If we are an accident, then what is the point?

If life is indeed, a cosmic accident, what is the point to anything? If after death we cease to exist, why live?

How about because we can.

By living life and evolving, you are sharing in the tree of knowledge. If the universe shares the same pulse with the earth and humans then by experiencing things, we are in fact manifesting our own reality. I tend to think of God as not as one being, spirit, or the like, but as the trandsendance of knowledge through life. In tern we are god.

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Originally Posted by psychocat

How about because we can.

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Being able to makes no difference. If we consider the aforementioned assumptions to be true - then the outcome is always the same.

So why bother?

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Originally Posted by BathingApes

Being able to makes no difference. If we consider the aforementioned assumptions to be true - then the outcome is always the same.

So why bother?

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Take a toke, sit back and enjoy the ride..

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Originally Posted by illnillinois

Take a toke, sit back and enjoy the ride..

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Thats what I say, since there is no way of knowing for sure, so I might as well just live. But say you know definitely that nothing happens after death, and you are sure that you simply cease to exist - then what is the point?

Why does there need to be a point, though? Aren't the things you experience made even better by the fact that there's no afterlife (if true)? Wouldn't that be even more reason to enjoy every second--because thats all you get...? :rastasmoke:

DrSpiggs

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Originally Posted by DrSpoof

Why does there need to be a point, though? Aren't the things you experience made even better by the fact that there's no afterlife (if true)? Wouldn't that be even more reason to enjoy every second--because thats all you get...? :rastasmoke:

DrSpiggs

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That's my conclusion, too. No need to search for "the meaning of life" because there is none; to wonder at life is a good thing, to seek a Point to it is, I'm afraid, a human foible.

Because even though we are an accident we are a very good accident. In my opinion what's a better reason to keep on living and existing than the fact that our existense is so extraordinary. There isn't a meaning to life except what you personally make it.

Run with it I say. Be the best freak accident you can be.

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

Because even though we are an accident we are a very good accident. In my opinion what's a better reason to keep on living and existing than the fact that our existense is so extraordinary. There isn't a meaning to life except what you personally make it.

Run with it I say. Be the best freak accident you can be.

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I think everyone is missing the point. Im not arguing whether there is meaning to life, or whether us being an accident (if true), actually has any sort of profound inherent meaning, rather, my point is, if we all die and cease to exist, then what is the point, to anything?

Does there have to be a point? I dont know. But if there doesnt, then thats the same as not having one essentially, which means that nothing matters, ever.

Hmmmm,


Well thats a riddle wrapped in a conundrum and lost into an enigma. I think I need to get high to wrap my head around this.

uh... 3 words... Brazilian Scuba Diving...

Look it up...

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Originally Posted by NaughtyDreadz

uh... 3 words... Brazilian Scuba Diving...

Look it up...

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Roger Roger!!

Sex the answer is sex.

It's truly the reason to live.

Like I said earlier, by living you are adding to God, the Universe and all the knowledge in it. Kind of like a living biosphere (the earth)

actually.. I was just thinking more like... being a bon vivant... good bud, traveling, learning, enjoying... Carpe Vagina baby...

This also explains evolution. By having 5 senses you are interpreting the world around you. This is built up over time in your life and adds to the overall goal... evolution.

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Originally Posted by illnillinois

Roger Roger!!

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uh... Urban Dictionary, June 10: Trill ;)

I believe we are intelligence, or a holy love for awareness...particles in a constant flow of reflections.


These will give you something to think about:

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Originally Posted by BathingApes

I think everyone is missing the point. Im not arguing whether there is meaning to life, or whether us being an accident (if true), actually has any sort of profound inherent meaning, rather, my point is, if we all die and cease to exist, then what is the point, to anything?

Does there have to be a point? I dont know. But if there doesnt, then thats the same as not having one essentially, which means that nothing matters, ever.

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I think i understand what you mean. If we are going to die, what is the point in working hard, earning money, buying a house, cars, having a family, etc, cause in the end we will die and everything will disappear (for the one who died)?

I already thought about it, and agree with you that, in the long run, nothing is actually important, besides the fact we gonna die. All the things people deems important are only follies, illusions, cause in the end everything ends (of course lol).

So, what can we do about this? IMHO, if we are here, and if we know our stay here is limited, and soon will end, than i think we should enjoy it the best way we can, cause its actually the only choice we have. We cant decide the amount of time we will live. We only can decide what we will do with the time we have.

One major problem, I believe, is that these huge corporations spend billions of dollars on advertising to tell people they need to buy things to feel good, to be free, and to be cool. But in the end what do you have? Just a whole bunch of shit that eventually destroys the environment. I believe you should look inside yourself and find something that makes you happy at the same time causing as little suffering around you. There really is nothing else you can do to correctly coexist with nature. Its all about karma man, Live your life doing as many good things to others around and it will all be returned, but you have to believe.

it's the eternal question I had with my mom hen I was a kid...

WHY DO I HAVE TO MAKE MY BED??? IF TONIGHT I'M GONNA COME HOME AND MESS IT UP TONIGHT ANYWAY???

If you have to ask why live then your not living enough.

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Originally Posted by MadSativa

If you have to ask why live then your not living enough.

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Genius

It's the journey. Enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by BathingApes

I think everyone is missing the point. Im not arguing whether there is meaning to life, or whether us being an accident (if true), actually has any sort of profound inherent meaning, rather, my point is, if we all die and cease to exist, then what is the point, to anything?

Does there have to be a point? I dont know. But if there doesnt, then thats the same as not having one essentially, which means that nothing matters, ever.

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take some acid and once you get some good enough youll stop worrying about that shit it will finally hit you that it doenst matter.

I never understood why people think life is an accident in the first place. If life can exist in the harshest of conditions and on other planets not to mention other dimensional planes not limited to the 4 we live in (the 4th being time) then why should it be an accident. Its not difficult to understand how life began using the properties of carbon atoms, hydrogen, oxygen, electricity and amino acids, all stuff born from stars that are abundant in our universe.
There are NO accidents in the universe and beyond. Only infinite possibilities.

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Originally Posted by JeffersonBud

I never understood why people think life is an accident in the first place. If life can exist in the harshest of conditions and on other planets not to mention other dimensional planes not limited to the 4 we live in (the 4th being time) then why should it be an accident. Its not difficult to understand how life began using the properties of carbon atoms, hydrogen, oxygen, electricity and amino acids, all stuff born from stars that are abundant in our universe.
There are NO accidents in the universe and beyond. Only infinite possibilities.

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Whilst I concede that life may not be an accident, to claim that there are NO accidents "in the universe and beyond" is both unfounded in logic and reasoning. When I refer to "accident" - I mean something without cause. In other words, creation without a creator. The opposite of the cosmological argument if you like. I'm aware that there could indeed be a God, but for the sake of keeping this discussion away from the general religion vs. science BS that fills the internet these days, let's just assume, in terms of answering the question (it isn't a statement) - that there isn't.

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Originally Posted by suhl

take some acid and once you get some good enough youll stop worrying about that shit it will finally hit you that it doenst matter.

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I've done acid before. Trust, it was good shit. However, your point is essentially my point exactly. The statement doesn't matter, nothing matters, ever, if life ceases to exist. Forget emotions or feelings for a second, they are simply relative to life, and without life, (assuming there is no afterlife) they cannot be present. I concur, that essentially this doesn't make a difference, because the existence/absence of God cannot be proven or disproven. Neither can anything - nothing is truly true - and because of this I'm aware that this discussion will lead nowhere.

In ironic contradiction of my initial statement, let's discuss it anyway.


"And we don't know
just where our bones will rest.
To dust i guess.
Forgotten and absorbed into the earth below"

- Billy Corgan.

First off my idea about the universe is not a religion. information is god to me. I guess you can put every idea including the people who don't believe in a religion, into a religion. if that makes any sense. I do not want a following of any kind nor for my idea of how the cosmos work to influence the way others think. It is for me and me alone.
Second, if there are infinite possibilities, then there are no such thing as accidents. If reality is in fact not real and by consciousness, we manifest our own destiny, then anything can happen and will.
third, the "big bang" is in keeping with what you are saying and a theory that everyone is aware of. The big bang is indeed a conflict among cause and effect because "energy cannot be created nor destroyed". One more antimatter then matter would be impossible but as we all know can happen. we are living in it now.

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Originally Posted by BathingApes

I've done acid before. Trust, it was good shit. However, your point is essentially my point exactly. The statement doesn't matter, nothing matters, ever, if life ceases to exist. Forget emotions or feelings for a second, they are simply relative to life, and without life, (assuming there is no afterlife) they cannot be present. I concur, that essentially this doesn't make a difference, because the existence/absence of God cannot be proven or disproven. Neither can anything - nothing is truly true - and because of this I'm aware that this discussion will lead nowhere.

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I have an idea of where you are at at this moment in time. I've been in a very similar situation. The way I see it is that you can go over and over this stuff time and again and there is still no clear answer as no one knows what the point is. Everyone has their own idea or someone else's idea but there is no proof.

So I decided that life is living in the moment. Rather than going to end of my life in my mind I decided to step back from that and set a clear goal for myself. Something worth aiming for that makes the present moment more meaningful. We all feel the highs and lows of life but having a target that motivates me makes more highs than lows and essentially a better life. I still think about the point of it all but it doesn't bother me because I've created an artificial meaning that makes the present moment all that matters.

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Originally Posted by BathingApes

If life is indeed, a cosmic accident, what is the point to anything? If after death we cease to exist, why live?

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Life is not a 'cosmic accident' this concept that life is chance is false. There's nothing accidental about evolution, quite the contrary.

Why live if we know we're going to die?

Quite a nihilistic question and attitude. The point is that there is no objective morality, that we create our own essence through the choices we make based on what we value and desire. We only live once, so i suggest you turn that nihilistic attitude upside down and start embracing existence while you can.

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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue

Life is not a 'cosmic accident' this concept that life is chance is false. There's nothing accidental about evolution, quite the contrary.

Why live if we know we're going to die?

Quite a nihilistic question and attitude. The point is that there is no objective morality, that we create our own essence through the choices we make based on what we value and desire. We only live once, so i suggest you turn that nihilistic attitude upside down and start embracing existence while you can.

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Forget the stigma of "nihilism" for a second, and actually think. I've not once said I actually believe that, I've only asked people to apply something they don't believe in and actually see what they come up with. As of yet, all I've got are personal recommendations and warnings against nihilistic mentality.

I'm fully aware that it is all speculative, and because of that, I live my life to the fullest.

The point is, let's just forget that we choose to do it this way, step out of yourself a second - and think, why does anything matter if we all die anyway? Of course people feel uneasy and annoyed when you mention something like this, because it goes against everything they know.

But if, it turns out there is no afterlife, what stops everything form being meaningless?

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Originally Posted by BathingApes

The point is, let's just forget that we choose to do it this way, step out of yourself a second - and think, why does anything matter if we all die anyway?

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nothing does matter, everything in life is inherently empty. Significance is determined by the individual. This topic touches existentialism. Facing the absurdity of existence and finding meaning in it.

But from an evolutionary perspective, life does have meaning and that is to create more life. So if nothing at all remember to have sex.

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Originally Posted by BathingApes

But if, it turns out there is no afterlife, what stops everything form being meaningless?

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You. Discover love and spread it around.

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Originally Posted by BathingApes

The point is, let's just forget that we choose to do it this way, step out of yourself a second - and think, why does anything matter if we all die anyway? Of course people feel uneasy and annoyed when you mention something like this, because it goes against everything they know.

But if, it turns out there is no afterlife, what stops everything form being meaningless?

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Mate. You wont find the answer. There is either a point or there isn't. No one knows. So everyone who says there is a point and tells you what it is they are just giving their opinions.

What kind of point are you looking for?

Just a point, I guess.

Nothing wrong with wanting to know or finding out. Nice post.:)

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Originally Posted by BathingApes

Just a point, I guess.

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A lot of people ask these questions and I don't deny that curiosity on this subject can drive someone to distraction. Religions... governments... media... parents... friends and everyone else will give us information that we use to build up what we know of the world. I answered a different question to the one you posed. I see people fighting and arguing over whose idea is the real one without concrete scientific proof and I just sit back and let them agree to disagree or rip each other to pieces. I don't mind. I have my weed and my mission.

I only asked what point you were looking for as your idea may well have as much weight as any other idea.

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Originally Posted by BathingApes

Forget the stigma of "nihilism" for a second, - why should I? You're attitude is the definition of nihilism whether you believe it or not.


and actually think. - One can't exist without thinking.

I've not once said I actually believe that, I've only asked people to apply something they don't believe in and actually see what they come up with. As of yet, all I've got are personal recommendations and warnings against nihilistic mentality. - You can't always get what you want

I'm fully aware that it is all speculative, and because of that, I live my life to the fullest. - and how do you do that?

The point is, let's just forget that we choose to do it this way, - Why is this 'the point'? Why should i forget that my essence is created through the choices i make?

step out of yourself a second - and think, - One can't step outside of oneself and view oneself objectively, we are self-conscious, subjective beings. I'm always thinking.

why does anything matter if we all die anyway? - Things matter to different people, that's a question that implies that nothing in the world matters because of death or specifically human death. Happiness matters, loads of things matter, from science, music, art, nationalities, culture, language. Through death comes birth and vice versa, the cycle continues and this is what matters.

Of course people feel uneasy and annoyed when you mention something like this, because it goes against everything they know.

If you're implying i feel uneasy or annoyed at this discussion, you're incorrect.

But if, it turns out there is no afterlife, what stops everything form being meaningless?

You are what stops everything from being meaningless, you alone, no promise of an afterlife.

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Assuming it is an accident, Rebgirl gave her answers in 2nd & 3rd posts! I Like!
This is like saying; Why eat if all you are going to do is excrete it in feces! One, you have to; and 2) You eat what you like so you enjoy it and it is not a waste of time! If you apply that to your life. All of the above! sex, hobbies, friends and if you do not enjoy any of that; Be a volunteer--you may need something in your life that is more self fulfilling from others!

Only two things i would like to point...

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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue

One can't exist without thinking.

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I dont think its always true... i would rather say one cant think without existing...

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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue

One can't step outside of oneself and view oneself objectively, we are self-conscious, subjective beings. I'm always thinking.

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Well... maybe. Our consciousness is not our "self", our "i", so while we are bounded to be a percieving concsiousness, we still can leave our egos, our "i"s, and percieve them from outside with our pure consciousness.
And those who accomplish this learns that the sense of self is only another illusion, empty and void.