Obama Removes American Flag from Campaign Plane

Barack Obama spared no expense remodeled his campaign plane. It now fits the Messiah's every need.

Using campaign contributions, Obama had four individual chairs that resemble Lazy-Boys installed into the front cabin of the Boeing 757. These chairs are made of plush leather with pockets on the sides. There is also a booth which seats four for a meeting or a meal or to practice his say nothing speeches.

So why does a candidate have to speed $500,000 to makeover an aircraft he will use for less than 90 days? This is clear example of extravagant spending. How will Obama cut government spending, when he can't stop wasting money in this fashion?

Another change Obama made to his campaign plane â?? He removed an American Flag from the tail section and replaced it with his own seal.

How insulting is this? What kind of American running for president of the United States would remove the symbol of our country and replace with a symbol of himself?

It was bad enough when he had to be forced to wear the American flag on his suit by his campaign staff. It was bad enough when he trash mouthed our country in his recent trip overseas. And it was really bad when he refused to visit with injured soldiers in Europe because he could not have a photo op. Now to remove our flag and put up his â??Oâ?? in its place?

This candidate with no resume is just bad for America. Heâ??s a tragedy waiting to happen if America is fooled and puts this anti-American in our White House.
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Replacing the flag with his own seal? Elitist, egomaniac....what more to be said about the savior?

Hope all the suckers that gave a contribution to his campaign are happy that he's so comfy cosy in his remodeled plane.

Had to do an edit....I forgot that he's running for the President of Germany. That explains the removal.:D

Have a good one!:s4:

Wait so... wheres this "news" that matters at? Im still looking and reading and I cant find it.

Just seems like a rant by some biased terribad website.

Besides, what does john mccains plane have?

1 more thing, big f'ing woop.

Growing up republican.....for once in my life I can't get a grip on voting for McCain. He gets a "F" in the drug war and Obama has already promised to stop FEDERAL RAIDS against medical marijuana users. So ...who in the hell do we vote for? Not much of a choice!

sigh.........

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Wait so... wheres this "news" that matters at? Im still looking and reading and I cant find it.

Just seems like a rant by some biased terribad website.

Besides, what does john mccains plane have?

1 more thing, big f'ing woop.

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This isn't a news forum. It's a politics forum where anything that may be related to politics are to be posted.

It seems to me, between this thread and the other thread where you try to make me out to be racist, that you're trolling for a fight. You might want to tone it back just a pinch.

And the article came from WOAI which is a News Station in San Antonio, Tx where Obama has some pretty signifigant support. You could've found this out if you clicked the link that P4B sourced for the article. :thumbsup:

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It seems to me, between this thread and the other thread where you try to make me out to be racist, that you're trolling for a fight. You might want to tone it back just a pinch.

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I don't think he was trying to paint you racist in the other thread, he was just making a comment about the topic of the thread. Being that this site is here for people to express their opinions, I don't really see any need to scold Grinkyle. Thats just me though.




At first p4b, I was about to say who cares if obama removed the flag from his plane, but now that I know he replaced it with his stupid little symbol, well that makes me angry. Obama's use of that symbol just makes me paranoid that the "change" obama is promising us American's is just a different brainwash program than before.

Just watching the daily news makes me feel uneasy about the election. On the one hand we have this white knight, obama, who is charismatic and nearly immaculate, on the other we have McCain, who does a good job of humiliating himself and saying the wrong things. Did you see him at the biker festival? It is almost as if we are being conditioned to vote for Obama because there are no other decent choices.

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I don't think he was trying to paint you racist in the other thread, he was just making a comment about the topic of the thread. Being that this site is here for people to express their opinions, I don't really see any need to scold Grinkyle. Thats just me though.

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I replied to the other thread that illnillnois started. In my reply I said "I lol'd".. that was it.

His reply to the thread was "lol'ing at racism... that's neat... I guess".

Seeing as how it was only he and I that had posted replies it's obvious that he was referring to me. The topic of the thread had nothing to do with racism or lol'ing.

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At first p4b, I was about to say who cares if obama removed the flag from his plane, but now that I know he replaced it with his stupid little symbol, well that makes me angry. Obama's use of that symbol just makes me paranoid that the "change" obama is promising us American's is just a different brainwash program than before.

Just watching the daily news makes me feel uneasy about the election. On the one hand we have this white knight, obama, who is charismatic and nearly immaculate, on the other we have McCain, who does a good job of humiliating himself and saying the wrong things. Did you see him at the biker festival? It is almost as if we are being conditioned to vote for Obama because there are no other decent choices.

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I'm just astounded at how full of himself he is. I mean he thinks he's the greatest thing since sliced bread and it's kind of gross to watch his head get bigger and bigger as the election goes on and on.

And THAT is the anti-change we believe in!

he's a commie. i knew it.

I really don't want to get into this debate over which one is worse, Obama or McCain... but...
I'm pretty sure the reason that Obama changed the American flags (at least the tail one) was because of that specific logo is a registered trademark of North American Airlines, which is or was the owner of the plane. Since Obama is preparing for the general election... he and his campaign re-designed the plane to display his slogan. If they purchased the plane, which I assume they did, that particular image of North American Airlines would need to be removed. Now... why he didn't replace it with another flag? I don't know or really care. :jointsmile: I'm pretty sure he is not the first candidate to NOT have an American flag on the tail.

Seriously though, I am not arguing in favor of either candidate. I have no idea what is going on in the political arena nowadays. Even if I think I know... I don't know... you know? I mean, what can you believe on the internet? ;)

Stay :stoned:

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I replied to the other thread that illnillnois started. In my reply I said "I lol'd".. that was it.

His reply to the thread was "lol'ing at racism... that's neat... I guess".

Seeing as how it was only he and I that had posted replies it's obvious that he was referring to me. The topic of the thread had nothing to do with racism or lol'ing.

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I see....I still don't think it is too big a deal. By that I mean I don't think he was trying to paint you racist or anything, he was just being a bit condescending, which pretty much everybody on the internet is guilty of.

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I'm just astounded at how full of himself he is. I mean he thinks he's the greatest thing since sliced bread and it's kind of gross to watch his head get bigger and bigger as the election goes on and on.

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True, but that proves he is human like the rest of us. Anybody in that position would have an inflated ego, i mean he is supposivley the savior of the American people...and the world.We will really see what he is made of when he becomes president, when he is under all that pressure to actually bring change and hope to the people, instead of just claiming he will.

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I really don't want to get into this debate over which one is worse, Obama or McCain... but...
I'm pretty sure the reason that Obama changed the American flags (at least the tail one) was because of that specific logo is a registered trademark of North American Airlines, which is or was the owner of the plane. Since Obama is preparing for the general election... he and his campaign re-designed the plane to display his slogan. If they purchased the plane, which I assume they did, that particular image of North American Airlines would need to be removed. Now... why he didn't replace it with another flag? I don't know or really care. :jointsmile: I'm pretty sure he is not the first candidate to NOT have an American flag on the tail.

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probably because his slogan is red white and blue enough to be considerably american.

The flag-on-the-plane situation is like the folks who make a big deal of flag lapel pins as a symbol of patriotism or someone's political stance as the same thing. Politically it's a non-issue unless you're trying really hard to make it an issue, as many of you clearly are. You who, incidentally, seem scared to death of Obama. You wouldn't be flailing this hard or this loudly if you weren't.

Daihashi, if you want to look at political egos, take a look at the reports of McCain's ego by the VA psychiatrists who've evaluated him over the years. They've commented on the powerful overinflation of his ego every single time, as he enjoys joking about and pointing to when he points out what motivated him to run for president. You may want to create an issue over Obama's ego, but I think that may reflect more on your desire to make this an issue about him. You're still quite young, so you've not spent much time around politicians. It takes a huge ego for someone to want that job--no matter what side of the aisle they're on. Look at Ross Perot. Look at George W. Bush. Ron Paul. John McCain. Barack Obama. They've all got it, and no one can make a case that one of them's bigger than another. You very much want to, clearly. But if you tested the egos of presidential egos, you'd see they're equally big. They pretty much have to be. You have to be ego-nuts to want that job, frankly.

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Daihashi, if you want to look at political egos, take a look at the reports of McCain's ego by the VA psychiatrists who've evaluated him over the years. They've commented on the powerful overinflation of his ego every single time, as he enjoys joking about and pointing to when he points out what motivated him to run for president. You may want to create an issue over Obama's ego, but I think that may reflect more on your desire to make this an issue about him. You're still quite young, so you've not spent much time around politicians. It takes a huge ego for someone to want that job--no matter what side of the aisle they're on. Look at Ross Perot. Look at George W. Bush. Ron Paul. John McCain. Barack Obama. They've all got it, and no one can make a case that one of them's bigger than another. You very much want to, clearly. But if you tested the egos of presidential egos, you'd see they're equally big. They pretty much have to be. You have to be ego-nuts to want that job, frankly.

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If you want to look at McCain's political ego then let's look back during the 2000 elections when he got alot of favorable attention from the media, and let's look at him now and his campaign ad's that make him seem like a kid when mommy's not paying attention to them.

I'm aware of all politicians and their ego's. I would never argue against it. I think I probably made a poor choice by saying ego. I would describe Obama as Narcissistic with a huge ego. You have to admit the guy seems to really be full of himself. Granted I don't want a president who lacks confidence but I don't want someone else who thinks they are gods gift to us. Whether Obama means to present himself that way or not, he comes off that way to me. I thought so during the Democratic Primaries and I still think so now.

They all come off that way to me. I think the election process and all the fawning, adoring crowds just make it worse. I have to think that this is what gets them into Bill Clinton-like zipper trouble, too. The power. The adoration. The idea that they're not going to be held to the same standards that a normal person would or that they can get away with stuff. The power is very seductive.

I worked for a lot of years doing speechwriting for CEOs at a big international company. Those top executives literally made multi-millions and everyone fawned over them and did their every bidding at every turn. It was the rare C-level Fortune 100 executive or board member who didn't think he was God incarnate, and that was because people literally treated them like that.

The same thing seems to happen to politicians. It's sad, really, because that power-factor really seems to separate them from the people they're supposed to represent.

what a chump, and this is the guy we want in the white house!


i posted a thread last night of changes obama was making to his rides and cribs.
http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/...ml#post1893885

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The same thing seems to happen to politicians. It's sad, really, because that power-factor really seems to separate them from the people they're supposed to represent.

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We do have a few good representatives in congress. Look at Mr. Ron Paul for example. It's just unfortunate that we don't have enough of them in congress to turn this country around.

I agree. We do have some good ones. And I'm not one of those who thinks all politicians are crooked or in it for the wrong reasons. I couldn't get through the day successfully if I believed that. I think many of them truly are motivated by public service, and I know it seems like we're often stuck in gridlock, but I think that's the nature of a two-party system.

The truth is we actually balance each other out in a complementary fashion. Politicians and folks who work with them are at peace with this fact and recognize that the two factions have to work together in order to achieve progress. It's the folks who're not so close to the process who get stuck in the polarity.

Thoughts from a moderator's perspective
Thanks to those of you who've been helping keep this area of these boards focused on civil, real discussion instead of silly, childish insults. These boards have been a full-time job tonight! Must be the summertime heat.

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Growing up republican.....for once in my life I can't get a grip on voting for McCain. He gets a "F" in the drug war and Obama has already promised to stop FEDERAL RAIDS against medical marijuana users. So ...who in the hell do we vote for? Not much of a choice!

sigh.........

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But electing our president isnt just about weed. Think about it, why would we want someone in charge who is spending a huge amount of money in a stupid way? I mean, I don't care if he takes of the American flag or whatever...its his plane...but hes using his campaign money to do it? come on now. You would vote for him just because he says hes gonna end federal raids on medical users? And by the way, i think he can still redeem himself....if he allows everyone who gave him their money to take one ride in the plane

Agreed.

Electing a president because he/she is pro-marijuana is like buying a car soley because of the color.

It's important but other things should be the main priority. Things like the war, oil, the huge deficit, taxes, amendment issues, etc..

Imo, those complaints are pathetic.

Well Rebgirl beat me to it so I had to edit in this rider.

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Another change Obama made to his campaign plane â?? He removed an American Flag from the tail section and replaced it with his own seal.

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Well I guess this is what he means by "Change we can believe in.":rolleyes:

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Obama,who is charismatic and nearly immaculate

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Oh yeah, well count how many time Obama says "um" or "ahh" when he gives a speech. Every other word out of his mouth is um ah um ah. I don't know why people find that so charming. Stumbling on words, so charismatic and inspiring. I'm not saying one should like someone or not based on this but I am so tired of hearing about how charismatic he is. I think the media says this because he is their little darling.

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At first p4b, I was about to say who cares if obama removed the flag from his plane, but now that I know he replaced it with his stupid little symbol, well that makes me angry. Obama's use of that symbol just makes me paranoid that the "change" obama is promising us American's is just a different brainwash program than before.

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My point EXACTLY! I could give a rats if he had the flag on his plane OR wears a flag pin, which by the way he does ALL THE TIME now for some odd reason, but replacing the flag of our country with a "like" banner of his own is insulting for a presidential candidate. Kind of shows the HE comes before country in my eyes. Although, what else should a person expect from this egomaniac?

Have a good one!:s4:

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... come on now. You would vote for him just because he says hes gonna end federal raids on medical users?

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Yeah, I'd be wary of geeks bearing gifts. Osama can no more change the marijuana laws, than he could stick with one position in his campaign without checking the polls first. The food and drug administration has a few guidelines for 'new' drugs under their control, which is where it would end-up. Then there's the AMA...

Early-on, when individual states were passing legislation with regards to medical use of cannabis, the feds had a backlash reaction (an "I don't fucking think so" attitude) to the states' laws, with more attention to enforcement and prosecution. Would look for the same type of backlash from those ultra-conservative states that don't like any progressive 'morals' being shoved down their throats by the feds.

With the feds, you'd have to convince the Surgeon General to accept the medical use of cannabis before anything meaningful could be accompolished on the federal end of it. As it's his medical legasy on the line, not likely to jump into it without going thru the proper testing stages.
Years of testing things like strain stabilization, acceptable delivery systems, (bongs vs. vaporizers vs. tinctures vs. Marinol...) developing THC and Delta 9 inhibitors, (to wean 'addicts' off the nasty stuff) dosage requirements for size/age/symptoms of the user, short and long-term effects...and finally,where/who could grow it to the governments standards.

Then there's the wording of the disclaimer..."warning...may cause munchies or a...um...what else does it do...?"

The only time cannabis comes into play when I vote, is in the state/local elections. They are, at this time, the ones that determine your local cannabis enforcement/acceptance. Other than that, I vote in the nationals for the candidate that represents the direction I think is best for our country.

Altho I'm grateful that a few states have med. cannabis laws, the same 'false hope' goes for those national organizations that promise that if you send them $20.00 per month, they'll change Washington D.C.'s stranglehold on the misrepresentations of cannabis and it's users. Been thirty years since we first started donating to that cause...and only a handfull of states have med. cannabis laws...? Not a very effective or impressive track record.

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My point EXACTLY! I could give a rats if he had the flag on his plane OR wears a flag pin, which by the way he does ALL THE TIME now for some odd reason, but replacing the flag of our country with a "like" banner of his own is insulting for a presidential candidate. Kind of shows the HE comes before country in my eyes. Although, what else should a person expect from this egomaniac?

Have a good one!:s4:

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After 911, he refused to wear the pin, citing that it doesn't represent patriotism, because, of course he's patriotic... (sorry, I just threw-up in my mouth)
Anyway, now his handlers slap the pin on as if it attones for his past indiscressions and sins against his own society. A rosary-flag, of sorts, blessed by the messiah builder, Rev. Wright, himself. (similarly blessed flagpins available (for a $250.00 or more donation) at ReperationistAndFalseMessiahOfHope.com)

Am I angry, as someone has so judgementally put it...? No, it's more like an incredulous disdain. But as the date nears, I do check my facts closer, and I love to call-out bullshit factless posts. The statements are so easy to check, I don't even feel it's an imposition challenging those that are too lazy to have an original thought and/or common sense. :jointsmile:

Here's two flags.
The flag from germany (circa 1920's) was red and white. Then, that great and partiotic german, Adolph Hitler made a couple of changes...well...you get the idea.

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Oh yeah, well count how many time Obama says "um" or "ahh" when he gives a speech. Every other word out of his mouth is um ah um ah. I don't know why people find that so charming. Stumbling on words, so charismatic and inspiring. I'm not saying one should like someone or not based on this but I am so tired of hearing about how charismatic he is. I think the media says this because he is their little darling.

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Well he's no JFK, but he's close. My point was mostly that when you look at both Candidates side by side, McCain makes Obama look like a hero and he makes himself look like a stubborn old man who has trouble keeping his composure.

I agree that the media loves Obama though....he's marketable. You don't see McCain shirts for sale at retail stores, do you?

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Well he's no JFK, but he's close.

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Not really. JFK proved his military worth and love for country and soldier with his actions during WW2.....Obama, the surge won't work. JFK stood up to the U.S.S.R. during the Cuban Missile Crisis....Obama wants to negotiate without any preconditions with people regarded as a terrorists best friend.

What actually has Obama done to warrent such a level of respect as JFK?

Have a good one!:s4:

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What actually has Obama done to warrent such a level of respect as JFK?

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Well nothing yet, he's not even president. However, the parallels between this presidential race and the presidential race between JFK and Nixon are hard to ignore. In my opinion.

McCain doesn't have an American flag on his plane either. :rolleyes:

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/...ccainplane.jpg

So really this is just a hateorade issue.

Ok, I found out he indeed does have a small American flag painted right next to "peace, prosperity..." but now we can complain, why does McCain think so little of the USA? :thumbsup:

All this is a bunch of hoopla!

Priorites people! Minor things like this only distract us from the issues. This is happening on both sides of the fence too.

I'm a registered Republican and even I think this flag shit is exactly that, shit. I don't care what my president is wearing, what race he/she is, what sex he/she is, where they vacation, shop, dine, nor do I give a damn about what he's flying in (Unless your Al Gore, then I care because it only proves what a hippacrit he is politicy).

Issues. THAT is what is important.

i just want to find some weed, the rest of the USA's problems can take a back seat. Cause I am at the wheel and I'm getting distracted..

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i just want to find some weed, the rest of the USA's problems can take a back seat. Cause I am at the wheel and I'm getting distracted..

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I HEAR YOU BRO--YOU ARE DESPERATE---You need reasonably priced mmj, like the rest of us and growing isn't an overnight issue!! But, I am not sure I'd vote for the man based on that alone. However, if you cannot find any other issues that concern you--vote for the one that is closest to your heart and your pain. I so understand.

I stopped crawling in this politic section, cause: I still think we have no choice! I don't think it is the removal of the flag, as the behavior that some are upset with.

In fact, I am not sure 'change' is a new concept!! Heard it all my life!

I think birdgirl and rebgirl pretty much got to the point. These guys are narcissistic--Just ask Edwards!!! Damn, I liked him the best-on the Dem side! These guys are running for SService, maid service and basically having their butts wiped with American Tax dollars the rest of their lives and companions (of all kinds). If you never had to life a finger, except to sign a paper or read a speech the rest of your life, we all might want the job. But there is more to it.

If we can grow pot in the White House, I'd go for that! But, would it make a difference in my vote? It may come down to that, since they are both begining to take the same stand on just about everything!!

I keep getting more and more frustrated with this whole thing! I see major difference's and then I hear them both take the same stance for off-shore oil drilling, yep--they are changing, their minds--daily! Odd, the flip-flop ads aren't on T.V. yet!

I remain, undecided and frustrated with this election. It isn't my first time in almost several decades of voting. I take pride in my selection and voting as an American Citizen and feel it is my privilege and right! I would just like to see some real issues and i do not plan on buying Obama's budget book, either! I prefer pot growing books!

I hate to say such a thing, but I do not think, in my life time, I have ever seen the economy and people so wrapped up in it with a war at the same time! Viet Nam, made voting easy! Different war, different time and we could have a little civil disobedience to let our elected officials understand us! Now, we just go to jail!

I'd really like to know what they plan on doing with all the policies that got fucked up with Bush in office! Nat'l debt, taxes, education (which USA ain't doing so good in the world of math), medical care, elderly care, care of the homeless and yes, how they feel about pot! But, with don't ask don't say, or whatever it was. I think pot will fall there! If the Gov't thought that legalizing pot like alcohol--would decreas what Medicare sparingly spends on medication, they might legalize it; more would use it and pay out of the pocket or grow. Then, the medication bill would go down. At least, for those without heart problems (and other contraindications).

I guess if Obama marched to the back of a plane, picked up a flag and tossed it out a window, I might decide how I would vote! But, I think the re-model team did it. Now, half a million dollars to remodel--oooh!!! He is a young man, he could rough it a little to make a statement, if he desired! Like old Gov. Brown in CA did. He rented an apt. (at his own expense and drove a vw) and never lived in the Gov't mansion! I'd like a pres. like that! Our budget was better and times were good!

I do not have any answers, and I guess I'd better not tok and post!:jointsmile:

What a big fuss because Obama removed the usa flag from his plane...
Some of Bushs acts prompted thousand of people to burn, tear apart, and spit on usa flags around the world... and yet he was re-elected... :wtf:
So, which one did more damage to the so-loved flag of yours?

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What a big fuss because Obama removed the usa flag from his plane...
Some of Bushs acts prompted thousand of people to burn, tear apart, and spit on usa flags around the world... and yet he was re-elected... :wtf:
So, which one did more damage to the so-loved flag of yours?

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You guys are not getting it. Its not his removal of the flag that is important, but the substitution of the flag for his personal propaganda symbol.

Read posts thoroughly, then criticize.

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You guys are not getting it. Its not his removal of the flag that is important, but the substitution of the flag for his personal propaganda symbol.

Read posts thoroughly, then criticize.

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Well... if you analize the deeds of most (if not all) presidents, you will find that they work more for themselves (or for the interests of a group they pertain) than for the benefit of the nation.
So, at least Obama is showing it from the start... better than if he waited until be at the white house to show his true intentions, as others would do.

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Well... if you analize the deeds of most (if not all) presidents, you will find that they work more for themselves (or for the interests of a group they pertain) than for the benefit of the nation.
So, at least Obama is showing it from the start... better than if he waited until be at the white house to show his true intentions, as others would do.

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So by your logic.. we should vote for the guy who we know is going to screw us over.. because he's not trying to hide it? That makes no sense.

Not sure if you have been keeping up with the United States election but Obama has about 20 positions on each issue depending on what crowd he's speaking to that day. If that's not trying to hide his true intentions then I don't know what is.

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You guys are not getting it. Its not his removal of the flag that is important, but the substitution of the flag for his personal propaganda symbol.

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Um, McCain has his own "propaganda" symbol on the tail of the plane as well.

Only different is McCain has a little American flag while Obama has none.

McCain is a gibbering retard. That's all you need to know.

The supposed "news article" this is based on is not journalism. It is a gross mixture of typos, editorial, facts, supposed fact, and slander. I have taken courses in Journalism and i would have failed had i turned something like this in. Truly made me laugh.

Also to make comparisons to Hitler and Obama, because of their logos? WTF man? Thats rude and disrespectful. Learn your history, discuss it intelligently. Maybe instead of arguing over NOTHING, write a letter to someone in office expressing your thoughts on Cannabis...there's an idea. BE THE CHANGE

Good bye

Known Superbig Egos
Trump in business,
Mohamud Ali in Sports, (Super Egos know "I am the Greatest!")
the list would be endless.
Who could run for President without one? (a superego)

And as for the ums and ahs of Obama,
they mean he has a IQ of a normal person and does not have pat answers (the pauses indicate taking time to think). Look at a Dan Quale speech, not a um or ah...anywhere.....he was a genius.

Not saying i am for either candidate...this year when we need a strong leader, i see no clear cut choices. To bad we can not take some from one and some from the other. (is sad because i am a staunch Democrat and I am torn this election)
side note, looks like florida is blowing away....again.

(another side note.....heard last night on the news that McCain may announce that he will have no intention of seeking another term...if elected this time....if that is put in writing .......and sworn to on a stack of text books....and makes him not take special interest money to get elected for a second term....i would think more ....again and feel torn.)

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side note, looks like florida is blowing away....again.

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Best wishes to all those in Florida and the Keys. :thumbsup:

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(another side note.....heard last night on the news that McCain may announce that he will have no intention of seeking another term...if elected this time....if that is put in writing .......and sworn to on a stack of text books....and makes him not take special interest money to get elected for a second term....i would think more ....again and feel torn.)

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Even with the stack of text, the writing, etc....I'd still take it for what it is, the promise from a politician. Not much to hang your hat on.

Have a good one!:s4: