Foxysox rocks the cinderblocks

Yeah... it's in the basement. :D

A'ight... new log time. It's been a while! Lots of changes since last time around, and I've gone over to flood n drain since then. And bought an EC meter. Finally.

Strains that I am flowering out seriously, after going through almost 50 of them trying to choose, are these:

Motarebel's Toxic Lemon via RushMan seeds- Heavy yield of silvery-lavender buds that REEK of spiced citrus.

BlueJay x BOG Bogglegum from KD in Toronto- This one is a winner, and gives some of the most amazing product I've smoked. It smells like fresh wild blueberries on the plant, and cures spicy. The appearance of finished buds is silver, and the BlueJay parent gives commercial-level yields and vigor.

Yeag's Kenai MTF #4- Sourced from an older dude in Soldonta AK. Deep plum purple, very dense, chocolatey, and with an amazingly drawn-out high experience. Yield is average, but she tolerates cool temps better than her buddies, and I live in NE and it's often COLD in the cellar.

Massachusetts Super Skunk- This cut has been passed around New England since back in the day, and there's a good reason- It's delicious, hardy, never herms, balanced, and just generally a very high quality strain.

Afghani Dream- This is another High-yielding, high-end product that is a darling of the local oldsters.

Plan B Black Indica- Mmmmmm DRIPPINGLY spicy. Looks stellar too.

IR Seeds Daddy's Girl- A great sativa-based plant that gives some of the best product I've ever seen, period.

Shown are mothers, the next generation of fine ass ladies, and the contents of the flower room as of last week.

It's not sealed, but it's still appropriate for a space with crappy ventilation and no reasonable way to introduce fresh air without running meeeelions and meeeeelions of miles of ducting!

So here's a couple pics of a space I just slapped together for a large PU sized grow, that WILL produce excess.
Total watts including all air handling and cooling systems run right around 3200w with both k's running, but the same system is also configured to run a single k and the usage would drop down to about 2000w (cooling is more difficult with both big HIDs going).
Total length of all duct used is less than 2 feet!
The duct is STRAIGHT and unobstructed.

Air moves OUT of the bloom chamber and INTO the lung room in this manner:
-It enters the air handling system at the far light, which is an air-coolable hood with one end left open.
-It passes across the far bulb, through about 4" of duct, through the near hood, andthrough about 18" of duct which goes through the wall.
-It passes through a 6" HO blower that does ~250cfm
-It exits into the lung room through a 6" OdorSok.

Air moves INTO the bloom room via a 6" hole cut LOW in the bloom room wall, with a 9,000 btu portable a/c right in front of it for pre-cooling.

CO2 is introduced into the bloom room via a tank and timer-enabled regulator that has a solenoid set to seep for 15 min every 2h when the bloom room is in 'day' mode.

The main blower out of the bloom room only operates during 'day'. There is an oscillating fan that operates constantly. Temperature swings do nto appear to be a problem, so I am not concerned with dewfall.

Also in the bloom room is a supplemental 24" T5 fixture that I can plug into the dedicated HPS circuit when I have to kill the big HIDs- in times of extreme high temps, and when I've applied Gravity.

The flower area is 6x6x6 and contains 2- 2x4 flood tables on independent 25gal reservoirs. One table is run at EC1.6, and the other at EC1.2. Plants are individually potted in hydroton in 6" square deep style pots, which may be moved from one tray to the other depending upon life stage of the plant. This allows multiple strains to be run concurrently, with young, finishing, or fert-burned plants moved into the weak nute side and fattening, ripening plants on the side with the stronger solution.

Bloom Blasters are given in the 'strong' side via the res, and other supplements are given only as a foliar.
Carbs are given on both sides.

Nutes are:
Canna Aqua a+b
Canna Boost
Grotek Bloom Plus

Supplements are:
Sweet
Gravity
SnowStorm/PurpleMaxx

Source water is tap at EC ~0.2. It is city water, and comes in at correct hardness. No CalMag is added, but the pH is monitored and kept at 5.9-6.1.

Both HIDs run on the same dedicated 20a breaker, on a mechanical time clock rated to 40a, but each on its own #12 extension cord rated to 20a.

There is a fire extinguisher at each entrance to the space.

The mothers are in the lung room under 400w MH 'hortilux blue'. There are several small oscillating fans in there.

Temps stay pretty stable; cooling is both active (with a/c) and passive (blowing air across a large expanse of masonry that stays very cool and has quite a bit of thermal mass to dampen swings).

Managed correctly, this grow suite is capable of about 2 pounds a month. I don't really push it for yield at the moment though. I'm feeling it out still.

Here's a couple views of the technical end of the space.
Note in the plant pic you can see the characteristic pattern of damage from an atmospheric CO2 deficit, which prompted me to turn to tanked CO2 enrichment to fix it. The plants (mothers of 28 different strains and crosses) are recovering nicely.

Looks like a busy, busy grow log coming up!

Go Sox!

wink wink nudge nudge... any similarities are strictly coincidental of course...

Riiiiiiiiight gotcha....:wtf:

Anyways, Stinky, did you get that question about the EC levels last time?

Oh yeah- some of us are lucky and have tap water that runs at about the correct hardness and mineral content for cannabis- then of course you add your base fertilizer to bring it up to the proper EC for that stage in the plant's life. I would not start out with anything over about 200-250 ppm in a hydro system; if your tap water is that hard, try cutting it with RO or distilled so that you end up with a source water at or below 200, before adding base nutes. Or run strictly RO with calmag up to 200-300 ppm.

That's pretty tight thanks,

I feel like I'm pulling away from this thread with this question but what is the connection between, say, an EC reading of .2 and 200 - 250 ppms?...

What I'm getting at is does the read of ".2" electrical conductivity MEAN that you can dissolve 200 - 250 parts per million?

you can totally delete these posts if you want later

Give more space!
I have to be satisfied with 2 square meters for flower and clones.

This one I will follow for sure, its exactly something like this I would set up if I had the space. Maybe some day I will have.

EC is just a straight measure of the ability of electric current to travel a specific distance through an aqueous solution.
The relationship between EC and ppm is a measure of the ppm of a common chemical, NaCl or table salt, that gives that conductivity. There is a conversion factor that I can't recall. lol.
Rhizome? Bueller? Anyone? :D

The footprint of the bloom area is 6x6, or 36sqft. I think it is a really easy size room to work in.
2000w of HPS from a pair of ks at about 140,000 lumens each (when new), ehhh let's see that is almost 8,000 lumens per square foot.
Yeah. Works for me. ;)

Hey FS LOVE the new log! Subscribed. :)

Oh, I forgot to link to the last one lol... things have changed up in hurrrrr since then but I'm still the same nerd I've always been :(

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...ck-game-p.html

Great read foxy! Good details, explanations, and a kinda familiar strain list ya got there:jointsmile:
subscribed!
whiskeytango

given the list, how many do you wanna flower? I couldn't begin to recommend one or two from a list such as that...lol, need any help? i can sleep on a cot in that mum room

Nope, you can't. I won't let you- there's 2 no-pest strips in there. No es bueno para sleeping near!!!

Those are the ones I'm going to be flowering primarily, and I'll just monitor each plant for signs of hunger/burn and put it in the table whose res is closest to what it needs. Perfect? HELL no. The 'right way' to grow? Um, that would be a negative, Houston! But it's the closest I'm going to get to my dream of Ultimate Variety! :D

Or I could just fill the table with Nirvana Standard Papaya and start pulling down weight.

Let me think about that for a minute....

Naaaaaah!

Variety over quantity...I agree, 2 :greenthumb: up!
whiskeytango

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No es bueno para sleeping near

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I love speaking spanglish

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Or I could just fill the table with Nirvana Standard Papaya and start pulling down weight.

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I had a Nirvana Papaya plant once....prettest damn male in the world...:(...and he was only 3 weeks old when he died. I cried.

I had transplanted something ...needlessly...:stoned:

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I had a Nirvana Papaya plant once....prettest damn male in the world...:(...and he was only 3 weeks old when he died. I cried.

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That male got bitch owned :D :D :D :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

An EC of 1.0 ms will be produced by 700ppm NaCl.

So if you're measuring anything but un-iodized table salt, a ppm is at best a relative measurement.

EC will also sometimes be expressed in CF ( Conductivity Factor) which is EC in ms x 10. Apparantly this decimal position is preferable for marketing purposes.:wtf:

Also, watch out- some ppm meters will express in relative concentrations of MgCl2, which will give a reading of 500ppm @ an EC of 1.0.

Ppm is a really crappy standard of measurement.

This morning I topped up my res with tap water, which brought it from 1.3 to 0.8 lol... It needed a little juice I guess... then added Canna Aqua a+b to 1.6 and a squirt each of Boost and Sweet. I'll check the pH when I get around to it. Canna and my tap water react nicely and don't need much attention.

I also got some rooted clones potted up for the next round, because this crop is coming down pretty soon.

I ran out of CO2 and will be dealing with that when I get a chance. Also, the circuit that the pump and a/c are on seems to have been unplugged- I had an electrician working at the spot over the weekend- but I got that sorted out without any losses.

Some pics of what's going on in Foxy's house of plant torture...

Here's a technique for putting clones in rapidrooters into a hydroton medium without wrecking the exposed roots.
-Fill bucket with water
-Fill pot with hydroton
-Sink pot into bucket until hydroton floats
-Protect roots and plunge plug into pot
-Support plant at the height you want and lift the whole thing out of the water
The HT will settle gently around the roots and you are good to go.

Rhizome, thanks for the explanation of EC.

You can see mite damage on these plants if you look carefully, but they are going to finish up nicely. Notice that they did not bulk out and become a continuous SOG in these pots? I think that next time I will be running 4" deep squares instead of 6" deep squares, to try and fill the table more evenly. A couple of the strains I'm testing are nice and fat, and DID fill out, but it's time to crowd them a little closer I think.

mmmm delectable as usual:greenthumb:
you do great work foxy
whiskeytango

WHOAH!

First Picture = HOLY S*** S..O..G...

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Originally Posted by foxysox

Here's a technique for putting clones in rapidrooters into a hydroton medium without wrecking the exposed roots.
-Fill bucket with water
-Fill pot with hydroton
-Sink pot into bucket until hydroton floats
-Protect roots and plunge plug into pot
-Support plant at the height you want and lift the whole thing out of the water
The HT will settle gently around the roots and you are good to go.

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Neat trick ;)

lol yeah... I killed a few before whining to the local hydro shop guy about it. And *surprise!!!* he actually IS tech support on the shit he sells! You must be smarter than the Hydroton... lol... Beat that, Faceless Online Gear Vendor!

LOL...definitely a cool method...
whiskeytango

foxysox.. roxs!! nice log> looking good ... real good .... :stoned:


veggii....gives a 5 hippy rating !!
:hippy: :hippy: :hippy: :hippy: :hippy:

Wow... FIVE hippies can't ALL be wrong!
Wait... recumbent bikes aren't all that cool... or safe... or maneuverable... or visible to traffic without a goofy orange flag... yet I've seen at least five hippies riding them- wait, riding isn't the right term- help a sista out here- moseying along in them?- so far this week... :D

Thanks veggii!
I have still not gotten a freaking CO2 tank refill aaargh I'm so busy this week... I need more free time and fewer jobs :( And maybe a personal assistant?

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Thanks veggii!
I have still not gotten a freaking CO2 tank refill aaargh I'm so busy this week... I need more free time and fewer jobs :( And maybe a personal assistant?

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I could be this assistant U seek.:D

anyway very nice grow.girly.

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Thanks veggii!
I have still not gotten a freaking CO2 tank refill aaargh I'm so busy this week... I need more free time and fewer jobs :( And maybe a personal assistant?

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my offer still stands.....
whiskeytango

Very nice log you have started foxxy!!!!

I am a soil grower but I still love watching the hydro grows to see if there is anything to learn that I can apply to my grows.

I understand needing an assistant, I wish I had an apprentice at times when my real world job keeps me away from my babies.

JG

Hey foxy :giveflower:
so how's the gro going , you got your selections made yet? any pics
I could fill your P.A. job in a few months after healingup from my surgery.

:hippy: :hippy: :hippy: :hippy: :hippy:

Thanks fellas!
Not much going on. I'm putting the second small table and the second light online this weekend after the electrician gives me the okay on my wiring. Safety first lol!
Some plants o the first table are going to be ready to come down, too. They look really nice in terms of crystallization, but I am disappointed in terms of yield, and I think these are my issues:
-They were started in a big hurry and not hardened-off as well as they could have been
-I was running nute strength very low for the first 2-3 weeks and missed out on growth
-Temperatures are too low to take advantage of CO2 enrichment
-I have never changed the reservoir
Oddly, they look pretty good for plants on no res changes, lol! Gotta love how forgiving the Canna stuff is.
I will go see what is in there but I put a few Mass Super Skunk in HT yesterday and those are definitely going in, and I think also some Hindu Kush just ebcause it is such a nice plant. I was going to run a half dozen JillyBean, but an MS patient I know asked for a good plant and they will be PERFECT for her. So they went into promix instead.

I think that soil growers can learn a lot from hydro growers, and vis a versa. The plant talks, if you listen, and every style has its challenges, and you can see and learn to recognize symptoms that you might not see in your own garden by looking at someone else's!

Happy growing everyone!

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I think that soil growers can learn a lot from hydro growers, and vis a versa. The plant talks, if you listen, and every style has its challenges, and you can see and learn to recognize symptoms that you might not see in your own garden by looking at someone else's!

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That shit just brought a tear to my eye :jointsmile:

Imagine a world where soil and hydro growers can co-exist in harmonious herbage.... casting aside their differences to evolve and understand one another :hippy:

Nahh... won't happen. I don't want to be talkin' to nobuddy that gots "ponics" in their name. Hydro-ponics... Aero-ponics... Fog-ponics......
More like Bore-a-ponics ;) Haha jk
Sorry about that ^ :stoned:

Can't recall if I said this, but congrats on the "Daddy's Girl" recognition. Image, same to you if you trip and fall in here :thumbsup:
As per every time I read one of your threads... I am a little bit smarter. Thanks.

Choppytime!
1- first batch of SOG plants to come down
2- hanging to dry; light is to decrease %RH- you still need a fan!!
3- second batch to come down (other half of table, the longer-flowering plants)
4- second batch hanging in drier cooler fall weather
5- pile o' buds and ALL the leaf that came off them. Not much leaf from a SOG!

The dirt stuff is still going.
And me being so freaking busy JUST got around to draining and refilling the table, and the batch of clones meant to fill the second one just got earmarked for someone who needs them more than I, so I guess it's just back to choosing a few more retired dirt moms to sacrifice to the Production of Bud lol...
There is, however, a new set of 25 clones flowering in the freshly-filled first table. They have been in flower about 1-2 weeks and already the Mass Super Skunk, Space Queen, and Affies have taken off like rockets. Nothing else has happened or is interesting though, haha.

This is where hydro gets boring... lol!

Mmm...Quite nice....I wanna sleep in it...Make a nice ganj pillow.. My offer still stands, lol.
I am getting into SOG myself now.In 1 gal pots for flowering.Should I put the rooted clones in something else before the 1gal pots? Or is it ok to go from RR plug to one gal...I just dont want them to get rootbound in the one gal.Looking for like 14-18in plants at the end...Almost all the plants will be the HKxBI this go round. Maybe RR plug to 4in pot for a week ish...then to flower inthe one gals?
whiskeytango

Great stuff foxxy... Im speechless...I'm to scared to venture off to dro but I think its time...Getting tired of bagging up soil!

them's some badass buds, my compliments !! :thumbsup:

I agree with Reaper and the rest. NICE SET OF FLOWERS HANGING THERE!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Nice batch of herb, Sis! Great job.