Is McCain trying to lose?

I was following McCain's campaign activity while he was out here in the west last week. In California, he spoke several times about the need for more offshore oil drilling --- here in a state that abhors the idea of offshore drilling. Then he went on to Nevada where he talked about the need for more nuclear energy --- in a state that resents being the dumping ground for the entire country's nuclear waste in Yucca Mountain. Maybe next he can go talk up NAFTA in some of the rust belt swing states.

You've got to admire the fact that he isn't afraid to stick by his ideas in places where they aren't popular. I don't like a politician who shamelessly panders to whoever he is talking to. But this just seems silly. If you are going to open a whole new line in your campaign, do it somewhere where it's going to get a good reception. And if you are going to campaign in a place where one of your ideas is not popular, you don't have to back away from it, but you don't have to be the one to bring it up either.

What crazy old coot.

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

You've got to admire the fact that he isn't afraid to stick by his ideas in places where they aren't popular. I don't like a politician who shamelessly panders to whoever he is talking to.

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Then HOW can you support Obama.....the man with a speach designed for the crowd he's talking to. Hell, neither the Palestinians or Jewish communities know where he stands on the middle east.

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

What crazy old coot.

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LMAO...sure hope someone from the DNC states this on TV, that would be as bad as a racial comment about Obama.

Have a good one!:s4:

Ha ha! I said I don't like someone who shamelessly panders, not someone who changes what they talk about to appeal to the interests of the group they are addressing. One has to do with changing positions, the other has to do with focusing on what is of interest to your audience. I think it would have been smart for McCain to focus on something else in front of these audiences, instead of something they are almost guarateed to dislike --- he shouldn't change his position, but why bring it up? Maybe he is just testing his own resolve.

The "crazy old coot" thing was kind of a low blow on my part, but I actually don't think that judging a person by age is the same as judging them by their race. Race has nothing to do with competence, but age does. As people get older their health decilnes and so does their mental ability and ability to make good decisions. I would never say McCain is senile, but he is old.

I remember Reagan testifying over and over again at the Iran-Contra hearings, "I don't recall... I don't recall..." I thought he was just stonewalling, but turns out he probably had the early stages of Alzheimer's and he REALLY did not remember.

Age will be one of those politically correct things that the campaign can't bring up, but I can bring it up. That dude is oooooooooold...

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Ha ha! I said I don't like someone who shamelessly panders, not someone who changes what they talk about to appeal to the interests of the group they are addressing. One has to do with changing positions, the other has to do with focusing on what is of interest to your audience.

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Sounds like you found a politically correct term for flip-flop. Your either for something or your not. He's given conflicting speaches to both parties regarding Jerusalem. He's told the palestinians that they have a claim to half of this territory and he's told the Jewish community that Jerusalem should stay united....so what is it?

I suppose in California he could have played Obama's game but what the hell; isn't honesty something we should be looking at with this election?

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

The "crazy old coot" thing was kind of a low blow on my part, but I actually don't think that judging a person by age is the same as judging them by their race. Race has nothing to do with competence, but age does. As people get older their health decilnes and so does their mental ability and ability to make good decisions. I would never say McCain is senile, but he is old.

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Well, I've seen McCains mother on t.v. and she seems to have it very much together.

As far as the discriminatory remark....try that in the hiring process for a place of business. "Your to old" will bring the same lawsuit as "Your black". Sure would be nice to see the DNC try this though...that big ol state of Florida with their retiree's wouldn't stand for that one at all!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

It certainly is illegal to discriminate based on age in the hiring process in a place of business, and it should be. But an election is not the same thing. It's not acceptable for a campaign to make an issue of it, so I would not expect they will. But voters might still consider it. The one difference between hiring an old person and electing an old person is that you don't hire someone for a four-year term. If it turns out they can't do the job the way you thought they were going to, you aren't necessarily stuck with them. But if you elect someone who is 72 and doing fine, but they start to get a little fuzzy around their 74th birthday, you are kind of stuck. He just better pick a really good VP.

Likewise, if you elect someone that is possibly a racist your stuck with that person too. His "aquaintances" with people like the good Rev. Wright and the Trinity Church are VERY questionable.

Have a good one!:s4:

Yeah, we will be stuck with whoever we pick.

My point in bringing this issue up was not to call McCain an old coot (that was just a bonus!). My point was to question why he would choose to promote these ideas in places where they are not welcome --- offshore drilling in California and nuclear in Nevada.

In California at least, the visits by Obama and McCain were not considered to be serious campaign visits about getting votes, because the state is solidly Democratic. It was more about a testing ground for your ideas and a source of fundraising. Why float your new proposal in a place where the reaction is goin to be bad? Why try to raise money by pushing an unpopular idea? I'm not saying he should flip-flop or be dishonest --- I'm just questioning why he would choose to emphasis his differences, rather than focus on something that might be popular. He should not back off his beliefs, but maybe there is something else he might have more in common with California and Nevada that might have been a better subject matter for him.

And if he really did want to push these ideas in these states, he might have done better to acknowledge their unpopularity and represent it as "straight talk" about what needs to be done even if it is unpopular. I don't think he did that --- it just seemed out of touch with his audience.

The last statewide Field Poll on Californians' feelings toward oil drilling was taken in October 2005. Most said they would not favor loosening restrictions to stem the tide of rising gas prices.

Fifty-six percent of surveyed registered voters said they favored keeping the restrictions; 39 percent said they didn't.

But that poll was before gas hit $4.50 a gallon. That reality - and the fact that the issue has been dormant for so long - is what worries some environmentalists.
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_9632439

His views on this may not be so unpopular now as it was then...we'll see come November.:D Both my brother and sister-in-law have been big time dems in the Huntington Beach area now since 1980...both have stated that they are voting McCain.

Likewise here in the cheese state my parents, both in their 70's, have NEVER voted republican...both are now in the McCain camp. Seems that there is another trend that I really am SHOCKED about! These four were HARD CORE dem voters and are now voting for the GOP for president...of course they are voting dem for all the rest but hey, one step at a time I guess. LOL

Have a good one!:s4:

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Likewise here in the cheese state my parents, both in their 70's, have NEVER voted republican...both are now in the McCain camp. Seems that there is another trend that I really am SHOCKED about! These four were HARD CORE dem voters and are now voting for the GOP for president...of course they are voting dem for all the rest but hey, one step at a time I guess. LOL

Have a good one!:s4:

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My personal anecdote on this is actually the complete opposite. My Dad is a staunch Republican who never voted for a Democrat in his life, but he is not planning to vote Republican this year. His career was in marine biology and he is pissed livid at the Bush administration and his party in general about how they have ignored the threat from global waming. He has his political beliefs, but he undertands science, and he is furious. This offshore drilling thing sent him through the roof. There are a lot of other things that he holds against Bush personally, not against his party, but he can't get past the environmental lying and stonewalling, so he's switching over.

And this is the type of thing that'll bring your father back to the fold.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyHd7ITcw14[/YOUTUBE]

McCain isn't your typical republican on alot of issues...I just wish he was further away from the "party's platform" than what he is.:(

Have a good one!:s4:

Hey P4b I have to say something my boss is a republican and has always been a republican and wont vote any other way. He says he cant stand Mccain and will never vote for him. He says that Mccain is a Independent posing as a Republican and will do and say anything to get elected. Hes not going to vote for him even if you held a gun to his head. Hes not voting for Obama either he is staying home this november. Theres alot of republicans that feel the same way about Mccain.:rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:

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Hey P4b I have to say something my boss is a republican and has always been a republican and wont vote any other way. He says he cant stand Mccain and will never vote for him. He says that Mccain is a Independent posing as a Republican and will do and say anything to get elected. Hes not going to vote for him even if you held a gun to his head. Hes not voting for Obama either he is staying home this november. Theres alot of republicans that feel the same way about Mccain.:rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:

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Yes, I think the "Stay at Home" vote is going to be very strong among Republicans this year.

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Yes, I think the "Stay at Home" vote is going to be very strong among Republicans this year.

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I have to disagree with ya on that....when November hits and an Obama scare rings though the GOP, you'll see alot of people voting for the "less of the two evils". They may not love McCain but I don't think that the majority of far right republicans will stand for Obama getting in either.

Have a good one!:s4:

They have both kneeled in front of their masters AIPAC; if youâ??re voting for Obama to end unnecessary war think again.

I believe McCain has the majority of the Hispanic and white vote, but he has done his best to alienate conservatives with his closet liberalism and amnesty bill antics.

Obama has a potentially large base of disgruntled voters, 70% of Americans dislike George Bush and McCain is basically a Bush clone.

Obama is ridiculously anti 2nd amendment and I think it will cost him, not that McCain is that pro rights.

I don't know too close to call.

Maybe he should go to Oregon and talk about killing all the fish, and cutting down all the trees....I actually give him credit to sticking to his words even though they might/will kill him in that state... better than the other way around.

and that video posted was so trash, i can't even start to discuss it, cause i might have to clean my monitor of throw up.

Ive grown so sick of utube
and I don even watch utube (



If Barack gets the vote?
The War will b over by Summer of '09'! guarandamtee it!


Iraq will NEVER surrender to anyone !

I imagine Congress is staging an end to the War in Iraq

as we speak

Alibaba will of course "trample all over Americas paper treatys"
and honesty layed before the imps


as far as the state of pitiful America goes

give us back our freedoms!

American Government! you
so rudely ripped away


:(

McCain will not help this country


one iotta!

I hope MCain does not win!

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Originally Posted by silkyblue

McCain will not help this country


one iotta!

I hope MCain does not win!

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McCain is the better of the 2, although that isn't saying much this election. I cannot vote for the candidate with such a far-left voting record as Obama. It would not be in the best interest of my country. As the USA becomes more and more socialistic it becomes less and less the land of freedom and opportunity.

and the left cause it to be less of freedom? where have u been for the past 8 years?

Obama is all we got!

what about the "Declaration of Independance" we are getting ready to celebrate?

Whos stomping on the Declaration now those good men [Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, etc...] worked so hard to get signed and inacted?

Its not about the fireworks China sells us


Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, my foot! yeah!

untill they find happiness in your piss, and hair!


Bring back Independance in the midwest America!

How come California is allowed to smoke pot?

I'm voting Obama...I'm sick of the Bill Clintons,& Gov. Spitzers getting bj's with my tax dollars....You think Bush cares about the economy,or even human rights???That lying sack of s$#% is about to retire to his ranch....wealthy from the blood of young Americans.AND MCAIN WANTS TO DO THE SAME THING AS GW BUSH!! I don't care if Obama's minister is purple,and likes only pink people...

I find it funny people think Obama will restrict freedoms, especially considering how the Republicans have stripped us of our freedoms these past 8 years.

McCain might be all well and good, but he is doing his best to immitate W Bush, is way to eratic, and has done nothing to remove the monkey named "REPUBLICAN" from his back.

Anyone that wants to elect McCain because he isn't as far right as Bush and most republicans, you know who else isnt like Bush? Obama!

I've said it once and I will say it again, obviously it's an urban myth that people that use cannabis are less susceptible to propaganda!:jointsmile: Holy fuck!:jointsmile: Or, there are people just posting here in the politics section that don't use cannabis that happen to be brainwashed!:yeahright:
If you want true freedom, then grow your own! Vote for Master Kush!

Dragon I get what you were saying. Maybe he believes the time is ripe for the discussion. Who knows, maybe he is trying to lose.
Either way, it doesn't really matter, he will win, in a landslide I predict, I know you disagree, I know you do too blueca....er I mean silkyblue, sorry your name reminds me of someone else. Just my opinion on McCain though. Not that I am really excited about it, but hey, at least he's not a socialist pinko.

You know what really scares me about McCain. When he talks about global warming. No it doesn't scare me, it pisses me off. I think that would be an example of him being a douche. If he believes half of what he says then god fucking help us all. If he is just talking out his ass to gain support from the left then whatever. That just makes him as I said before a douche.
Fuck'em both.:S4:

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

You've got to admire the fact that he isn't afraid to stick by his ideas in places where they aren't popular.

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something Obama seems to have trouble doing! he is almost as bad of a flip flopper as john kerry was.............:stoned:

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Originally Posted by GrinKyle

and the left cause it to be less of freedom? where have u been for the past 8 years?

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Yes, ultimately, the left will bring us less freedom. Please list the freedoms that have been lost over the last 8 years.

As far as what I've been doing over the last eight years - raising kids, working, prospering, being active in my community, and holding an elected office (not a high paying one, $150/month - it has cost me more than that in work that I've turned down).

GWB hasn't been the best President, but considering what has happened in the last 8 years, still better than the alternatives presented by the Democrats in '00 and '04.

This wasn't even a hard question. It was about why he approved Viagra be paid by health insurance, but birth control isn't. I wonder how he'll act when the really hard(non-rehearsed) questions come. I actually feel sorry for the guy!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2y8dYwq01g[/youtube]

the answer he said of given was HELL ya insurance should be paying for Birth Control..


I mean insurance will pay to have a dudes running around with erections for hours but wont pay for a woman to be able to control her reproductive ability as she see fit..

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Originally Posted by happiestmferoutthere

It was about why he approved Viagra be paid by health insurance, but birth control isn't.

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John McCain didn't or doesn't make the call if something gets covered by insurance.. Hes a damn Senator! He might of voted for it, but dont make it sound like he's sitting behind a desk and is the guy approving insurance claims and requests..

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Originally Posted by wheresmylighternow

J but dont make it sound like he's sitting behind a desk and is the guy approving insurance claims and requests..

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Ummm....... I think everyone knows what Senators do. Wrong choice of one word. He voted for it. Happy?

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This wasn't even a hard question. It was about why he approved Viagra be paid by health insurance, but birth control isn't. I wonder how he'll act when the really hard(non-rehearsed) questions come. I actually feel sorry for the guy!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2y8dYwq01g[/youtube]

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Ha ha! That one was really funny! It's amazing McCain had so much trouble answering that and was so uncomfortable with the question. That was very wierd and painful to watch. I heard this was actualy a SUPPORTER asking this question. That's probably why they were so accomodating with the dodgy answer. OF COURSE, birth control should be covered by insurance.

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Ummm....... I think everyone knows what Senators do. Wrong choice of one word. He voted for it. Happy?

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come on, i wasn't riding your shit.

Does everyone on the board need to log off and get laid..
The tension is WAY to high across the board..

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Originally Posted by wheresmylighternow

come on, i wasn't riding your shit.

Does everyone on the board need to log off and get laid..
The tension is WAY to high across the board..

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Seriously, no problem. I simply fixed the word you found issue with.
Hell, I'm always happy.
Of course..... getting laid couldn't hurt either!;)

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Originally Posted by happiestmferoutthere

Seriously, no problem. I simply fixed the word you found issue with.
Hell, I'm always happy.
Of course..... getting laid couldn't hurt either!;)

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lol..

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sorry folks, that is what happens when i try to type as I am on my hands and knees PRAYING TO THE UNIVERSE, to please not let this person be president of this nation.

To be perfectly honest. I had no idea Birth Control as a norm wasn't covered.. That is a load of shit.

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Originally Posted by wheresmylighternow

To be perfectly honest. I had no idea Birth Control as a norm wasn't covered.. That is a load of shit.

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Yes. It really is a load. Health insurance will pay for abortions, or the entire cost of pre-natal care, but most will not cover birth control. It has never made sense to me!:(

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Originally Posted by happiestmferoutthere

Of course..... getting laid couldn't hurt either!;)

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Just be sure you have plenty of boner meds and birth control!

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To be perfectly honest. I had no idea Birth Control as a norm wasn't covered.. That is a load of shit.

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Many healthcare plans do cover birth control, but some do not. Mine covered it for my wife, and it was even considered a "maintenace medication," so we could get a three-month prescription through the mail-order drug service for the price of one month at the pharmacy. Not all plans do that or even cover it at all. And I agree, if they don't cover it, it is a load of CRAP! Of course they should cover it!

Mccain's a retard...PS..Why do presidential elections always have to be a choice of the lesser of evils?? Why can't we have an actual good candidate to choose from..?

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Originally Posted by Markass

Mccain's a retard...PS..Why do presidential elections always have to be a choice of the lesser of evils?? Why can't we have an actual good candidate to choose from..?

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He certainly comes off as a retard in this vdeo. And he has done plenty of other stupid shit, like speaking about off-shore drilling in California and nuclear in Nevada. But he is not a complete disaster like Bush, and I like Obama a lot more than I did other Democratic candidates in the past two elections. This election does not feel like the lesser of two evils to me.


Edit: Did you see this thread yet? http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/...two-evils.html