Pics of My Plants... potential grow log I suppose...

3 Afghans, 1 Trainwreck, 1 Orange Bud, 3 "mixed". All seeds were purchased online except for the Trainwreck, which was found in a bag. This heat wave in the Southeastern U.S. hit just as I put them outside. I think that week of 100 degree heat hurt them. I'm not sure. I kept them well watered, but maybe I even over-watered them. I never really let the soil dry out. I'm not sure if you're supposed to when they are that small. I don't think the yellowing leaves occurs from over-watering though... from what I've read it is usually heat burn or nutrient burn (or lack of nutrients I guess).

I had them in some store bought potting mix... no fertilizer added. I burnt my babies to death last year using miracle grow potting mix from the start, and didn't want to do that again.

I'm guessing they just got burnt up in the heat. What do you think? It's the lower leaves that are yellow and curved up, so hopefully they all are recovering now.

Just in case it was the lack of nutes that was causing the problem, I repotted them in the current pots yesterday (taking them out of the plastic cups they were in) along with a tsp. of 5-5-5 granules in each pot, mixed in. I also sprinkled 1/2 to 1/4 tsp. of the fertilizer granules (link below) around the top. Hopefully I didn't over fertilize them... we'll see I guess.

What do you think? Did the heat do it, or am I just an idiot and they were over fertilized already... and now I just made sure of their demise? I guess if they start looking worse I should try flush out the nutes I just added.

Potting Mix: Fafard Professional Potting Mix - 8 QT at Merrifield Garden Center

5-5-5: All-Purpose Fertilizer

P.S. - They area they are located in gets about 6 hours of direct sunlight a day.

Lookin fine...I would back up off the water and let the soil just about dry out in between waterings. This lets the roots search more inturn creating growth above also. Also less water prevents the chances of root rot.

Personally I think they are overferted already.....if they continue to go downhill I would consider flushing, especially since you just repotted them with MORE ferts.

Otherwise heat, but I have a feeling its your ferts.....heat would make the entire plant look bad at once.

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Personally I think they are overferted already.....if they continue to go downhill I would consider flushing, especially since you just repotted them with MORE ferts.

Otherwise heat, but I have a feeling its your ferts.....heat would make the entire plant look bad at once.

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Shit! I hope its not too much fertilizer. Since I worked some granules into the top layer flushing might actually make the problem worse. I might have to re-pot again and try to remove the soil around the roots as much as I can if that really is the problem.

But if that is really the case, what soil can I replace it with? The link to my potting mix is above. It doesn't seem to have any fertilizer in it. I'm mean, I'm sure it had something in there the plant could eat... but do you really think they could get over-fed from that? They looked this way before I even added any fertilizer.

If that is the case, I guess I need to just use rock-wool to start out next time or something like that. I'm not sure I could buy soil that has absolutely no food at all in it.

Thanks for the advice you all. I'll let you know how things go.

Well I'm trying some new seedlings in something called Happy Frog.....Stinky suggested it so here goes.....I'll let you know how MINE do.

Can't tell you anything about your soil.....I'm looking strictly at the plant itself and what the symptoms are saying to me. the link to your soil says "ph adjusted".....to what if I may ask? I seem to remember Stinky saying peat moss was a no no because of it's acidic ph......

Those are just guesses on my part as i'm no soil pro for sure.....but in looking at the plant itself it seems like overfert. If the plant gets WORSE in the new soil you can be pretty sure that's the problem.

Yeah I agree they look like they have been over fertalized. I like using liqued nutrients so you know exactly how much they are being fertalized.

Visited the plants today... I guess they were over-fertilized after all. I added a little bit of 5-5-5 like I said earlier, and now, as you can see, the lower leaves that were yellow are now totally dead and withered, and the higher leaves are now yellowing. Damn... I should not have added fertilizer after all I guess. I thought surely the problem was that the plants were under fed, because I hadn't fed them yet.

That Fafard potting mix must have had a lot of food in it after all, even though it didn't say it had any. I'm kind of pissed that it says "perfect for starting seedlings" when in reality it over-fed my babies like a mo-fo. Oh well... another lesson learned I guess. Next year I'm starting in rockwool for sure.

Do any of you start in rock wool or another soil-less mix? If so, when do you start feeding the plants?

I suppose I need to flush these ASAP, but we've been getting rain and the soil hasn't dried totally out for a couple days. I want to let it dry out so I don't continue drowning the plants. Plus the rain has helped flush them I'm sure.

Also, I think I'm going to get a Ph tester. I haven't tested the soil or my water... I figured, how bad off could it really be? Given my poor performance so far with these plants, I should probably be doing everything I can to give these plants the perfect environment...

Tested the ph of my soil and of my water today.

My water (tap water) is 7.0.
My soil, tested with a separate test kit, is 6.0.

So I'm guessing overfeeding was now definitely the problem... since ph seems to be at an acceptable level.

Keep that in mind whenever you use Fafard potting mix, I guess... might want to mix in some extra soiless medium, or just not start seeds in it at all. Lord willing I'm not in jail next year, I guess I'll try starting in rock wool and see if the plants look healthier.

The plants just seem to be growing a lot slower then they did last year.

I had some green fungus looking stuff growing on the tops of the soil last time I checked. I tried to get rid of it as best I good. I guess it was because the soil stayed wet with the rain over the past 4 days or so. That happened last year too, and it didn't seem to hurt the plant.

I'm letting a couple of the plants go extra long without water. I've been watering all the plants whenever the first inch of soil goes dry, because the pots are big for the plants and I don't want to let the whole thing go dry for fear of hurting the plants. But I'm going to let those two plants go without water until they start to look a little rough (thirsty) and then give it to them. I'm going to see if that makes the roots get bigger and helps these little plants of mine grow faster despite by nutritional abuse. If it does, I guess I'll start doing that with all the plants.

i dont think its the soil that is burning your seedlings. its the granules that you added. repot back into that soil if you still have some fresh left and dont feed it until its a couple weeks in. and then you do it very lightly, 1/4 dosage

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i dont think its the soil that is burning your seedlings. its the granules that you added. repot back into that soil if you still have some fresh left and dont feed it until its a couple weeks in. and then you do it very lightly, 1/4 dosage

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Are you sure? The first pics I posted showed the yellowing leaves, and that was before I added the granules...

it very well could be the soil, but considering it said good for seedlings... I am not sure, but the yellowing could be from overwatering if it has been raining a lot. they are just way too young to be adding any ferts

hope ya figure it out :jointsmile:

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it very well could be the soil, but considering it said good for seedlings... I am not sure, but the yellowing could be from overwatering if it has been raining a lot. they are just way too young to be adding any ferts

hope ya figure it out :jointsmile:

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Yeah, the ferts certainly didn't help things. It made them a little worse... but they're still alive and mostly green...

I imagine for re-potting to make a difference I would have to shake all the "hot" soil out from the roots. I've never done that... I always just put the rootball into the new pot, with all the old soil still in the roots. Would it kill the plant if I shook it all out? I can only imagine that damages some of the roots.

I don't know if it would be more stressful to re-pot them or just make sure to flush the soil good when I water them.

Do it in this order:
-Put big holes in the pots they are in, and flush them out well with tap water.
-Put some more holes in the sides of the pots, to help dry and aerate the soil.
-Wait for the soil to dry out pretty well
-Transplant into slightly larger pots with fresh, light soil that has a lot of perlite in it.

Thanks for the advice. I'm definitely going to follow it, I've just been busy. I haven't even watered them for a couple weeks, but its been raining enough for them. I may just stick them in their final pots in a few weeks, with extra drainage holes, ventilation, and perlite.

A National Guard helicopter was slowly flying/hovering over some prime growing land about 2 miles away from my grow spot yesterday. They definitely were looking for something. It made me a little nervous, but what can you do? I'm planning on finishing these babies in pots, not in the ground. I know that makes them easier to spot, but to be honest I figure if a helicopter flys over my grow spot looking for cannabis, I'm fucked regardless. I want them in pots because I want to be able to move the males once they flower, but keep them alive so I can harvest seeds this year.

The National Guard along with the local sheriff pulled up a grow with 35,000 plants in a National Forest not far from the one I'm in a few weeks ago. They're on the hunt down here, that's for sure. Hopefully they won't spot my 8 plants as easily.

If they do spot and pull my grow, I just hope they don't catch me in the process... and that they get twice as many spider, chigger, and tick bites as I've gotten down in that God-forsaken swamp.

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The National Guard along with the local sheriff pulled up a grow with 35,000 plants in a National Forest not far from the one I'm in a few weeks ago. They're on the hunt down here,

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Holly shit is that wright 35,000 plants W.T.F I can not imagine what that looked like. It had to look like a Fuc&%^ Rain Forrest. 35,000 plants who the how many people do you think were working that crop?

Were did they have a bust like that What State? I want to find a article....

You don't need to leave males past the time they release pollen if you want seeds. Just make sure that pollination has occurred by checking for seed development in the calyxes, and then you can kill them. The females will still bear seed.

Ohhhh Shit This Is IT!!!!

Local News
Multimillion-dollar marijuana field busted in Cocke County
News Sentinel staff
Originally published 12:25 p.m., June 24, 2008
Updated 12:25 p.m., June 24, 2008

NEWPORT - A drug raid Monday led to the seizure of more than 350,000 marijuana plants, authorities said.

The plants, most of them fewer than 2 months old, would have carried an estimated $700 million in street value at maturity, according to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation.

A Tennessee Highway Patrol helicopter pilot spotted the plants Monday morning growing in the Cherokee National Forest near Interstate 40, about 5 miles from the Tennessee-North Carolina line, according to the TBI. The growers lived on a campsite there and tended the pot for months at a time, authorities said.

Investigators estimate they'd been using the site for years.

Authorities didn't find anyone at the camp site Monday, according to the TBI, but expect arrests to follow.

The THP, the Cocke County Sheriff's Department, the TBI, the National Park Service, and other law enforcement agencies took part in the raid.

More details as they develop online and in Wednesday's News Sentinel


HOLLY SHIT

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Holly shit is that wright 35,000 plants W.T.F I can not imagine what that looked like. It had to look like a Fuc&%^ Rain Forrest. 35,000 plants who the how many people do you think were working that crop?

Were did they have a bust like that What State? I want to find a article....

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Here's the article of the recent bust near me....
35,000 Pot Plants Seized In Harnett County - News - NBC 17

Nothing like the 350,000 they found in the mountains, but stilll 35,000 is ridiculous. Just shows what kind of demand there is I guess. Yeah, there had to be a few people involved in this one. They did a lot of work clearing trees and such... not to mention the work of actually planting all those freaking things.

I visited the plants this morning, and a couple of them have some holes eaten through their leaves. A grasshopper looking thing (but much thinner and smaller... and almost translucent) was sitting on one of them. I flicked it off. I wanted to take some pictures, but my camera ran out of batteries.

Do you have any advice concerning what I should do about this? Should I purchase some insecticide soap or something? Or some Sevin? I have no idea... I just know I don't want these plants to get eaten up. They're just now starting to recover from the over feeding they got earlier. I'll try to get some pictures if that might be helpful.

Also, a thunderstorm knocked over my Trainwreck while I was out of town over the weekend. It looks pretty much dead. So now I'm down to 7 plants.

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Ohhhh Shit This Is IT!!!!

Local News
Multimillion-dollar marijuana field busted in Cocke County
News Sentinel staff
Originally published 12:25 p.m., June 24, 2008
Updated 12:25 p.m., June 24, 2008

NEWPORT - A drug raid Monday led to the seizure of more than 350,000 marijuana plants, authorities said.

The plants, most of them fewer than 2 months old, would have carried an estimated $700 million in street value at maturity, according to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation.

A Tennessee Highway Patrol helicopter pilot spotted the plants Monday morning growing in the Cherokee National Forest near Interstate 40, about 5 miles from the Tennessee-North Carolina line, according to the TBI. The growers lived on a campsite there and tended the pot for months at a time, authorities said.

Investigators estimate they'd been using the site for years.

Authorities didn't find anyone at the camp site Monday, according to the TBI, but expect arrests to follow.

The THP, the Cocke County Sheriff's Department, the TBI, the National Park Service, and other law enforcement agencies took part in the raid.

More details as they develop online and in Wednesday's News Sentinel


HOLLY SHIT

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I live about 20 miles away from where this happened.

Whats fucked up is marijuana as a cash crop is a big part of our local economy and these douche bag fuckers believe they are doing the right thing by raiding these grow sites. All it does is take money away from our community.

Here are some of the latest pics. This first post has one shot of all 7 remaining plants, a shot of the mixed sativas, and two

shots of the orange bud (the lone plant). You can see the damage from the tiny grasshoppers on the orange bud.

This post has shots of the 3 afghans, the only plants I really care about... as I want some indica seeds this year. You can see the damage from the grasshoppers on one of them too. For some reason the insects stayed off the mixed sativas.

Anyway, I hit all the plants with sevin, and I haven't seen a grasshopper since. I'm keeping an eye out for mites since sevin can cause mite outbreaks. I don't like chemicals, but I can't have my babies eaten up in front of me. Once they get bigger I'll stay away from the chemicals for sure, and especially once they start flower. But the insects were going to eat all the leaves. The damage in these pics is after they plants have healed up a bit... trust me, it was bad.

I figure at this early stage the sevin won't hurt the future smoke. I mean, they say the stuff is safe to use in vegetable gardens, so I'm sure it is fine to use 3+ months out from harvest. What do you think?

I know the plants seem a little over-watered. I've gotten a lot of rain lately, so not much I can do about that. The lower leaves are still yellow from when I over-nuted them (I guess). My theory is the plants are smart enough to dump all the extra nutes into a couple lower leaves... sort of like a sacrifice for the good of the rest of the leaves.

Anyway, in a week or two I want to get them out of these pots and into their final pots, with lots of perlite, drainage, and room to grow.

I have overcome alot of bug problems by allowing a spider to live on the plant.
Once the spider got so huge i had to kill him cause it would'nt let me touch the
plant at all.

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I have overcome alot of bug problems by allowing a spider to live on the plant.
Once the spider got so huge i had to kill him cause it would'nt let me touch the
plant at all.

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Cool. I'm assuming you found the spider there; you didn't buy him from a horticulture shop for specific pest control purposes or anything like that, right?

I found a spider about the size of my pinky nail on one of my afghans this morning. I guess I'll leave him there and see if it helps. Maybe I should kill him before he doesn't let me touch the plant though... LOL.

The Sevin stopped the grasshoppers in their tracks for sure though.

A couple days ago I found some wadded up, wet paper towels (like the kind from the long rolls in the public restroom dispensers) literally right next to my big 5 gallon water container at my grow spot. I keep the water about 20 yards from my plants, but not in view of them.

I could've sworn I never had paper towels back there. It kind of worried me.

Well, this morning I found a fresh, dry section of paper towel there... about 2 feet long. I know sure as hell that wasn't me. I thought, "Fuck... I bet my plants are gone." I thought that because I saw some sketchy looking people in the parking lot I access the spot from yesterday... as I drove by they just sat on their car and stared at me... and there is almost never anyone in that parking lot.

Anyway, the plants were still their and their starting too look a lot better. They're starting to smell a little too. :thumbsup:

I guess I'm going to hope it is just some animal that is finding this paper stuff and just dragging it into the woods. There is a park very nearby with trashcans, bathrooms, etc. I mean, the Man wouldn't just leave shit around if they found my grow... they'd be all discrete to try to catch me, or they'd just destroy the plants.

Part of me wants to move the plants as soon as possible. I'm finishing them somewhere else anyway... so I might as well just move them their early. Another part of me is like, "Just calm down dude, its all good." I hate this kind of sketchy bullshit that gets me paranoid.

what don't you understand about stealth?

I would abandon your project. Just my opinion, but then again I wouldn't of put them in a similar location. Far as LEO being discrete, don't count on it... The govt doesn't pay well enough to attract the best and brightest people in the world.

Yeah... I should've moved the plants the first time I saw a little bit of the paper towels back there. You're definitely right. Now that I saw a freshly torn piece the other day, I'd definitely be smart to just abandon the site.

However, I'm not smart. So I went back today (actually to move the plants) and the plants are were gone. Dammit. Either LEO took them or those sketchy people I saw in the parking lot took them. Dammit.

I'm tempted to be really fucking upset about this. I was really excited about growing some of my own... I've wanted to do that shit since I was freaking 12 years old. But I'm just going to be happy I'm not in jail. The last thing I need is a felony drug manufacturing charge on my record as I try to sit for the Bar. My career could be over before it even started... but its not, so I need to be happy about that. That's the way I'm going to look at this. It's been a good learning experience.

I would've never had the plants there, except I essentially started the seeds outside and they had to be relatively easy to get to because I had to be able to access them easily to water them while they were young. I don't have time to be hiking into the middle of nowhere everyday to water a bunch of seedling starter cups.

I should've just started and kept them inside my house until I could put them in the "finishing spot" way back in the middle of nowhere.

So anyway... like I said, I'm stupid. Let this be a lesson I suppose... hopefully I and some others can learn from this.

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Yeah... I should've moved the plants the first time I saw a little bit of the paper towels back there. You're definitely right. Now that I saw a freshly torn piece the other day, I'd definitely be smart to just abandon the site.

However, I'm not smart. So I went back today (actually to move the plants) and the plants are were gone. Dammit. Either LEO took them or those sketchy people I saw in the parking lot took them. Dammit.

I'm tempted to be really fucking upset about this. I was really excited about growing some of my own... I've wanted to do that shit since I was freaking 12 years old. But I'm just going to be happy I'm not in jail. The last thing I need is a felony drug manufacturing charge on my record as I try to sit for the Bar. My career could be over before it even started... but its not, so I need to be happy about that. That's the way I'm going to look at this. It's been a good learning experience.

I would've never had the plants there, except I essentially started the seeds outside and they had to be relatively easy to get to because I had to be able to access them easily to water them while they were young. I don't have time to be hiking into the middle of nowhere everyday to water a bunch of seedling starter cups.

I should've just started and kept them inside my house until I could put them in the "finishing spot" way back in the middle of nowhere.

So anyway... like I said, I'm stupid. Let this be a lesson I suppose... hopefully I and some others can learn from this.

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Most likely those people took them. I would doubt LEO would leave a sign for you, they're more likely to park a marked patrol car next to them rather than leave paper towels around, *shrug*. But if those people have them, their friend's friend's friend knows about them and so on. They'll get theirs soon enough and who knows maybe they'll catch your manufacturing charge with intent to distribute. :p

Karma... :rastasmoke:

Btw, if you have ANY drug related charge here in the USA you cannot and will not receive any sort of student loans, grants or any sort of financial assistance for college.

If there is a next time you decide to grow outside pick an area with a low population density, virtually no human traffic.

Well... I found two of my plants.

Let me explain. I was thinking, like you, that most likely it was not LEO... not only because I have a hard time thinking LEO would just leave paper towels behind for me to find before even taking the plants, but also because whoever it was also left my water container, fertilizer, and insecticide. LEO wouldn't have taken just the plants... if he took anything he would've taken everything (for evidence, or what have you).

So, fairly confident I wasn't facing the Man, I went back to the site to look around. (I hadn't looked around much when I first discovered my plants were not where I had left them, I just high tailed it out of there as fast as I could to be honest.)

Anyway, so I go back and start carefully looking around, and I found 3 of my plants way back tangled up deep in some briar pushes down about 5 yards from where they had been. It wasn't like someone could've just thrown them back there... it was almost like they got put there, because they were all tangled into the branches and were deep, very close to the ground. Very strange, to be honest. I was a little confused.

One of them had a almost broken stem. The others were looking VERY rough... like they'd been through... a flood or a severe thunderstorm.

You see, the night before I discovered my plants were missing we had severe thuderstorms come through. There were pretty rough... 50+ mph winds (probably some 75mph gusts), and a *lot* of very driving rain. My new theory is that the storm blew the plants away, or that the creek they are beside temporarily rose and washed the pots all away. The water is still very high in that creek, so that is a real possibility.

All I could find were those three plants. I just pulled the broken stem plant out of its dirt so I could use some of its dirt to fill in the missing dirt from the other two pots (some of their roots were a little exposed, etc.). I think the two surviving plants are an Afghan and a mixed sativa. I'm not sure though.

I'm still nervous as hell about that spot, so I just left the two there in a slightly shaded area to see if they'll survive and high tailed it out of there again. I'm going to go back very early tomorrow morning, and if the plants are still there and looking better I'm going to move them to the "backwoods" location.

I'm still very nervous, but I'm fairly confident the spot was not compromised after all. The storms that came through were really strong and now that I think about it, they easily could've done this. The paper still has me nervous, but not so much so that I'm not going to try to at least get the survivors out of there.

I'm still a bit upset, but I feel better now. I don't think I got ripped off. As close as that spot is to "civilization", I had put a lot of thought into the spot to be honest, and I'm confident no one goes back there unless they are specifically looking for marijuana. It is fairly thick and difficult, and unless you have taken extreme measures (DEET, long plants tucked into socks, long sleeves, the whole 9 yards) you get bit up like a mutha by spiders and ticks before you even get close to my plants. I seriously have a spider and a tick on me every time I leave the area.

Anyway, the lesson still to be learned from this is still not to raise young plants outside unless your doing a full on start in the ground grow. The plants are too fragile to be sitting around in light pots in the elements. Also, there is still the possibility that my spot was compromised by someone since I have to have it relatively easy to access for the young plants.

I just hope one of these two survivors is a female, otherwise this is going to be a repeat of last year (3 survivors out of 10 or so, and all were male).

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Most likely those people took them. I would doubt LEO would leave a sign for you, they're more likely to park a marked patrol car next to them rather than leave paper towels around, *shrug*. But if those people have them, their friend's friend's friend knows about them and so on. They'll get theirs soon enough and who knows maybe they'll catch your manufacturing charge with intent to distribute. :p

Karma... :rastasmoke:

Btw, if you have ANY drug related charge here in the USA you cannot and will not receive any sort of student loans, grants or any sort of financial assistance for college.

If there is a next time you decide to grow outside pick an area with a low population density, virtually no human traffic.

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you didnt get ripped off... you got dumped on...:(

The plants are alive. They look like hell though. They have brown spots all over every leaf except for the new growth at the very top, and many of the tips are brown and curling up (or down). I'm not going to worry about ph or nutrient problems at this point. I'm guessing the plants are just extremely stressed out from what they've been through. Does that sound right? Every leaf was probably very damaged as they got tossed around and buried in the brier patch.

I believe the two surviving plants are both afghans, by the way. As the plants grew I noticed the afghan leaves were twice as fat as the other strains' leaves (you can see for yourself in the last set of pictures), and both the survivors have the fatter leaves. I'm happy about that, because the main reason I grew this year was to be able to try some indica. Hopefully they'll live and one will turn out female. Though with all this stress, perhaps I'm destined for the same fate as last year... the few survivors of the season will all turn out male.

Say a prayer for my plants please!

From looking at your pics I see you are using green pots. If its hot where you are and those pots are getting direct sunlight, they are heating up the soil and cooking your roots. That's what I had happen to me so I have a little experience with this one.
As far as Miracle grow goes... after a month or two the nutrient levels in the soil are depleted quite a bit (not completely but still they're lower) so I would go with the heat thing.

Just keep an eye on your babies and see how they look. They'll tell you if something is bothering them by the leaf structure and color. If they're green and happy leave it alone, nature knows better than we do ;) Also, I know how tempting it is to wanna feed the crap outta those babies, but you should just be patient and watch your plants carefully... they'll let you know if they need food.

I hope this helps my friend! Good luck and a great harvest to you!!!

Zion

Hey,

Here is an update on my two surviving plants (with some pics) and some questions. I believe they are both Afghans. They are about 18" tall or so. I moved them into 3 gallon pots on July 16 (a week and a half ago) along with some more of the 5-5-5 fertilizer mixed into the soil and sprinkled heartily on top. They are in the new, more secluded grow area. I used around 20-30% perlite and put some extra holes in the pot (like yous said, stinky). It still may not be enough though, as the soil is staying quite moist even though I haven't watered them once (we've had 2 or 3 rain showers). There is even some algae looking stuff growing on top of the soil.

I'm considering putting them in the ground to see if that helps the drainage (and also to give their roots plenty of room). If I did that should I use perlite? Or does the ground just drain better regardless? Or do you think I'd be better just sticking with pots and moving up to 5 gallon pots in a couple weeks?

The plants look *a lot* better. You can see how rough the bottom set of leaves looks. The whole plant looked like that 3 weeks ago... all the leaves were brown and yellow and had holes in them. Remember, most of my plants were blown/washed away in a severe thunderstorm and I found these two survivors wrapped up under a brier bush downstream two days later. So I am very happy they are doing well.

If one of these turns out female I'll be overjoyed. These are the last of the seeds I had from an order two years ago. I've never had indica, and last year all plants were males... so I really want this to work out.

Both plants have what looks like the beginnings of new branches at the nodes (especially visible in the shot taken such that you have to cock your head to the right to look at it). But one also has some white hairs there too (not the one in the side shot). Its probably just me getting my hopes up I suppose. I would think it is too early to tell sex. I tried to take a picture of it, but my hand was shaking too much and it was blurry.

The picture taken on the side also shows the leave damage at the bottom, and also shows how less full the plants seem when looked at from another angle. All the leaves are facing the west, where the plants generally get the most light from. I figure I'll just leave them facing that direction since the plant is adapting to that positioning.... I figure in nature the plants don't get moved around much, you know?

God bless!

One more question... considering I top fed with the NPK 5-5-5 granules a week and a half ago (and mixed it into the new pot) and the plants don't look overfed, I'm thinking about getting NPK 10-2-2 or something like that to feed them to help the vegetative growth even more.

Do you think they look good enough to stick to the NPK 5-5-5, or should I load up the N and see if they take off even more?

(When I'm sure they are flowering I plan on hitting them with some bat guano which has high P, supposedly).

<<Do you have any advice concerning what I should do about this? Should I purchase some insecticide soap or something? Or some Sevin?>>

Check out my bug fix- She showed up about 8 weeks ago as a tiny white baby.. Now she has grown.. and turned green/red.. here is a pic of her eating some poor bug that landed in 'her' paradise... :) She's soooo rad... Don't know what I'll do w/her when harvest time comes..

Sky
p.s. they are sold at the stores.. Home Depot/Lowes.. etc.. They come in a container.. But they are in egg sacks I think, that you put on your plant.. and they hatch.. good luck!

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Originally Posted by SkyGrly

<<Do you have any advice concerning what I should do about this? Should I purchase some insecticide soap or something? Or some Sevin?>>

Check out my bug fix- She showed up about 8 weeks ago as a tiny white baby.. Now she has grown.. and turned green/red.. here is a pic of her eating some poor bug that landed in 'her' paradise... :) She's soooo rad... Don't know what I'll do w/her when harvest time comes..

Sky
p.s. they are sold at the stores.. Home Depot/Lowes.. etc.. They come in a container.. But they are in egg sacks I think, that you put on your plant.. and they hatch.. good luck!

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Very cool, Sky. I'm going to look into that. I suppose she is a praying mantis, is that right?

I checked the plants yesterday... both the plants seem to be showing signs of being female. Yes! Check out the pictures; what do you think? I've never had a female before, so I'm not sure, but they sure do look the part to me.

I was hoping for one male and one female to pollinate this season because this was my last batch of seeds and I get nervous about ordering seeds. But I can't complain if they're both females... it's better then all males like last year! Besides, at the rate I smoke two females would probably produce years worth of bud for me anyway.

Strange things keep happening at my grow sites. At my starter site, if you recall, I mysteriously had paper towels start showing up near where I stashed my nutes and water. I assumed it was an animal that dragged them out of nearby trash cans, but I got the hell out of dodge anyway (not before a thunderstorm wiped out 5 of my 7 plants, but that's another story).

Now my plants are in my finishing site, which is a good half mile hike through woods (bushwacking, there are no trails) and then a good 50 yards into thick, dense swamp that any sane person would have to use waders to get through. Still, the other day it seems someone got back there and broke my walking stick.

You see, I use a lightweight walking stick to get through the woods (to knock down spider webs with, primarily) and a heavier stick to get through the swamp (to help me balance and to fend off the occasional rattlesnake or water moccasin). I leave the heavy "swamp" stick leaning against a particular tree at the edge of the swamp a ways down from where I enter the swamp. I leave it that way partially to see if anyone else goes back there... because most people would grab it if they saw it... it is just one of those sticks that feels good to hold.

Well, when I went back a couple days ago the stick was lying on the ground with the end broken off. I chose that stick precisely because of the good end it had (with the slight "Y" or fork that is good for trapping snake's heads). The stick was not rotten at all and was quite strong actually. The only way I can think it broke is if someone broke it intentionally... which is a bit nerve racking.

I have a hunting camera focused on my plants that takes pictures in the daytime or at night (with an invisible infrared flash) if anything moves around them. No one has been near my plants. But it definitely seems someone has been at least to the edge of the swamp.

It's just weird... I wouldn't expect anyone to be back there at all. You can't see my plants from that spot, but it is still too close for comfort.

(that's the stick in the pic, and, yes, a bottle of pee. It keeps the deer and rabbits away)

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Originally Posted by jsn9333

Strange things keep happening at my grow sites. At my starter site, if you recall, I mysteriously had paper towels start showing up near where I stashed my nutes and water. I assumed it was an animal that dragged them out of nearby trash cans, but I got the hell out of dodge anyway (not before a thunderstorm wiped out 5 of my 7 plants, but that's another story).

Now my plants are in my finishing site, which is a good half mile hike through woods (bushwacking, there are no trails) and then a good 50 yards into thick, dense swamp that any sane person would have to use waders to get through. Still, the other day it seems someone got back there and broke my walking stick.

You see, I use a lightweight walking stick to get through the woods (to knock down spider webs with, primarily) and a heavier stick to get through the swamp (to help me balance and to fend off the occasional rattlesnake or water moccasin). I leave the heavy "swamp" stick leaning against a particular tree at the edge of the swamp a ways down from where I enter the swamp. I leave it that way partially to see if anyone else goes back there... because most people would grab it if they saw it... it is just one of those sticks that feels good to hold.

Well, when I went back a couple days ago the stick was lying on the ground with the end broken off. I chose that stick precisely because of the good end it had (with the slight "Y" or fork that is good for trapping snake's heads). The stick was not rotten at all and was quite strong actually. The only way I can think it broke is if someone broke it intentionally... which is a bit nerve racking.

I have a hunting camera focused on my plants that takes pictures in the daytime or at night (with an invisible infrared flash) if anything moves around them. No one has been near my plants. But it definitely seems someone has been at least to the edge of the swamp.

It's just weird... I wouldn't expect anyone to be back there at all. You can't see my plants from that spot, but it is still too close for comfort.

(that's the stick in the pic, and, yes, a bottle of pee. It keeps the deer and rabbits away)

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It could be swamp ninjas... You never know what lurks about in the woods.

Is your camera easily seen, or obvious?

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Originally Posted by SouthernGuerilla

It could be swamp ninjas... You never know what lurks about in the woods.

Is your camera easily seen, or obvious?

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Yeah, who knows. Some bear probably used it to scratch his ass.

In order to see my camera you basically have to get in view of it (and get pictured), unless you came from behind. But behind isn't the natural way to walk through that area... the swamp gets really nasty back there. The camera just gives me a little piece of mind I guess.

To be honest, the main thing I use the camera for is to survey my grow supplies during the winter and fall hunting seasons. I leave them in a camouflaged rubber maid box about 500 yards from my grow spot all year long. I have a policy of absolutely no grow supplies on my property, b/c in my state the cops take whatever property was in any way related to growing or grow supplies if you get busted growing.

Anyway, if some hunter discovered my supplies I'd want to know and change spots. I'm not worried so much about someone discovering my actual grow. In the end, if my plants were spotted, the cops would care less if I filmed them ripping them up. But in the rare event that they left the plants to try to catch me, I would know from the camera I guess....