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Your Thoughts about Death
A couple months ago I was thinking about death, not "emo" like, but what it feels like. When I was younger I was afraid to die, it'd keep me up at night and I'd be afraid of dying, not wanting to leave my family behind, etc. But now I'm kind of curious as to what death actually feels like. Like what it feels like to have no stress or pain, or bad thoughts, see such terrible things happening in our world, or anything of that sort.
You know how when cancer patients or people who are suffering from a severe illness die, the family is somewhat happy because they are no longer in pain, and your "in a better place now" is there a "better place" or are you confined to black nothingness.
Do you lose feeling in everything? and just are able to think inside your mind, or does your mind even exist? do you even exist? are you in heaven(which i don't really believe in/but part of me does believe in it)?
My father was in a car accident in the early 80's i, there was 4 people in the car including himself, I'm pretty sure he was the only one to of survived though I'm not sure if one other person did. (DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE) It left him brain damaged (short term memory loss)/left side of his body doesn't work pretty much.
Anyway, he was pronounced dead, but they managed to revive him. And he later died again, but again managed to revive him and was put in a coma for six months. The doctor told his family he had no chance on living. During this time his dad, my grampa, would slap him and tell him to "wake the fuck up," my dad says he heard this but wasn't sure if it was his grandfather telling him to go back, its not your time yet, or if it was just his dad slapping the shit outta him to wake up. He said he saw his grandfather or his father, he can't really remember who it was (during his a coma). Now my uncle, now a "born again christian" prayed to God and said he would stop using drugs, and get his shit together if you allow my brother to live. Which he did... so does praying actually work...? Or is it just luck? Can you fight death?
Anyone "died" or anything of that sort? - kinda rambling, almost 4am
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nothingness isnt black.
Nothing cannot be described; there are no adjectives that are possible to use to describe nothing. if it is describable, it becomes something.
nothingness is supposed to be akin to nirvana, therefore, i would assume that no matter the case, heven or nothingness, it's a better place.
i believe hell is the human condition.
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death is just another realm of existence, nothing to fear or hope for.....IMO of course:stoned:
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Originally Posted by Coelho
Well... what i will describe is only a theory, but for me makes sense.
Heaven and hell are described as timeless places we go after our death, and where we stay forever.
But time is relative. As every stoner knows, one minute can feel like hours... so what is one second for one people dont necessarily means one second for another.
Well... its believed that when our body is dying our brain is flooded with neurotransmitters and other substances, called triptamines, which causes very heavy hallucinations. And it makes the time to go slowwww.
So, i think both heaven and hell are states of mind, (or "trips" like some people would say) felt by people due the release of hallucinogens in the dying brain.
And, as every tripper knows, set and setting plays a fundamental role in the "trip". So, if a person was a good person, and had a positive view of the death ("when i die i will go to heaven"), then when it start to feel the hallucinations it will regard it as being in heaven. Yet if the people's view of the death were fearsome, the "trip" will be hellish.
And now enters the relativity of the time. For we, that are alive, the death of a person takes only few moments. But for the dying person, their "trippily" distorted perception of time may make this moments feels like forever. Forever being in hell of heaven.
(from http://boards.cannabis.com/spiritual...you-die-2.html) :stoned::jointsmile::rastasmoke:
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Originally Posted by Coelho
wot if you believe in neither heaven or hell and you felt -meh about death??? wot then?
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Nobody knows. Anybody who says they know is making it up.
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I know what happens when we die......I know this by personal research, here it goes, when we die we stop living.lol naw I think there is something after we die i think our soul or conscience or subconscience continues to exist after this life i don't know about heaven and hell but i'm 89% positive that there is more to experience after we die
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If we cease to exist, that would be a lot like sleeping without dreaming. You remember anything from the periods you were sleeping but did not dream? Of course you don't. But after you wake up you're able to think back on that blank period and realize just how "dead" you were at that time. Now try to imagine that it never ends... It's almost impossible to imagine it at all, only from some form of observation afterwards would let you know that it happened. You won't be able to observe this state as it's happening, and if it were to never end you would not be able to wake up to reflect back on it.
We sorta came from nothing too, try to think back to before you were conceived... that's impossible unless you have past-life hallucinations carried over in your genetic code but that wouldn't be the same thing. Or maybe it would be? who knows....
Nothingness trips me out.... that's why my favourite "villain" of all time was the Nothing from The Neverending Story.
There's enough evidence to convince me that there is something after death, with all kinds of ghost phenomenon type shit that goes on... but unfortunately I haven't experienced any of that for myself and I really want to. I think our soul or life force will be free from this constricting dimensional plain of existence to roam around the other dimensions or something. Life is so redundant, I'm more than ready to go on to whatever awaits me, but I'm gonna party til that day comes.
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Nothing cannot be defined; the softest thing cannot be snapped.
nothingness truly is a beautiful perfection.
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nothingness is interesting indeed.........and its the most logic explanation for our simple little minds.............but why does everybody say death and sleep are the same or equvalent........when we sleep our brain is functioning in a certain way also when we dream but when we die how is our brain gonna fuction the same or even function at all when its "dead" to put us in a sleeping mode
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Originally Posted by krazy chino
nothingness is interesting indeed.........and its the most logic explanation for our simple little minds.............but why does everybody say death and sleep are the same or equvalent........when we sleep our brain is functioning in a certain way also when we dream but when we die how is our brain gonna fuction the same or even function at all when its "dead" to put us in a sleeping mode
Our mind rests, it exists that is, in the nothingness.
the brain merely channels the nothingness into ... um... whatever it becomes inside our brains. thoughts, ideas, memories, etc.
The brain is like a radio that is permanently tuned to it's own individual, unique frequency. a frequency that is really just nothingness.
What dreams may come?
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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
Our mind rests, it exists that is, in the nothingness.
the brain merely channels the nothingness into ... um... whatever it becomes inside our brains. thoughts, ideas, memories, etc.
The brain is like a radio that is permanently tuned to it's own individual, unique frequency. a frequency that is really just nothingness.
What dreams may come?
How can our brain function though if it is "dead"?
Without the proper life support (i.e. - oxygen & proteins) no muscle in the body can function. Thusly, you can not think, you are dead.
Imagine what it is like to be blind, mute, deaf, paralyzed, and insensitive while having no ability to comprehend or respond to anything. It is exactly what you have all said, death is the state of nothingness
Whether or not you currently have religious beliefs may change this. Physically you are unable to do anything because heaven and hell are not physical places, they are spiritual. Spiritually you can interact in ways that you've never conceived because who knows what one's spirit is capable of doing when it's not weighed down by the boundaries of the body.
If you are religious you realize that if you abide by the laws of your pertaining written scripture than you will be able to enjoy all the benefits however great and wide they are of your own personal corrolating "heaven". However, if you do not abide by what is said you must then you will be experiencing the pain, stress, and suffering inconceivable by the human mind and body for the rest of time...
So, in essence, death is physically nothing, and spiritually more than everything we can physically conceive
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yeah i was about to say, how can your brain function without living??? I think you're confusing things... I think you become worm food... circle of life
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the brain is merely a radio, a transmitting and receiving device, designed to interpret the MIND. do not confuse mind with matter. they are separate designs. the mind is energy, the brain is matter.
Plus, a nurse friend of mine claims the brain is actually alive for a good period of time after death, something like 5 years i THINK, but i cant remember what she said exactly. could have been 5 days, i cant remember.
but all this aside, the brain does what? it sends electrical impulses about the entire body, brain included, to act, and to think.
the electrical impulses may or may not be generated by the body, but they cannot be destroyed. dispersed into the all of reality, but not utterly extinguished. merely changed.
Is is this energy that is the real us, the real you. the mind is not a brain, but the collection of all thought energy.
but WHERE is it? it cannot be simply stuck in the brain itself! nor can it have always preexisted there! it has to have come from somewhere, before the brain invoked it's presence, where was it?
Tell me, what do you think thoughts are?
On the organic scale, they are the brain, no? how about molecular? perhaps they are the neurons and synapses.
Atomic? the energy itself?
Quantum?
Nothingness, perhaps.
The void of nothingness is the soil where all existence takes root.
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I hope it's like sleeping, cause I love to sleep. But, I don't think it's like that really. I'm ready as I'll ever be.
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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
the mind is energy, the brain is matter.
but all this aside, the brain does what? it sends electrical impulses about the entire body, brain included, to act, and to think.
the electrical impulses may or may not be generated by the body, but they cannot be destroyed. dispersed into the all of reality, but not utterly extinguished. merely changed.
The void of nothingness is the soil where all existence takes root.
if the mind is energy and the brain is matter in which the brain is the muscle that transfers the electrical impulses that ARE thoughts then that must mean that if the "brain" dies, then the "mind" must die doesn't it?...
Saying that the mind is still active after the brain is dead is saying that the water in a resovoir can still pump itself when the pump is dead...it doesn't make sense...
yes, the electrical charges may take a while to exit the body, but it doesn't mean they can be transferred and formulated into thoughts.
Does that make sense? This is all so complicated...
I'm not angry at all by the way, merely just trying to have a comprehensive conversation, no hard feelings whatsoever
:jointsmile::thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by SunnyD
if the mind is energy and the brain is matter in which the brain is the muscle that transfers the electrical impulses that ARE thoughts then that must mean that if the "brain" dies, then the "mind" must die doesn't it?...
Saying that the mind is still active after the brain is dead is saying that the water in a resovoir can still pump itself when the pump is dead...it doesn't make sense...
yes, the electrical charges may take a while to exit the body, but it doesn't mean they can be transferred and formulated into thoughts.
Does that make sense? This is all so complicated...
I'm not angry at all by the way, merely just trying to have a comprehensive conversation, no hard feelings whatsoever
:jointsmile::thumbsup:
actually no, saying the mind is alive after the brain is dead is more like saying the water still exists, even after the reservoir is dry.
it just doesnt exist in the reservoir anymore.
I cannot say exactly where it goes, if anywhere, but i do believe that nothingness is the key.
Thoughts and ideas precede the brain. the brain just exists to draw them into a physical representation through our actions and our words.
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I've heard of the brain still being alive around 5 minutes after death, before the cells start to really die.
In that moment of relative time before the brain dies, like Coelho mentioned, the possibility that our spiritual or dream-like state of mind during that time could seem to last forever and actually be the afterlife. That's a pretty cool common theory, but it makes me wonder about the people who die that have their heads smashed to bits and don't get to experience the slow process of what happens chemically and physically in the brain.
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have you ever read about brain plasticity?
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I like to contemplate but contemplation gives no answers only experience does.
Like with all inevitable experiences I will deal with it when it happens.
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I believe that life after death will be just like life before birth. I can't see how it can really be any different
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Originally Posted by action.420
I believe that life after death will be just like life before birth. I can't see how it can really be any different
nor can you see how it could be the same. do you remember life before birth?
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THE ONLY GUARANTEE IN LIFE IS DEATH! i find that strangly reassuring as everything else in life is uncertain, but one day it will all be over, i will die, and well what then? well whatever happens after i die will be different and new and if there is nothing surely i'd be and know nothing, i'm curious of whats next and i know one day i shall find out :D
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Death is your reward for living.:stoned:
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Originally Posted by smartin.2006
Death is your reward for living.:stoned:
and life, your reward for dying.
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
I know it's wrong of me but I found that so funny. :cool:
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i am hard pressed to believe that anything different happens to us, than happens to a chipmunk hit by a car, or a tree that gets chopped down, or a goat that dies of old age, or a flower that does not get enough water.
the cells that make up that organism cease to carry on their life functions, and for all instents and purposes, the organism ends it's "life". the curtains close, the lights go dark, and the energy which your body had been running on gets dispersed around you and becomes part of something new. your body, in tern, decomposes in the ground, and returns to it's elemental foundations - aka, you break down.
as far as a mind or soul living on, i really just believe that when it's over, it's over. we are no more important or much different than that plant that got chopped. our consciousness is a mere byproduct of our intelligence. we are self-aware only because our brains allow us to be self-aware, and we assign an importance to ourselves because of that self-awareness.
unless that flower in your backyard is going to heaven when it dies, i think you have my answer.
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
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Originally Posted by psychocat
I know it's wrong of me but I found that so funny. :cool:
i'm still chucklin bout that one, :thumbsup:
