The Nazi death camp that Barack Obama's great-uncle helped liberate

Barack Obama, at a Memorial Day event in Las Cruces, N.M., credited his great-uncle, Charlie Payne, as being among the U.S. troops who liberated the Nazi concentration camp Auschwitz.

The trouble with that bit of history -- as the Republican National Committee pointed out today -- is that the Soviet Red Army was the military force that liberated the World War II death camp.

The RNC seized the opportunity to fire off a news release, saying that â??unless his uncle was serving in the Red Army, thereâ??s no way Obamaâ??s statement yesterday can be true. Obamaâ??s frequent exaggerations and outright distortions raise questions about his judgment and his readiness to lead as commander in chief.â?�

The Obama campaign soon acknowledged that the Democratic candidate made a mistake. It explained that Obamaâ??s great-uncle was in the 89th Infantry Division that helped liberate another notorious death camp, Buchenwald. Obama, the campaign said, â??is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II -- especially the fact that his great-uncle was part of liberating of one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald.â?�

All of which raises the question: What's worse, Obama's apparent gaffe or the RNC pouncing on a Holocaust-related historical mistake for political advantage?
The Nazi death camp that Barack Obama's great-uncle helped liberate : Top of the Ticket : Los Angeles Times

Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki responded with this comment: "Sen. Obama thinks Memorial Day is a day to honor our nation's veterans, not a day for political posturing."
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So proud of their service and accomplishments that he forgot what the real story was...hmmmm. As for myself, if my grandfather or great uncle was involved in that it would be etched into my brain out of pride and respect.

"Sen. Obama thinks Memorial Day is a day to honor our nation's veterans, not a day for political posturing.".....SURE, it's alright for him to bring up a historical mistake for political posturing but ya better not question it or invite the S.O.B. to a trip to Iraq because that's wrong. :rolleyes:

Nice to see this is the choice of the DNC.....:D

Have a good one!:s4:

Im sorry P4B, but Barack Obama, hell any Dem., is the better choice over Sen. John McCain. You may not agree with me, but we need SOME CHANGE in our government. Another Republican, specifically John McCain, wont change a god damn thing about American society, our image to foreign nations, IRAQ, our dependece on oil, ECT. It is not isolationism to think that we need to break our dependece on foreign oil, DO YOU KNOW THAT ONLY 2 OF THE RICHEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE AMERICAN TODAY? You left wings think that Obama will simply pull our troops out of Iraq without negotiation with Iran, Syria, Israel, so that WW3 doesnt start, and that is completely back asswards. Stop being so partisan and open your fucking minds so you can accept that there ARE other people in this country outside of the White working class that need some help.

Have a GOOD ONE :thumbsup:

Oh my goodness gracious! I mistake? Perpetrated by a guy who's undoubtedly exhausted from months upon months of campaigning? Unforgiveable! First that Nazi doesn't wear a little flag pin, and now this!!??

I mean he could have actually done something to screw up the nation; like wasting hundreds of billions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of lives, and all sorts of strategic advantage on a needless war. Or he could have wiped his ass with the constitution before throwing away the very rights the founding fathers believed in. Or he could have sent the US economy down the shitter, or ruined your international reputation, or pardoned a big-time white-collar criminal with no justification, or instituted tax breaks for the rich but not particularly beneficial for actual business, or left your borders open for 2 presidential terms. But THIS?????



On another note, I'd like to congradulate you on your 1,000th Anti-Democratic post P4B! Lets see, that's 1,000 anti-dem and 0 anti-Republican. But then the Republican party is clearly perfect, flawless in all it's doings, else you would surely have felt the need to call them on some bullshit for once. Logic and objectivity at it's finest. :jointsmile:

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Im sorry P4B, but Barack Obama, hell any Dem., is the better choice over Sen. John McCain. You may not agree with me, but we need SOME CHANGE in our government. Another Republican, specifically John McCain, wont change a god damn thing about American society, our image to foreign nations, IRAQ, our dependece on oil, ECT. It is not isolationism to think that we need to break our dependece on foreign oil, DO YOU KNOW THAT ONLY 2 OF THE RICHEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE AMERICAN TODAY? You left wings think that Obama will simply pull our troops out of Iraq without negotiation with Iran, Syria, Israel, so that WW3 doesnt start, and that is completely back asswards. Stop being so partisan and open your fucking minds so you can accept that there ARE other people in this country outside of the White working class that need some help.
Have a GOOD ONE :thumbsup:

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1. CHANGE, CHANGE! It seems thats the buzz word for redistributing wealth and everyone is more than glad to go along with it. And if it isn't the socialism it's the vauge, empty prosmises.

Have fun running the U.S. on hopes and dreams.

2. HAHAHA omg, hang on. What more help do you people want? Oh, you guys mean a hand out from Uncle Sam. Sure, why not. Free money!

SOCIALISM AT IT'S FINEST.

You guys crack me up. I love how all of you defend your own masters. One day, I hope everyone will wake up and come to realize that this is just an act, there is no difference between these two parties they ALL work for the interest of big business! All they do is steal, lie, cheat, murder, and they will destroy this country. So just keep defending, and make sure you stay loyal to your parties, and not to your fellow countrymen. :thumbsup:

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You guys crack me up. I love how all of you defend your own masters. One day, I hope everyone will wake up and come to realize that this is just an act, there is no difference between these two parties they ALL work for the interest of big business! All they do is steal, lie, cheat, murder, and they will destroy this country. So just keep defending, and make sure you stay loyal to your parties, and not to your fellow countrymen. :thumbsup:

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I'm tempted to agree. Since when do you guys think they actually care about you? I could care less what the government does anymore. Provided I can sit on my couch, rip bong and eat chips, I couldn't give two shits what happens anymore.

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Im sorry P4B, but Barack Obama, hell any Dem., is the better choice over Sen. John McCain. You may not agree with me, but we need SOME CHANGE in our government.

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-Pulling out of Iraq in order to free troops to go into Somalia.
-Government controll over healthcare from the same people that fucked up government.
-Higher taxes on people during a time when the people need the money in their pockets.

Not the type of change I'm personally looking for.

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Oh my goodness gracious! I mistake? Perpetrated by a guy who's undoubtedly exhausted from months upon months of campaigning? Unforgiveable! First that Nazi doesn't wear a little flag pin, and now this!!??

Once again, "Sen. Obama thinks Memorial Day is a day to honor our nation's veterans, not a day for political posturing."....that of course doesn't apply to Obama when he's making a statement like he did. And how PROUD he was since he couldn't even get the story straight.

Sorry ol' boy was tired....how would he fuck up when he's tired in the oval office?

On another note, I'd like to congradulate you on your 1,000th Anti-Democratic post P4B! Lets see, that's 1,000 anti-dem and 0 anti-Republican. But then the Republican party is clearly perfect, flawless in all it's doings, else you would surely have felt the need to call them on some bullshit for once. Logic and objectivity at it's finest. :jointsmile:

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Sorry that I don't chime in with the countless others in here with a "yeah, that's right". Give me something to work on here and I will like issues on abortion, gay marriage, the closing of Club Gitmo....

By the way, where's your pro-McCain or GOP threads?:rolleyes:

Have a good one!:s4:

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-Government controll over healthcare from the same people that fucked up government.

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Which "people" are you referring to? Are you talking about the Democratic party? I honestly think that all parties have done plenty to fuck up Government.

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-Higher taxes on people during a time when the people need the money in their pockets.

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Hmmm I wonder how they will pay for this war that is going on.

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Not the type of change I'm personally looking for.

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Me either

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I honestly think that all parties have done plenty to fuck up Government.

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I VERY much agree with ya. I don't give a rats ass which side of the aisle it is, they both have done their part in fucking things up. Now if a buisiness is in trouble, would you have the CEO of one that is in trouble try to do the repairs? Doesn't make sense to me at all. When our government fixes whats wrong in their own back yard THEN MAYBE they can look at others yards. Till then, they better kill their own weeds......the bad ones that is.:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

You Americans are funny you complain about not wanting high taxes but borrowing money is ok.You guys want to be a super power but want your kids and there kids to PAY FOR IT.You want to have the best military in the world but you dont want to pay for for it,so whats it going to be higher taxes or less military or less education?Well we can already guess whats going to suffer.....

^ Boy, for someone who doesn't even live in the U.S. you sure are forming a lot of strong opinions.

hey rebgirl, its been a while since i have seen your postings..
nice to see the girl in penn state..

Hahaha I'm in Pitt hun.

And thanks, your a sweety.

Come on rebgirl you cant just have the best military in the world and pass those costs on to your kids its not right.Someone has to pay for your wars and you guys dont want to.

Hey, I am not against paying taxes for our fantastic military. What I'm against is having to pay all these freaking waste-o special interest/redistributing the wealth taxes. Which make up the majority of the 36% we pay.

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Once again, "Sen. Obama thinks Memorial Day is a day to honor our nation's veterans, not a day for political posturing."....that of course doesn't apply to Obama when he's making a statement like he did. And how PROUD he was since he couldn't even get the story straight.

Sorry ol' boy was tired....how would he fuck up when he's tired in the oval office?

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In case you haven't noticed, George Bush fucks up MANY times more with his facts and linguistics. My God, the guy's the most notorious president ever for it! But Bush or Obama's linguistic and memory faulies aren't what screws up the nation; actions are.

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-Pulling out of Iraq in order to free troops to go into Somalia.

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Haven't heard of this Somalia plan, wouldn't doubt it, but this isn't what I'm taking issue with. I agree 100% though, pulling out of Iraq is a strategic and moral blunder that would surpass even the initial idiocy of invading in the first place.

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-Government controll over healthcare from the same people that fucked up government.

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Far as I know, his plan is universal health insurrance coverage, not government-owned hospitals. Though I think it's a lousy and inefficient plan as is, seeing as how useful the insurance companies are.

However, the most successful models of healthcare in the world have been found in certain European nations where both socialized and private systems are available. Gets the poor healthcare without unpayable medical bill costs, and allows for a private system for those who can afford it; alleviating pressure on both systems. Socialized medicine is attacked on the basis of a strictly socialized model, not the moderate, sensible, and workeable two-tier system. And I'll say for my Canadian system, while having lousy drawbacks with exceptionally long wait-lists (thanks to not allowing privitized medical), has provided me with excellent treatment and doctor's visits that I badly need but never would have been able to afford due to my physical inability to work.

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-Higher taxes on people during a time when the people need the money in their pockets.

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Taxes are already high and out of control, and taxation aint a one-line measurement of higher vs. lower. Tax brackets, income levels, and what we are taxed on all need to be realligned.

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Sorry that I don't chime in with the countless others in here with a "yeah, that's right". Give me something to work on here and I will like issues on abortion, gay marriage, the closing of Club Gitmo....

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Give you something? But you already manage to find 5 issues a day by yourself!

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By the way, where's your pro-McCain or GOP threads?:rolleyes:

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Where's all my pro Hillary/Obama and Democratic threads? Can't find them either, 'cause like any sensible person I know bullshit needs to be called from both sides. Sorry Psycho, but I've felt greatly dissapointed by your threads of the last year that never fault Republicans. Except Ron Paul or course, the only guy that's actually against the way they've been doing things.

^ I dunno. I think P4B is more Libertarian than anything, just like I am, but common sense dictates that since Libertarians are often perceived as radicals (and they only get voted in on a local level usually) you have to pick a side.

And Republicans are a lot closer to the Libertarian philosephy than Dems are. Well generally anyway.

I don't think anyone on these boards are 100% Republican OR Democrat.


So I doubt he thinks Republicans are perfect.

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You Americans are funny you complain about not wanting high taxes but borrowing money is ok.You guys want to be a super power but want your kids and there kids to PAY FOR IT.You want to have the best military in the world but you dont want to pay for for it,so whats it going to be higher taxes or less military or less education?Well we can already guess whats going to suffer.....

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Well fishman, when our lil' neighbor to the north wants to shoot off it's trap to Russia it better have a strong big brother to back up it's crocodile mouth.

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Where's all my pro Hillary/Obama and Democratic threads? Can't find them either, 'cause like any sensible person I know bullshit needs to be called from both sides. Sorry Psycho, but I've felt greatly dissapointed by your threads of the last year that never fault Republicans. Except Ron Paul or course, the only guy that's actually against the way they've been doing things.

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I think that we have enough dems in here to cover them issues don't you? Bush blew up the trade towers, created Katrina, etc....

The last year has been primarily about the elections and I'm sorry if I don't agree with the DNC on most everything that really matters.

Have a good one!:s4:

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You Americans are funny you complain about not wanting high taxes but borrowing money is ok.You guys want to be a super power but want your kids and there kids to PAY FOR IT.You want to have the best military in the world but you dont want to pay for for it,so whats it going to be higher taxes or less military or less education?Well we can already guess whats going to suffer.....

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Do you think the American people are asking to borrow money? No we don't like either. Probably the only people who get any sort of enjoyment out of it are the people whom we borrow money for.

We are a super power, we're are not trying to be a super power. Perhaps you're thinking about Canada where taxation is high and Medical services are socialized to the point to where a number of people come across the border to be able to be seen by a doctor. Yes I have Canadian friends and I know their complaints as well.

Every country would like to have the best military in the world. Who is it do you think that keeps people of interest out of North America in general? It is not Mexico, and it is definitely not Canada. Combined you have the firepower of a bb gun.

Your entire post has got to be one of the most ignorant ones I've ever seen. Do you wonder why it is that Americans make fun of Canadians?

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^ I dunno. I think P4B is more Libertarian than anything, just like I am, but common sense dictates that since Libertarians are often perceived as radicals (and they only get voted in on a local level usually) you have to pick a side.

And Republicans are a lot closer to the Libertarian philosephy than Dems are. Well generally anyway.

I don't think anyone on these boards are 100% Republican OR Democrat.


So I doubt he thinks Republicans are perfect.

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Libertarians are the old school republicans. AKA the people who genuinely care about this country. Go Libertarians!!!

Daihashi Americans can make fun of Canadians all you want at least we Canadians are not hated when we travel abroad.

Like I've told ya before my friend, when ya walk down the streets of Tehran with no problems or possibly some nice city in the Gaza Strip tell us all about the love. Sorry, but your from a western culture and therefore scum like the rest of us.

Have a good one!:s4:

Follow the love P4B.I wouldnt have a problem going to Iran ive had friends actually go there a few months ago and loved it.Traveling around Iran is soo cheap first class for hotels is like 38 bucks and to fly or train travel is like 10 bucks 20 bucks cheap.The people are wonderful and very hospitable.Hey me and you should go just leave the American flag at home ok....

I dont no why you guys have such a hardon for Iran.The president doesnt have any power so therfore whatever he says is mute.The people dont want war like anybody else and its actually a nice place to visit.No i wouldnt want to live there cause im not muslim and yes freedoms are slim but soo is China

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Daihashi Americans can make fun of Canadians all you want at least we Canadians are not hated when we travel abroad.

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Actually I'm not hated when I travel abroad. First off I do not look like a typical American, because of my heritage I look more Eastern European/Persian.

Secondly, In my travels I've found that people don't hate the American People... they hate the American Government. There is a difference. People understand that it's not necessarily my choice if my country is doing something the rest of the world is against. People have common sense and use it.

So sorry to burst your bubble, but I have to say we're not hated.

ps: I can go to Iran too.. I have family in Tehran, Abadan and Birjand. :thumbsup:

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Like I've told ya before my friend, when ya walk down the streets of Tehran with no problems or possibly some nice city in the Gaza Strip tell us all about the love. Sorry, but your from a western culture and therefore scum like the rest of us.

Have a good one!:s4:

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Actually P4B I have to say that Iranians are nice to Americans. Very warm hospitable people. You would be surprised actually. Many of them do not even dislike our government. Immediatley after the Iraq invasion some people were hoping America would go over there. I've spoken to people over there who actually think George Bush is a Hero. oh boy....

The Gaza Strip though I can't really tell you.

The only dangers you have to worry about in Iran are the way people drive.. crazy crazy driving. Almost like a mix of go karts and bumper cars.

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Come on rebgirl you cant just have the best military in the world and pass those costs on to your kids its not right.Someone has to pay for your wars and you guys dont want to.

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Higher tax rates do not mean higher tax revenues. Our Democratic Governor here in Michigan ust beginning to realise this. Last year tax rates were raised, this year tax revenues are down due to less business activity and lower income levels. Those on the left side of the aisle believe that the economy is more static than dynamic. The truth is the opposite.

Iguana i agree with you totally taxes have to be soo much that it helps the government with revenues but not soo much that it hurts revenues...

"Our power has been created through the manipulation of the national monetary system. We authored the quotation. 'Money is power.' As revealed in our master plan, it was essential for us to establish a private national bank. The Federal Reserve system fitted our plan nicely since it is owned by us, but the name implies that it is a government institution. From the very outset, our purpose was to confiscate all the gold and silver, replacing them with worthless non-redeemable paper notes. This we have done!"

When asked about the term 'non-redeemable notes,' Mr. Rosenthal replied:

"Prior to 1968, the gullible goy could take a one dollar Federal Reserve note into any bank in America and redeem it for a dollar which was by law a coin containing 412 1/2 grains of 90 per cent silver. Up until 1933, one could have redeemed the same note for a coin of 25 4/5ths grains of 90 per cent gold. All we do is give the goy more non-redeemable notes, or else copper slugs. But we never give them their gold and silver. Only more paper," he said contemptuously. "We Jews have prospered through the paper gimmick. It's our method through which we take money and give only paper in return." (The economic problem of America and the world is ultimately a Jewish problem, or as Henry Ford stated: "The Money Question, properly solved, is the end of the Jewish Question and every other question of a mundane nature."

Can you give me a example of this we asked?

"The examples are numerous, but a few readily apparent are the stocks and bonds market, all forms of insurance and the fractional reserve system practiced by the Federal Reserve corporation, not to mention the billions in gold and silver that we have gained in exchange for paper notes, stupidly called money. Money power was essential in carrying out our master plan of international conquest through propaganda."

When asked how they proposed doing this, he said:

"At first, by controlling the banking system we were able to control corporation capital. Through this, we acquired total monopoly of the movie industry, the radio networks and the newly developing television media. The printing industry, newspapers, periodicals and technical journals had already fallen into our hands. The richest plum was later to come when we took over the publication of all school materials. Through these vehicles we could mold public opinion to suit our own purposes. The people are only stupid pigs that grunt and squeal the chants we give them, whether they be truth or lies."

The word Illuminati means 1. People claiming to be unusually enlightened with regard to a subject. 2. Illuminati Any of various groups claiming special religious enlightenment. Latin illmint, from pl. of illmintus, past participle of illminre, to light up. See illuminate. These definitions are taken from "The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language".

Those people are the top players on the International playground, basically belonging to the thirteen of the wealthiest families in the world, and they are the men who really rule the world from behind the scenes (yes, they are mostly men, with a few exceptions). They are the "Black Nobility", the Decision Makers, who make up the rules for presidents and governments to follow, and they are often held from public scrutiny, as their action can't stand being scrutinized. They are connected by bloodlines going back thousands and thousands of years in time, and they are very careful with keeping those bloodlines as pure as possible from generation to generation. The only way to do so is by interbreeding. That is why you so often see royalties marry royalties, for example. Their parents decide whom to marry.

Their power lies in occult, (magic) and in economy - money creates power. The Illuminati own all the International banks, the oil-businesses, the most powerful businesses of industry and trade, they infiltrate politics and they own most governments - or at the very least control them.

An example of this is the American election for presidency. It is no secret that the candidate who gets the most sponsorship in form of money wins the election, as this gives the power to "un-create" the opposed candidate and effectively promote the candidate who will follow the plans of the Illuminati. More often than not, it is the candidate with the 'purest bloodline' and who is the most corrupt one that will be chosen for the job. The Illuminati put in top positions people who they know have a dark past, so they can be easily controlled. If these appointed people, who are promised fame and fortune if they follow the rules, are breaking the same rules, the Puppet Masters can easily get them back in line by threatening to put their dirty laundry out to dry in public. If that doesn't help, the person will be assassinated, like John F. Kennedy for one.

More often than not the Illuminati sponsor both sides to have a game going to entertain the ignorant public. They decide who will be the next president, and they see to that their man wins, even if they have to cheat like they did in Florida when President George W Bush "won" over Al Gore. Most president campaigns are financed with drug money, which is understandable if you know that the Illuminati run the drug trade industry as well (more about this elsewhere on my website). Elections are really not necessary, but they let us vote so we can have a game, and by letting us do so, they pretend to follow the Constitution. It gives us an illusion of choice.

But isn't the President running the game? Not the least. The power is not with the politicians, but with the Illuminati, whose top players, as far up in power as we can confirm, are mostly of a Sectarian Jewish Elite, who use Zionism as a tool to create a Jewish State in Israel with Jerusalem as their Capitol. Zionists are not to be confused with the common Jews, who have nothing to do with this treason against humanity.

The leading candidates for Presidency are carefully chosen from the occult bloodlines of the thirteen Illuminati families, and if we research all the Presidents of the United States from the beginning and up to present time, we will find that almost all of them are of the same royal bloodline, and they are all "family"; related by ancestry and family trees. Royalty is equivalent to the Illuminati.

So what are the true goals of the Illuminati? The main goal is to create a One World Government and a New World Order, with them on top to rule the world into slavery and dictatorship. This is a very old goal of theirs, and to understand it fully, one must realize that this goal isn't of a kind that's supposed to be obtained within one lifetime; it has been a goal that slowly is to be reached over a long period of time. However, they have accomplished more in this direction during the last few decades than they have done in hundreds of years, due to industrialization and the Information Technology Era. Their immediate task is to lower the living standard of the developed countries, like the United States and Europe, to a low enough level, so the government can more easily control us (you can see this happening). The living standard in the third world countries will then increase to the same low level that is planned for the developed countries, so that it all evens out. To be able to accomplish a New World Order, the living standard must be similar all over the world - they want a uniform world to rule over. We can see this goal slowly being reached right before our eyes. The following article shows it clearly: Africa and Asia Push for 'New World Order'

This goal has been planned away from the public's prying eyes, in secrecy within the Secret Societies. All Secret Societies with secret grades of initiation are owned and controlled by the Illuminati, and Freemasonry is maybe the best known of them all.