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I dont understand why "we" must be so politically biased, not for liberals or conservatives, but for politics itself.
we seem to always have to have some sort of political scheme about us.
why do politics rule the world, and why does the world allow it?
IF i could, i would live out in the middle of nowhere in a remote tribal village that the "civilized" world knew nothing about!
nowhere in america like that, far as i know.
Every tribal set up has a "leader"....now your back into politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
Have a good one!:s4:
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
The difference being that dissenters can be exiled to freedom, whereas in "the civilized" world they are exiled to prison... :wtf:
Something tells me that the industrial revolution has a lot to do with things, but on the side note, i do understand how politics play a part in everything, big and small, it is just that i am very dissatisfied with a lot of the political crap that is going on right now, and has been for the last 8 years.
that and the whole prohibition thing for the last 70 years... which is accomplishing more harm than good, and yet gets by uninhibited... i think that's the major deal for me, that i cannot, and refuse to tolerate. if i knew how it was able to BE that way, i could try to make a change... but none of it makes sense from where i am standing.
maybe you can tell me where to stand to make sense of it all.
8 years? Well, make that about 30 for me and it's probably more for members that are older than me....if that's possible. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
On military issues I'd be considered as far right and for other issues such as drugs, abortion, and gay marriage, just to name a few, I'm far left. I recall Clintons first term; "Ya I toked but didn't inhale"....Gores response; "I did inhale". I thought HELL YEAH but wtf happened? One of the largest esculations of the war on drugs that we've seen from these hypocritical pricks!:mad:
Unlike most politicians or some of the brainwashed people that support a candidate (no matter how big of an assclown they are) just hold to YOUR beliefs no matter how popular or not! Since I support the war on terror and the removal of Saddam I've been accused in here of being anti-medical m.j. and working for the GOP! Typical one party line bullshit from people that probably don't have a bag in their house and/or have never even tried to grow their own crop. "I don't see how a republican backer can say they are for marijuana"....I've gotten stupid ass comments like this not to mention rep on this order. So what political party has exclusive rights to ALL m.j. users? If you smoke pot now you have to back a certain party because of it? Get a grip!!:S4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
Fact is that as unpopular my opinion is in here on the right wing issues, my opinion is about as popular about legalization of all drugs in "real life". I REFUSE to piss in anybodys cup for tests and when discussions about issues happen with my "peers" I hold true to my beliefs whether they like it or not. I may not be climbing up the social ladder in my area but at least I'm not a hypocrit or living in fear of what others think. With that, my bills are still all paid and I live a comfortable life. HOLD TRUE TO YOURSELF!!:angry3:
Check out the forums here on medical marijuana and activism; there is a movement and progress IS being made but we're fighting against a system. In my humble opinion we have ONE major issue with our government that won't change unless there is a ballot on a national election: term limits for both Congress and Senate. What have these 10, 20,30 year candidates done for YOU lately?
Have a good one!:s4:
so.... politics is all jsut a huge god fucking damned popularity party!
GET A FUCKING GRIP IS RIGHT!
Politics should not hold so much weight over everything when a nation becomes so diverse, in fact politically, we should be as diverse as our PEOPLE.
PEOPLE is what it is all about, but not to those in charge, for them it is money, prestige, and power. and yet...! there doesnt seem to be a damned thing a guy like me or you can DO about it.
I TRY to stay a good 500 miles from politics, but when it hits you in the private sanctuary of your own free will, it's hard not to want to suicide bomb people!
all i care about in life is simplicity, to be most honest.
Grow my pot for food, clothing, shelter, and recreation, grow my own fruits and vegetables, and THAT'S ALL FOLKS!
NOWHERE left on american soil that one can do that as near as i can discern. and the cost of relocating is so far beyond my means that i MIGHT AS WELL consider suicide bombing the white house!
NOT that i would, because despite how shitty the quality of it seems right now, i still value my life. but still!
WHERE can i get a job? NOWHERE, CAN i go to college?! I DONT KNOW. what good will it do for me, to abandon my dream of a simple life anyways? i could try college, become successful at something and make tons of money, but i would find no happiness in that when all i want is sustainment, entertainment, and sleep.
and not entertainment via media, get real, i want to be able to wake up in the morning and look around and see nature, trees, mountains, water, LIFE. not all this incessant rat race designed concrete and steel. i feel trapped in politics with no way out. no way to be free, to be independent. :mad:
P.S. there should be term limits on EVERY political field and document. we're supposed to be a diverse, independent, FREE nation.... cant do that when ANYONE has the capacity to abuse their power.
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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
No matter how much we have covered up our natural selfs and transformed into what society has driven upon us since birth. We still have the need to fight, kill, steal, etc. Man with what we understand must be controlled in order for us to live the way we do in society today. Theirs a down to every up in life. Without order there would be chaos, people do not abide by laws in large groups with law, what about without law. I am aginst all the government has done in todays era but even know there may be corruption, in order to have civilized society you must have a higher power to re-think on when making action, not everyones a kind soul.
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NATURE is the ONLY "higher" power i know, acknowledge, or accept!
MAN IS MAN; you are no higher or lower than i or anyone else, and to think such is to tell me you want me to kill you.
IN my absolute MOST HONEST opinion that is.
:mad: fuck man-as-a-higher-power.
There is chaos right now. Law and order isn't going to help you when you're confronted by some thug, everyone should carry a gun because law abiding citizens far out number criminals and if everyone was armed it would be a hell of a lot harder to rape, rob and murder.Quote:
Originally Posted by SFGurrilla
The reason there is politics is that human beings are social animals that gather in groups and naturally form hierarchies and power structures. Even a group as small as two people has "politics."
But it sounds like your problem is not politics:
If all you want is simplicity, and to be left to do you own thing for the most part and live your own self-sustaining life, then there are PLENTY of places to go. Northern California is full of communities where people do that. Sounds like you are just right for Mendocino or Humboldt county.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
There are plenty of things wrong with politics, but preventing you from living a simple life is not one of them. Sounds more to me like you just don't know what to do with your life.
I'd like to point out that in a tribal system, exile is a brief increase in freedom, followed by almost certain death by starvation, exposure, or at the hands of other tribal peoples who recognize you as an outcast and distrust you as such. If it were possible for humans to survive alone in the wild, with our unprotected thin hides, blunt teeth, vulnerable torsos, inefficient method of locomotion (the human knee is actually backwards to what it would be were we built to run faster), and complete lack of fangs, claws, tusks, armor plates, venom, ink sacs, or noxious sprays... I think politics would be moot, as society would simply not exist.
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Originally Posted by stinkyattic
our greatest weakness... and yet! it is our greatest strength, through martial arts and tools.
we may not be built for long periods of speed, but in a short instant, a fraction of a second, we can move with snake like swiftness, which is enough to, at the very least, stun an attacker, giving us the chance to run. and since speed times force equals power, a small muscle can produce a huge sting if it moves fast enough.
FRANKLY, the human body is not meant to be lethargic by any means, but it is meant to be constantly active. and it is in constant activity that we become toughened up to a lot of the elements.
it doesnt take much effort to create our own "exoappendages", where we lack claws and fangs we make up for in knives and spears. it isnt hard to use the environment to our advantage, whereas it is more difficult for some animals to use certain aspects of the environment, we can use almost all of it.
IN any case, however, you are right, other tribes and the elements will eventually get to us, if not both.
FRANKLY politics REALLY shouldnt exceed a small area of influence, and should be integral, not stark and different between neighbors. say, a township sized political influence should be the largest influence of any political group, and all towns around it are similar with their own gradual differences until you reach the other side of the country where it is, or could be, completely polar opposite. that way if you are exhiled from your "tribe" or community, you can just go to your neighbor, and find a place where you fit in better, rather than being completely shunned by everyone around you, or just plain killed.
this is a MUST if we are going to continue to be a diverse nation of art and culture... if we ever were...
i dunno, im still thinking we were supposed to be the free nation where the whole world could fit in, and yet we arent, rather we're trying to change the whole world to suit us.
it's WRRRONG. :mad:
I don't believe anyone is in 100% agreement with the policies and actions of any political party.
In the UK
The Lib Dems will legalise pot but I don't like thier attitude to crime.
The Conservative party want a harder line taken on crime which I agree with but they are against the legalisation of pot.
The Labour party is simply incompetant in my eyes.
Goverment has become too large and too powerful and the issues they deal with are ridiculous , the gov decides how big your house should be , how high the trees in your garden can be , the maximum speed that your car can go.
Thats just a small selection of all the BS that gets "debated" every day in every department , no wonder we are taxed to the hilt for the pleasure of being told what we can eat , how much it should cost and how it must be advertised.
I could go on but it just bores me after a while.
it bores you while it infuriates me... you're really the lucky one in that regard...
...well...we can go back to the Wild Wild West days....:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fugitive
Actually, the per-capita murder rate in the "Wild West" was lower than in the "civilized" East, where in many cases the carrying of concealed weapons had already been made illegal. Why? Here's the enlightenment - people who would do violent crime don't really care about the law.
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Originally Posted by Iguana
"Anarchy" as a means to be free, rather than utter chaos, is the true human society.
EVERY government is JUST ANOTHER FORM of anarchy.
democracy, representation, monarchy, these are just different forms of controlled chaos, just different forms of anarchy with a leader, or leaders.
LET US ALL be in control of our destinies. we must fight it, and yet we wont. nothing short of a major fuck up will rouse anyone to their feet, hell to their ASSES.
EVERYONE is so comfortably numb that they ignore EVERYTHING that is WRONG with the world!
NO one is willing to wake the fuck up and smell the BULLSHIT.
Anarchy wouldn't be freedom. It would be the Law of The Jungle. I looked at your MySpace page. I see why we look at it differently. I looked at things similar to the way you do when I was your age - 27 years ago. In the mean time I've had a lot happen and have gone through a lot of changes I never thought would have happened. Being directly responsible for other people changed a lot of things. I have a son that is your age and a daughter that's 18. I also work in a prison and deal with a lot of people that have done some pretty heinous things. Removing the rules of government from them isn't going to suddenly make them nice guys, much more likely the reverse would happen. BTW, I've been a member of NORML since the late 70's.
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Originally Posted by Iguana
you can take the people out of the jungle, but you cannot take the jungle out of the people. working in a prison, you should have blatant evidence of that.
Nature works. Civilization doesnt. Nature does for us what we need.
Civilization does for 25% of the people what they want.
what the fuck do those 25% think makes them so much better than the other 75%?
MONEY.
Idiots.
We ALL have brains, blood, and muscle, therefore we are all able to do what we need to do to survive.
IT just isnt "politically correct" to be HUMAN anymore.
it never WAS.
I am a HUMAN BEING. not a young adult, not a man, not an unemployed person, not a civilian, not an american. JUST HUMAN.
you can compare me to everyone else in society, you can belittle my life's choices, you can argue that i am immature, irresponsible, or jsut plain lazy, but the fact of the matter is you are no better than i am. nor am i any better than you, or anyone else.
We are all human beings, but only a few of us left are actually BEING human.
Better is a perspective based on need , it's better to have a surgeon handy if you need an operation but if your car needs attention then you'd be better off with a mechanic.
Civilisation is simply an extension of the tribe mentality , we subscribe to our parties because they offer what tribes have always offered , acceptance and safety in numbers. The benefits of society are simple really , medical care far in advance of anything our more primitive cousins can expect , technological advances that are only possible as a team effort, and of course a level of existence that allows us a lot of free time.
In a world without rules the wolves would devour the sheep.
Believe me when I tell you that someone with my mentality would love a world where crime went unpunished , the streets would be littered with bodies.
In a world with rules, the sheepdogs protect the sheep from the wolves. I'm a sheepdog and you are too.Quote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
Working in a prison has shown me that you can't take the jungle out of SOME people. They are the reason we have prisons and the system that puts them there. They are the uncivilized and some aren't even fully human. They care only for themselves, figuring that if it is good for them, even if it hurts others, it is good and what they should do. They are sociopaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
If you don't believe anything else I post here believe this - life isn't fair, and the world doesn't owe you a damn thing. When you figure out how to be able to provide for yourself while doing good for society you're on track for a good life. It isn't necessarily easy, but it is real.
Being human isn't just having blood, brains, bone, and muscle. It's about being more than just alive, its about living a full, rewarding existence. If you can do that living deep in a forest in a tent, good for you and you should do it. But for the vast majority of people, greater than the 75% you mention, it wouldn't suffice. It would be a lonely and likely short life. When most people lived in such a fashion a person living into their 40's was pretty old.
If you can more fully articulate your beliefs and positions as to what human existence is, we can converse further on this issue.
being human is about everything that humans are capable of. you cannot pick and choose.
The deluded mind is affectively burdened by intellect. Thus, it cannot move without stopping and reflecting on itself. This obstructs fluidity.
Picking and choosing between good and evil, humane and inhumane obstructs our ability to move smoothly through life.
If a "sociopath" kills your family, seek vengeance, dont intellectualize it too much.
If someone steals your money, steal it back.
We do not require a middle man to handle the "dirty work" of revenge. that IS what police are for, and that is all they are for.
Politically correct revenge.
Being human doesnt mean contributing a damned thing to society, it is about experiencing everything that life has to offer; even murder.
there are no experiences that a human being can partake that are NOT human, however, to limit oneself, to decide what is okay and not okay is to limit the experience.
A Jaguar does not stop and think weather it's survival is politically correct, it does what it needs to do to satasfy it's instincts.
"civilized" Human beings, on the other hand, spend far too much time picking and choosing what experiences are allowable and what experiences should be extinguished, and that is a choice only the individual is allowed to make. no one has the right to tell another being, be it human or jaguar, what they can and cannot experience, what they can and cannot do.
If i so called derranged sociopath decides to take it upon himself and kill 500 people from a sniper tower, he is doing it for his own reasons, regardless of weather or not they make sense to anyone else. if you were in his shoes, you would too.
We ALL do everything we do based on what we know and previously experienced.
Those of us who choose to unfetter our experiences become labeled as many different things, bums, vagrants, criminals, "wastes of life" even.
and for what? what GAME are you playing? WE ALL LIVE AND DIE, so what DIFFERENCE does it make as to how we walk the path of life, from life, to death?
HOW does it matter beyond our own artificial reasons?
WE ARE ALL SOIL. that which dies makes space for new life.
One could argue that preserving old life is a sin against new life.
"Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system"
~ Bruce Lee
No social way, or "civil" rule is more important than the sociopaths and criminals.
I disagree with the simplification of what it constitutes to be human.
Humans come in many various guises and to attempt to quantify what makes us so varied cannot be summed up with a few sentences.
I know what I am and I am what I am because that's what I want to be.
To live a completely egotistical existence would mean the extinction of the human race , man alone is a vulnerable creature and it is only the ability to socialise that has allowed us to become the dominant species we are.
If man had never learned to work together then we would probably still be hiding in caves from the nasty critters that would just love a little human .
Even something that is considered an everyday thing like a gun has taken many people to create and develop.
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Originally Posted by psychocat
it should have been simplified in a manner that would draw that conclusion.
In other words, everything a human being does is human.
Speaking of egotistical, what the fuck difference does it make if man is the dominant species, or just another animal?
there needs to be a middle ground, where we are dominant over our OWN LIVES, but still at the whims of nature itself.
We must stop being so fucking power hungry, will we ever stop short of obliterating ourselves?
what's next? The animatrix turns into a prophecy? give me a break!
Get used to the fact that man is smart enough to know the benefits of working together to remain dominant because otherwise you would be right about middle of the food chain.
If we had not learned to work together we wouldn't even be able to discuss humanity because our life expectancy wouldn't be very high, we would have no technology and the chances are we would be extinct.
A large part of being human is the ability to adapt to any situation and the intelligence to realise that in certain situations it's good to have someone to watch your back.
The urge to be top dog dominates a large section of the human race and is the reason that individuals and even countries wish to be regarded as the big Kahuna , it's as natural as pissing.
The bigger your gang and the more weapons you can front the more clout you have..
Any tribe has rules , if a member transgresses they face being expelled and losing the protection afforded by being "one of the boys".
We like to think we are extremely complex creatures , I don't think so.
We make our lives complicated .
i just cant help but feel we would be better off by the billions if we were constantly on the brink of extinction, yet never so weak as to BECOME extinct.
i hate most human beings, what can i say?
Me too :D I guess thats why I'm considered mildly sociopathic. :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
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Originally Posted by psychocat
Like i say:
I'm too sociopathic for your own good. :thumbsup:
i'm new here but i don't see why you care so much your a grower therefor you break the law why even acknowledge it
(i will never conform to any law or government) they call me an outlaw
i believe no human title has any bearing on my life with a rap sheet the size of a phone book for proof until we stand united we will be defeated divided
awesome second post man
yeah aint it great!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kid Dynamite
politicians are the only criminals in my eyes because they hinder the advancement of the human race by supplementing us with a reality that we don,t want i dont know about you but i know that when i use the bathroom
i need to and do so on my own accord i don't ask so why should anything
pertaining to my mind or body be subject for approval by some yahoo who would rather have me sh--. in a sink because thats what he does and make a law about it