A deep thinking question, for those that like to think.

Simple question with many possibilities,

"How do you know the world exists behind you?"

When you turn around you can no longer see anything outside of your front and peripheral vision. How do you know that the world actually exists when you turn around? How do you know that the world doesn't simply exists where you can see it?

A mirror, a camera, a friend telling you, etc. all have to exists in front of you for you to see what they are showing. As in, a mirror could show you what you think should be there however it really does not exists at that moment.

Where this is going is the thought that existance is simply a personal thing. The universe was created for you to enjoy it. Whatever you cannot see presently simply does not exist.

So, the question stands, how can 'you' prove that the world exists behind you?

Simple answer-You cant.

People believe what they want to believe, and disbelieve that they dont.

Exactly.

umm...

yea, and like when you close your eyes, how do you know that you are where you were when you closed them... try closing your eyes in a perfectly quiet room, and you can convince yourself that you are anywhere, and that you are anyone.

yeah dude....its all in your head....we dont exist we are just fragments of your imagination that you have dreamed up...no i cant answer your question...but im sure it does unless other people dont exist....maybe your all just fragments of my imagination!!....

There are endless possibilites and man can not even begin to ansewer the questions the universe posseses. The only thing you can do; is smoke a joint.

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Originally Posted by Epic

People believe what they want to believe, and disbelieve that they dont.

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I feel bad for everyone who lives to the south of my current position, because that is the direction which I am facing, and in approxiately twenty seconds I will proceed to turn around therefore nullifying your existence. Sorry guys.

Until then, I have another deep question. How do we know that feces doesn't turn purple when nobody is looking at it? :confused:

And don't call me a smartass, because you can't see me to prove it.

Although I do like the question I see the answer as simple. My answer:

FAITH

Thats what we all have in common but most don't realize.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

As a kid and sleeping over at friends houses. I remember waking up to forget where I was. This happened alot and was kinda scary for the first few minutes of waking up.

Well, you don't have faith in common with me. I don't assume what can't be proven. Truth is, you can't prove that the world behind you exists. I can't even conclusively prove that other people exist. I can't prove that this reality isn't all a dream and I don't experience the "real reality" until I'm "asleep". For practical purposes they make okay assumptions, but you can never be 100% sure of anything but your own existence.

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

Well, you don't have faith in common with me.

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Alright Mr or Mrs defensive. But I beg to differ. We do have faith in common. Have you ever sat on a chair? I'm guessing you have. So we both at least have faith that the chair we sit in will hold us up.

I think to many people are watching the Matrix, 13th Floor, etc.

Would this prove to you all that what is behind you does exist:

Have someone stand infront of you, give that person a pin, coin, paper clip whatever and ask the person to throw it behind you. When you turn around and have to pick up what ever they threw you'll know that whats behind you does exist.

Or Fuck it.

Bend over and look between your legs. You can see both infront and behind you.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

Right, but I have good empirical evidence for believing all these things. Not exactly 100% proof, since there is the slight and highly unlikely possibility that all that I am experiencing is actually an illusion of some sort, Ã* la The Matrix, so the best I could prove is that there is some sort of sensory input I'm getting that gives me the impression that the world behind me exists.

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Originally Posted by meek mike

Alright Mr or Mrs defensive. But I beg to differ. We do have faith in common. Have you ever sat on a chair? I'm guessing you have. So we both at least have faith that the chair we sit in will hold us up.

I think to many people are watching the Matrix, 13th Floor, etc.

Would this prove to you all that what is behind you does exist:

Have someone stand infront of you, give that person a pin, coin, paper clip whatever and ask the person to throw it behind you. When you turn around and have to pick up what ever they threw you'll know that whats behind you does exist.

Or Fuck it.

Bend over and look between your legs. You can see both infront and behind you.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

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Welllll, I was going to say the coin thing. But the point was you can't prove it's there until you see it. As for looking between your legs.. He meant you can't prove it's there if you can't see it, not if it's not in front of you. You're right about the chair, though. You don't expect to sit in a chair only for it to break and you to fall on your ass.

Sorry if I didn't make sense. Bed time. ->

You can hear things behind you, you can touch things behind you, you can smell things behind you, and to some extent you can sense things behind you.

If there was a screaming, sweaty guy punching me in the back of the head I like to see anybody try to tell me I couldn't prove he was there.

He could be just in your imagination.

Well, maybe you're just hallucinating a screaming, sweaty guy punching you in the back of the head.

That's just a cop-out. Besides, hallucinations can't punch me.

A cop-out? Eh, what about if you're dreaming at the time? Then he's not really there. And I'm pretty sure with enough drugs, anything could punch you.

Maybe everything you've ever experienced is actually a virtual simulation from a futuristic machine that erases your memory and sends neurons through your brain that make you think you're living in the 21st century.

Right now I'm not dreaming or on any drugs and as far as I know I'm not in any life simulation. My mind is clear and as concious as it can get at this point.

I know that anything is possible. Scientifically though, proving the existance of things which I cannot see but know are there through other senses is the most possible.

who knows though, you could be dreaming. any second now you could wake up and find out that your a dinosaur from a million years ago, or you could wake up as a gorrilla on the other side of the planet, and just say "wow, that was a fucked up dream".
or you could open your eyes right now, and realize that you ARE the sweaty fat guy coming down off of an intense salvia tripp where you lived someones life. the possibilities are endless.

So how many times have you woke up a fat bastard,gorilla, dinasor, ect?

Point made.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

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Originally Posted by Climbing High

who knows though, you could be dreaming. any second now you could wake up and find out that your a dinosaur from a million years ago, or you could wake up as a gorrilla on the other side of the planet, and just say "wow, that was a fucked up dream".
or you could open your eyes right now, and realize that you ARE the sweaty fat guy coming down off of an intense salvia tripp where you lived someones life. the possibilities are endless.

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Basic science says otherwise.

Saying "but, you could be dreaming it all" is too simple and boring to even consider. Of course it could very well be true, but there is no reason to think that it is.

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Originally Posted by Frost.

Simple question with many possibilities,

"How do you know the world exists behind you?"

When you turn around you can no longer see anything outside of your front and peripheral vision. How do you know that the world actually exists when you turn around? How do you know that the world doesn't simply exists where you can see it?

A mirror, a camera, a friend telling you, etc. all have to exists in front of you for you to see what they are showing. As in, a mirror could show you what you think should be there however it really does not exists at that moment.

Where this is going is the thought that existance is simply a personal thing. The universe was created for you to enjoy it. Whatever you cannot see presently simply does not exist.

So, the question stands, how can 'you' prove that the world exists behind you?

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Easy. Use a camera and take a picture of me straight on from above. Since while looking at the developed picture, you know that what you were looking at with your own eyes in front of you was real, the picture of you from the top (while you were looking forward) proves there's a whole world around you.

but it still might not be real, all you people that i am having this debate with are mot likely just in my imagination. i am going to wake up soon, and what does not having woken up before have anything to do with this? Rev. Michael T, your mind is one sided and your a retard. christ can lick my balls while i smoke a big fat joint.

ohhhh yea

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Originally Posted by Climbing High

christ can lick my balls while i smoke a big fat joint.

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I hope you don't mind if I use this as a book title someday. :D

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Originally Posted by Climbing High

but it still might not be real, all you people that i am having this debate with are mot likely just in my imagination.

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How can it not be real?

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Originally Posted by Climbing High

Rev. Michael T, your mind is one sided and your a retard. christ can lick my balls while i smoke a big fat joint.

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So, you've thrown a comment out to me but you failed to explain why I am these things to you. Please do explain how I am one sided, and retarted. If I am what you say I will do my best to change but if I am not, what then? Will you appoligize like a man? No. Will you think before you type? No. You won't do anything and most likely won't even explain why I am what you think I am. So that being said.

Thank you for reading my post. I'll tell Christ what you ask of him but I'm sure he's not down with that gay shit so maybe you should ask his mother. Of course she's married so I don't think that will happen either. But wait you asked for a guy to lick your balls so maybe his brother James will but I don't think he's down with that gay shit either.

Oh well hopefully you can get your boyfriend to do what you ask of other guys. Best of Luck to ya on that.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

ok then does shit really stink? or do we just think it stinks becuase weve been raised to believe so, is it possible that the smell of shit is accually very pleasant?

climbing high if anyone is a retard its u

first off dont insult christ just b/c u dont beleive in him. no one is comming on here blasting ur belief...im not very christian anymore but still i dont blast christ.

anyways...back to the point....obvously the world exists around u for fuck sakes...i thought this same thing too but slapped myself in the head cuz its such nonsense. if ur hearing shit in ur head or evrything is fragments of ur imagination...i got a tip for u...............

LAY OFF THE DAM METH CUZ ITS ROTTING UR BRAIN

later

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Originally Posted by koshea

ok then does shit really stink? or do we just think it stinks becuase weve been raised to believe so, is it possible that the smell of shit is accually very pleasant?

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lol wheres looker with that pic of the guys head in the toilet when u need him?

of course shit stinks...if u dont beleive me...take a crap...grab the biggest log in the toilet and put it to ur noise and take a big wiff...gaureented its gonna smell like shit (which stinks)

later

before i was told or led to believe that shit stinks i had to have the 'ba' to cover the old nosey, peeeeeeeeeeeeeeyeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwww,
anyway, im w/ the reverend on this one
there is a past, there is the present, and there will always be a future, maybe not for you the way your heading, but youll be stuck in the present forever you dung poo

i dont know if anyone has already given this answer, because im stoned and theres too much to read.. forgive if someone has

anyway, from what I know, no objects are actually in one position until somebody observes that object and 'chooses' a position for it to be in. in other words, when we stand in front of a table, and turn around so the table is behind us, then that table is not in the same place as it was when we looked at it, but in an infinite amount of possible places, as is every object. it is proved that photons can be in more than one place simultaneously, and in a Flordia research lab they actually have a single object (dont remember what it is) that is actually in more than one place at the same time.. you see the same object twice, but it is actually only one object (i guess that would be kinda hard to prove....) Now, when we look at an object, we automatically 'hone in' on one particular position for that object... we dont consciously do this, so it goes to figure that there is an 'observer' whom chooses where in space-time this object will be when we look at it.. is this 'observer' God, our soul, aliens, what? who knows? im stoned and ive forgotten what i was talkin about

PS I think the point that certain people are trying to make, is that NOTHING is ever certain.. anything is possible, and reality as we know it is only what we percieve it to be.. maybe we're wrong? who knows! dont just close your mind to foreign concepts just because they dont seem possible, or fit in to your model of the universe.. accept anything as possible, and youll find your life becomes a hell of alot easier, or at least easier to deal with. Remeber the little kid from the movie Magnolia, sitting down in a library or whatever, with frogs raining all around him? remember what hes saying? "This is something that happens"... its a totally unprecedented, unexplainable, alien thing to him - that its raining frogs - but he just accepts it as something that happens.. why? because anything is possible, and nothing is certain.

thats it exactly, meek mike how can you be so 100% sure that your not just asleep or in a salvia tripp... you cant know, and i guess its impossible to prove either side. sorry for that post back there, no offense intended i was just messin around. peace

and for those who say dont rip on christians, im sorry but christians have made my life a living hell, im jewish and a bunch of mother fuckers have beaten the shit out of me for being jewish since i was in 1st grade.
i know i cant be mad at all you for that, and im not mad at all you cuz i know lots of you are good people, but shit like that sticks with a person, you probably can understand that.

I have the answer.

I didn't bother reading everyone elses answer because frankly, I don't care. lol.

I know that objects "exist", and I'll use this term loosely here, when I am not looking at them, due to the fact that I believe in the existence of a higher power that is omnipotent and omnipresent. (I see you guys have already gotten sensitive about the whole issue, so I'm choosing my words carefully here). I choose to call this entity I believe in God. So I know those objects exist because I believe God can see them even when I cannot.

Now what you mean by exist is an entirely different matter. Question: Why do you think something actually exists just because you physically can view it? For that matter, why does something exist even if you can physically touch it?

Hm...........