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Hey everyone, this is my first grow, and it started off under 23 watt cfls and then i decided to put it in my window sill for 12/12 any comments.... Does anyone know how soon it would be before I start seeing gender for the plant.... its bagseed which was planted on April 1, so about 37 days ago
its also being Lst'ed, prolly improperly, but i just wanted to keep it short in order for it to stay somewhat compact.....
Another question..... should I top an LST'ed plant or is that bad juju, I kinda wanna keep the bud around the main cola (if its a female) and if I were to trim it, what would should I expect it do, growing wise?
Thanks for any help that comes along
a window sill will almost never produce buds. geta real light and ventilation
Is there any supporting evidence for this, its not that I don't trust your judgment, its that the sunlight wavelengths that the plant absorbs are not diffracted or refracted to cause a variation from the 12/12 scale... It would almost seem like the window is exactly the same as having it outside...... it gets the true 12 hrs of sunlight, so I wouldn't see why it is a problem. I also have a fan in the room circulating the air... So that is not a problem.
Anything else that I am doing wrong or I should fix????
how big is this window? which way does it face? where is your general location? is this a window that will see every bit of sun from sunrise to sunset?
mj needs direct sunlight atleast 5-6 hours everyday, morning sun is better.
from my experience with people trying a windowsill grow is the plant will only get about 2 hours of glass filtered light then indirect indoor light which is pretty much useless. not to mention the dark hours, will the room with the window sill be completely dark for 2 months?
keeko.. you say the plant "needs" 5-6 hours a day some days here are not sunny so the plants will go the odd day without sunlight and it is only about 4 -5 inches tall.. can i bring it in on the non sunny days and put it under an energy saver light ? do i need a cabnet or closed space to put them in or can i just put the pot on the floor and put a light over it ? any help on what to do will be greatly apreciated because i dont have a clue what to do..Quote:
Originally Posted by keeko
i never advise bringing an outdoor plant inside....too many pest problems. but if you have too i would spray the outside plant with no problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by smokealot123
just re-reading what i wrote last night, ignore the "but if you have to part...."
cloud coverage is ok, in my opinion better than taking it back inside.......kinda like how you can still get sun burned when its cloudy...the plant should be fine.
My window gets approx 10-12 hrs of direct sunlight per day, so that is most def not the problem, and it started out as an indoor plant. The only thing that I am wondering is that one person said that plants in windows will never produce buds.... wtf does that come from, I have never read that anywhere.???
that person was me. ever seen a window grow before? I havent and i frequent a lot of forums. you would think that if it would work a lot more people would have bud in their window. oh wait maybe a security issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by ultimatefreak48
10-12 hours is a lot of fucking light though, give it a try, do what you want....report back for advice
I thank you for your advice, I was also wondering, when should I possibly start seeing signs of sex? Its approx 43 days old now, and growing somewhat slowly, I have branches coming out of all the nodes, but they are small.... Ill post some more pictures when I can.
hard to say when it will show sex. if you keep it on the windowsill im assuming it will flower when mj normally floweres outside, around july depending on location.
WOW.... Really I was def not expecting that, from what ive seen of people's grows, they flower within 6 weeks
Some new pics.. nothing much changed.
they flower when you cut back the lights, if your doing a windowsill grow you wont be in control of how many hours the suns shining......Quote:
Originally Posted by ultimatefreak48
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it could flower soon from the lack of light a windowsill grow has. hard to say, i dont know your exact situation.
any chance at taking a pic of your window and the sun shining through it?
Yeah.... thats what I was trying for, I know the light is 90 % out for 10-12 hrs where the plant is, and i was trying to force it into 12/12 in order for it to show signs of gender... Ill post to keep updated. Thanks for everyone's info.
Keep it real
Here is the plant on day 46, there is also a picture of the window where it sits, any comments?
honestly i dont see how that window gets 10-12 hours of Direct sunlight, almost physically impossibleQuote:
Originally Posted by ultimatefreak48
for 35 or 40 days of growth it doesn't seem that big....
could be the picture i dont know
Well In that case what should I be doing? and its 51 days right now, so lemme know. thanks
i dont know much about growing but it doesnt make sense that a window sill can get 12 hours of sunlight... speaking theoretically the sun will be half of the time on 1 side of the earth and the other half (of 24 hours) on the other side of the earth so... im just going out on a limb here and assume the roof of your house would end up blocking half the the 12 hours that the sun is actually on our side of the earth... so at max 6 hours of sunlight? and part of which is indirect sunlight that keeko said was useless. ionno im kinda drunk soooo it made sense to me :wtf:
edit: i had no idea i wrote that much... sorry if its useless
First off.. I dont really care about the technicalities of what was said, if it doesnt get 12 hours of light, i put it under a light... ANy other comments about what is happening... I am starting to see some new grow coming from the nodes apart from the new branches. It looks like only one sac on each side, but I cant be sure Ill post some pics when I can.
you Flame War-Zors.
BOTTEM LINE IS WINDOW GROWS SUXX THE BALLS OFF A BRASS MONKEY If you don't live directly ON the equator or decently close too it theirs no point of trying. Also, i find it hard to imagine what shape a window would have 2 be to get 12hours of sunlight a day. Again, it wont produce anything worth your time for the most part. Part of me just doubts anyone can be "satisfied" with the results from this, sorrys 2 be rude. good look & nice form on the plant OP, try getting a fan in their and maybe a chop stick && a HPS while your at it.
But that is exactly my question, will it even produce anything??? LIKE I said before, if it does not get 12 hrs of light then I put it under a light. What else should I do.
Thanks for everyone's comments
I'm pretty new to all this, but I have been doing a lot of reading lately. First, how many 23w cfl's did you veg that thing under? I'm really interested in the potential of cfl's on small scale gardens. Second, I don't believe you will be satisfied with the results of a window grow. As others have said, the amount of light received in a window sill will not be enough to supply the plant. If it does initiate a flower cycle, it will most likely stretch and produce poor, loose buds... that's if it doesn't Herm. Also, in my opinion, the transfer from window sill to dark box (for 12 hours of total dark) will be an unnecessary stress on the plant. Since you are already using cfl's... I would suggest constructing a small flowering box and use additional cfl's. All you need to make one is a day off and a home improvement store nearby. Read through some Sticky's about how much light plants need, the spectrums they desire, etc.
If you do go for a 100% indoor flowering process... make sure you look for the CFL's rated 2700k (usually Soft White) as they are more appropriate for flowering. It wouldn't hurt to throw in 1-2 of the Daylight 6500k CFL's too... plants like both spectrums just at different levels and at different growth stages. I've read a 3:1 ratio is good. I understand it can be frustrating when asking questions on here. Especially when you just want to know if what you are doing is going to work. Just know that there are thousands of people doing thousands of different things... with thousands of individual experiences. So they may not fully understand what you are looking to achieve. I've found that if you aren't completely obsessed with growing and just want to try your luck and grow ANYTHING smokable.... just post a thread saying, "Hey, I have no money or supplies... can I flower a plant in a window sill?"
And people will tell you....... their opinion..... lol
Remember 1,000 people can tell you it won't work, but that doesn't mean you can't give it a try and shut all of our stupid asses up. Haha. Hope this helped. Have fun and keep it green! :rasta:
Damn... I write a lot. :jointsmile:
I dont mean to be an ass but can you please start your own thread... I dont see that what you said has anything to do with my grow. I also just noticed today, white hairs at some of the nodes, so im guessing that the plant is female... Ill get some pics up when I can.
Thanks everyone
Ok. I don't mean to be an ass... but ahh... nevermind... I do mean to be one.
You: "will it even produce anything??? LIKE I said before, if it does not get 12 hrs of light then I put it under a light. What else should I do.
Thanks for everyone's comments"
Me: "Since you are already using cfl's... I would suggest constructing a small flowering box and use additional cfl's. All you need to make one is a day off and a home improvement store nearby."
I apologize for including additional information on what lights you might need... I realize now that it was extremely out of line. Trust me, I will abandon interest in anything you are doing in the future, and I will try not to let my text come into your threads from now on. I understand your frustration. It really sucks when you ask for help and a bunch of assholes try to give advice.
Quote: "First off.. I dont really care about the technicalities of what was said."
Maybe you should find a new hobby if you don't care about technicalities. Finger painting is pretty self explanatory. :thumbsup:
P.s. I will send you a bill for the 3 minutes I just wasted. :cool:
Well Im sorry that I didnt realize that you had posted something that contributed to the thread. I apologize, it was on a previous page, so I didnt know that you had already done this.
It's cool. I just watched a video that Stinky linked in a post called, "How to behave on an internet forum." It was really good and funny. You're right, no matter what I say... it's your thread... your rules. If you thought I was de-railing the thread, you have every right to ask me to go elsewhere. I'm kinda new to all this and didn't realize how easy it is to throw off the entire topic. Not fair to the OP. Take it easy... Keep :jointsmile:
:thumbsup:
hey dude, you should try and understand that when someone gives you advice they're trying to help you.
keeko is right, light from a window is unreliable, in duration as well as in intensity so it is unlikely you will achieve any real results, you'll get something, just not much.
heres a link to a thread that you should read from beginning to end, after which you will know way more about how to grow ganja, cheaply.
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...-grow-log.html
and try to relax man, don't take advice from everyone obviously, but if you hang around here a while and read the threads, you'll quickly see who to listen to and who to ignore. (check out thier reputation, not a guarantee of good advice, but someone with as many rep points as keeko probably knows what he's talking about)
anyway, good luck with your little grow
heres some proof that having lots of rep points isn't required for someone to give good advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMetal1
actually, it was the previous post more than this one that had some good points
Ugh..... can we please stop talking about etiquette, I already said I was sorry and that I do not want this thread to be devoted to who is right and who is not.... So if you would please if you want, comment on the plant.
Your Bagseed Was Old Correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by ultimatefreak48
You have pulled the plant away from direct light for awhile to put in a window sill for 12 hours, but what other members say probably got about a good 6 hours... your last comment that you made...
I think you probably Have stressed your plant, or it could have been from the start.... A male plant. So if this is a male, this will not produce anything. Im sorry.
Usually when little sacs pop out on each side and hang or are being elevated by a tiny tiny stem ever so small...thats a sure sign of a male.
you may want to try again! dont get Discouraged, just think of the stuff you learned to make your next grow even better :jointsmile:
Well to start off, I just very recently stated that the plant is in fact female. For this I am sure, I see little white hairs coming out the nodes from a "male" like sac. So stress is not an issue at this point. In that case, life is good.
Hi Ultimate.. Give up on the window sill idea already! lol :)
If it works at all the yeild will be disappointing. ie. you will be lucky to get a few grams at best.
Your plant is surprisingly healthy looking otherwise. Bit stretchy and nodeless but nothing that can't be 'improved'. Permanent use of CFL lights will work much better than the window light and the environment can more easily be controlled.
I suggest you use 3-4 of those 23watt CFLs. I go against the grain recommending say 3 x 23Watt (6500K(Blue)) and 1 x 23Watt (2700-3000K(Red)).
Place it in an appropriate cabinet or box etc its up to you. You should allow for the plant to at least double or maybe triple in size. You don't want the enclosure too big though due to the CFL's weak penetration. Make use of as much close proximity reflection as possible. Layer the entire insides of the box with some shiny silver xmas wrapping paper. Spend a little time ensuring its safely adhered to last the warmish temps of at least one entire grow. It's by far the best cheapest version of mylar. Do not use foil. It doesn't work well, tears easily and makes a lot of noise.
You will also need to cater for use of a small fan and the appropriate ventilation/fresh air to keep the temp from getting too high. It should be a fairly small low temp environment so you won't need to do alot.
Keep the lights close to the tip/s and major fan leaves. 1-2 inches approx where possible. Continue LST'ing when appropriate until the developing buds become fairly 'pronounced'. Don't clip any leaves off because they all act as solar panels to deliver the entire branch and tips/buds their energy.
Ensure 12/12 lighting with a 24hr timer and keep it as close to pitch black as possible during the dark period. Feed, water/drain, house and light the plant correctly using a slightly modded version of things you already probably have and are doing. IMO you could stand to get up to an ounce or so from this particular soil grown plant if all went well.
Side note : If it were me I'd cut the top off and stick it in perlite to root. Then rig up a very basic soiless medium solution. Plant vigour, health and yeild from a simple hydro setup with CFL lights is dramatically better compared to soil. It's great fun and you can expect more like 3-4 ounces of surprisingly large dense nuggets using only 90-100Watts of CFL.
Elcheapo:
Thank you very much for this information. I will certainly take this advice and change my method. I also would like to point out that this is just a screw around grow, I just wanted to prove to myself that I could actually do this, so not a large yield is fine with me. I appreciate the time that you took to help me out.
Cheers
.... just build a little box for it, you said you had cfl's, just get a few more, and a few other cheap supplies.
There are plenty of 'recipies' for a rubermaid box on this site, ...and their respecitve results as well :thumbsup:
...edit ...
never mind , i see a few people have mentioned this already :stoned:
No probs. I'm happy to have a stab at answering any questions, give you my thoughts on your current progress and can offer some advice. I too started off with a very similar idea in mind as yourself regarding a test grow. Trial and error builds valuable experience! When I realised it was actually working I decided to optimise my setup to ensure I got the best outcome from what I was working with.
Some members although well intentioned will only recommend a fairly complicated, expensive, high powered solution. I on the otherhand am happy with a very small footprint setup. It's more about the fun and generating ample "medical" benefits to make it worth my while.
Keep us updated!
i offered you a link that i knew would help you and you didn't bother to check it out
here it is again
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...-grow-log.html
and a pic to show you what can be done