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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
10 panel test this week
test is a "medtox" test, 10 panel, but no other info given re: 50, 20, 15. don't know if i'll get a form in advance
anyone have experience with medtox? on the website it suggests 50ng but
I imagine it is up to the employer - paranoid b/c they will not hire people who smoke and now i am thinking why wouldnt they test for the lowest limit possible
i'm cool on a 50 ng c/o, but have no way of knowing whether i would pass anything lower
thoughts? suggestions? (aside from subbing- i have my concerns there too, cuz i am a nervous nelly if you can't tell)
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
Looks like i'm hosed. Will dil. still work? HELP!
Drugs Of Abuse Screen 10 Panel3297Drug Screen, UrineClinical Drugs of Abuse Testing; Clinical Toxicology/Therapeutic Drug ManagementSynonym/Component:Drug Screen, UrineClass: Drug Screen
SPECIMEN REQUIREMENT:Specimen Type: Aliquot of random or spot urine collectionTube
Type: Urine transfer tube without preservativeSpecimen
Volume: 30 ml
Collection Time: RandomStorage and Transport Temp: Ambient temperature is adequate for shipping and/or short-term storage (up to 3 days); specimen may also be refrigerated or frozen.
ASSAY PARAMETERS:Validation: Screen:
FDA Approved; Confirmations: in-house validated methodsMethodology: Immunoassay (IA) Confirmation: VariousSuggested CPT: 80101 x10
Turn Around Time: 3 days
Testing Schedule: daily
Available STAT, Additional Fee: $15
INTERPRETATION: AmphetamineBarbituratesBenzodiazepinesCocaineOpiat esPhencyclidine (PCP)THC (Marijuana) MetaboliteMessageDrugs are screened by immunoassay.
Positive results are confirmed by a second method. The following threshold concentrations are used for this analysis:
DRUG SCREENING THRESHOLD amphetamines 300 ng/ml barbiturates 300 ng/ml benzodiazepines 300 ng/ml cocaine metabolite 150 ng/ml opiates 300 ng/ml phencyclidine 25 ng/ml marijuana metabolite 20 ng/ml methadone 300 ng/ml methaqualone 300 ng/ml propoxyphene 300 ng/ml
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
i am now having major anxiety and appreciate any thoughts on dilution i just dont think i want to risk subb
i am passing a 50ng home test w/o any real dilution - just a cup of coffee and an 8 oz glass of water.
help please.
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
SensiGirl,
Breathe...and relax....I have been a basket case as well and all it is doing, is nothing;My start date is next Monday and I already put my two weeks in so I feel your pain.(little pep talk) I've subbed a few days ago (QF)and still waiting. When is your test? This crap sucks I recommend to anyone quiting 4-6 months before you ever start your job search.
I did post about PCC/Oxidants and found others had the same result on thier home intergrity tests and still passed the lab tests.
Search for "Quick Fix 4.0 Oxidants/PCC" in google. there is another site just like this one. And follow this persons posting trail and you will see this person passed and found the same results I found with the integrity strips. He was freaking as well.
Although I do not have the answers right now...I did feel like you needed someone to calm you down.
As for what method I am not the expert but ones who is experiencing your pain.
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
"INTERPRETATION: AmphetamineBarbituratesBenzodiazepinesCocaineOpiat esPhencyclidine (PCP)THC (Marijuana) MetaboliteMessageDrugs are screened by immunoassay.
Positive results are confirmed by a second method. The following threshold concentrations are used for this analysis:
DRUG SCREENING THRESHOLD amphetamines 300 ng/ml barbiturates 300 ng/ml benzodiazepines 300 ng/ml cocaine metabolite 150 ng/ml opiates 300 ng/ml phencyclidine 25 ng/ml marijuana metabolite 20 ng/ml methadone 300 ng/ml methaqualone 300 ng/ml propoxyphene 300 ng/ml"
It appears that for the GC/MS test they will test at these levels. For the standard immunassay test the cutoff should be 50.
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
i know. i am freaking out. just finished 45 mins on the treadmill, trying to sweat and speed up the metabolism.
thing is, i dont know if i am at 48 ng, 45ng, 30ng, 20, whatever - just that i am not testing + at 50 ng.
subbing scares me because of my job and being caught could mean trouble
i quit for 2 mos, told i did not get the job. smoked 4-5 "hits" (not even bowls) 10 days ago - should be tested weds thurs or fri (trying to push it back)
i am just wondering if i can dil. to a level below 20ng, answers anyone? i would imagine.
also, killer, i thought about that too, that the 20 ng was for a "second test", because it says "this analysis", but can't tell for sure. poorly worded, that is for sure.
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
"INTERPRETATION: THC (Marijuana) Metabolite Drugs are screened by immunoassay.
Positive results are confirmed by a second method. The following threshold concentrations are used for this analysis:
DRUG SCREENING THRESHOLD marijuana metabolite 20 ng/ml
It appears that for the GC/MS test they will test at these levels. For the standard immunassay test the cutoff should be 50.
here is their website. i will call tomorrow and ask what that means. i looked at the other panels, and tried to compare if the thresholds are for the second test, or the 'drug screen' by immunoassy. hard time telling.
MEDTOX : Test Catalog
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
OK, i just called and asked
guy told me that 20 ng is the cut off for thc on the "screen" meaning the IA
however, he told me that this is not the best test for workplace testing and the employment catalog is not online, the test i was looking at was a clinical drug test and not a forensic test.
a nonregulated test can have a c/o of 100ng, 50ng or 20 ng with a gc/ms confirmation of 15, 1 or 5.
i still have no idea what level my test will be at. most likely 50 ng with the possibility of 20 ng
so, killer, deige, FBR, Tebit, and the powers that be, even if it is 20, in your opinion, how are my chances with dil. given the info above?
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
How many days clean are you? Are you passing your home tests without diluting?
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
thanks deige
today is 10 days, and before that i was 60 days clean and had tested clean at 50ng after a glass of water after 39 days
10 days ago - 5 small hits (super nice stuff) over a 4 hour period
by test time will be 13-15 days clean, with 60 days before that
tested clean today - not first void (but would never give that anyway)
had a cup of coffee and an 8 oz glass of juice. so no heavy dilution, just normal drinking and the third or fouth void of the a.m.
no asprin either.
not worried about 50ng, worried about 20ng
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
I dont want to tell you your going to be ok and then be wrong. Im not sure if any of us can tell you wether or not your going to fall under the 20ng level. Im really not sure why your cutoff would be this low for a regular pre-employment drug screen. The only tests ive seen that fall under this category would be a DOT test or and military screen. Are you getting faint lines or dark lines on your home tests?
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
Nice and dark - as dark as the control w/o dilution.
i might be paranoid about this. they dont even hire people who use tobacco. i am assuming the worst, and preparing myself for teh worst.
the job docs said medtox 10 panel drug of abuse screen, and the test i found, with the exact same name, had a 20 ng c/o, even tho it was a clinical test. maybe the employment one has the same name. but nonetheless they can choose 20 ng.
i am wondering what they are using. i will try and find out the name of the test before i go. i have no problems asking. i have not received any paperwork and don't expect to.
i know the online calculator isnt gospel, but using that, i shoud be at 26ng or so by test time. would think a minor dil. would take me below 20
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deige
I dont want to tell you your going to be ok and then be wrong. Im not sure if any of us can tell you wether or not your going to fall under the 20ng level. Im really not sure why your cutoff would be this low for a regular pre-employment drug screen. The only tests ive seen that fall under this category would be a DOT test or and military screen. Are you getting faint lines or dark lines on your home tests?
and don't worry Deige, i'm not looking for someone to give me a gaurantee - just opinions based on experience and hearing others' stories.
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
I honestly think your going to be ok, the dark lines are a good sign. Keep up your workout schedule and fiber intake. Then a few days before the test just be lazy. Make sure you load up on creatine 48 hours before the test and substitute gatorade for water in your dilution. I wish you the best of luck and be sure to let us know your results.
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
i will let everyone know whatever i find out in case it can help someone else. i have seen other people ask about medtox and not get much info.
i'll let you know when i am scheduled and if i find out the name of the test (SAP10-50 vs SAP 10-20) and what i do the day of, and how the facility is.
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
Quote:
Im not sure if any of us can tell you wether or not your going to fall under the 20ng level. Im really not sure why your cutoff would be this low for a regular pre-employment drug screen. The only tests ive seen that fall under this category would be a DOT test or and military screen.
The THC cutoff level for all DOT tests is 50 ng for the initial screen, and 15 ng for the confirmation test if the sample tests above 50 ng on the initial screen, as outlined in Subpart F - ยง40.87 of the DOT regulations, which can be found here: http://www.dot.gov/ost/dapc/NEW_DOCS...rt_f/40_87.pdf
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
right it would be better if it was a DOT test, then i would know it was 50 instead of 20
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
it does not make sense to me that an employer would prescreen with 20 ng when the field does not involve transportation or mental health or prescription drugs
it would seem they would get a lot moer initital positives and have to pay for the gc/ms and so would want to set it at 50
at least this is what i am telling myself to try to calm down
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deige
I honestly think your going to be ok, the dark lines are a good sign. Keep up your workout schedule and fiber intake. Then a few days before the test just be lazy. Make sure you load up on creatine 48 hours before the test and substitute gatorade for water in your dilution. I wish you the best of luck and be sure to let us know your results.
couldn't have said it any better, this would be a very smart measure
also, if you aren't confident, substitution will work 100% of the time if done correctly
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
It's usually 50 ng/ml on the immunoassay and 15ng/ml on the GC/MS or if they use 20ng/ml on the immunoassay they usually use 10 ng/ml on the GC/MS. It is possible for it to be a 20 and 10 ng/ml test. Yes you might not think it necessary in your field but maybe the employer has chose it for whatever reason.
Sensi, you mentioned in a post that "based on the online calculator" that you felt you were at 26 ng/ml. It looks like you have figured out that 20 ng/ml home tests are non existant or near impossible to find and that you are basing this on a worst case scenario of a half life of 10 days? Is this how you came up with it?
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
Right, half life.
60 days clean (tested (-) at day 39), minor lapse, will be 20 days from that day until the test. So, 80 days, with one minor lapse.
Tested (-) at 50 ng 4 days after lapse with dil. tested (-) 10 days after lapse w/o any dil. on first void of day
Figuring 100 ng level after lapse, 10 days would put me at 50, another 10 days at 25, which will be when my test is. should be able to dil. below 20 with a minor dilution, don't you think FBR?
I have a private test scheduled for tomorrow at 20 ng.
anyway, the employer told me it is a "DOT" type test, and i called teh facility and they told me this employer tests at 50 ng. unless i am completely being bullshitted and they ninja me, i should be just fine even without dil. on the 50 ng.
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50 ng, 20ng, 15 ng pre emp UA - thoughts and experiences
What happened sensi?
I have a sort of similar situation except I already have the job. Before I got this job 3 years ago, I quit smoking and now only smoke when our plant shuts down for christmas and new years. Unfortunately for me, I had a close friend to die that I hadn't seen in a while so I went to be with his brother and parents for a couple of days. This was in early June, and I hadn't smoked anything since Dec. 23rd 2008. On thursday night, I smoked with his brother. I took 3 hits from a pipe thursday, 3 more from a joint on Friday, and 3 more hits from a joint on Saturday. So a total of 9 hits in 3 days. Ofcourse I knew better than to do it, but I hadn't had a random in 8 or 9 months. Well I'll be DAMNED!!! At twelve days of clean time, they tested everybody in the freakin plant. They had a big sign above the time clocks, if you leave, you're fired. That's never been done before in the history of this place. I flipped out completely. Fortunately for me, I found out about this very early in the process (right place, right time, and lucky) I found out before my boss did, and told him my wife was in labor and I had to leave right away. (they know she really is prego, and really is due anytime) I know, it's terrible Karma, but I had the card so I played it. Beats getting fired, and forclosed etc etc. That was Thurs June 18, and we were closed due to economy on Friday, so I got the whole weekend to worry. I didn't do anything to alter or detox, just working outside and sweating like mad. June is murderous in Alabama. I had to make up the test on Monday when I went back. I had 15 complete days of clean time, and drank a very unreasonable amount of water prior to testing. Since my boss trusts me and just told me to go make up the test and didn't escort me to the HR office like they normally do for randoms, I was able to get out of sight for a while and drink and drink and pee either 3 or 4 times before I gave the sample. So I probably had a total of 6 or 8 good trips to the john that day before being tested. I don't know if drinking the water helped or not, but I felt very comfortable about my chances of getting a retest if the lab rejected it for being diluted. Certainly much more comfortable than not trying to dilute. The slip of paper HR gave me after she collected my sample says "MedTox Non-Regulated 5 Part Drug Testing Custody and Control Form". I think "Non-Regulated" is the keyword, hopefully meaning 50 ng/ml. I'm not sure about the rest, it says 5 part, not 5 panel. I didn't think of this until now, but I wonder if a very diluted sample is cause to subject the sample to a more advanced test rather than just simply rejecting it? Crap, I hope not.
So far, no news is good news. I gave the sample on Monday, and as of the end of my shift on Thursday, I still have a job. Surely they have my results back already, but then again, they tested about 400 or 500 people, so it may take longer than normal. If I get out with my skin on Friday, I'll be so relieved. I can't believe I was dumb enough to smoke, I have a baby on the way. I had fun those nights talking with my friend's brother and telling stories, but GOD the stress I've been under the last week. And this stress is nothing at all compared to the stress of having to tell my wife I've lost my job, and all the stress that will come from losing my income and insurance. I don't really make alot of money, but i'm lucky to have what I do.
I DO NOT RECOMMEND ANYONE SMOKING EVEN A LITTLE AT ALL IF THEY THINK THEY EVEN MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE A TEST OF ANY KIND.
Please don't forget about the possiblility of an on the job accident as well. You will be tested then too. It's the nature of an accident to happen without any warning, and to be a total surprise. Sh!# happens. Try to make sure you don't lose everything you own just because of an accidental finger cut or something.
Sorry for the long post, I've been really stressing this. Surely they have my results back by now and I'm good. It was only 9 hits in 3 days, with 6 months clean before that. Somebody please reply,and thanks for reading.