People's opinion of the immunization against cervical cancer for girls

there has been alot of talk in the u.k about the new vaccine being introduced to prevent cervicle cancer, it has caused some controversy as its being offered to girls from the age of 12, and as cervicle cancer is commonly caused by std's many parents feel its wrong to give it to girls so young. i was wondering what people here thought about it?

my daughter is 7 this year and when she's 12 i'll probably get it done as i think every girl should have that protection, my daughter may not start having sex then but at least as she gets older i can know when she does, she'll be protected from one desease, i know i cant protect her from everything, but if i can protect her from cervicle cancer i will.

Research side effects to see if you want to risk your childs health with this. Its already being used here in the US and kids are already having side effects. I had an iss ue from day one with this. First off they are treating this a s a cure for cancer. There is no cure for cancer, it can only be put in remission so to call this a cure for cervical cancer is a lie. I would rsearch the shit out of it before you have this done to your kids. Don't be a guinea pig.

Preventing something and curing it are two completely different things.

I cannot answer for side effects.....not knowing enough about the vaccine itself but after watching my mother die a nice, slow, horrible death from ovarian cancer I most CERTAINLY would LOOK INTO a vaccine that may prevent something along that line for someine i love in the future.

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Originally Posted by killerweed420

Research side effects to see if you want to risk your childs health with this. Its already being used here in the US and kids are already having side effects. I had an iss ue from day one with this. First off they are treating this a s a cure for cancer. There is no cure for cancer, it can only be put in remission so to call this a cure for cervical cancer is a lie. I would rsearch the shit out of it before you have this done to your kids. Don't be a guinea pig.

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i so would look into it before actually going through with it, luckily for me i've got a few years yet until i'd need to make a firm discision and by then more of the drugs flaws will be known about atm there isn't much negative being portrayed in the media but once they start using it here they wont be able to hide any side effect.

what sort of side effects are being reported there?

im not really sure of the side effects but i deffinitly remember something on the news saying how there was a big problem with the vaccine i would think by the time your daughter is old enough they will have fixed all of the problems with the vaccine though, but like everyone else said i would be sure to be 100% sure its a safe thing before giving it to anyone i loved :p

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Originally Posted by shadow218

im not really sure of the side effects but i deffinitly remember something on the news saying how there was a big problem with the vaccine i would think by the time your daughter is old enough they will have fixed all of the problems with the vaccine though, but like everyone else said i would be sure to be 100% sure its a safe thing before giving it to anyone i loved :p

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damn right :thumbsup: overall i dont jump at the chance to let anyone inject anything into my kids imo we will never really know what you could trigger within someone by putting any man made drug into their system especially in the early years of life when devolpment is still so crucial, dont get me wrong there are many many drugs which have saved millions of lives but i am sceptical.

Its very wise to be skeptical......just dont toss the baby out with the bathwater. Vaccines are invented for a reason and watching someone die of cancer would be a REAL GOOD reason to look very strongly into things.

People like to be afraid of things like vaccines etc.....but those are most often people who have not come into close contact with whatever disease the vaccine is for. I'm a veterinary technician who deals with that kind of thing quite often.....but I can promise you that any people I know who's dog has had (or died of) a preventable disease like parvo always vaccinates their NEXT pet without fail.

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Its very wise to be skeptical......just dont toss the baby out with the bathwater. Vaccines are invented for a reason and watching someone die of cancer would be a REAL GOOD reason to look very strongly into things.

People like to be afraid of things like vaccines etc.....but those are most often people who have not come into close contact with whatever disease the vaccine is for. I'm a veterinary technician who deals with that kind of thing quite often.....but I can promise you that any people I know who's dog has had (or died of) a preventable disease like parvo always vaccinates their NEXT pet without fail.

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i totally get what you mean, and allthough i dont completely trust immunisations or many other medicines, i'm no fool and when medication is needed its needed, and thankfully its available.
i do like to be aware hence this thread really to find out more about it and peoples views and knowledge of it. really am curious about the side effects of the cirvicle cancer immunisation if anyone knows?

My sister had ovarian cancer 3 or 4 years ago. Seems to be doinf fine after chemo. Its like all cancers. Catch it soon enough and your prognosis is good. Catch it to late and you're screwed.

I think Garsdsil is fantastic, personally. I think all women eligible should receive it.

I want to correct some things though, the vaccine protects you against 4 types of the Human Papillomavirus, also known as HPV. HPV can result in genital warts and also cervical cancer. The vaccine does not prevent ALL cervical cancer, it just drastically reduces the chance of having it.

The reason this vaccine is so important is because men cannot be tested for HPV, so there's no way for a woman to know if her partner is a carrier. This means that even if you and your partner are clean on std tests, if he's had sex with even ONE woman before you, there's a risk of him having it and not knowing.

I'm scheduled to get the vaccine soon, and I didn't think twice about it.

Gardasil IS fantastic. Thanks to those of you who've got your facts straight on it, like Weedhound and Katyowns (always reliable voices of medical reason and sanity here).

You who mistrust vaccines need to spend one day, or maybe only a few hours, with one of the diseases they prevent. You'd change your tune quickly. No one can fully appreciate the prevention till you see what happens without it, and that's a hard thing to do with diseases that have almost been abolished because of vaccines. You're having to put faith in something you essentially can't see.

Gardasil vaccine is a wonderful advance in preventing a disease, but it's important that we be clear it doesn't cure cervical cancer. It immunizes against four of the major strains of the human papilloma virus (HPV) that, if women contract them through sexual contact, cause 70% of cervical cancers. So it prevents the HPV viruses that would later cause cancer by inoculating the recipient's body and causing its immune response to see those viruses as something she's already been exposed to, which prevents her from contracting them later from a sexual partner or spouse.

Any criticism that Gardasil is not to be trusted because it's man-made is ridiculous. The fact that it's man-made makes the inoculation/disease-prevention possible, and vaccination employs the very same process through which people develop natural immunities to certain viral diseases after they've contracted them.

There are no major problems with the vaccine other than some site reactions and soreness from the injections themselves, which all vaccines from the flu shot to the pneumonia vaccine have. A site reaction is a heck of a lot easier to deal with than a deadly cancer.

I believe everyone should get their daughters these vaccines and, if you're female and within the age range of up to 26 or 27, get them yourselves. I hope they can soon develop a similar vaccine that prevents HPV infection and transmission in young men. If I had a daughter, she'd have already had those immunizations. I have a son instead, and if and when the male version of the vaccine becomes available, I'll have him at the head of the line to get it.

ok check this out: Vaccine Safety Group Releases GARDASIL Reaction Report
there have deffinitly been problems with that vaccine at least two thirds of girls vaccinated reported problems in there every day lives

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Originally Posted by shadow218

ok check this out: Vaccine Safety Group Releases GARDASIL Reaction Report
there have deffinitly been problems with that vaccine at least two thirds of girls vaccinated reported problems in there every day lives

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Do't take this lightly it only protects against 4 strains of hpv out of 94. Vaccines themselves are not dangerouse the part that is is the fillers such as lead, murcury, and formaldihide. Personally I have choosen to stop all vaccinations to my child(2years old). Often many people have allergic reations to vaccinations and actuaqlly end up contracting the virus they are being vaccinated against. My daughter caught measels from he MMR vaccination. Ultimately all vaccinations create are super bugs that wipe out vast numbers of the population instaed of a small portion.

So long as your daughter practices safe sex and uses a condom she will not contract HPV. And just because you have HPV doesn't mean you will get cervicle cancer. Cervicle cancer rates are relitively low and regular Pap smears still remain the best prevention.

Do not vaccinate your daughters! They can make their own choice when they are 18, until then they should use a condom every time anyways, it is only six more years to wait.

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Originally Posted by Chronic Chrissy

So long as your daughter practices safe sex and uses a condom she will not contract HPV.

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This statement is very incorrect. Condoms reduce your chance of contracting HPV by 70%, they do not fully protect you. HPV does not require penetration to be spread, like other STD's.

i'm glad i started this thread as i really dont know much about it and i am certainly finding out more, i never thought it was a prevention of all types of cervicle cancer but didnt know the exact things it protected from, i stand by what i said about not completely trusting vaccines but then i dont completely trust anything, i just try to weigh up risk and benefit. and get as much information as possible to make an accurate and informed decision, instead of just flowing with the masses who do these things simply because someone told them to.

thanks for your responses its insightful :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by shadow218

ok check this out: Vaccine Safety Group Releases GARDASIL Reaction Report
there have deffinitly been problems with that vaccine at least two thirds of girls vaccinated reported problems in there every day lives

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You've misread that information. Please review it closely again. That's not at all what it says. It says that two-thirds (of the reported group, which is admittedly small because these are voluntarily reported events) required additional medical care, not that they reported problems in their everyday lives. They required additional care because they had site reactions such as numbness, tingling, injection soreness, etc.; because they fainted, which happens frequently to people getting injections; and possibly because a small amount have had neurological responses, many apparently because they got more than one vaccination at the same time, which makes it impossible to conclude that it was the Gardasil that caused the problem.

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Originally Posted by Chronic Chrissy

Do't take this lightly it only protects against 4 strains of hpv out of 94. Vaccines themselves are not dangerouse the part that is is the fillers such as lead, murcury, and formaldihide. Personally I have choosen to stop all vaccinations to my child(2years old). Often many people have allergic reations to vaccinations and actuaqlly end up contracting the virus they are being vaccinated against. My daughter caught measels from he MMR vaccination. Ultimately all vaccinations create are super bugs that wipe out vast numbers of the population instaed of a small portion.

So long as your daughter practices safe sex and uses a condom she will not contract HPV. And just because you have HPV doesn't mean you will get cervicle cancer. Cervicle cancer rates are relitively low and regular Pap smears still remain the best prevention.

Do not vaccinate your daughters! They can make their own choice when they are 18, until then they should use a condom every time anyways, it is only six more years to wait.

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This post is full of dangerous misinformation. Some facts it's important to correct:

• The vaccine only protects against four HPV strains, but those are the strains responsible for nearly 3/4 of cervical cancers. So it protects against the majority of cervical cancers.
• Vaccines don't create superbugs. They don't cause superbugs. Superbugs are something else entirely, like methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) bacteria, which doesn't have anything to do with vaccines. Superbugs are likely caused by antibiotic overuse and the fact that people don't finish all their antibiotics when they're prescribed.
• Vaccines do not wipe out vast numbers of any population. They've saved vast numbers of lives. Literally millions.
• Cervical cancer is one of the most common cancers affecting women. Not as common as colon cancer, lung cancer (or heart disease), but it still affects tens of thousands of women's lives a year. Easily enough to merit the development and use of a vaccine.
• Pap smears don't prevent HPV or cancer. They detect it. Big difference.
• True, HPV doesn't necessarily guarantee cervical cancer. Cervical cancer doesn't show up usually till middle age. But it makes it a heck of a lot more likely than if you didn't contract HPV disease all, and there are other HPV diseases like the warts themselves that cause other problems and so should be prevented against.
• Safe sex and a condom don't protect against HPV. Not by a long shot. As Katyowns said, the spread of HPV doesn't depend on penetration.
• Mainstream practitioners feel strongly that informed parents should vaccinate their daughters. The problem with letting girls wait till they're 18 and make their own choice about the HPV vaccination is that, for many of them, that's too late. HPV is rampant among the middle- and high-school aged kids. Statistically, girls are much more likely to have already been exposed to HPV by the time they're 18 than if they were vaccinated before they begin dating, petting, etc., which is why the 12 - 13 window is key.

People should talk to their doctors about vaccinations if they have questions, especially if there's a chance you could be the victims of anti-vaccine fear-mongering misinformation.

Already been 15 deaths reported and almost 8000 lawsuits filed already. That would be enough for me to take a good look at this before I had this stuff injected in my daughter. No thanks.
Gardasil Safety: Questions and Answers

Hi Dave. Seeing as you're the only doctor on the boards (and best of wishes to your wife in getting there too), I was just wondering what you think of Dr. Joseph Mercola (Natural Health Information Articles and Health Newsletter by Dr. Joseph Mercola). Dr. Mercola is an Osteopathic physician and public activist with a lot of controversial opinions. A lot of things he supports and opposses are really good, well-informed arguments that need to be made (ie. taking issue with corn syrup in all our food, aspertame, nutritional/diet issues, FDA regulations, emotional health etc). But then, as per his "controversial" title, I find myself questioning a lot of his claims too. Though he's the doctor, not me, of course.


Anywhoo, Mercola is very vocal about his opinion that vaccinations are overdone, sometimes dangerous, and often unnecessary. He points to the roughly 2% of children with mitochrondrial disorders that are at high risk for autism and other disorders (not from this vaccine in particular), and generally seems not-too-big on the whole mandatory vaccination issue. So I was wondering what you, as a quallified medical professional, thought about this guy and his opinions. Do you believe they have some merit, are unfounded, or perhaps a balance of both?


Oh I was also just curious, do you specialize in any particular medical field, or stick to the general practice? Just wondering. Thanks man. :jointsmile:

I'm in cardiology, Gandalf. Hence the heart in my avatar. To be in cardiology, docs first specialize in internal medicine, which is in-depth adult medical (as opposed to surgical) general practice that deals with non-cancer, non-surgical illnesses. You then have four years of cardiovascular medicine residency, but I also double-boarded in general surgery and took two extra years to squeeze in that additional residency training time because I wanted to do interventional cardiology, which involves more surgical procedures, and operate some, too.

Trying to get my wife to follow in the heart footsteps but she tells me it's boring because it deals with clogged pipes and crossed wires and is the domain of plumbers and electricians. She seems to be set on pediatrics or emergency medicine or both.

I think Dr. Mercola is an interesting and opinionated guy, like so many doctors. Osteopaths are very good about looking at the whole body system, which we allopaths often need to do a better job of. My impression is that lots of his opinions are rooted in truth. Most of us know, for instance, that high fructose corn syrup is a diabolically evil substance that is metabolically and glycemically harmful. There seems to be evidence that aspartame affects plenty of people negatively. Mercola preaches that Omega-3s and exercise and whole, fresh foods, grains, and fish are heart healthy and thinks people ought to limit red meat. Much of what he touts as great inside secrets is simply nutritional and medical common sense and not really earth-shattering news. I haven't read enough about his stance on vaccines to comment, but I'm sure he must have some credible facts upon which to base his opinions and I'll see if I can read about that in more detail. My wife has taught me to try and stay open to opinions like Mercola's and those of other doctors like Dr. Andrew Weil because she says I'm old-school about only trusting what other traditional MD-type doctors say and because, she says, integrated allopathic, osteopathic and naturopathic medicine is important to be informed about. She's a whole lot more of a medical hippie than I am, though. Plus it's been 25 years since I went through residency and there was a whole lot more discrimination back then about osteopaths. There's still a lot of discrimination against naturopathy/homeopathy in mainstream MD medicine, but I know there are lots of folks who swear by it and so won't try to dissuade them.

Did that answer your question?

That more than answer's my questions; much thanks Dave! They sure make you take a lot of extra school to specialize in something, especially after all the years it takes to become a regular doc. I've been bouncing back and forth about eventually going into med school myself; just keep having doubts about my ability to physically withstand the school and the work. If I did, though, I think Rheumatology or Oncology would be a really interesting practice to go into. Help people with illness and pain and whatnot.


Thanks for the thorough answer.

It seems silly to me to take the chance and vaccinate against something that is so easy to prevent and treat. Over in europe there are hospitals with a 95% success rate in treating cancers to the point when they go into remission and don't come back so long as the treatment and body state is maintained. What is this miricle treatment that is saving lives around the world but our FDA filters and does not acklnowledge or exercise? Plain old hydrogen peroxide. Which doesn't just work for cancer but a majority of other ailments our society suffers from.
Is you study and practice natural cures and homeopathic treatmeants it's not about treating the sickness or symptoms, it's about maintaining a state of balanced health throughout your whole body. Researchers have found a direct link between the overall pH of a person and the ailments diseases and cancers they have. Our lifesyles, diets, and acceptance of toxins in everything we do strips our body of oxygen and makes our scale tip to the acidic side. Our bodies are supposed to sit on the basic side of the range(which stabilizes more oxygen within the body system). If you maintain your body at a basic level (mind you this is not true according to the FDA and many of OUR trained doctors but is common practice and knowledge in may other parts or the world) You will not suffer from most of the sicknesses and illnesses that we consider common. We are not even supposed to catch colds!

Where are my facts to back this up. In books. Start by reading "Natural cures THEY don't want you to know about" by Kevin Trudeau. Skim through the repetitive bullshit and at least learn the teory cause he breaks it all down very well to make it easy to understand. Once you're done watch how much more you read about the topic he covered, and food lables, and skin care lables, and evaluate your drinking water, and also the way corporations make billions of dollars on drug sales.

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"This post is full of dangerous misinformation. Some facts it's important to correct:
The vaccine only protects against four HPV strains, but those are the strains responsible for nearly 3/4 of cervical cancers. So it protects against the majority of cervical cancers."

That we know of. There are new discoveries and connections being made in the cancer feild all the time. And often if we can see the connection or don't know how to detect the connection we write it off until a test is made to prove it accurate, it doesn't meant it doesn't exist.

"Vaccines don't create superbugs. They don't cause superbugs."

Maybe super bug is the wrong word. Vaccines introduce a dilluted inactive form of vaccine into our bodies immune system. This allows our bodie to learn how to fight it off, killing the weak forms of the strain that we can hand. But just like in an ecosystem if you remove the weak it leaves more resources for the strong and allows it to flourish, and when it flourishes it reproduces, spreading, and stronger. That's why vaccines have an expiry date, because the vaccine has to evolve and strengthen as the viruses do. Your Dr will tell you himself, a vaccine does not gaurentee you won't contract the virus.

"Vaccines do not wipe out vast numbers of any population. They've saved vast numbers of lives. Literally millions.
Cervical cancer is one of the most common cancers affecting women. Not as common as colon cancer, lung cancer (or heart disease), but it still affects tens of thousands of women's lives a year. Easily enough to merit the development and use of a vaccine."

Maybe not now, but since these are our children we are thinking about we really must place our prespective in the future. You must understand that our acceptance or dissmissal of this new vaccine will determine if drug companies can make the money they want off of it. If we let them make their money they will keep making the drug and supporting it. If we don't then they have to prove it to us and improve the vaccine, and when they see that the profit margin isn't big enough they will drop it to make more money somewhere else
There are many other ways to treat and prevent Cancer, and heart disease, just by banning your societies acceptance of fast food would make these rates and numbers drop dramatically, but McDonalds makes money and pays taxes so lets keep poisoning our people and teaching them to accept it as food.

"Pap smears don't prevent HPV or cancer. They detect it. Big difference."

HPV is not the dangerouse part. So many people have it and don't even know it that is why it is passed on so silently. Once it is detected it can be treated and monitored so that if Cervicle cancer does occure it can be caught and dealt with fast and effectively. Our onw doctors tell us the best treatment of cancer is and comes with early detection.

"True, HPV doesn't necessarily guarantee cervical cancer. Cervical cancer doesn't show up usually till middle age. But it makes it a heck of a lot more likely than if you didn't contract HPV disease all, and there are other HPV diseases like the warts themselves that cause other problems and so should be prevented against.
Safe sex and a condom don't protect against HPV. Not by a long shot. As Katyowns said, the spread of HPV doesn't depend on penetration."

If you want to go into more depth about this let us compare it to drug testing studies that we fight and bring truth to all the time. Many subjects are candidates for these studies because they use pot, but alot of them also smoke, drink and do other drugs, and their is neve any mention about how well they take care of their bodies. In the states you pay people to do tests, studies and to test out drugs. Don't you think some people are making an income off of it by just living their shitty life with no job but cashing in their abused body for every test they can.
My point is we don't know all the facts about the subjects and don't even know if there is a link we can't see. If a woman goes in unexpectanly pregnant and has herpes and 2 children from 2 different dads while they were a teenage chances are they don't practice safe sex, and that isn't someone I want drug information based on.
Oh and safe sex doesn't just refer to penitration, and that's not what we should be teaching our children. Safe sex involves everything from choosing a partner that isn't the player who has been in contact with every lady, to not sharing your girlfriends bathing suit.

"Mainstream practitioners feel strongly that informed parents should vaccinate their daughters. The problem with letting girls wait till they're 18 and make their own choice about the HPV vaccination is that, for many of them, that's too late. HPV is rampant among the middle- and high-school aged kids. Statistically, girls are much more likely to have already been exposed to HPV by the time they're 18 than if they were vaccinated before they begin dating, petting, etc., which is why the 12 - 13 window is key. "

With such a new vaccine it hasn't even been around long enough to see the effects on a person in the future. A vaccine shouldn't make us feel better about our children running around horney and out of control, or even make us feel better about our 17 year old that has had 5 different partners because that is so irresponible. We should be teaching our children the proper way to go about sex. We have too many teenage pregnancies and STDs. They solution is not drugs it is teaching our kids to control their emotions and make well thought through choices.

"People should talk to their doctors about vaccinations if they have questions, especially if there's a chance you could be the victims of anti-vaccine fear-mongering misinformation. "
Your Dr gets a bonus from the drug company every time he writes a script, or gives you a shot. Extra money in his pocket, so of course it is safe because he wants a new boat next summer. Not to metion our Doctors and specialists training include no teachings on natural cures and remedies. It is acutually illegal to market a natual treatment as a cure(there is a natural "cure" for herpes, but Every one knows there is no cure), because only a synthetic drug is able to cure people according to the law and FDA. Not to mention drug companies buy advertising in mediclae text books to ensure that Drs are taught to use their drug even though their are others out there texts include little or no information or metion of it.

You need to know the standards of the information you accessing and how that information came about to make an informed desicion. Marketing has so many loopholes and veils we are constantly being told about products, but when we actually read into them we are proven to have been misslead just to make a buck.

Chronic Crissy, I'm shocked to hear you mention Kevin Trudeau like some kind of messia. The guy is a scam-artist through and through. I don't mean just in relation to his "Natural Cures" book, you need only look at his history. In the early 90's he was sentenced to two years in prison for larceny. He posed as a doctor (which is certainly never was), obtained 11 credit card numbers from customers seeking to buy one of miracle products, then fraudulently charged them a total of $122,735.68 beyond the initial cost. He also was charged for depositing $80,000 in fake cheques.


Now he touts his "natural cures" nonsense while legitimizing himself by playing off people's distaste of the FDA and their unethical practices. I downloaded his book from isohunt (because I'd never give the SOB a dime), and all his "cures" are common-sense stuff that we already know. Cure for depression: B12, Omega-3's, sunlight, excercise, meditation. The rest of the book all pretty much reads like that. Trudeau is a scam artist, a hell of a salesman, and poor excuse for a human being.

On another note, homeopathy is based on dilluting solutions so much that not one molecule (though maybe one, if you're lucky) of the original product remains in the solution. It makes no sense to take actual supplements that work, and dillute and dillute until nothing remains. I even bought some arnica homeopathic medicine just to verify it's effectiveness or ineffectiveness for myself. Arnica is a plant containing natural anti-inflammatory and analgesic quallities btw. I took it exactly as prescribed, used the whole 2 weeks dose, and it made not even a slight difference in my pain levels.

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Chronic Crissy, I'm shocked to hear you mention Kevin Trudeau like some kind of messia. The guy is a scam-artist through and through. I don't mean just in relation to his "Natural Cures" book, you need only look at his history. In the early 90's he was sentenced to two years in prison for larceny. He posed as a doctor (which is certainly never was), obtained 11 credit card numbers from customers seeking to buy one of miracle products, then fraudulently charged them a total of $122,735.68 beyond the initial cost. He also was charged for depositing $80,000 in fake cheques.


Now he touts his "natural cures" nonsense while legitimizing himself by playing off people's distaste of the FDA and their unethical practices. I downloaded his book from isohunt (because I'd never give the SOB a dime), and all his "cures" are common-sense stuff that we already know. Cure for depression: B12, Omega-3's, sunlight, excercise, meditation. The rest of the book all pretty much reads like that. Trudeau is a scam artist, a hell of a salesman, and poor excuse for a human being.

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Messiah, no. He uses simple words stoners can understand and presents a perspective that gets people reading thinking and asking questions. If you base all your learnings on one book you're pretty lazy. You can't send people into a new feild of information and expect them to understand everything with out having a basic tutorial.

As for homeopatic remedies. No they don't all work for everyone, but unless you are visiting a homeopathic doctor who is giving you a full evaluation you can't write it off, for all you know your body may be so full oif toxins and chemicles from what you eat and use on your skin and body and it was unable to be effective.

My proof homepathic does work in cases. My daughter was colicy and very attacted, then she started teething and screaming at the top of her lungs no matter what we gave her. We picked up some Hylands Teething Tablets and the intant it touched her toungue she stopped. It contains small ammounts of camamillia, and was also effective in any instance where she was freaking out and working herself up.

As for Treudua being a scam artist, yes he is. But in this book he backs it all up with references, and if you do search out the information you will find it. He clearly states that he is not a doctor that he has gathered this information from a vast collection of resources.

Not to mention alot of things can be cured by making simple commonsense changes, but these days we seem to forget that. Every bump, bruise and cold sends people flocking into the doctors offices or pharmacy, and each one of these can me treated and relived by using hot and cold theapy and time. Same with headachs and migrains which are often cause by dialated blood vessels in you brain, when you stick your hand or foot in hot warter it redistriputes the blood supply and relives the tension and pressure.

I've seen doctors give patients with a cold antibiotics! and get paid by the injection, there are many Doctors who convince you you need drugs you don't or get people involved with Studies , both of which they get paid for every patient an prescription including vaccinations, they make millions to and are just as much scam artists.

One of the leading researchers for gaudasil said themselves that it was never intended to be given to girls so young because there is too little research and the research that has been done is poor.

Here is more gaurasil info for you

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Oh and these ladies know what they are talking about!

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So far, recipients of Gardasil have reported the following side effects:

* Deaths: As of April 2008, VAERS received 15 reports of death following Gardasil vaccination in the US. The CDC says it has not been able to establish a link between Gardasil and 10 of the deaths. The agency did not have enough information about the remaining five to make any determination.

* Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS): GBS is a is an inflammatory disorder of the peripheral nerves that can lead to temporary, yet total paralysis. GBS is a rare disorder, and there are approximately 1 to 2 cases in every 100,000 people per year. According to the CDC, as of April 2008, there were 31 cases of GBS reported after Gardasil administration. At the time of its report, the CDC had confirmed ten of those cases, and said five occurred when Gardasil was administered with another vaccine.

* Paralysis: The families of several young women believe that their partial or total paralysis stemmed from Gardasil. Thirteen-year-old Jenny Tetlock began experiencing muscle weakness about a month after receiving Gardasil. Within 15 months, the California native was almost completely paralyzed. Jenny's father has conducted a very public campaign to try to determine what role Gardasil played in his daughters condition. The families of two other teenage girls filed suit against Merck in 2008 for their daughters' partial paralysis following Gardasil administration. In some of the reports to VAERS, paralysis led patients to fall into a coma.

* Anaphylactic shock: Several cases of anaphylactic shock have reportedly occurred within minutes of the administration of Gardasil. Anaphylactic shock is a severe type of allergic reactions that can be life threatening.

* Grand Mal Seizure: In a few cases, patients experienced Grand Mal Seizure immediately after receiving Gardasil. Grand Mal Seizure involves a loss of consciousness and violent muscle contractions.

* Miscarriage: Dozens of miscarriages have occurred following the administration of Gardasil. In all of the cases, the women were not aware that they were pregnant at the time they received Gardasil.

* Blood Clots and Heart Failure: There have been several instances of blood clots and heart failure occurring after Gardasil was administered. In some of these instances, the blood clots were fatal.
(from Gardasil Side Effects Death Paralysis Anaphylactic Shock Grand Mal Seizure Miscarriage Blood Clots Heart Failure)

I've read a lot on the H2O2 theories too. Not a lot of facts to back them up. And of course no real science is being doneon it because nobody could make any money on it. Its just too cheap.
And if you can't make money with it, its not going anywhere.

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I've read a lot on the H2O2 theories too. Not a lot of facts to back them up. And of course no real science is being doneon it because nobody could make any money on it. Its just too cheap.
And if you can't make money with it, its not going anywhere.

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That's exactly it, the drug campanies can't patent a natural remedy and make mony off of it. If I recall correctly for every new drug a company puts out and patents, before the first dose is even sold, that company makes 3 billion dollars! It's just like using medicinal pot and can be compared to the quality of studies and how the findings are manipulated to say what makes the most money, if the studies are done at all.

Did you know that instead of taking antibiotics for full blown pink eye, you can shread a potatoes or apple and apply it to the infected eye for 20 minutes twice a day and your eye will clear up in as few as 2 days(Yes I have tested this myself). Every doctor has the teaching to make this connection between the healing uses of apples, potatoes, and tomateos, and could send all their patients home with these instructions, but they give you a script because they make money off of it, just like the give you antibiotics for a cold or flu, when they aren't effective against viruses.

The doctors get kick backs for handing out certain drugs too. Free golf trips and shit like that. Thats why all you see is pill pushers anymore. Not much doctoring going on.

Chrissy, you're what's known as a vaccine paranoiac, and that's not going to change. We won't try and change your mind because it's clearly made up. My husband has been on call this week and working 16-hour days, but he'll be back here when his work slows up.

I want to warn others please to not put any medical credence in what Kevin Trudeau says. He is indeed a non-medically trained scam artist. A convicted felon, in fact. He has sold a lot of books pretending to let people in on great medical and healing secrets, and what he's actually doing is attempting to sell people snake oil and his own products. He pretends as if he's communicating inside secrets and much of what he says is common knowledge portrayed as privileged inside information. His sources and facts have been debunked by a number of legitimate, credentialed health care practitioners, and he continues to get away with his scams but is currently under new investigations by the attorneys general in two states. Again, people need to be very wary of what Kevin Trudeau says. He is a convicted felon. His greatest achievement is his wealth as a seller of books and supplements to the uninformed.

One very important correction for you, Chrissy, and then I'll let you continue to believe what you want about other medical info as long as you don't endanger others with misinformation. For every section of your Gardasil adverse events above, by the way, there are documented non-Gardasil-connected reasons for those events. Seizures happened in epileptic patients. Blood clots to patients who were on oral birth control or were smokers and were at high risk for blood clots. Guillain-Barré Syndrome when it was attributable to Gardasil seemed to have happened when that vaccination was combined with other vaccines. People who are interested may receive fair and balanced information about risks and advantages from their physicians and read more about the adverse events at the VAERS Web site, vaers.hhs.gov.

Now, to set this record straight, physicians do not receive bonuses from drug companies every time they write prescriptions. That's a folklore that people who mistrust physicians enjoy believing, particularly Kevin Trudeau, who, as he's making that claim, is attempting to sell you his line of supplements, products and books.

Physicians prescribe drugs according to formularies that are set out by insurance companies. I can only laugh to think how hysterical it'd be if the system worked so that they were incented to write scripts for certain drugs! I'm afraid it doesn't, however. I'd like to invite you to come spend an afternoon with me and the various med students, residents and physicians at Parkland Hospital or to spend a few days shadowing my husband and his practice partners. You'll quickly see that physicians prescribe the drugs that insurance companies will cover. Those are defined in formularies, and the formulary standards pay for the cheapest generic drugs first, with no incentives to prescribing physicians, PAs or nurse practitioners who write the scripts. Insured patients are required by their plans to use the drugs listed in their plan formularies, which simply do not accommodate the most expensive brand-name drugs. Insurance companies monitor prescription drug expenses very closely and dictate, based on Medicare standards, what will and will not be covered. So doctors have to write scripts according to what their patients will be allowed to get by their insurance companies.

Pharmaceutical companies do provide samples to physicians so patients can try some of the newest brand name drugs. And they often provide discount cards or coupons to the patients themselves so that they can afford to try the brand names drugs that they wouldn't otherwise be able to pay for out of pocket. But I assure you that if you spent one hour in any physician's office or hospital, you'd quickly see that they prescribe the drugs that'll be covered and don't receive any sort of incentive for prescribing any of them, whether generics or brand new brand-name medicines. If Dave were online instead of at the hospital tonight, he'd invite you to come and review his books so you could see that there was no incoming incentive money from any drug companies. Most ethical physicians, particularly those in cardiology, who see large amounts of elderly patients, work very hard at remaining independent of any drug company influence so they can make free decisions on what to prescribe for patients according to what the patients can afford.

That may be how it works down there but 3 of my aunts have worked in the same doctors offices as well as others here in canada, and while there are some doctors who are better than others for writing scripts, the doctor that they all worked for at one time or another does get bonuses for giving out scripts and also gets paid a healthy sum for every patient he includes in "studies" where new drugs are given to patients who are more closely followed up. When my husband went through 4 studies for his asthma all having bad reations my aunt who was working there at the time informed me that he only had to get him to do one more study to by his new camper!, and that the next study the doctor already knew was probably going to casue a reation and even if it didn't it wouldn't improve his asthma. At that point I started to grill my aunts for every bit of information I could get from inside the horror show. Here it doesn't matter as much about insurance because if you have insurance through your work(free health care not drugs) almost everything is covered unless it is for quitting smoking, even birth control is free.
I can't give you stats about all the bad reations to vaccines I've heard of through my aunts because none of you can responsibly recognize it as accurate infomation, so it is pointless. But I can teel you My Daughter got her shots for the chicken pox before I found out all of this and she had a reaction. The next shot we went in for (her MMR) I didn't want to give here right away and clearly voiced my choice to delay it or not have it entirely. My doctor not only insisted by gave it to her while we were talking it over in the waiting room. 5 days later we were in and out of the hospital 7 times in 3 days, with spots rashs and extremely high fevers, and had a very sick baby! I found out from my aunt afterwards that for MMRs he get a $50 bonus!

There are good doctors out there that follow the rules and have their patients as their first priority. But there are also good doctors out there that follow the rules or dopn't and are motivated by the kick back.

I place my beliefs on vaccines close to Jenny Macarthneys, in that I believe that we are all individuals and one general vaccine for all in ineffective and dangerous because we all react differently. Vaccinations should be set up on an individual, or at least common group standard in which babies are tested and the vaccines are tailored to be most effective for the child recieving it. I also believe that we need to stop using dangerous fillers in our vaccines and replace them with something that is healthy to put in our body. It seemed like all my efforts to feed my family organic to avoid slowly poisoning them with pesticide covered un natural food was undone the second she got her first shot.

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The doctors get kick backs for handing out certain drugs too. Free golf trips and shit like that. Thats why all you see is pill pushers anymore. Not much doctoring going on.

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i dont think the common gp in the uk gets many benifits, though i agree they do tend to just write a script and get you out the door as quickly as possible, thankfully there are still good doctors out there who do their jobs well and for the right reasons.

sorry to hear about the bs chronic chrissy

i used to think vaccines are good, but look at what makes them up and you will think differently. they are made with neurotoxins and hazards waste byproducts

garbisil(sp?) is the hpv vaccine they are pushing real hard right now. there have been many young girls that have dies almost instantly after getting the shot. the girls are also having adverse reactions and is harming them internally.

all vaccines should be looked at on an individual level not as a whole because every human body reacts differently to different compounds

I got the shot a few years ago and I'm glad I did. Set of 3 shots spaced apart.

HPV and cervical cancer are two things I do NOT want.

If I had a daughter she would definately be getting it.

Oh and I wanted to mention that these bad reactions only happen to a very select few and the pro's definately outweigh the cons. You can't let 1% of the population distract you from the fact that 99% of the kids who get vaccines are fine! And healthier to boot!

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I got the shot a few years ago and I'm glad I did. Set of 3 shots spaced apart.

HPV and cervical cancer are two things I do NOT want.

If I had a daughter she would definately be getting it.

Oh and I wanted to mention that these bad reactions only happen to a very select few and the pro's definately outweigh the cons. You can't let 1% of the population distract you from the fact that 99% of the kids who get vaccines are fine! And healthier to boot!

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the drug is so new you don't know that yet

It has most definately gone through the proper tests. If it wasn't the FDA would have never put it out there.

I'll take my chances.

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It has most definately gone through the proper tests. If it wasn't the FDA would have never put it out there.

I'll take my chances.

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the fda does put drugs out that have not been tested and they give them a temp. approval labels to go on them. my father is takings some that has the temp. not approved labels from the va
we simply dont have enough people working in the fda to do effective testing.
most the people working for the fda are people that have worked/have interest in drug companies. so you are getting bais information.

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It has most definately gone through the proper tests. If it wasn't the FDA would have never put it out there.

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tests should take at least one full life time before conclusions are made. the fda has one concern-money, and the drug industry is a cash cow they are milking to the last drop! the vaccine is just too new to have had tjme to complete a test, nevermind the actual anylsis of the findings.

Cancer Vaccine Linked to Pancreatitis



Sylvia Booth Hubbard
Tuesday, September 2, 2008

Gardasil, the cervical cancer vaccine, which is being advised for all young women, may be causing pancreatitis, a painful, debilitating disease that can be fatal. Australian sources reported that three women developed pancreatitis shortly after receiving the vaccine.

Gardasil protects women from strains of the HPV (human papillomavirus) that cause 70 percent of all cervical cancer. But numerous cases of young women being stricken with various potentially deadly complications have arisen all over the world. Eighteen deaths have been reported as well as 8,000 adverse reactions which include paralysis and seizures. Australia alone reported over 1,000 suspected reactions to the vaccine, although most were not life-threatening and included headaches, dizziness and vomiting.

Acute pancreatitis is characterized by sudden, severe abdominal pain. Pancreatic enzymes burn and irritate the pancreas, then leak out into the abdominal cavity. Complications can include heart, respiratory or kidney failure, all of which can be fatal.

Dr. Amitabha Das, writing in the Medical Journal of Australia, said, â??We suggest that pancreatitis be considered in cases of abdominal pain following HPV vaccination.

Small Pox Vacines have virtually wiped out that desease from the world (not completly but that is why we get our kids vacinated). Polio Vacines have done the same. Amazing that someone would consider not getting a vacine offered to their baby. Measels Mumps and Rubella, i think is the MMR (these were baby killers in the past, getting them at an older age as a child after vaccine they are mild forms of the sickness). Tho those have not been wiped out, they are under control. Children used to die regularly of these three. My Father had polio, NO ONE wants to see that come back.
Whooping Cough, no one wants that or Rumatic Fever either. Without our childeren getting vacinated, we do put them at risk, and we put at risk the population of our nation. As the Vet said......when a person has a dog who died from a preventable desease, garunteed they get the vacination for thier next pet. That would be a very hard lesson to learn if it was a child and not a dog.
If I was young I would get the vaccine, to old now but my daughter had it done and got in just under the age wire.

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Small Pox Vacines have virtually wiped out that desease from the world (not completly but that is why we get our kids vacinated). Polio Vacines have done the same. Amazing that someone would consider not getting a vacine offered to their baby. Measels Mumps and Rubella, i think is the MMR (these were baby killers in the past, getting them at an older age as a child after vaccine they are mild forms of the sickness). Tho those have not been wiped out, they are under control. Children used to die regularly of these three. My Father had polio, NO ONE wants to see that come back.
Whooping Cough, no one wants that or Rumatic Fever either. Without our childeren getting vacinated, we do put them at risk, and we put at risk the population of our nation. As the Vet said......when a person has a dog who died from a preventable desease, garunteed they get the vacination for thier next pet. That would be a very hard lesson to learn if it was a child and not a dog.
If I was young I would get the vaccine, to old now but my daughter had it done and got in just under the age wire.

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the decline of diseases can be related to cleaner water supplys and more sanitation throughout the world,

in 1991 was the last case of polio origional in the usa in texas and the world health organization has declared the whole western hemisphere eraticated of polio. there have been about 10 cases of polio in the past 10 years atleast and they came from overseas(reported in usa)

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Small Pox Vacines have virtually wiped out that desease from the world (not completly but that is why we get our kids vacinated). Polio Vacines have done the same. Amazing that someone would consider not getting a vacine offered to their baby. Measels Mumps and Rubella, i think is the MMR (these were baby killers in the past, getting them at an older age as a child after vaccine they are mild forms of the sickness). Tho those have not been wiped out, they are under control. Children used to die regularly of these three. My Father had polio, NO ONE wants to see that come back.
Whooping Cough, no one wants that or Rumatic Fever either. Without our childeren getting vacinated, we do put them at risk, and we put at risk the population of our nation. As the Vet said......when a person has a dog who died from a preventable desease, garunteed they get the vacination for thier next pet. That would be a very hard lesson to learn if it was a child and not a dog.
If I was young I would get the vaccine, to old now but my daughter had it done and got in just under the age wire.

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after my aughter had a reaction to her mmr we decided on no more vaccines for her and our next. there are whole communities of no-vax families whose children are clearly heathier, suffer less allergies, less asthma, and far lower rates of add/adhd. putting toxins in our babies bodies is not the answer.