US sets nuclear deadline for Iran

This is the same stuff that the Bush administration did with Iraq. God help us.

Iran must decide between confrontation and co-operation in the dispute over its nuclear plans, the US has warned.

At talks in Geneva, envoys from the US, EU and UN asked Iran to suspend its uranium enrichment in return for a pledge not to introduce new sanctions.

Iran gave no guarantees it would halt its activities, so the diplomats gave Tehran two weeks to provide an answer.

The meeting was the first time US and Iranian officials have held face-to-face talks on the nuclear issue.

Senior US official William Burns was present at the Geneva talks - although he made no public comment.

Instead, state department spokesman Sean McCormack issued a strongly-worded statement in Washington.

"We hope the Iranian people understand that their leaders need to make a choice between co-operation, which would bring benefits to all, and confrontation, which can only lead to further isolation," he said.

'New opportunity'

Mr McCormack added that Mr Burns had delivered a "clear simple message" that Washington was "serious" about the incentives package but that it would only negotiate with Iran if it upheld its side of the deal.

Diplomats had hoped that Iran would respond to a so-called "freeze-for-freeze" offer, under which a freeze of Iran's uranium enrichment programme at its current levels would be matched by a Western pledge not to strengthen sanctions on Tehran.

"It was a constructive meeting, but still we didn't get the answer to our questions," EU envoy Javier Solana told reporters.

"We hope very much we get the answer and we hope it will be done in a couple of weeks," he said.

Mr Solana said he had agreed with Iran's chief negotiator, Saeed Jalili, to speak again either by telephone or personally in two weeks.

The BBC's Jon Leyne in Tehran says Iran is interested in the offer but it is unclear whether there are divisions in the leadership or the Iranians are playing for time.

Mr Jalili said he had put forward many positive ideas and he urged Western powers not turn away from negotiations.

"This package we have proposed contains a number of possibilities. In a nutshell, it is a new opportunity which should not be lost."

But doubt was cast over the value of the talks, after a member of the Iranian delegation said there was "no chance" of a freeze on the uranium-enrichment programme.

Iran says its nuclear facilities are designed to meet its energy needs, denying that it has a weapons programme.

But Tehran's continued activity is defying UN Security Council demands to halt enrichment.

Rising tensions

In addition to the EU, Iranian and US envoys, the talks in Geneva's city hall were attended by representatives from Britain, China, France, Germany and Russia.

The US and Iran have had no diplomatic relations since the 1979 Iranian Revolution and the taking of hostages at the US embassy in Tehran.

Formal contact between the two countries has been extremely limited, though last year they met at ambassadorial level to discuss security in Iraq.

The meeting came after weeks of rising tensions in the Middle East.

The Iranians test-fired missiles last week, and a series of threats and counter-threats between Iran and Israel has been watched nervously in the West.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | US sets nuclear deadline for Iran

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Originally Posted by Anubis10012007

At talks in Geneva, envoys from the US, EU and UN asked Iran to suspend its uranium enrichment in return for a pledge not to introduce new sanctions.

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What a warm and fuzzy euphamism for blackmail.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

What a warm and fuzzy euphamism for blackmail.

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Howdy Gandalf,

Speakin of blackmail,do ya reckon that if Iran does build some nukes,will they engage in nuclear blackmail ?

Have a good one ... :jointsmile:

Torog, I heard that you live in mineral wells, I work out there on my grampa's farm everyday, well actually in Cool, population 243.

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Howdy Gandalf,

Speakin of blackmail,do ya reckon that if Iran does build some nukes,will they engage in nuclear blackmail ?

Have a good one ... :jointsmile:

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The same people you entrust with your freedom, are the ones who don't want you to have freedom in the first place. Its a Catch 22. We can't have any intellectual speakers in the Bush Administration. Dissent equals death now.

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy Gandalf,

Speakin of blackmail,do ya reckon that if Iran does build some nukes,will they engage in nuclear blackmail ?

Have a good one ... :jointsmile:

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Hard to say. US media loves to paint the Iranian government as insane fanatics without a bit of common sense or strategy. In reality they're as cunning as any government and smart enough to know that if you fire some nukes, more are comin' back your way. So far Iran has claimed that their nuclear technology is for energy purposes, and there's as yet no evidence to the contrary; only fear over the possible.

I fail to see what right America has to demand that Iran have no nuclear energy, or weapons, when both are plentiful in the United States. I can only imagine if China or Russia were putting sanctions on America, treatening war, unless you all abandon all your nuclear energy and weapons. I get the feeling that such demands suddenly wouldn't feel so reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

Hard to say. US media loves to paint the Iranian government as insane fanatics without a bit of common sense or strategy. In reality they're as cunning as any government and smart enough to know that if you fire some nukes, more are comin' back your way.

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Iranâ??s messiah will return again to rule in universal peace. Iran must drop the bomb to bring it about. Islamâ??s messianic return can only occur when the globe is in chaosâ??plagues, suffering, utter turmoil.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad believes that Mahdi, Muhammad ibn Hasan, will come back to this globe. He is the spiritual descendant of Prophet Mohammed, having disappeared as the 12th Imam. That was in the 9th century when the messiah was only 5 years old.

The Islamic messiah is waiting in the wings for apocalyptic anguish to envelop the globe. Then he will pierce the skies to reign upon Earth.
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This country is ran by Mullahs and their puppets.....I trust the peoples judgement regarding nuclear bombs but not the ones that would have their fingers on the magic button.

Have a good one!:s4:

But doesn't the Biblical description of the end of days say much the same thing?

Yes it does but to now, as far as I'm aware, no western leader has stated that he is awaiting the coming of the four horsemen.

Have a good one!:s4:

Howdy Y'all,

GrinKyle, that's cool(no pun intended..lol :D) that yer so close to me . :)

Anubis,you claim that "dissent=death row",is that a figure of speech,or have I missed the mass executions of all of the anti-wars ? Perhaps yer referring to the muslim-jihadists,who expressed their 'dissent',by attacking and destroying the WTC on 9/11/01 ?

Gandalf,you bring up an important point-that being that we should never underestimate the cunning of the enemy..we need to be mindful of such and even consider that the iranian leadership,is gitting advice and perhaps material support,from the russians on how to deliver a sucker-punch to the West.

Part of understanding the enemy,is learning what it is,that motivates them and what their final objectives are,a major part of that motivation is something that can't be reasoned with or appeased,that being religious motivators.

Have a good one ...

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Gandalf,you bring up an important point-that being that we should never underestimate the cunning of the enemy..we need to be mindful of such and even consider that the iranian leadership,is gitting advice and perhaps material support,from the russians on how to deliver a sucker-punch to the West.

Part of understanding the enemy,is learning what it is,that motivates them and what their final objectives are,a major part of that motivation is something that can't be reasoned with or appeased,that being religious motivators.

Have a good one ...

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Well, in reference to your suggestion of Russia taking Iran under its wing, I think anyone who hasn't thought of that has a screw loose. And lets not forget the Chinese. OH LOOK a brand new axis of evil!!! Nice!
So now that we figured out our enemies, understanding them is key, like you said. In my personal opinion we need to understand that the enemy is fighting to be free. Fighting against occupation. And when an enemy has that for a goal, we don't stand a chance.

Just the same as if America were fighting against occupation, the enemy wouldn't stand a chance.
Just my opinion of course, but nationalism is a very dangerous factor in many wars.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

Hard to say. US media loves to paint the Iranian government as insane fanatics without a bit of common sense or strategy. In reality they're as cunning as any government and smart enough to know that if you fire some nukes, more are comin' back your way. So far Iran has claimed that their nuclear technology is for energy purposes, and there's as yet no evidence to the contrary; only fear over the possible.

I fail to see what right America has to demand that Iran have no nuclear energy, or weapons, when both are plentiful in the United States. I can only imagine if China or Russia were putting sanctions on America, treatening war, unless you all abandon all your nuclear energy and weapons. I get the feeling that such demands suddenly wouldn't feel so reasonable.

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LOL right with all that oil they NEED nuclear energy? We can't take away the nuclear weapons from the countries that already have nuclear programs in place but, we should try our hardest to avoid having another finger on the button. How can you believe anyone that is so delusional that he actually believes that the Holocaust is a "myth". WTF?:wtf:

Oh yes, but not only that, apparently, dropping the bomb would bring the 12th imam back to Iran or whatever...
what a fuckin loon.

But yes, we have worked so hard for disarmament, why let a new threat in? We have big enough probs just having the amount of nukes around that we do.
Think of all the missing ones...thats what makes me scared :wtf:

Blame the US for that, don't say "we" cause you are Canadian, and they aren't to blame. We cause most of the problems we face today, and then say its our duty to make more of a mess.

Dude. Fuck it. That's it. I say, GIVE them nuclear weapons. Shit man, if the bomb's gonna drop let's just get this over with. I'm tired of all this stupid fucking talk. I don't give a fuck what Iran wants to do. They want nukes? Go nuts. They wanna start launching them at the west? Feel free. I honestly don't care all that much. Nuclear Holocaust is inevevitable, and if you think otherwise you're really not that smart. You don't create the world's most destructive weapon and watch as half the civilized world builds thousands of them, and NOT expect shit to backfire sooner or later.

The only thing that has a better chance of wiping out humanity is a meteor or asteroid, because we can't stop them and they can drop out of the sky at any given moment.

I bet Jesus would have a fuckin' field day with this. "Those who live by the sword..."

We can't let Iran aquire nukes. Not only for our own safety but for the safety of our allies. I believe that giving the Iranian leaders rope is going to lead to us being hanged.

And I love how some of the people here are saying that "The same people you entrust with your freedom, are the ones who don't want you to have freedom in the first place".

Oh that's rich. Who doesn't love a good conspiracy theory?


And I also love how so mnay of you doubt that the Iranian leaders WON'T use their nukes to blackmail Us and our allies (Cough Israel). You think tensions in the Middle East are bad NOW? Hahah oh geez I suppose 8 dollar gas wouldn't be THAT bad.

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Dude. Fuck it. That's it. I say, GIVE them nuclear weapons. Shit man, if the bomb's gonna drop let's just get this over with. I'm tired of all this stupid fucking talk. I don't give a fuck what Iran wants to do. They want nukes? Go nuts. They wanna start launching them at the west? Feel free. I honestly don't care all that much. Nuclear Holocaust is inevevitable, and if you think otherwise you're really not that smart. You don't create the world's most destructive weapon and watch as half the civilized world builds thousands of them, and NOT expect shit to backfire sooner or later.

The only thing that has a better chance of wiping out humanity is a meteor or asteroid, because we can't stop them and they can drop out of the sky at any given moment.

I bet Jesus would have a fuckin' field day with this. "Those who live by the sword..."

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Sir I doubt YOUR intelligence with a rash statement such as this. So just because you feel such a thing is unavoidable we should encourage the destruction of 90 percent of society? I'm sure most of the world would like to keep the "invetable" from happening. For the sake of children and adults alike.

if one nation has a nuke, ALL nations must have nukes, otherwise someone will get jealouse of someone else and start building more nukes...


sooner or later they're going to start LAUNCHING them...

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if one nation has a nuke, ALL nations must have nukes, otherwise someone will get jealouse of someone else and start building more nukes...


sooner or later they're going to start LAUNCHING them...

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That is why having nukes in the hands of only a few countries has worked this long? That is like giving out a ak-47 to every person in the world and asking them not to fire it. You think someone wouldn't go shoot it?

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if one nation has a nuke, ALL nations must have nukes, otherwise someone will get jealouse of someone else and start building more nukes...


sooner or later they're going to start LAUNCHING them...

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That is why having nukes in the hands of only a few countries has worked this long? That is like giving out a ak-47 to every person in the world and asking them not to fire it. You think someone wouldn't go shoot it? Letting more countries have nukes would just increase the chance that it could fall into the wrong hands or be used without a good cause.

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Originally Posted by DaBudhaStank

Dude. Fuck it. That's it. I say, GIVE them nuclear weapons. Shit man, if the bomb's gonna drop let's just get this over with. I'm tired of all this stupid fucking talk. I don't give a fuck what Iran wants to do. They want nukes? Go nuts. They wanna start launching them at the west? Feel free. I honestly don't care all that much. Nuclear Holocaust is inevevitable, and if you think otherwise you're really not that smart. You don't create the world's most destructive weapon and watch as half the civilized world builds thousands of them, and NOT expect shit to backfire sooner or later.

The only thing that has a better chance of wiping out humanity is a meteor or asteroid, because we can't stop them and they can drop out of the sky at any given moment.

I bet Jesus would have a fuckin' field day with this. "Those who live by the sword..."

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Well damn, sure "1/2 the civilized world has their hands on nuclear weapons" but why the fuck ask for that now? you would rather this shit happen soon than in a few hundred years? Give them nukes? you say that asteroids and meteorites* would kill off the human race because we cant stop them? Well let them kill us off not shit we can stop!

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That is why having nukes in the hands of only a few countries has worked this long? That is like giving out a ak-47 to every person in the world and asking them not to fire it. You think someone wouldn't go shoot it? Letting more countries have nukes would just increase the chance that it could fall into the wrong hands or be used without a good cause.

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lol that's part of what im saying!


im not saying just give them all nukes, but i AM saying that they are going to start trying harder and harder to get their own.


it's like when kids go to school and one kid has a brand new toy, all the kids go running home begging their parents to buy them one too.

Yeah the Nukes/Toys analogy is pretty crappy.

When they try harder to attempt to get nukes then we try just as hard to stop them.
They push we push.

And it's not just the United states who want this deadline. Our allies do too. It's not like the U.S. is going off alone all power hungry and shit. Were trying to do the world some good.

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Well damn, sure "1/2 the civilized world has their hands on nuclear weapons" but why the fuck ask for that now? you would rather this shit happen soon than in a few hundred years? Give them nukes? you say that asteroids and meteorites* would kill off the human race because we cant stop them? Well let them kill us off not shit we can stop!

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But see that's the point, you think we CAN stop them, or anyone for that matter, from doing it. If a country wants nukes bad enough, they're gonna get them, one way or another. The only way to REALLY stop Iran from actually getting nukes is A) annihilate them, entirely, not a soul left in the country, or B) invade and occupy for the next 100 years or so until all resistance is stamped out. Then watch as it comes back within 5 years and a new government is set up, in which they hate us and everyone else even more because we fucked them up.

It's a lose-lose situation. I'd thought that was obvious from the start. There's no such thing as a positive end to a war or anything of the sort. Oh, sure, you might destroy your enemies. You might even get peace for 10 or 20 years. Until it starts alllllllllllll over again and you're back to square one.

Talk about a pesimistic.

There are plenty of other options. Sanctions work. Especially EXTREME sanctions. And invading for 100 years and total anhiliation are ridiculus. Talk about extremes here.

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Sir I doubt YOUR intelligence with a rash statement such as this. So just because you feel such a thing is unavoidable we should encourage the destruction of 90 percent of society? I'm sure most of the world would like to keep the "invetable" from happening. For the sake of children and adults alike.

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Yes, I WOULD rather it happen now, because it IS inevitable. I would spare the lives of the future for the destruction of the present in a heartbeat. Maybe the remaining 10% will have a shred of common sense in their skulls. In fact, I think it might be NECESSARY that we destroy most of ourselves, in order to give the future the possibility of a hope, unlike living in fear and hatred like the majority of humans do. Yes, we may destroy 90% of the population. So what? Why are we so special? Because we're alive right now? What did we do that's so great that we deserve to continue our tragic, terrible and absolutely leech-like existence? Nothing that hasn't had the scales thrown waaaaaay backwards by our stupidity. Implementing fission to create nuclear weapons? Easily the stupidest, most self-destructive idea the human race has ever conceived of. Thank you Albert Einstein, without you and your letter, we may have continued to thrive for another 1000 years.

Are you going to remove every person in the world who doesn't like us and has nuclear capabilities? Of course not, it can't be done. While nuclear technology exists, it is the single greatest threat to humanity. The only way to avoid nuclear holocaust is to destroy all nuclear weapons the world over and anything that remotely resembles nuclear technology, or destroy the human race. Unless either one of those happens, I hope you enjoy seeing mushroom clouds on the horizon. It doesn't matter who has nukes and who doesn't, we were doomed from the start. Man's greatest creation is our greatest undoing, and we did it with a smile and a cheer because our enemies fell in droves before us. We became unstoppable; for a few years anyway. It doesn't matter who shoots first, just who shoots last.

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Talk about a pesimistic.

There are plenty of other options. Sanctions work. Especially EXTREME sanctions. And invading for 100 years and total anhiliation are ridiculus. Talk about extremes here.

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Oh yes, sanctions have been working just dandily.

Because thats why we're still trying to disarm them and have been for years, right? No, my dear, extremes are the only way for true results. Everything else is just a roadblock to the inevitable.

"What did we do that's so great that we deserve to continue our tragic, terrible and absolutely leech-like existence?" - DaBudhaStank

Are you freaking crazy? Do you hear yourself?

Maybe YOUR a Leech off society and the world but I am not. And neither are most of society. Sacrifice yourslef. Leave everyone else out your crazy "Oh woe is me and the world / Some people are bad so everyone should suffer" rant.

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Yeah the Nukes/Toys analogy is pretty crappy.

When they try harder to attempt to get nukes then we try just as hard to stop them.
They push we push.

And it's not just the United states who want this deadline. Our allies do too. It's not like the U.S. is going off alone all power hungry and shit. Were trying to do the world some good.

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eventually it will get out of hand. that is my only point.


what then?

What then? Like if they DO somehow aquire nukes?

Depends on the situation. If they are extremely hostile we might have to strike.

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"What did we do that's so great that we deserve to continue our tragic, terrible and absolutely leech-like existence?" - DaBudhaStank

Are you freaking crazy? Do you hear yourself?

Maybe YOUR a Leech off society and the world but I am not. And neither are most of society. Sacrifice yourslef. Leave everyone else out your crazy "Oh woe is me and the world / Some people are bad so everyone should suffer" rant.

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Ha, hardly crazy. You aren't a leech hmm? And what makes you say that? Because you recycle? Because you drive a hybrid car perhaps? No, all humans in this modern world (well, at least the ones who live in developed countries) are leeches. We shamelessly extort from each other, kill, steal, do everything in our power to ensure that we are top. Oh sure, we might give some people a helping hand every once and a while, provided it doesn't make them too powerful or independent.

Also, I'm not "woe" whatsoever, I'm actually very stoked about life right now. Do I think the world SHOULD suffer? God know, I'm a pretty average, normal human being. Some people are bad, and they just so happen to know how build and launch nuclear missiles. THEY are the ones who are going to destroy us. It's not that I want it to happen, it's just going to and there's almost nothing any of us can do to stop it. I've simply stopped lying to myself when most of the world hasn't.

Also you haven't answered my question. Why do we deserve to live? What is so amazing about humanity?

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What then? Like if they DO somehow aquire nukes?

Depends on the situation. If they are extremely hostile we might have to strike.

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Hostility is irrelevant. The only point that makes any difference is whether or not they do what we tell them to. If they don't, they die. If they do, they live another day.

Humanity is an amazing thing. We help people who need it. For example what about all the people who give millions to help children with terminal diseases like cancer? When I was going through chemo people where coming out of the wood work to help any way they could.

What about with natural disaasters hit and people selflessly go down to the area to help? What about the human will to try to cure diseases and hunger in countries like Africa?

Theres so many good people in this world. And humans aren't perfect but nothing is. Good people greatly outnumber the bad. And if they didn't the whole world would be in ruins now. And it's not. Not even close.

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Humanity is an amazing thing. We help people who need it. For example what about all the people who give millions to help children with terminal diseases like cancer? When I was going through chemo people where coming out of the wood work to help any way they could.

What about with natural disaasters hit and people selflessly go down to the area to help? What about the human will to try to cure diseases and hunger in countries like Africa?

Theres so many good people in this world. And humans aren't perfect but nothing is. Good people greatly outnumber the bad. And if they didn't the whole world would be in ruins now. And it's not. Not even close.

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You haven't seen most of the world.

But I suppose this is where the argument ends and we simply have to agree to disagree.

I firmly believe that humans are born not evil, but nearly 100% selfish and are concerned with themselves as their primary goal and responsibility. However this isn't unusual, as all creatures of this earth act the same (as far as I know anyway). I DO agree that there a lot of good people, and it's good to see the reaction from people with your chemo. However, I believe there are WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY more terrible people than good, myself included. I admit, if I didn't know someone personally (like, in my family or a good personal friend of mine) I doubt I would so much as lift a finger to help them with their chemo. In fact I'd probably start forgetting about that person as soon as I stopped hearing whatever I was hearing, if not sooner. Am I terrible? Yes, most likely. But am I unusual? Not even a little bit.

You, most likely, believe the exact opposite, that people are good and that it's the few who make things bad for the many, while I believe that the many are to blame for everything, because without the many things don't happen.

We'll simply have to just disagree. But that's ok rebgirl, I still love ya and I'm glad we've had such an invigorating conversation :thumbsup:

I love ya too hun haha. You frustrate me but I like the compelling conversations in the political section.

Good show :)

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What then? Like if they DO somehow aquire nukes?

Depends on the situation. If they are extremely hostile we might have to strike.

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I figure the worst case scenario is someone DOES acquire nukes without anyone finding out, or builds them fast enough to get away with it, yeah, they'll launch them.


im not saying it's likely to happen soon or anything, but in the progression of things, a nuclear arms race could blow up in our face, no pun intended.

This reminds me of all the Soviet Union drama haha.

A nuclear attack is a very real possibility. But we have to bank on the fact that if someone does end up launching a nuke then their country has a VERY high chance of being destroyed right back.

But oh well. What can you do? Just sit back and pray it doesn't happen when your alive.

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This reminds me of all the Soviet Union drama haha.

A nuclear attack is a very real possibility. But we have to bank on the fact that if someone does end up launching a nuke then their country has a VERY high chance of being destroyed right back.

But oh well. What can you do? Just sit back and pray it doesn't happen when your alive.

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True that. I take back that "lets destroy now to protect the future" stuff. Fuck them, they're on their own. I'd prefer to survive for another 50 years or so. I always get passionate about politics and religion, then I stop and think for a moment. I always end up at the same conclusion; "What am I going to do about it? Oh yeah. Nothing. Oh well."

"praying" hasn't caused anyone to not do something. In fact, that would be the very last thing i'd do to stop an attack.

reminds me of a hilarious refrigerator magnet that said something like, "the allies in WWII tried to get supplies to some place that was getting bombed for days and days. However the bombing was so bad they couldn't deliver the supplies. Then a article was published in a newspaper to tell ppl to all pray at a certain time (like 7PM PST) for the bombings to stop, and after like the 12th day of this designated praying time, the bombings stopped."

it later said how powerful god and praying was to stop those bombings.

this magnet was on my moms fridge and i threw that POS away, because .... any rational and sane person could tell you.... THAT IS JUST RETARDED.

i chuckle as i think about it now... i guess we should all pray at one time, and "flood" that god with all these wonderful praises to stop IRAN from whatever the news is telling us their doing.

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i chuckle as i think about it now... i guess we should all pray at one time, and "flood" that god with all these wonderful praises to stop IRAN from whatever the news is telling us their doing.

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God has a new Spam filter to keep his inbox from being flooded this way.