Schapelle Corby

This is a really disturbing case, which I will admit, really distresses me. It is explained by a new vid released and put out for free distribution this week. I have uploaded it here:
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The bottom line is that Schapelle is imprisoned for 20 YEARS in Indonesia, on the basis of one of the most harrowing show trials of modern times. The video explains the background, detailing some of the many human rights abuses she has suffered, for a crime she did not commit.

She is still there today, years later, forgotten, with so many years still to serve in the living hell of an Indonesian prison hell. And they have continued to hurt her: blocking remission, and so on.

I guess what I am saying is that she could hardly be more desperate. She needs as many people as poss to help her. Please:
- do something form the list on the site some guy set up Help Schapelle Corby
- vote or comment on the YouTube vid: YouTube - THE SCHAPELLE CORBY NIGHTMARE
- tell the world about this: send the links out, get more people aware

Anything you think might help (the above are just ideas from a guy on the other side the world).

A clear victim of the 'war on drugs'. How many more?

spam, corby flavoured spam.

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Originally Posted by sarah louise

spam, corby flavoured spam.

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Are you serious? What sort of person are you?

This forum is headed 'Activism'. It is on cannabis.com. Shapelle Corby is a serious victim of the 'war on drugs' in anyone's language. It is a post in absolutely the right place. Remind me again why you are viewing posts on this website under the heading 'Activism'?

People like you should be put in a cell like hers for a day, to learn some humility. It beggers belief: this woman is likely to die there, yet you spitefully say 'spam'. Compassionless and soul-less: and brainwashed by the Aussie media.

Steve, you can't come in here and hurl insults at other members like you did at the end of your post. To be honest, I thought this was borderline spam too as it was your first post and it looked to be a "form" post that was almost trying to help get donations for SC. Just about any post with links to other sites can be considered spam so please try to follow forum rules (available for viewing in the lounge, feedback, and several other sections) while helping this girl out. I know there's a big debate on her role in this (victim or knew what she was doing) but either way the sentence is way too harsh and I'm sure many want to help her and some need to hear about the story but you also need to follow forum rules.

Also, someone already started a thread on this and I've been trying to figure out whether to keep yours which is borderline spam or to merge it with the other thread that was started first. I'm not sure if this falls under activism when it is just one person.

unfortunately steve you lost me when you "spitefully" suggested that the member who made the comment should be locked away in a cell as well.....while at the same time saying how horrible the place is and how "you" are fighting to get someone OUT of that inhuman situation. But somehow it's ok for someone who's rude about your post....THEY should be there, right?

Hmmmm

I said spitefully simply because I cannot get my head around why anyone would post a message like that, in response to my original, which was simply trying to get support for someone in truly desperate need. I could not see a motive at all.

And it's not just one person of course. I just came across the video, so there are obviously many others just as upset as I am, and rightly so. I just posted pointing out the new video.

I'm not confrontational, but I posted in the correct forum, on something appropriate and very disturbing, and the first response I got was one telling me I was a spammer! Would you not be a trifle piffed?

Anyhow... I don't want to tangent the real issue... which is helping this poor woman.

There are a lot of people in Aus who don't need to depend on the news reports and vids online to form an educated opinion on the nature of Ms Corby's character.

And as to what sort of a person I am, well I'm the 'once burnt, twice shy' variety of person and as far as I can tell, Schapelle is a victim of her own greed, narcissism and blind stupidity. And possibly a victim of her family as well.

If your post wasn't Corby spam and you're really a dude who just found this stuff on the net, please don't send the family any money.

sara lou :hippy:

As I already said in this thread on the subject.
http://boards.cannabis.com/legal/160...-yrs-weed.html

Can't do the time then don't do the crime.
Some countries have extreme sentences and that's why I wouldn't dream of breaking thier laws .
You go into another mans yard then you accept his rules or pay the price.

PS you may want to adjust your attitude if you want to win folks over. :thumbsup:

No amount of attitude adjustment will change my mind however , I don't believe she did it out of any wish for better cannabis laws but simply for financial gain.
This is no idealist fighting the man , just some greedy smuggler.

I have been following this case for a long long time, I have also donated to her legal fees. Whether it was stupidiity, a setup or anything of that likeness noone deserves to be thrown into some shithole country and its shithole judicial system. Im sure you have seen the signs some of those animals had at her trial (Kill Corby, Death Sentence for corby!) Now im sure this isint the general opinion of all indonesians, she should at the least be doing her time back in australia. It also seems Corby has more US supporters these days then Aussie ones, looks like the "Tabloid" press is even worse over there. There have been so many erroneus and bullshit stories pulled out by the australian media you dont know what is bullshit and what is truth. I stand behind the Original poster and your support for mis corby. I will continue to donate to legal fees and support her.

Schapelle's only risk of dying in Bali will be dying from self pity. She has a lot to be sorry for though, she would have done 10 years after her sentence was lightened to 15 (with remission bonuses for xmas, birthdays and good behaviour) but stupidity has already blown it back out to 20 years. If people want to give money to couriers who get snatched, there are other Australian's actually facing the death penalty in Indonesia.

ps Her trip of a life time back in 2004 was the 6th time she had visited Bali. She wasn't a noob.

Last point - The Balinese are Hindus rather than Muslims and the drug trade exists solely to service the Australian (and other) tourists who go there for cheap holidays.

Ganja is alien to the local culture, the local psychedelic is a fungus that goes nice with eggs.

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Originally Posted by sarah louise

Schapelle's only risk of dying in Bali will be dying from self pity. She has a lot to be sorry for though, she would have done 10 years after her sentence was lightened to 15 (with remission bonuses for xmas, birthdays and good behaviour) but stupidity has already blown it back out to 20 years. If people want to give money to couriers who get snatched, there are other Australian's actually facing the death penalty in Indonesia.

ps Her trip of a life time back in 2004 was the 6th time she had visited Bali. She wasn't a noob.

Last point - The Balinese are Hindus rather than Muslims and the drug trade exists solely to service the Australian (and other) tourists who go there for cheap holidays.

Ganja is alien to the local culture, the local psychedelic is a fungus that goes nice with eggs.

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All the things you have said I already know, thanks for the info though. Dosent her sister LIVE in bali and married to a bali citizen?? One thing im curious about, was her sister married to the man from Bali before or after she was caught?? So the 6 times im sure were to visit her sister who lived there right? I understand there are many people locked up in those type's of situations. I guess the whole HBO documentary thing really hit on a lot of emotions of people over here. The asshole that I personally think ruined it is that Used car salesmen(maybe TV salesman I cant think of it off hand) over in Australia, when he went public about the bribe money... im sure shit would have gone a lot better if he dident open his mouth. I understand being an Aussie yourself you are probably sick of hearing about the whole thing and tired of seeing her whine and moan on TV. However I could not imagine what the girl is going through. There was no fingerprint evidence on the bag, hell it could have been her brother or somthing that switched the bag. The bottomline is the judicial system is fucked up over there. Anyone whether they be australian, indonesian etc etc in my opinion deserves a fair trial and all evidence investigated to the fullest. I guess im sounding like the normal american wanting to push his views of freedom on other countries, but in this case its straight F'ed up, 20 years with no fingerprints... Bottom line to me is she was NOT given a fair trial, all the evidence was touched by 10 million cops there was evidence MISSING (bali cops prolly were grabbing handfulls for themselves to sell, the corrupt pieces of shit). I have even written our Australian embassy in washington and received a very positive letter in return. I'll stand behind Mis Corby until she receives a fair trial (impossible in indonesia), so I guess my monthly donations via paypal will be for the long haul!

Rob... I suspect you are wasting your time, as I am, with some of these people.

I see a woman in a hell hole for a barbaric 20 YEARS for a dope offence. I see her pain and suffering. It hurts.

I see a show trial: refusing to test the dope, burning it, and the rest.

I see the media smearing her family with often ludicrous stories, again and again and again. Drip drip drip brainwashing of a population.

I see a government doing nothing to help a citizen who has had her legal and human rights walked all over, both during the trial and after.


Some people are perfectly happy with this. They have no empathy with her suffering, and no compassion at all.

I am eternally grateful that I am not like that.

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Originally Posted by SteveV

Rob... I suspect you are wasting your time, as I am, with some of these people.

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Just as I would be wasting my time debunking any more of your bullshit or responding to your moralising.

We each base our opinions on a set of experiences. Yours have lead you to believe Ms Corby is a helpless victim of circumstances beyond her control.

Mine lead me to believe that so long as she is in Bali and the family is busy scamming dollars online, Australia is a better place :thumbsup:

Salamat Siang

Sara Lou

This is a good example of what has gone on. Here we have yet more totally and utterly unsubstantiated smears against her family.

No: I am being FAR too generous. It is a fact that the donation account is legally audited by a third party. I checked that personally before contributing myself.

So here we have false allegations of corruption against a family in desperate need of help. Ignoring the moral dimension, it is probably illegal. Frankly, if I were the family I would now be seeking the identity of the person above and taking appropriate legal action.

The mods might want to consider the above post, with respect to the forum being used as a platform for such an act. They also wish to consider the motive. Come on guys.

It is such a good example of all that is depressing that I took a screenshot of the page for my records here in England (indeed: I am not connected at with the family/etc in any way). Very very sad.

And meanwhile, the worst part of all... Shapelle continues to suffer in that squalid cell.

See how the focus has been re-directed here from the real issues? A splendid case in point. :(

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Originally Posted by SteveV

And meanwhile, the worst part of all... Shapelle continues to suffer in that squalid cell.

See how the focus has been re-directed here from the real issues? A splendid case in point. :(

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The real issue is.

Do you believe in her innocence ? I don't

I know the penalty for smuggling in Europe because many years ago I got caught doing just that, I know the comparative sentence would be much higher in other countries but it would still be my choice to attempt it.
You go pulling on the tigers tail then sooner or later you're going to get bitten. :D

No: it isn't as simple as that. Nothing like.

The real issue is should she be spending 20 YEARS in an Indonesian prison cell. No. That is absolutely grotesque, and disproportionate, whether she did it or not.

I don't think she did it for one second. But regardless, another massive issue: the nature of the show trial. A complete and utter breach of legal and human rights. Incredible.

Then everything that as followed, from the constant smears on her family, to the use of a sedated/drugged Schapelle Corby even this week for Indonesian photographic propaganda.

Simplifying it hides a raft or evils, which would have raised eyebrows even in the middle ages.

Here's a thought, how about you quit bashing everyone who doesn't believe what you believe huh?...

Indonesia is a very different place than the UK or the US...people don't have the same rights there as they do here...

Let it go...you already got yelled at once

Sorry, but where am I bashing anyone? I am not: I simply state my opinion (and this is a forum, you know). Please read my words.

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Originally Posted by SteveV

Frankly, if I were the family I would now be seeking the identity of the person above and taking appropriate legal action

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Right there, you were implying that, if you were the family, you would be inclined to take legal action against Sarah Louise's words for her stating that she doesn't believe what you believe...

Why are you so wrapped up in this when there's mass genocide going on in Sierra Lione and other African countries? Do you think that's fair? Do you want to rant about how the murderers are killing the residents of diamond mines and then selling the stolen "blood diamonds" on the open market?...

Buddy you just gotta chill out...

That is clearly not 'bashing' anyone. It is simply stating what I would do if I were in someone else's shoes, as in normal conversation. That is all. I would defend myself against libel and slander, which is basically what I said.

There is absolutelty nothing wrong with stating that, here or anywhere else.

BTW: This is a cannabis forum, not one on Sierra Lione/etc.

Thank you, I'm quite aware of that

I'm going to bid you Au revoir

I have no more interest to try and calm you down

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Originally Posted by SteveV

No: it isn't as simple as that. Nothing like.

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We will have to agree to disagree on this one, I do believe it to be simply a question of guilt and motive.
I believe she is guilty and her motives were financial.

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Originally Posted by SteveV

The real issue is should she be spending 20 YEARS in an Indonesian prison cell. No. That is absolutely grotesque, and disproportionate, whether she did it or not..

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Neither you nor I have any right to tell another country what laws they may have nor what penalties to levy if someone breaks those laws.
We can disagree with them all we want.

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I don't think she did it for one second. But regardless, another massive issue: the nature of the show trial. A complete and utter breach of legal and human rights. Incredible..

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Who decides what those rights should be ?
What right do we have to impose our beliefs on another ?
You presume to believe that a visitor should be afforded priveliges not given to residents, why should that be ? Just because you believe it ?

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Then everything that as followed, from the constant smears on her family, to the use of a sedated/drugged Schapelle Corby even this week for Indonesian photographic propaganda..

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Please provide evidence that this is the case , media reports do not constitute evidence unless you can prove there is no bias. :D

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Simplifying it hides a raft or evils, which would have raised eyebrows even in the middle ages.

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You really need to read up on what was happening in the Middle ages, violence was a way to power and fueds were commonplace, war was widespread and the atrocities carried out make most modern wars look positively tame in comparison.

Even biological warfare dates from the 14th century.

CDC - Biological Warfare at the 1346 Siege of Caffa

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I STILL THINK SHE'S GUILTY
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There is no point. How can I debate with someone who thinks it's ok to jail someone for 20 YEARS, for a dope offence, on the basis of a show trial which breaches the victim's legal and human rights every day? Simply, apparently, because of their 'beliefs'?

It's a ludicrous argument and it justifies nothing. What about Hitler's beliefs? EXACTLY the same argument could be used for non-intervention there, because we imposed our 'beliefs' on him.

I personally find 'beliefs' that are used to systematically abuse people and strip them of their human rights obscene. I genuinely cannot believe there are opinions out there to the opposite. But there are. :(

NO !
Not the Hitler card .. :D
Lame ,very very lame.

LOL argumentum ad Nazium already?

Surely you have more than that Steve?

You complain about lack of substantiation, well what about the video?

Even the most basic work of fiction must have some internal consistency.

Supposedly, interstate drug runners operating out of airport baggage handling facilities in Australia stashed 4.2 kg of ganja in a bogie board bag and forgot to collect it meaning that it ended up in Indonesia, just at the same time the Indonesian government is looking for a high profile drug case in catch a fortune in external drug-war funding.

And it's true because you saw it on the internet. Really?

I stand by my first statement, spam, Corby flavoured spam.

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LOL argumentum ad Nazium already?

Surely you have more than that Steve?

You complain about lack of substantiation, well what about the video?

Even the most basic work of fiction must have some internal consistency.

Supposedly, interstate drug runners operating out of airport baggage handling facilities in Australia stashed 4.2 kg of ganja in a bogie board bag and forgot to collect it meaning that it ended up in Indonesia, just at the same time the Indonesian government is looking for a high profile drug case in catch a fortune in external drug-war funding.

And it's true because you saw it on the internet. Really?

I stand by my first statement, spam, Corby flavoured spam.

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Yeah but my Ghengis Khan pisses allover his Hitler . :D

The Australian government will confirm that Schapelle Corby made a formal request to have the drugs tested. Ask your rep there. Facts always trump baseless smears.

I am also retaining the screenshots of your earlier libel in case it is required by anyone for legal action against you.


Campaigning against someone suffering in a hell hole for 20 years eh? I wonder exactly what motivates that?

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Originally Posted by SteveV

The Australian government will confirm that Schapelle Corby made a formal request to have the drugs tested. Ask your rep there. Facts always trump baseless smears.

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You have that a little arse about - the Australian Federal Police offered to undertake forensic testing on Schapelle Corby's luggage, the offered was rejected because any evidence would have also been made available to the Indonesia prosecution as well. That is a matter of public record.

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I am also retaining the screenshots of your earlier libel in case it is required by anyone for legal action against you.

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ROFL thanks for that :thumbsup:

I think it is pretty pathetic to try and silence an opposing opinion by raising the spectre of legal action (oooooooooooooooooooh so scared now). Are you capable of reconciling the bizarre contradictions in the Corby story without making threats or moral judgements?

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Campaigning against someone suffering in a hell hole for 20 years eh? I wonder exactly what motivates that?

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I have no idea of what motivates you Steve, but by the anger, indignation and venom of your responses, I expect it isn't anything based in logic or rationality.

Maybe your the sort of person who needs to have a cause? Maybe you feel unfulfilled in your own life and need something to get your adrenalin pumping?
Maybe you have fallen in love with a sad eyed picture and a theme song?

I don't know and I don't much care, I just wish you would either come up with something rational or stop spreading this garbage.

My thoughts might not be to your liking Steve, but they aren't defamatory so you can save cluttering up your hdd with any more screen shots.

sara lou :hippy:

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the Australian Federal Police offered to undertake forensic testing on Schapelle Corby's luggage, the offered was rejected because any evidence would have also been made available to the Indonesia prosecution as well. That is a matter of public record.

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Please do not LIE again. I have a copy of the document on my PC, from the Australian Consulate General in Bali. It is a file note dated December 3 2004. It is a public document, so you can request it for yourself. It makes it 100% clear that Schapelle requested the tests. Yet still people make up lies.

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I think it is pretty pathetic to try and silence an opposing opinion by raising the spectre of legal action

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Even ignoring what libel says about you as a person, you cannot libel people with malicious lies as you have done. It is illegal, and subject to legal action. Legal action is a remedy to deal with liars. That is all it is.

If you don't lie: no possibility of legal action. It is that simple.

I will retain the records.

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I have no idea of what motivates you Steve...

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I am motivated because someone is suffering horribly and unjustly. That is a pretty positive human emotion.

What motivates someone to come back again and again and again to try to argue for that terrible suffering to continue though? What motivates someone to even put themselves in danger of legal action for libel by doing it?

Enough said...

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Please do not LIE again. I have a copy of the document on my PC, from the Australian Consulate General in Bali. It is a file note dated December 3 2004. It is a public document, so you can request it for yourself. It makes it 100% clear that Schapelle requested the tests. Yet still people make up lies.

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Statements without evidence does not make the statements true or false. It simply makes them statements. You are trying to enforce your statement as fact without any evidence to back it. You have a copy of the document on your pc from the Australian Consulate but you choose not to share it with us.

One could only assume that if you are admitting this and not sharing it that you are with holding information for your own agenda, whatever that may be. Or you could genuinely have the document and everyone could be wrong.

You come off as defensive and kind of abrasive. So people will probably think the former about you and your posts and you must realize that given the circumstances it's not unreasonable for them to do so.

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Even ignoring what libel says about you as a person, you cannot libel people with malicious lies as you have done. It is illegal, and subject to legal action. Legal action is a remedy to deal with liars. That is all it is.

If you don't lie: no possibility of legal action. It is that simple.

I will retain the records.

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Libel? Please show me where defamation occurred here? You are trying to enforce your own ethics on other people. People are allowed to say and think what they wish. This is called an opinion.

Also legal action? This is an internet forum, how pleased do you think the court will be to hear that the case before them is a trial over libel on an internet forum. Do you honestly think that any prosecution would take on that case?

You keep calling people liars, honestly you're the only one who keeps claiming to know all this inside information but yet to provide any of it. You honestly sound as if you're unhinged.

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I am motivated because someone is suffering horribly and unjustly. That is a pretty positive human emotion.

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Unjustly? She was smuggling Marijuana. Do you think that this is what cannabis activists stand for? There is a fairly large reason why people grow instead of buy. Some of it has to do with the fact that we do not want to support drug dealers and smuggling of drugs into our country. If we don't condone it here do you think we would condone it happening to an austrailian in Indonesia?

There is a difference between suffering unjustly and suffering because you did something highly illegal (international trafficking). Face it, she broke the law and is getting punished for it. Even here in the states that have decriminalized Marijuana you can only carry about an ounce or so on you at a time. She had 9 lbs on her. That was not personal stash, she was obviously transporting it somewhere.

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What motivates someone to come back again and again and again to try to argue for that terrible suffering to continue though? What motivates someone to even put themselves in danger of legal action for libel by doing it?

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I've had my trap closed for this entire discussion but I can't hold it in anymore. You are naive, you don't understand the type of damage people like Schappelle Corby do to our cause. If people are getting busted for illegal smuggling in countries outside their own.. don't you think that just gives people more ammunition to come down harder on Marijuana or stop the progress we're beginning to make?

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Enough said...

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Honestly you said enough a while ago. Your last few posts have just been rants and raves.

In case I did not make myself clear. I do not support Corby. Corby is counterproductive to our cause. It's one thing to stand up for cannabis rights but it's another thing to blindly rush into battle over something simply because it's related to cannabis.

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The Australian government will confirm that Schapelle Corby made a formal request to have the drugs tested. Ask your rep there. Facts always trump baseless smears.

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So you believe you are privy to all the facts .
Baseless smears you say , proven accusations say I.
The fact that the Australian goverment has washed thier hands of it should tell you all you need to know.

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I am also retaining the screenshots of your earlier libel in case it is required by anyone for legal action against you.

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That is just so pathetic , you cannot defame someone who is GUILTY !

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Campaigning against someone suffering in a hell hole for 20 years eh? I wonder exactly what motivates that?

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Nobody is campaigning against your poor little smuggler they are simply sharing thier opinions on the case , you are the only one getting thier knickers in a twist.

BTW accusing someone of being a liar is defamation so maybe you should think nefore you start making threats to others or you may find your own head on the block.

This is my final word on this and I will no longer feed the troll.

1. So where do you want me to upload the scan of the official document (the file note dated December 3 2004) to? I have the JPG here, ready.

2. Cannot defame anyone who is guilty? Please bother to keep track of the posts before making statements like that. This statement libel "the family is busy scamming dollars online".

Unless she can prove that, which she can't (because the accounts are audited), she has libelled the Corby family. If I was them I would identify her and sue her for that lie.


Campiagning is posting again and again and again to argue she should be left in that cell 20 years. THAT is campaigning, and it is ugly.

Oh enough with the slander and libel accusations. You have so much to prove such as malicious intent and trying to present things as fact when they are clearly false and that opinions formed and stated are so far from the truth that only someone who was out to defame an individual could come up with these opinions from the facts. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make it libel or slander and since she has been convicted of a crime, all of these opinions are possible. In the latest accusation of slander/libel, it seems reasonable for someone to view a convicted criminal with a website asking for money as having less than noble motives.

In short Steve, the people you are accusing of slander and libel are forming reasonable opinions based on the facts and that's not illegal. If for some reason a jury found the statements to be slander/libel (meaning that jury was also insane) what kind of award are they going to give for this? What damages have been caused by a handful of people talking about it on an internet forum? Oh, wait did you see that news report? The Bali government has been reading this website and because many more people from the internet think she is guilty, they have added 5 years to her sentence. :rolleyes:

No one is defaming her and no one is causing any damages to her. Please stay on topic and argue about Corby and the Bali government or legal system, not about each other and about slander and libel.

I wish they did fingerprint the bad or whatever it was but do you know how often this is done in any country? Not very often. I'm not sure proving which country the pot was grown in would have made a huge difference but yeah I would have liked to have seen the bag dusted.

You DO have to wonder where the sense of entitlement came from with Steve here.

He's right.....everyone else is not only wrong but deserves to be in a cell or some other "inhuman" thing because they don't agree with him.

Steve you've been called out by several very intelligent people here with very good, rational arguments and statements. Yours, on the other hand, are neither.

You arent getting very far here because your bitterness, hositility and dislike for people squeezes through all the cracks in your careful dissertation. Nobody wants anything to do with with hostile, bitter, raging folks whose judgment is obviously in question. If your thinking is twisted there....which it is.....then no one is going to trust your judgement in regards to other things as well.

Which they don't.

I too am finished here.

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Oh enough with the slander and libel accusations.

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Whether you like it or not this statement is libelous "the family is busy scamming dollars online". Ask someone who knows ANYTHING about the law if you don't believe me.

It is libel against that family, because they are not scamming dollars online: to make that statement legally you would have to prove they were.

A responsible forum should not allow the forum to be used for libel. In doing so you are exposing the forum itself to some risk.

Sure, you can abuse me again for saying that, but maybe you should instead ask some third party with at least a little exposure to law.

All I am doing is telling you the truth. You seem to be dodging it.


Finally, yes, I DO dislike people who are compassionless. I feel real pity for Schapelle Corby: she doesn't deserve 20 years in a hell hole. I find it hard to relate, at all, to those who seem to relish her pain and suffering.

Thanks, FBR I was dawdling over a response, but you have made most of it unnecessary.

There are a couple of things I want to point out about the video, one of the claims was that the trial was a 'show trial'. The premise seems to be the fact that Indonesia has an inquisitional judicial system rather than an oppositional one. I think it is a bit of a stretch to suggest that this breaches her human rights.

And the suggestion that she is also a victim of an international conspiracy to do with funding some war on drugs? How am I supposed to swallow that? I might have been able to accept the baggage handlers bit (but I doubt they'd be that sloppy and forget 4.2 kg). Unfortunately these rather Byzantine machinations don't bear any relationship to the political reality of Indonesia.

In comparison with other sentences under the same regime, she didn't get anything extraordinary. What most people don't realise when they see the video is that time is measured very differently in Indonesia to the way time is measured in the west. Waktu karet or "rubber time" governs all things Indonesian and it troubles me that the video implies that the Indonesian government really want to keep her for a full 20 years.

Each year, prisoners who behave can expect to get a month off their sentence for events such as independence day, birthdays and religious holidays specific to the religion of the prisoner. This, combined with the 5 year reduction Ms Corby won at appeal, brought me to my earlier estimate of 10 years.

It appears they are prepared to say anything that will increase the likelihood of garnering sympathy regardless of the truth.

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Campiagning is posting again and again and again to argue she should be left in that cell 20 years. THAT is campaigning, and it is ugly.

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I'm sure that's not what you meant to say, anyway I'd call it fund-raising rather than campaigning and my motivation to engage with you is pretty simple really...

I don't like it when people piss down my back and try and tell me it's raining.

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Originally Posted by SteveV

It is libel against that family, because they are not scamming dollars online: to make that statement legally you would have to prove they were.

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You seriously don't understand Australian defamation laws.

Unless you can come up with something new, I'm putting this to bed.

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Originally Posted by SteveV

Whether you like it or not this statement is libelous "the family is busy scamming dollars online". Ask someone who knows ANYTHING about the law if you don't believe me.

It is libel against that family, because they are not scamming dollars online: to make that statement legally you would have to prove they were.

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I'm not a lawyer but this is basic law here in America. People's opinions if reasonable and not malicious are not defamation. She's been convicted of a crime and with as many online scams from "Send us your banking information" to "if you give me $25,000 for expenses we can access this $7.3 million tied up in this bank in another country" to people milking the government for charity after national disasters to people robbing charities it is plausible that may be a possibility.

Under Steve's definiton of libel/slander, Jay Leno, David Letterman, and Conan O'Brian are all guilty as hell after their opening monologues. Do you know who they are SteveV (asking that based on your flag). While you're at it, go check out What would Tyler Durden Do dot com and see what he says about celebrities and isn't being sued left and right. All the 9/11 consipracy believers and people who write about it would be guilty of libel or slander since there is nothing proving this as fact yet they love to go on and on about it.

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Originally Posted by SteveV

A responsible forum should not allow the forum to be used for libel. In doing so you are exposing the forum itself to some risk.

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Again, I'm not a lawyer but I'm sure the forum isn't being used to spread libel or exposing itself to risk. Maybe I'll post a video on youtube and a website for donation for the save canncom from the Cobry libel lawsuits.

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Originally Posted by SteveV

Sure, you can abuse me again for saying that, but maybe you should instead ask some third party with at least a little exposure to law.

All I am doing is telling you the truth. You seem to be dodging it.

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Oh, stop with the big huge pity party you're having about being attacked and abused. I've been watching this thread as well as other mods and while this is obviously a hot button topic, everyone has been relatively civil. No one is dodging the truth either; they are facing it head on.