Barack Obama's Plan for Giant Police Force

Tuesday, July 15, 2008

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Barack Obama's plan
for giant police force

Exclusive: Joseph Farah exposes senator's desire
for military-sized 'civilian national security force'

Posted: July 15, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
By Joseph Farah

With all the reporters covering the major presidential candidates, it amazes me no one ever seems to ask the right questions.

For several days now, WND has been hounding Barack Obama's campaign about a statement he made July 2 in Colorado Springs â?? a statement that blew my mind, one that has had me scratching my head ever since.

In talking about his plans to double the size of the Peace Corps and nearly quadruple the size of AmeriCorps and the size of the nation's military services, he made this rather shocking (and chilling) pledge: "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Now, since I've never heard anyone inside or out of government use the phrase "civilian national security force" before, I was more than a little curious about what he has in mind.

Is it possible I am the only journalist in America who sought clarification on this campaign promise?

What does it mean?

If we're going to create some kind of national police force as big, powerful and well-funded as our combined U.S. military forces, isn't this rather a big deal?

I thought Democrats generally believed the U.S. spent too much on the military. How is it possible their candidate is seeking to create some kind of massive but secret national police force that will be even bigger than the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force put together?

Now, maybe he was misquoted by the Congressional Quarterly and the Chicago Tribune. I guess it's possible. If so, you would think he would want to set the record straight. Maybe he misspoke. That has certainly happened before. Again, why wouldn't the rest of my colleagues show some curiosity about such a major and, frankly, bone-chilling proposition?

Are we talking about creating a police state here?

The U.S. Army alone has nearly 500,000 troops. That doesn't count reserves or National Guard. In 2007, the U.S. Defense budget was $439 billion.

Is Obama serious about creating some kind of domestic security force bigger and more expensive than that?

If not, why did he say it? What did he mean?

So far, despite our attempts to find out, the Obama campaign is not talking.

At this point all I can do is enlist your help â?? and the help of every other journalist who still thinks the American people have a right to know the specifics about a presidential candidate's biggest and boldest initiatives before the election. I also want to ask radio talk-show hosts across America to start asking this same question. I have a feeling if others join our quest, we might yet get clarification on this proposal from Obama.

Who will Obama appoint to administer this new "civilian national security force"? Where will the money come from? Where in the Constitution does he see justification for the federal government creating such a domestic army?

The questions are endless.

But before we can hope to get to the specifics, we need much more in the way of generalizations from Obama.

Certainly there have been initiatives like this elsewhere â?? Cuba, the Soviet Union, China, Venezuela, North Korea. But has anything like this ever been proposed in a free country?

I have a feeling there would be more questions from the press if I myself had proposed the creation of something as preposterous as a "civilian national security force" than there has been about this proposal by the presidential candidate currently leading in most of the polls. I'm quite sure I would be hung out to dry as some kind of Nazi thug. Meanwhile, Obama makes this wild suggestion and it is met with a collective yawn from the watchdogs.

Help me out here. What am I missing?

Can I get a hand?

We already have this thanks to Bush and his chronies. Its called Blackwater and others.

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Originally Posted by killerweed420

We already have this thanks to Bush and his chronies. Its called Blackwater and others.

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They arent nearly as big as any of our military forces. This is talking about a national police state. Nothing surprising from a socialist though.

police state + me = homicidal/suicidal maniac rampage :D



i'll have fun, will YOU?

Well, I think you are giving him too much credit. I don't think it's exactly his plan. He is just the top sheep, the only thing that is new at all about any of his "ideas" is that they are at their core un-American. There that should pick this thread up a little. Bunker down prepare for the onslaught of ignorance as the worshipers file in!
He is just figure head of the moment for that ideology. But you are right on.:jointsmile::thumbsup::jointsmile:

Those are some funny ass pics!:D

1984 here we come!!! The man scares the shit out of me. He is either a Socialist or Fascist but I can't determine which one. I have to agree with Kush, I think he is nothing more than the voice behind a darker organizations ideals.

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Originally Posted by killerweed420

We already have this thanks to Bush and his chronies. Its called Blackwater and others.

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IMHO you have hit the nail on the head. Obama is, no doubt, acknowledging the political clout that those types of firms (I'm thinking Halliburton as a top example) have already in this country, and that without guaranteeing that they will not be forced to be significantly downsized with decreased government contracts after the war, the presidency will be that much harder for him to gain. In non-wartimes, police, 'public safety', and prisons are top choices for military type contractors to involve themselves with, and Halliburton is already involved in building 'quarantines' where infected individuals my be held indefinitely if they are thought to be infected with something contagious and incurable... but that won't EVER be used to hold dissenters against their will without charges, of course! :rolleyes:
KBR awarded Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M - MarketWatch
Secular Front: Halliburton to build mass detention centers in the US

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

IMHO you have hit the nail on the head. Obama is, no doubt, acknowledging the political clout that those types of firms (I'm thinking Halliburton as a top example) have already in this country, and that without guaranteeing that they will not be forced to be significantly downsized with decreased government contracts after the war, the presidency will be that much harder for him to gain. In non-wartimes, police, 'public safety', and prisons are top choices for military type contractors to involve themselves with, and Halliburton is already involved in building 'quarantines' where infected individuals my be held indefinitely if they are thought to be infected with something contagious and incurable... but that won't EVER be used to hold dissenters against their will without charges, of course! :rolleyes:
KBR awarded Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M - MarketWatch
Secular Front: Halliburton to build mass detention centers in the US

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Maybe it's just me, but I'm really confused by your post in relation to the original artcile posted. Hit the nail on the head?

It sounds as though you're saying that Obama is just going to cater to these corporate entities like the rest of the politicians but at the same time you don't directly call him out on it but kind of shuffle around it by saying

"and that without guaranteeing that they will not be forced to be significantly downsized with decreased government contracts after the war, the presidency will be that much harder for him to gain."

Are you saying that Obama is like every politician (no argument here.. 100% agreement from me) in that he's going to cater to big business and his criticism of other officials such as Bush or McCain are almost hypocritical?

Or did I miss the nail altogether here?

**confused** :wtf:

I think it has everything to do with the original post.

What I was trying to get at is that yes, in our system as it is, in order for a politician to get elected, he or she has to have at least a positive relationship with big business, and I think Obama is simply another politician working within the same framework as others before him.

Security and security-related contracts are businesses, obviously; the promise to create more security related jobs will earn him, if not outright support from these businesses/contractors, at least satisfaction that they will not be forced to downsize after the war has ended, resulting in stock losses and personnel cuts.

So taking it that last step to call him out for planning to do exactly what he is criticizing his opponents for, but in perhaps less obvious ways, yes, I certainly see a level of hypocrisy in that.

Everything I have stated in this and the last post is a very strong example of why I find 'politics' so distasteful.

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

I think it has everything to do with the original post.

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I did state I was confused. ;) and thank you for the clarification. Now I understand what you were trying to say. It takes my brain a little while to get the gears moving lately since I've been recooperating the last month or so.

Good post :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

I think it has everything to do with the original post.

What I was trying to get at is that yes, in our system as it is, in order for a politician to get elected, he or she has to have at least a positive relationship with big business, and I think Obama is simply another politician working within the same framework as others before him.

Security and security-related contracts are businesses, obviously; the promise to create more security related jobs will earn him, if not outright support from these businesses/contractors, at least satisfaction that they will not be forced to downsize after the war has ended, resulting in stock losses and personnel cuts.

So taking it that last step to call him out for planning to do exactly what he is criticizing his opponents for, but in perhaps less obvious ways, yes, I certainly see a level of hypocrisy in that.

Everything I have stated in this and the last post is a very strong example of why I find 'politics' so distasteful.

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I would like to ask you if you realize what you are saying indicates that Defense contractors are the real source of terrorism?


everything that can be used to create a good world must have opposites.


What is the anti-politics?



WE are. the PEOPLE.


death is a must if AMERICA is going to be brought back to life.


This isn't America anymore. it never was. we started the idea of America, but so far no congress or president has run with the idea of AMERICA. rather, they all have simply become corporate pawns, leaders, and scum. :mad:



When, how, where are human beings going to fight for America?

im tired of waiting.

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

I would like to ask you if you realize what you are saying indicates that Defense contractors are the real source of terrorism?

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I would not go so far as to say that, and I don't think that pinpointing one single source of terrorism is possible.

Certainly I believe that defense contractors and terrorists alike are susceptible to the same arms races that formal military organizations are, and play off of each other. The same can also be said for the police vs. criminal arms races. As new technology reaches one, the other scrambles to counter it and trump it.
Also, the presence of a extramilitary security force in a region, using Blackwater as an example, can certainly be seen as incendiary when viewed from the perspective of a resident of that region who does not appreciate the presence of an occupying force that does not answer to 'normal' diplomatic relations, in the way that the presence of a non-police militia group may be unsettling to the other residents of a community. However, that does not make Blackwater a terrorist organization in and of itself. There are certain legal tests to determine whether a group may be considered a terrorist organization; we would have to apply those tests to certain incidents that an extramilitary force is involved in before putting that label on them.

Beyond that, however, I think your statement is off the mark.

oh, no no no no no, i was not pointing out any single source, but one of many.

i meant the source of terrorism in America...


i honestly dont see what ANYONE else has to GAIN from terrorizing America more than defense contractors.

Howdy Y'all,

From the article:

"In talking about his plans to double the size of the Peace Corps and nearly quadruple the size of AmeriCorps and the size of the nation's military services, he made this rather shocking (and chilling) pledge: "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.""

And consider this:

"Are we talking about creating a police state here?

The U.S. Army alone has nearly 500,000 troops. That doesn't count reserves or National Guard. In 2007, the U.S. Defense budget was $439 billion.

Is Obama serious about creating some kind of domestic security force bigger and more expensive than that?"

I think that Obama best explain himself pretty soon on this idea of his,as it sounds like Orwell's '1984' on steroids.

It seems to me,that Obama is seeking to put into place,a massive goverment expansion,sort of a nanny-police state..what will this 'force' enforce or do,that isn't already being done ?

Will they run off the gangs ? Enforce political-correctness ? Look for un-American activities ? Enforce immigration laws ?

Have a good one ...

PS: I know one thing-I dang sure don't want the boy that's crapping on the flag,to be a part of any 'civilian defence force' !

Howdy Torog,

It is just part of his master plan....

Bigger Goverment,
Bigger taxes,
Bigger mess.


He is such and empty suit, he needs 300 people advising him on forign affairs right now. 300 people.......on just that topic. What a loser.

hope all is well Torog

and just think he hates white people... ever threw his white grandma under the bus.

Howdy Bong,

Daggum..Obama has 300 people advising him on foreign policy ? Sounds like he's gittin a crash course..lol. :D

I'm glad to see ya still around ! :thumbsup: Everything's okay,just fighting to stay cool in this Texas summer heat..lol..how are y'all faring ?

Have a good one ! :jointsmile:

TOROG! The only poster on a hemp forum more right wing than myself. :thumbsup: Hope all is well...

McCain is FAR from being my first choice for President but he sure beats the hell out of Obama. This man has a different face for every crowd but like all left wing candidates one thing's for sure, bigger government deciding what you can or cannot do. Tap your phones, take away your guns, then decide what's best for you with your own health.....the Obama way of change I guess. The man's got a hell of a record so far but the question is whether or not HE (and his followers) feels it should be discussed!

-For gun bans then against them
-Against FISA then for it
-Surge won't work....hell of a job done by the troops
-Bring them home in "09".....as situation on the ground permits
-Can't disown Rev. Wright, he's like family.....bye, bye assclown!
-William Ayres is just a friend....I'll do away with terrorism!
-Affordable health care....My ol' lady thanks you all for the $200,000/yr raise

I find it amazing that the same talk he used to beat out Hillary is now a thing of the past with his "revisions"; but are we allowed to discuss that?

RUSH: With Obama we started out, we couldn't talk about his big ears 'cause that made him nervous. We've gone from that to this: Not only can we not mention his ears...

We can't talk about his mother.

We can't talk about his father.

We can't talk about his grandmother unless he does, brings her up as a "typical white person."

We can't talk about his wife, can't talk about his preacher, can't talk about his terrorist friends, can't talk about his voting record, can't talk about his religion.

We can't talk about appeasement.

We can't talk about color; we can't talk about lack of color.

We can't talk about race. We can't talk about bombers and mobsters who are his friends. We can't talk about schooling. We can't talk about his name, "Hussein."

We can't talk about his lack of experience. Can't talk about his income. Can't talk about his flag pin.

This started out we can't call him a liberal.

It started out we just couldn't talk about his ears.

Now we can't say anything about him.
Things You Can't Say About Obama

Add to the list:
FISA
Gun Controll
Stance on Iraq

What your gonna find in here Torog is the left wing chanting of his position on medical marijuana. Has he introduced any bill regarding this issue in his career as a POLITICIAN? If so, PLEASE show the bill!

Have a good one!:s4:

P4B,

Has he introduced any bill at all? I don't think he has even led anything in the Senate... Simply follows others and votes... Am I wrong?

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Simply follows others and votes... Am I wrong?

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First you have to look at what his party stands for then what will get him possibly elected. His vote for FISA, change in stance on an Iraqi withdrawl, gun control, Israel, etc.... The dude is a joke for a candidate. He'd better get a strong V.P. or he's sunk!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

It is funny to see that you cant stay on topic because of your anti-Obama fervor, bad mod, go sit in the corner, rofl.

If you want to talk about a joke of a candidate, I find McCain much more funny. A man that endorses a 100 year iraq war, wants to drill our coasts (and even admits spills might happen, further polluting not only our world, but our actual nation too, lol) and only has time to mud sling. He "takes pride" in being a liberal repub, but when he needs to win his party over, he flip flops like a fish out of water (not saying Obama is much better, just pointing it out). He stages an appearance with Hybid cars, but his solution to high gas prices is to drill more. He claims to know how to win wars when his experience is limited to Vietnam (we lost that one, remember?).

As for McCain, he better get a good VP cause he is so old he might not survive his whole term (not really, but you seem to dislike punches being pulled for Obama, so I'm sure you are fine with me saying that ;))

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

First you have to look at what his party stands for then what will get him possibly elected. His vote for FISA, change in stance on an Iraqi withdrawl, gun control, Israel, etc.... The dude is a joke for a candidate. He'd better get a strong V.P. or he's sunk!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

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He's sunk, no matter who his vp is. A little optomistic don't you think P4B?:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by LegalizeTheGreen

It is funny to see that you cant stay on topic because of your anti-Obama fervor, bad mod, go sit in the corner, rofl.

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"This man has a different face for every crowd but like all left wing candidates one thing's for sure, bigger government deciding what you can or cannot do."

Selective reading on your behalf but it's o.k.....I see you kept to the subject matter.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH

He's sunk, no matter who his vp is. A little optomistic don't you think P4B?:jointsmile:

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I hear ya. Ever hustle pool? Always a good thing for the sucker to think he has a chance.:lol5:

Have a good one!:s4:

Howdy Psycho4Bud,

Lol..thanx for the complement ! :thumbsup: I'm proud to be a member of the VRWC(Vast Right-wing Conspiracy) to save America from the liberals and the VLWC. :D

Sadly,I came back here to inform y'all of Classicat's passing and couldn't resist coming into the politics forum.

There's no doubt about it-Obama will be a disaster for America and our allies,his promises of appeasement,apology and retreat,will only give the enemy time to re-group and launch new attacks against the Free World.

I refuse to be 'p-c',when it comes to Obama ! :mad:

Have a good one ! :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy Psycho4Bud,

Lol..thanx for the complement ! :thumbsup: I'm proud to be a member of the VRWC(Vast Right-wing Conspiracy) to save America from the liberals and the VLWC. :D

Sadly,I came back here to inform y'all of Classicat's passing and couldn't resist coming into the politics forum.

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No problem...didn't think you would mind.:D

I read your thread on that...sorry to hear it. Best wishes to the family my friend.

Have a good one!:s4:

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Originally Posted by Torog

In talking about his plans to double the size of the Peace Corps and nearly quadruple the size of AmeriCorps and the size of the nation's military services, he made this rather shocking (and chilling) pledge: "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

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Without the whole original quote or the rest of what Obama was talking about, it's hard to say exactly what this snippet means, but I DO NOT read it as calling for a national police force! The Peace Corps and AmeriCorps are not police organizations! Ha ha! Haven't you ever heard of these organizations?

It sounds like to me Obama is saying that the real solutions to some of the national security problems we face are not MILITARY solutions. A lot of the extremism we face in the world is fueled by poverty and desperation, and orgainzations like the Peace Corps and AmeriCorps work to solve those kinds of problems. So I think the point Obama is making is that if we can promote the kind of problem solving that the Peace Corps and AmeriCorps do, then it will have national security benefits that the military cannot provide.

It's equally important to prevent people from becoming terrorists and extremists as it is to kill them after they become terrorists and extremists.

Actually these programs were taking a HUGE bump due to all the "free college" in Obama's plan. Next thing we'll need is a seperate government agency to make sure these people actually show up for service.:rolleyes:

Have a good one!:s4:

haha i like you guys, P4B and Torog! i dont care about the political opinions involved, you guys are actually just down to earth enough to recognize that differing opinions dont really make the person, you allow everyone their say!

and P4B doesnt usually call people out until they REALLY deserve it, and Torog is so level headed he could put shelves up with it!


and here i am the opposite political mind of y'all and still respect ya so my question is now not why are politics the controlling force, politically, but why does it affect people's opinions of each other so drastically, why does it control us mentally?


obviously not us three, i see too well that you two dont let it get in the way of being HUMAN.


but as for the actual politicians... i cant say as much.


Torog for president!
P4B for president! the losing cannidate can be the vice! :D

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

so my question is now not why are politics the controlling force, politically, but why does it affect people's opinions of each other so drastically, why does it control us mentally?


obviously not us three, i see too well that you two dont let it get in the way of being HUMAN.

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Politics can be intoxicating in a way and just like at the bar, some people shouldn't be there due to the "Lifesyles of the drunk and stupid" syndrome. I got a couple of friends and family that are hard core dems....we have our lil' debates but it's all in fun.

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

but as for the actual politicians... i cant say as much.


Torog for president!
P4B for president! the losing cannidate can be the vice! :D

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LOL....I think that Torog would make a fine V.P. :D That type of statement didn't work to well for Clinton did it? Seriously though, Torog seems to be an honest man with a good sense of right and wrong....he'd make a fine President; better than what's being offered from either side for sure!:thumbsup:

By the way, when ya get down to it, I think there are a fine group of posters in this forum....the type that would share their last joint with ya. I tip my hat to ya all.....:joint1:

Have a good one!:s4:

yeah there's a good handful of us on here that are worthy of the hat tip.


oh and i just recently got the coolest hat TO tip to y'all too! i'll have to get up a screen of it some day.

well in any case, back on topic right?



as a survivalist: i shall kill the Police State coppers till i die :D better dead and free than living and enslaved i say.