does god produce sperm? serious question

i know the title may sound funny but the question behind it is serious...

i have always referred to god as a "he" because of my christian upbringing. i am in the process of trying to unlearn that presumption as well as all of my preconceived notions about who or what god is. if you stop and look critically at it (which unfortunately most religions do not do) it just doesn't make sense.

being a male is a classification of gender referring to a species that produces sperm. does god produce sperm? does god have a penis or testicles? what would they be used for? reproduction? urination?

most believe that god created through word or thought and that there is no female god that he mated with... my assumption is that people started saying god is a male because of sexist stereotyping.

the main religion i know a lot about is christianity (24 years of church and 15 years of christian schooling). i assume that because jesus "took the form of a male" and because he prayed "our father" this stereotype took hold. that in itself doesn't make sense because the ONLY way a father can have kids is through the womb of the mother (or a petri dish but you still need the female egg). unless you were to also say a female god is involved wouldn't one have to assume that god is asexual and essentially both male and female (or more likely neither and should be referred to as "it")?

i'm really bored so i was trying to think of some conversation to start but i think it is a legit question.

Yeah I think Christians just refer to god as he because it sounds better than 'it'.

God is omnipotent; god can fertilize anything and everything.

God also produces eggs, and these eggs can BE fertilized by anything and everything.

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

God is omnipotent; god can fertilize anything and everything.

God also produces eggs, and these eggs can BE fertilized by anything and everything.

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If gods omnipotent, how come we live in such a fucked up world? Paedophiles and rapists and murderers and suicide bombers...

God (supposedly) created man in his image so therefore it would be logical to assume he looks like man.

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Originally Posted by L Rag

If gods omnipotent, how come we live in such a fucked up world? Paedophiles and rapists and murderers and suicide bombers...

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Its call free agency. One of the two reasons we came to earth. the other was to gain a earthly body.

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Originally Posted by illnillinois

Its call free agency. One of the two reasons we came to earth. the other was to gain a earthly body.

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Free will? Okay, then why did god always intervene in the bible?

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Originally Posted by L Rag

Free will? Okay, then why did god always intervene in the bible?

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the same reason why we dont have sacrifices anymore.. Times are different then bible times.

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Originally Posted by illnillinois

the same reason why we dont have sacrifices anymore.. Times are different then bible times.

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Times are different? How is that a reason why he wouldn't choose to intervene? The world's getting worse, not better. You'd think that an omnipotent being would want to intervene when things get bad, not when they're fine. That makes no sense at all. But hey I can predict what you're going to say -
"we can't comprehend god's motives, we are only human"
Am I right?

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Originally Posted by L Rag

Times are different? How is that a reason why he wouldn't choose to intervene? The world's getting worse, not better. You'd think that an omnipotent being would want to intervene when things get bad, not when they're fine. That makes no sense at all. But hey I can predict what you're going to say -
"we can't comprehend god's motives, we are only human"
Am I right?

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God does intervene everyday. every time a child is saved from a life on the street due to a person not giving up on a trouble youth, when a mother and/or parents life's is changed for the better when they become parents. There is a need to feel pain, joy, love, trouble.. God wants people to come to him in need, in love, or just to be thankful for just being alive..
People want to keep God out of Government, out of schools, out of court houses. No brainer!!

We cant blame God every time a something goes wrong.
Example: A child gets killed, maybe hit by a car while playing in the street.
Sometimes the life's or life changed is a not even the person affected.

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Originally Posted by illnillinois

God does intervene everyday. every time a child is saved from a life on the street due to a person not giving up on a trouble youth, when a mother and/or parents life's is changed for the better when they become parents. There is a need to feel pain, joy, love, trouble.. God wants people to come to him in need, in love, or just to be thankful for just being alive..
People want to keep God out of Government, out of schools, out of court houses. No brainer!!

We cant blame God every time a something goes wrong.
Example: A child gets killed, maybe hit by a car while playing in the street.
Sometimes the life's or life changed is a not even the person affected.

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Why is it that it is god saving a child's life whose about to be hit by a car but gets miraculously (sp?) saved, but not god responsible for the child who gets hit by the car and dies?
"We cant blame god every time something goes wrong", but we can attribute everything that goes right to god? Thats completely illogical, it's just taking the best things and ignoring the worst things. I know you understand that.

And what I mean by intervene, is come down from the heavens and talk to people in reality, like he apparently did in the bible. I don't mean random acts of kindness or miracles, I mean actually come down and talk to people, not in their heads, but in their sight. Why did he do that in the bible, but never since? It's all very well for you to say god intervenes every day, but it is just as likely, if not infinitely more likely, that those random things - a child being hit by a car and dying, or being amazingly saved in surgery - are just that: random things, not acts of god.

Of course people want to keep god out of court cases, religion is no excuse. God is no excuse. What place does god have in the legal system?

And I don't understand how someone can be all loving, and yet order people to brutally kill homosexuals, or tell them to sell their daughters into slavery. How is that all-loving?

My BALLS produce sperm- can they be god? Come to think of it, so do my dog's balls. Never mind.

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Originally Posted by L Rag

Why is it that it is god saving a child's life whose about to be hit by a car but gets miraculously (sp?) saved, but not god responsible for the child who gets hit by the car and dies?

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Life's lessons are learned and understood sometimes beyond our own understanding or not willing to except.. (being flesh)

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And what I mean by intervene, is come down from the heavens and talk to people in reality, like he apparently did in the bible. I don't mean random acts of kindness or miracles,

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Jesus walked on earth and performed this things, god came down only once and that was in the old test... Yes its complicated.. God, Jesus and Holy ghost (holy spirit) are one in the same but are still 3 different persons.

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- a child being hit by a car and dying, or being amazingly saved in surgery - are just that: random things, not acts of god.

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We cant ever understand his reasons.. Why a child gets Cancer, or any other HORRIBLE thing children go thru..
Ever notice how a child suffering with these doesn't blame god, they are so humble and are examples of faith and love for your creator.
And how can it be justified to save a crack head from OD'ing but cant save a mother of 3 killed in a car crash.
Beyond our ability to grasp.

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Of course people want to keep god out of court cases, religion is no excuse. God is no excuse. What place does god have in the legal system?

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our entire legal system is based off the 10 commendments..

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And I don't understand how someone can be all loving, and yet order people to brutally kill homosexuals, or tell them to sell their daughters into slavery. How is that all-loving?

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that would be the $300,000,001 dollar question..
"HOW TO MAKE SOME LOVE YOU, WITHOUT AFFECTING FREE WILL"

God doesn't sit around and enjoy people suffering.. and it does hurt God.
You have to let people choose for themselves and be mercyful when they fall..

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Originally Posted by Barrelhse

My BALLS produce sperm- can they be god? Come to think of it, so do my dog's balls. Never mind.

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yes my balls make my sperm and my wife ovaries make the eggs.. But the Miracle is when GOD takes sperm and a egg and make a HUMAN..

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Originally Posted by illnillinois

Life's lessons are learned and understood sometimes beyond our own understanding or not willing to except.. (being flesh)

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Thats what I was saying before, and that's where we differ - I don't think that is a sufficient answer, not being able to comprehend it. So there's hardly more we can argue on this point - you're fine with the proposition that we can never understand it, but I want to find out more.

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Originally Posted by illnillinois

Jesus walked on earth and performed this things, god came down only once and that was in the old test... Yes its complicated.. God, Jesus and Holy ghost (holy spirit) are one in the same but are still 3 different persons.

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Okay, yeah I haven't read the bible and I don't know much about the finer details... But didn't god order people to do things? And he's hardly doing that anymore, outside of people's - I don't want to say imaginations - beliefs I suppose. In the bible, god is clearly more active then he seems to be today.

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Originally Posted by illnillinois

We cant ever understand his reasons.. Why a child gets Cancer, or any other HORRIBLE thing children go thru..
Ever notice how a child suffering with these doesn't blame god, they are so humble and are examples of faith and love for your creator.
And how can it be justified to save a crack head from OD'ing but cant save a mother of 3 killed in a car crash.
Beyond our ability to grasp.

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Exactly, and that's another non-answer in my opinion. "Beyond our ability to grasp" is basically a way of saying you can't answer the question. How is it justified? Instead of saying what you're saying, I would say it isn't justified at all, but there's nothing anybody can do about it - it's not about gods motives that we can't understand, it's just life. Shit happens. Good things happen. Why do we have to attribute them to god?

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Originally Posted by illnillinois

our entire legal system is based off the 10 commendments..

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No it's not. The ten commandments are loosely based upon the morals of the people who made them up, which are loosely the morals of many people today. So the law isn't based upon the ten commandments, it's based loosely on the morals of the people who made it up, which just so happens to be similar to the ten commandments.
You'll probably say, 'but god made up the ten commandments'. But, even if god DOES exist, why should we accept his morals as correct? Why should we forfeit our own reasoning and morality, to conform to his will?
And I'd just like to add, morality doesn't necessarily at all coincide with the law at all - obviously anybody can see that, slavery for example.

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Originally Posted by illnillinois

that would be the $300,000,001 dollar question..
"HOW TO MAKE SOME LOVE YOU, WITHOUT AFFECTING FREE WILL"

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That's not answering my question at all! I'll ask it differently. Do YOU think the killing of homosexuals, simply because they are homosexuals, is justified? Do YOU think the selling of daughters into slavery is justified? And don't talk about god or gods will, talk about what YOU believe.

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God doesn't sit around and enjoy people suffering.. and it does hurt God.

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So why would god order people to kill homosexuals? You're still not answering the question.


And I just wanna say, I've enjoyed this discussion - usually whenever I have discussions about god it turns into personal insults and shit, so cheers for keepin it to the point :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by L Rag

Thats what I was saying before, and that's where we differ - I don't think that is a sufficient answer, not being able to comprehend it. So there's hardly more we can argue on this point - you're fine with the proposition that we can never understand it, but I want to find out more.

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READ AND PRAY for understanding and have a open heart to what you are understand.... I never said we CANT understand, there is just somethings left for god to worry about..


I have had a great time conversing with you and think we hi-jacked the thread.. Its great people have the right and freedoms to ask and share knowledge..

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So why would god order people to kill homosexuals? You're still not answering the question.

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where does it talk about god ordering to kill homo's or sell their daughters.. just curious.. I have never read the bible personally but I was raised in a LDS, thats not the FLDS or the RLDS.. (crazys)
background and what i feel is from my heart and not my soul.

Haha yeah we fully hijacked this thread aye...
Because you wanted to know:


slavery:
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment." (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

kill homosexuals:
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)


If you wanna know more, check this out:
Murder in the Bible


See ya round the forums man :jointsmile: Cheers

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Originally Posted by L Rag

And I just wanna say, I've enjoyed this discussion - usually whenever I have discussions about god it turns into personal insults and shit, so cheers for keepin it to the point :jointsmile:

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i would have to say the same.. It was a blast sharing each other ideas, questions, thoughts and not straying and letting our differences or concerns hinder a good ol discussion..
first for me..
left you rep points.. thanks for the time tonight.. off to bed


PS. I will check what it says.. sometimes you have to read back a bit and forward a bit to understand the context it was written in..
Ill start a thread inviting you to return and we can continue.. my wife enjoyed being a part of it too..

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If gods omnipotent, how come we live in such a fucked up world? Paedophiles and rapists and murderers and suicide bombers...

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"omni" means ALL. that means NOTHING IS LEFT OUT.



Therefore, god makes everything and all that is included is both good and bad.


GOD, as a ONE TRUE god, is NOT A GOOD FUCKING SEMARITAN! (sp?) if there is ONE SINGLE SOURCE, then everything that is good and evil MUST come from THAT source.

IF it is omniscient, then it KNOWS the past, present, and future, and EVERYTHING they entitle.




Infinity.

it leaves nothing out.

Nothing.

it is all inclusive.

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Originally Posted by L Rag

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

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Thats the difference between the new test and the old test..
I am sure your reading it right, but the new test is the standards of todays life..

I think the answers you seek are in the new test..
like in old, moses had many wifes. many prophets did. Eye for a eye.
Things changed after god sent christ down..

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

"omni" means ALL. that means NOTHING IS LEFT OUT.



Therefore, god makes everything and all that is included is both good and bad.


GOD, as a ONE TRUE god, is NOT A GOOD FUCKING SEMARITAN! (sp?) if there is ONE SINGLE SOURCE, then everything that is good and evil MUST come from THAT source.

IF it is omniscient, then it KNOWS the past, present, and future, and EVERYTHING they entitle.




Infinity.

it leaves nothing out.

Nothing.

it is all inclusive.

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Yup I am familiar with what omnipotent means.
But just because something is omnipotent, doesn't mean that thing has to include everything, it just means that that being can do anything. Omnipotent - can do anything. Omnipotent does not mean anything and everything, an omnipotent being can do anything. And wouldn't, for example, stopping slavery be under the title of 'anything'?
Just as allowing slavery would be as well. So I don't really see what you're saying.

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Thats the difference between the new test and the old test..
I am sure your reading it right, but the new test is the standards of todays life..

I think the answers you seek are in the new test..
like in old, moses had many wifes. many prophets did. Eye for a eye.
Things changed after god sent christ down..

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Yeah thats a good point, and I realise that the new testament is much more in line with the morals of todays society, and I probably wouldn't have a problem with the new testament. This is where I see a problem: god wrote the old testament, right? (I'm assuming this is right, I don't actually know). Why should god's morals change? Isn't god the perfect being? Did he write the old testament, wait a few thousand years, then make some changes for the better? If so, then is he in some way experimenting with us? Because what I don't understand, is how a perfect being could be wrong. And, by changing the old testament to the new testament, isn't that indicating that god thought that the old testament was wrong in some places?

L-rag..

God is perfect, has always been, is, and will always be perfect..
Humans aren't perfect but he laid out a plan to enable his creations to fall and not have to face his full and mighty wrath..
Thats why he sent Jesus. God laid out very simple rules, and it was cut and dry.. Humans would of just keep getting themselves turned to pilers of salt, or get swallowed by whales and people would of continued see horrible punishment for their actions. God seeing that humans couldn't/wouldn't save themselves, God so LOVED the world he gave his only begotten son.. john 3:16

He continues to be patient with us and only wants you and every person on earth to love him and love thy neighbor..

No one ever said being a Father was easy..
Just have a piece of mind that god IS in control and live life as you feel god would or to where you think he might be proud..

Hey if you are going to look at it like a Catholic or Christian just read the book. Mary and Joseph had a baby boy that they named Jesus. I mean that's the way I look @ it..

According to BirdGirl. I am most likely going to make a statement that shouldn't be said BUT. This is strictly opinion.

God is a word for the unknown force that drives everything around us. What are particles made of? What is matter made of? What is energy made of? Maybe god is right in front of us on a daily basis. God is here on earth and maybe thats what the energy is that breaks off everything and allows things to happen. Low energy is a dead or dying thing, something that has been robbed of its energy, its god, but no matter cannot be created or destroyed so the energy ( god ) moves else where to where it is needed. Life is a constant cycle, everything happenes for a reason. Maybe god is part of everything nature has created and what man has created, man needed what god created to make its own products. The particles and energy are still present still in man made products.

Godly subatomic particles.

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Yup I am familiar with what omnipotent means.
But just because something is omnipotent, doesn't mean that thing has to include everything, it just means that that being can do anything. Omnipotent - can do anything. Omnipotent does not mean anything and everything, an omnipotent being can do anything. And wouldn't, for example, stopping slavery be under the title of 'anything'?
Just as allowing slavery would be as well. So I don't really see what you're saying.

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consider "everything" as qualifications for USING anything.


oh god, and then you think there is such a thing as a perfect being that is biased! HOW IMPERFECT IS THAT???


Perfect MUST be ALL INCLUSIVE, 100% yin, 100% yang, good AND evil.

imperfect is 100% good, or 100% evil. perfect is 100% both.