This is a test. Different harvest times and parts of the plant.

Day 47

For once Iâ??m going to try a harvest the right way. From my understanding this means taking different parts of the plant at different times. Not all buds get ripe at the same time, and someone correct me if Iâ??m wrong but normally the buds closest to the light mature faster. Some people go so far as to do a perpetual harvest, where they harvest for months, letting the lower and less mature parts of the plant grow some before harvesting them. I read years back that some people bud a plant for years, though I canâ??t find anything about it on the boards. Anyone?

If things go according to plan Iâ??ll also be testing how harvest times affect the way a plant smokes. As most of you probably know, the longer you let a plant mature the more amber the trichomes will become, and the more it will have a narcotic, couch-lock effect. The sooner you harvest the more clear the trichomes will be, and youâ??ll be more likely to be able to think and work while high.

Trichomes, from the Greek meaning "growth of hair", are fine outgrowths or appendages on plants and certain protists. These are of diverse structure and function. Examples are hairs, glandular hairs, scales, and papillaeâ?¦A common type of trichome is a hairâ?¦Any of the various types of hairs may be glandular. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichome

So hereâ??s my first real indoor dirt grow, and my first cuttings at day 47 of flowering. 3 days ago they got their first flush of plain water, and thatâ??s probably all theyâ??ll get from now on. On the left and right is BBxNL and in the middle is AK-47. FYI the left plant was LSTed some, and the right one was topped twice and weaker branches removed. As to be expected LST seems to give more and smaller buds. The photos are after removing three test buds.

First off Iâ??m not used to dirt farming and am noticing, well, less stuff. Less weed, less trichomes, much less density and stickyness in the bud department. Iâ??ve been growing moms in dirt for years, but this is the first time I put dirt plants in my real flowering section. Also, Iâ??m high, so please bare with me. Iâ??m sure I might be doing things wrong, but the plants look OK, except for some extra yellowing on the AK. Also, Iâ??m used to these babies being the way I like em after this amount of time. I find it a little hard to understand why simply growing in hydro would decrease days until harvest, especially if Iâ??m treating them the same otherwise.

Iâ??ll make somewhat of an effort to follow through, at least partially, somewhat. I hope to take a little from the plants every 5 days for awhile. Perhaps even supplying some side by side photos of buds and trichomes. Iâ??ll compare the different highs and hopefully be able to find what amber percentages give me the medicinal values Iâ??m looking for.

Well for what itâ??s worth, hereâ??s some buds from the tops of plants. Normally I would expect about 10% amber (my normal goal) and most of the pistils brown. These trichomes are pretty consistently cloudy, with a couple here and there just turning cloudy, and a couple just turning amber. Amber is way less than 1%, and strangely there will be one beautiful solid amber in a field of cloudy. Can someone explain this? From left to right is a bud from each plant and is shown like the overall grow. After trimming the wet weight is 7.3, 5.6 and 5.1 grams respectively.

Hereâ??s my first try at trichome photography, and Iâ??m not exactly proud of it or anything. I couldnâ??t figure out how to get a shot through my pocket microscope, which shows things at 80-100x, and really brings the trichomes up into your face. These shots are through a 30x loop, which can do 10 or 20x as well. Since judging trichomes is the only way to really tell if a plant is ready to your satisfaction, I highly recommend picking up at least one of these instruments. I have kind of a hard time seeing properly through the loop, so I recommend the scope if you only are getting one. You can walk out of Radio Shack with both of em for about $12.

You know Opie I wonder sometimes if the difference between soil and hydro is something like "digestability" or how "palatable" (sp?) their diet is.

In hydro a plant draw up the nutes already in a form that they can easily use. Nothing has to be "transformed" or "converted" in any way.

I wonder if that's where the "harvest speed" comes into play between hydro and soil.

Just thinking out loud.......:cool:

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

I find it a little hard to understand why simply growing in hydro would decrease days until harvest, especially if Iâ??m treating them the same otherwise.

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It's easier to cut the N in an inert media- higher N levels delay flowering.

Can someone explain why my plants are only buds...no leaves ...when I harvest? 10% amber. Not that I'm complaining, or anything...just curious.

yes it's true...I hung my girl. She couldn't stand on her own.

Hey Dutch, what variety is that? I know weed plants draw nutrients from leaves more during flowering, especially toward the end, essentially eating themselves. Some more than others, and once the leaves are yellow and all the nutrients are out, the leaves fall off. Is that what happened to yours or as she been mostly foliage free? Looks good.

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Originally Posted by rhizome

It's easier to cut the N in an inert media- higher N levels delay flowering.

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I guess that makes sense. So when growing in dirt would it be beneficial to switch to flowering nutes maybe a week or two earlier than in hydro?

Yopie looks great, as does the hi-jackers bizarre but pretty plant. I thought about that BBxNL strand... how do you like it?

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Hey Dutch, what variety is that? I know weed plants draw nutrients from leaves more during flowering, especially toward the end, essentially eating themselves. Some more than others, and once the leaves are yellow and all the nutrients are out, the leaves fall off. Is that what happened to yours or as she been mostly foliage free? Looks good.

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Hi Opie. Sorry, I jumped off the subject matter...:stoned: I only grow white widow/white rhino because 1. easy to grow indoors 2. crippling highs.

I tried havesting this time in stages. First the colas, 10% amber. One week later, the middle buds; and finally, one more week, the lower popcorn buds, which I had pollinated. Now I have all the seeds I need.

To tell you the truth...it's more trouble than it's worth. IMO. Next time, it all comes down at the same time. The amber % never did increase in those extra two weeks.

I don't try to grow every strain under the sun. I prefer to specialize in one or two strains. But, that's just me.

I hope to merge widow with rhino...one day...:weedpoke::rhinoceros:

Day 52

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Originally Posted by Dutch Pimp

To tell you the truth...it's more trouble than it's worth. IMO. Next time, it all comes down at the same time. The amber % never did increase in those extra two weeks.

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That's good to know, and I'm beginning to agree. I harvested some today, probably 3/4 of the top buds. It doesn't really seem like the amber percentage has changed much in the past 5 days. I'm still a little puzzled since I'm used to harvesting at 10% amber before now, but that's been in hydro. Amber is still not quite 1% now but almost, and the trichs mostly just looks like big fields of cloudy.

Last night and today I smoked the big BBxNL bud. Very nice I must say. Maybe I like em with a bit of clear in the trichs. At least I think I'm going to try harder from now on to have some of both around. I'm still high, but not knocked out or run down, like I'm used to several hours after my 10% amber AK-47.

The BBxNL hardly has an odor, but reminds me of hauling alfalfa hay, with perhaps a straight shot of Everclear. Even with hardly any amber it is powerful, much like the AK. A couple hits and I forget I was planning on taking more. The AK is, well you know, loud, obnoxious and powerful, with a hint of cherries or something. Nice and stinky, maybe strawberry mouthwash. One hit's enough to make your heart race and your bowels move. Then after a couple-3 hours it's off to vegetative sleep.

They're still on just water. Man it's hot here today. Here's the ladies after their haircuts.

And another feeble attempt at 30x trichome photography.

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Originally Posted by Algag

Yopie looks great, as does the hi-jackers bizarre but pretty plant. I thought about that BBxNL strand... how do you like it?

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So far so good. I like.

They Look Great!

lookin damn good opie...
whiskeytango

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

And another feeble attempt at 30x trichome photography.

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You are too humble.
That's pretty impressive for a hand held loupe.
May they smoke as sweet as they look.

Well Done, Lad!:D

Weezard

Say, OY,

Something you said to Transcender caught my attention;

"How far you can go depends on variety. I think 13 hrs is a good cut-off point, but some might flower with 14 hours of light. Experimentation needed. I don't think less light toward the end would do anything except reduce yield. Once a plant has the proper amount of light to flower, less light won't make it flower more. It's either budding or vegging."

Absatively!
But, I think it's the 12 hours of darkness that triggers flowering!

You can really mess with a plant just by taking a flash photo in the middle of the night. Seems it resets a chemical timer that I'm too ripped to even look up right now. Yhe point is, 12 hours of darkness is enough for whats-its-face-zyme to degrade and trigger flowering.
In the wild, after triggering, the nights keep getting longer. Which gives the girls less light to grow in.
Advantage, indoor!

I'm thinking about 13 hours dark and say 18 hours light on a rotating cycle.
Whuddaya think???

Weeze

Ditto:thumbsup:

Your photos are definitely gettin' the job done.

I'll be paying close attention to your findings.

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Originally Posted by Weezard

Say, OY,
I'm thinking about 13 hours dark and say 18 hours light on a rotating cycle.
Whuddaya think???

Weeze

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I think you'll be back to doing it the right way in no time, but good luck.
Perhaps your own growlog to document the attempt? :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

I read years back that some people bud a plant for years, though I canâ??t find anything about it on the boards. Anyone?

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Not true. You can veg a plant for years, tho. Over-ripening (extra weeks in flower) is one of the techniques used, to force nanners.

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

First off Iâ??m not used to dirt farming and am noticing, well, less stuff. Less weed, less trichomes, much less density and stickyness in the bud department.

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Fucking with the the ladies throughout flowering is likely not helping. I missed the point of why you would keep injuring your plant thru the (arguably) most critical part of the grow? If you keep stressing her, of course the results will be questionable.

Personally, since I grow for my wife and I, I'd never do anything but a soil grow. With hydro-grown plants, I don't like the fluffiness of the buds, the weird taste, nor the crazy equipment and chemicals used. Since I veg and flower at two different locations, it would simply be a pain in the ass not worth the effort.

Actually RT...I had a JH mom that I flowered. Just kept cutting her down from the top, about 25% of the plant at a time...went a good six months, could've gone longer, but I needed the room...you can harvest a flowering plant many times...
whiskeytango

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

Actually RT...I had a JH mom that I flowered. Just kept cutting her down from the top, about 25% of the plant at a time...went a good six months, could've gone longer, but I needed the room...you can harvest a flowering plant many times...
whiskeytango

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Hmm...Perhaps I did my little experiment wrong, but net results were sub-standard, foliage was weirding-out, undergrowth was a dead-zone, and new-growth quality was strewtchy crap. Add that to the picking-off of nanners, and the stress of nitrogen defeciencies and soil ph issues...made me realize very quiclky, I don't care for the technique.
But re-vegging is another story entirely. I've got a couple of vegging ladies that are 8 growth cycles old, (flowered 7 times) and still going strong.

Since you've done it, do you still use any part of the prepeptual harvest technique, SnS? Do you have any tips you can give Opie to point-out what he'll need to watch for? What works, what doesn't...?

I only budded it out for about 8 months...not sure about years. I didnt do anything special except chop 30% off the top and dropped the light...It gave me 3 good harvests...
whiskeytango

I harvested the 2nd (and main) batch of buds yesterday. On the BBxNL I cut everything off except about the bottom 20% of foliage/buds. Iâ??m still not sure about this 3rd stage of the harvest. A lot of little buds, but weâ??ll see if they grow out much more. I kind of doubt itâ??s going to be worth the electricity, since it seemed like the plants pretty much stopped growing. I took all of the AK since she was yellowing quite a bit and she didnâ??t appear to be growing anymore. One of the most pitiful plants Iâ??ve ever grown.

Iâ??ve got weed, and it gets me high, and that makes me happy. Iâ??m pretty much disappointed in resin production and bud density compared to what Iâ??m used to. Like I mentioned, I normally harvest between day 45 and 47 of flowering, and that is at about 10% amber trichomes. Now at day 61 I have about 3% amber, and maybe half the resin and half the bud density. Iâ??ve done everything exactly the same as in hydro, except for feeding them some extra food to help make up for the lack of uptake in soil. I was wondering if I should let them go even longer, but they are now growing extremely slow, if at all.

The first batch is dried and weighed, and including the 3 initial test buds the score so far is BBxNL: 39.9 grams (1.41 oz), and AK-47: 5.9 grams (0.21 oz). Iâ??m guessing this main batch will be about 2 oz of BBxNL and 3/4 oz of AK, but of course weâ??ll have to wait until itâ??s dry.

Photo 1: Before this round of cutting
Photo 2: Whatâ??s left
Photo 3: The 2nd batch of BBxNL
Photo 4: The 2nd batch of AK-47 (I know, itâ??s huge)

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Originally Posted by Weezard

I'm thinking about 13 hours dark and say 18 hours light on a rotating cycle.
Whuddaya think???

Weeze

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That is interesting. For some reason I just always thought I should be keeping my plants on some kind of schedule that adds up to 24 hours. Did I read that somewhere? Are you suggesting a 31 hour cycle? I've thought their internal clock needed to be set to roughly a day, but now I'm wondering. Anyone?

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Originally Posted by Weezard

You can really mess with a plant just by taking a flash photo in the middle of the night.

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You sure? I hear people keep saying that, but I do it anyway. There's grows when I haven't done it, and some that I have, and I've never noticed a difference.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Not true. You can veg a plant for years, tho. Over-ripening (extra weeks in flower) is one of the techniques used, to force nanners.

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Well unless the book I read wasn't telling the truth, back in the hippie day it was more common to see people letting their plants bud for ages after normal harvest times. I don't find this too hard to believe, but perhaps this experiment will help us gain some insight to the truth. I had a plant bud for about 8 months after I tried to revert it to veg. It didn't grow real fast, but it kept making buds, not nanners, until it decided it was time to stop that nonsense and start vegging.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Fucking with the the ladies throughout flowering is likely not helping. I missed the point of why you would keep injuring your plant thru the (arguably) most critical part of the grow? If you keep stressing her, of course the results will be questionable.

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I'm not sure what you mean by stressing or fucking with. Do you mean the one small test bud I took off each plant, or the stress caused by the first harvest? I suppose you are right, maybe, a little, but these varieties never seem to get stressed with topping or cutting. However if you just compare day 52 in dirt to day 45 in hydro, there is a huge difference in favor of the hydro. This is before any conceivable stress. And since you say that you missed the point, here it is again: Experimentation. When I hear favorable reports of ways of doing things that are different than my own, I often like to try them for myself. Sometimes I share it with others.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Personally, since I grow for my wife and I, I'd never do anything but a soil grow. With hydro-grown plants, I don't like the fluffiness of the buds, the weird taste, nor the crazy equipment and chemicals used. Since I veg and flower at two different locations, it would simply be a pain in the ass not worth the effort.

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Well, I still don't understand. As far as I've seen, hydro makes the buds less fluffy, not more. It's also much easier to get rid of any weird taste in hydro, and the equipment doesn't have to be any more crazy than a container and an air stone. And what chemicals? All nutrients are made of chemicals, whether you feed them to dirt plants or hydro plants. If for some reason you're worried about pharmaceutical nutrients, you could use all organic. I too have a separate veg and flower area, and I could easily transport my hydro plants to another location if I wanted too. Years back I started with a couple dirt grows, then when I switched to a simple container and air stone, the leaves of the same variety grew twice as big and yields roughly doubled. I'm not trying to argue or get anyone to switch to hydro, I'm simply sharing my experiences. I agree that it doesn't get much simpler than dirt farming.

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That is interesting. For some reason I just always thought I should be keeping my plants on some kind of schedule that adds up to 24 hours. Did I read that somewhere? Are you suggesting a 31 hour cycle? I've thought their internal clock needed to be set to roughly a day, but now I'm wondering. Anyone?

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Well, that's what got me to wondering.
I've read that most plants are happy with 21 -27 hour cycles. 31 is, admittedly, pushing it.
Like you, I just have to :weedpoke:, to see if there is merit.

"Just 'cause it's writ down, don't make it a fact"
Fer instance;
I've had old timers tell me the LED growing is a scam and could never work.
I know just enough physics and electronics to say "why not?"
So, tried it. Not only works! Beats the pants off CFLs!

And, like RT I was a hydro sceptic.
Some say yea, some say nay.
So, tried DWC.
First with Basil, then with catnip.
Holy crap!
So, I invested some. er, tomato beans:).
As you, no doubt, already know, I'm :dance: with joy.

This encourages me to try some of the nuttier sounding ideas.
Usually as little side experiments for proof of concept.
Won't get too radical until this crop is done and my jars are packed.
When I was researching Pulsed light, I came across the information
about um, (Phytochrome?), argh, can't remember the details.

But basically it says that exposure to light creates an enzyme that prevents flowering.
Said enzyme only lives for around 12 hours without the light.
So, it's the length of the dark period that triggers flowering!

The paper also stated that a few milliseconds were enough to pump in energy, create starches, produce enzymes, etc.
Now whether a few flashes will cook-up enough enzyme to retard flowering, I do not know, yet.
Just because a plant can photsynthesise using short "sun flecks " does not mean a few short pulses will produce enough enzyme to screw with flowering ."
When I said "can really mess with a plant", I should have said "may".
It was speculation based on undigested information.
Sorry 'bout that.
How much, and when?

I'm guessing that there's a threshold amount of light and that it makes a difference how long the pulse is . And probably whether you flash just after lights out, or in the middle of their sleep.
That made me think about "planting by phase of the moon as a function, not of tides, but more how much nightlight an seedling gets in it's first two weeks and if/how that affects the characteristics of the mature plant.
Sure would justify the printing of all those Farmer's Almanacs, ya?:)

So many things to try, so little time.

Saw that ?420 left you a visitor message looking for an experiment.
I'm always thinkin' 'bout more crap than I can possibly do, so, next time feel free to sic 'em on me.:D

From one :weedpoke: to another.
Weezard

With regards to flashes of light during dark period...

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

You sure? I hear people keep saying that, but I do it anyway. There's grows when I haven't done it, and some that I have, and I've never noticed a difference.

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Are you really sure it's a good idea to have newbies reading this, and possibly screwing-up their grow? IMHO, Not a very responsible approach.

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

Well unless the book I read wasn't telling the truth, back in the hippie day it was more common to see people letting their plants bud for ages after normal harvest times. I don't find this too hard to believe, but perhaps this experiment will help us gain some insight to the truth. I had a plant bud for about 8 months after I tried to revert it to veg. It didn't grow real fast, but it kept making buds, not nanners, until it decided it was time to stop that nonsense and start vegging.

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Whatever...I am one of those from the "hippie days", and I'm curious how your book says we kept the sun co-operating for 8 months of flower. We didn't have the HID's like now-a-days. Common to use was Mercury vapor and halogen...Too hot, and wrong spectrums...so I'm kinda curious to hear how we pulled this off...Seriously...a direct quote. I'm curious how this works.

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I'm not sure what you mean by stressing or fucking with. Do you mean the one small test bud I took off each plant, or the stress caused by the first harvest? I suppose you are right, maybe, a little, but these varieties never seem to get stressed with topping or cutting. However if you just compare day 52 in dirt to day 45 in hydro, there is a huge difference in favor of the hydro. This is before any conceivable stress. And since you say that you missed the point, here it is again: Experimentation. When I hear favorable reports of ways of doing things that are different than my own, I often like to try them for myself. Sometimes I share it with others.

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I have never had anything against experimentation. I often do it myself.
One tiny test bud is obviously not at all what I'm talking about. Nor is a single or multiple instance of topping. (but that is done in veg, not flower) If you keep removing the 'largest' mature buds, and leave the rest to flower, there will be a tipping-point where she kicks it into emergency propogation mode. (hormonal imbalance?) Likely, she starts throwing-out nanners.
Yes, there is a big difference between the hydro-grown plants, and soil grown. The hydro tastes like Cannabis-Light in comparison. Not an insult to you, Opie, just my observations. Don't like my opinion...? Oh well...I don't prefer smoking hydro-grown plants.

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Well, I still don't understand. As far as I've seen, hydro makes the buds less fluffy, not more. It's also much easier to get rid of any weird taste in hydro, and the equipment doesn't have to be any more crazy than a container and an air stone. And what chemicals? All nutrients are made of chemicals, whether you feed them to dirt plants or hydro plants. If for some reason you're worried about pharmaceutical nutrients, you could use all organic. I too have a separate veg and flower area, and I could easily transport my hydro plants to another location if I wanted too. Years back I started with a couple dirt grows, then when I switched to a simple container and air stone, the leaves of the same variety grew twice as big and yields roughly doubled. I'm not trying to argue or get anyone to switch to hydro, I'm simply sharing my experiences. I agree that it doesn't get much simpler than dirt farming.

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Whatever. You want to toot your own horn...? Go right ahead.
But my reasoning stands, and I'll stick with what has been sucessful for myself, (and others) for many years, and let you tell everyone how bitchen your techniques are, and how superior your knowledge is.
My main concern is, that what you type, newbies read...and with your flippant attitudes, hopefully you aren't teaching failure to those newbies.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

With regards to flashes of light during dark period...

Are you really sure it's a good idea to have newbies reading this, and possibly screwing-up their grow? IMHO, Not a very responsible approach.

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I don't see anything irresponsible about sharing my experiences. Maybe it's just my problem with authority, or people saying "this is the way it is, period", but I like to test things for myself. I wasn't suggesting people try abnormal grow methods, but I do suggest people question authority. If someone reads something new or different to try, and then they try it and is screws stuff up, who's fault is it? Is it the fault of the author for suggesting something out of the norm, or is it the fault of the grower for not taking the time to research the proper methods. If I write, "people have always told me not to rob banks, but I did it and it was great", then someone reads it and robs a bank, and it doesn't work out for them, is that my fault? I know it's hard for some people, but I still expect them to use a little judgment and take responsibility for the things they decide to do.

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Whatever...I am one of those from the "hippie days", and I'm curious how your book says we kept the sun co-operating for 8 months of flower. We didn't have the HID's like now-a-days. Common to use was Mercury vapor and halogen...Too hot, and wrong spectrums...so I'm kinda curious to hear how we pulled this off...Seriously...a direct quote. I'm curious how this works.

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When I have some time I'll look for the book. It's deep in the midst of one of the many stacks of junk.

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If you keep removing the 'largest' mature buds, and leave the rest to flower, there will be a tipping-point where she kicks it into emergency propogation mode. (hormonal imbalance?) Likely, she starts throwing-out nanners.

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No nanners yet, we'll see.

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Yes, there is a big difference between the hydro-grown plants, and soil grown. The hydro tastes like Cannabis-Light in comparison. Not an insult to you, Opie, just my observations. Don't like my opinion...? Oh well...I don't prefer smoking hydro-grown plants.

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Opinions, like experiences can't be wrong, and I neither like or dislike them. Each to his own, and I'm glad you found a grow method that works for your situation. The fact that hydro plants grow more, bigger, stronger, and faster is pretty much undisputed. This experiment of mine has helped to prove it, at least to me. That itself is worth every bit of time and money I have spent on this, even if I end up with nothing but a big pile of male flowers. It's hard for me to understand how you can like the taste of soil weed better, when with hydro you can eliminate all of the taste except for what is inherent to the strain. You can't do that with dirt plants, unless they get nothing but water for something like the entire bud cycle (depending). Hmmm, maybe it's the extra stuff left in soil plants that you are liking the taste of.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Whatever. You want to toot your own horn...? Go right ahead.
But my reasoning stands, and I'll stick with what has been sucessful for myself, (and others) for many years, and let you tell everyone how bitchen your techniques are, and how superior your knowledge is.
My main concern is, that what you type, newbies read...and with your flippant attitudes, hopefully you aren't teaching failure to those newbies.

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Wow, a little hostile today are we? Where did I toot my horn? Where did I say my techniques are bitchen, or my knowledge was superior to yours, or anyone else's for that matter? Where was my attitude flippant? And where did I teach failure to noobs? Once again, I'm sharing my experiences. Rusty you and I have always got along. I don't understand the attitude.

Weezard, I like your questioning attitude. We need more weed-specific experiments. I have pages of them I keep adding to, and I'm about ready to post them.

A thought: What about lightning in the middle of night? Kinda like a camera flash I suppose. Do all plants exposed to lightning at night go into nanner mode?

experimentation is the base of science...
WT

Rusty it sounds like you are stuck in a box, and not the female variety either, which may be your problem.

Opie, Thanks for sharing your findings. I am always trying things and testing stuff. I believe nothing until I see it with my own eyes, plant wise of course. Keep it up! Great Thread!
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A thought: What about lightning in the middle of night? Kinda like a camera flash I suppose. Do all plants exposed to lightning at night go into nanner mode?

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Had not thought of that!

Oh, Geeze! no sleep for the Weeze.;)

Didn't you hear the innocent bystanders when dey pointed at me and said?
"See dat guy ovah dere? Don't give him any ideas!":)
Good point though!

So, occasional flashes probably won't do much harm.
I can back that logic up with a fact or two.

Have had both timer and human errors that delayed the girl's bedtime by as much as 2 hours. Did try to offset, by delayin their wake-up.
Kept the night at 12H. by shoring a little off their next day.
They forgave me.:)

They must, evidently, be quite flexible, 'cause nature is a little sloppy.
I'm sure they get shaded on occasion. And I know they can have 2 or 3 very dark and stormy days in a row, punctuated by lightning.

Still " A collection of anecdote does not constitute science".
Still waiting for someone with the time, resources and med surplus to jump in here and propose an experiment for each theory/pipe dream.

Hawaii is quite strict about the number of plants allowed to each "blue card" . Can't afford the "risky" experiments myself until I have my med. supply handled.:(

Keep thinkin' OY. I like the way you do dat.:)

Aloha nui,
WZ

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Rusty it sounds like you are stuck in a box, and not the female variety either, which may be your problem.

Opie, Thanks for sharing your findings. I am always trying things and testing stuff. I believe nothing until I see it with my own eyes, plant wise of course. Keep it up! Great Thread!
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Funny!

In his defense. Rusty Trichome is a fund of information and advice for the conventional/conservative grower.

The man is just doing what he knows well and what works adequately
You want old school knowledge and experience, you'll do very well with his advice.

That said, there are way too many old wives tales, myths and legends.
Things getting done because, "that's the way we've always done it"!
with no science to justify doing it "that way"

Them that can afford to challenge established methods and take the risks to prove them, or not, are, in my book, benefactors to this art/science.


General Disclaimer:

Risk no resource based on my ramblings. I'm just thinking out loud here.
I'm no expert. Hell, I was barely ever a pert.;)


Play safe,
Weezard,

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Originally Posted by Weezard

In his defense. Rusty Trichome is a fund of information and advice for the conventional/conservative grower.

The man is just doing what he knows well and what works adequately
You want old school knowledge and experience, you'll do very well with his advice.

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True. We love you Rusty.

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

I have pages of them I keep adding to, and I'm about ready to post them.

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Im interested in any and all experiments you have going and await there posting. your research is greatly appreciated.:thumbsup: