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sorry i cant put up this link
Here's the link, with my disclaimer: I do not find George Carlin either funny or as bright as he thinks he is, and I do not support Ron Paul as a candidate for the office of president of the United States. With supporters like George Carlin, Ron Paul doesn't need enemies.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktIECyzf4YM[/youtube]
Thanks Breukelen well i kinda like Carlin and i think he is very insightfull but too each his own i guess.But i think what he was saying is kinda true too some extent,but whether or not people want to accept it is another thing.
He pretty much says the truth in that video. Most people just don't want to hear it though.
Hey they are both great entertainers! :jointsmile:
meh a good chunk of it speaks the truth but I really disagree with the fact that American's are becoming more stupid. Trust me a hoodlum in the ghetto's is significantly smarter than someone who grew up in 1776. The reason why we think they were smarter is because most of the information that is retained from this time period is from those who held high positions such as John Adams or George Washington. Guess what they were the exceptional people who were educated through their wealth. Most people growing up back then were complete idiots compared to the stupidest person in America today. Also I really disagree with the notion that he claims the government is intentionally trying to keep people from becoming smarter just to retain they're power. Ok maybe the few people like Bush would want that but most politicians know from History that it is education that makes a nation state much stronger. It allows for new and more innovative ideas to be made. The primary incentive of politicians is to gain wealth and to gain wealth a nation must increase in power and to increase in power one contributing aspect is an increase in education. Obviously if the government intended to supress education then we wouldn't see the many grants available to college students. Also I think it's incredibly stupid to put faith in any politician and THAT INCLUDES RON PAUL. I mean yes he speaks the truth....does this mean he's gonna be honest if he ever became president? Hell no. George Bush spoke the truth before he was elected and look where he brought us? It's so stupid to put so much faith in any politician because when it comes down to it they all just want money and power. The idea isn't to look for a politician who will act like a saint but rather a politician who will do whatever it is that is in his best interest that will benefit us as well.
Someone with the consistent voting record is someone that I put a lot more trust in than any other candidate...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dream of the iris
Money and power? Is that why Ron Paul wants to shrink the size of government drastically?? I guess so? George Bush spoke that we didn't need to police the world, one of the things that Ron Paul advocates, but bush said nothing about limited government. Our founders knew what would happen when the government has too much power, and so does Ron Paul. And so should we if we're paying attention...But most people aren't so I guess we don't need a president who will fix the problems rather than creating more.
i feel the only reason why most people on this sight like Ron Paul is because of his views about marijuana. just because he wants to legalize it, then everyone idolizes him and thinks hes gonna be the greatest thing to happen to the country. So if we vote him in and our economy, and the whole country around it fail because of his "changing" the government for the "greater good" is all going to be outweighed because now we can legally smoke pot? it seems like thats all that people on this sight are drawn in under the false pretenses that under him, we will see legal marijuana. but didnt you know that to legalize it, it also has to pass through congress? start by electing on the state level then work your way up to the congressional level to see those kinds of changes that you think are gonna come by electing a president.
Dream soo if the government values educating its people why does your education system rank at the bottom of most lists compared to other weathy nations???Actions speak louder than words buddy...Comparing a person from 1776 to present day is like comparing apples to oranges come on.Someone in the ghetto is alot smarter than someone in 1776 but it still doesnt mean anything its when you compare people from other developed countries then youll see the difference.Your country makes it harder for a poor person to get a proper education than other countries.Example if i wanted to get a student loan in Canada i can regardless whether or not i have a criminal record ,can you say the same??
really because every website I check out on google tells me otherwise. Ok so we're not number one but we're certainly not at the bottom. In fact we're no where near the bottom. Heaven forbid because we arn't as smart as the Japanese that proves the whole conspiracy of the government trying to keep us stupid just for more power. And as for Markass's comment....I feel very sorry for you. Sure Ron Paul may be more honest than the other presidents but does that make his policies sound? For one thing his whole foreign policy is messed up. Its like he thinks the middle east will just forgive and forget just like that and everyone can live happily ever after and freely trade with everyone. I agree with some of the things he says about our foreign relations such as getting rid of our military bases in non hostile territories but his whole exit stradegy for Iraq is no stradegy at all. It's basically lets get the hell out of there and smoke a blunt.
Furthermore, his domestic policies are scary as hell. Sure he wants to legalize pot which is awesome but at the same time he wants to get rid of almost all of our government programs and completely get rid of taxes. I hate doing taxes but I understand the importance of giving my money up to the country because its for these social programs the government had set up. What he needs to be aiming for is not to just get rid of these agencies but rather revamp them. We still need things like the FDA or the social security system. We just need to re organize it more efficiently. Its like throwing out a bike that can still be fixed. And going back to the taxes issue, the idea of taxes is a very good thing, however, the practice of it is flawed. The money that we are giving to the government isn't being distributed properly. If we could fix that only then will taxes work accordingly to our desired social services. Ron Paul just wants to go back to the 19th century. The 19th century sucked. We don't need to get rid of these programs and taxes but rather re organize them.
sounds to me like you don't know very much about ron paul...He's to do a lot more things to turn this country around than ending the drug war. We listened to bush when he said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction...If Ron Paul's elected I think him telling people about the utter failure the war on drugs actually is this country will shift it's role in the drug war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frickr
That isn't the only good thing he would do for our country...simply one of many. Do you have any idea the effects of our government continuing to print money out of thin air?? Do you hear any other candidate talking about fixing that problem?
Dream your right about not being at the bottom pretty well middle of the pack just the way the elite want it.
more like thats just the way it is. I mean yeah we're a powerful country but we're certainly not perfect. In any case I don't see how you can justify this conspiracy theory on the fact that we're ranked at the bottom of the top portion of the list rather than the top. I don't know about anyone else in America but I can learn whatever the hell I want to learn with governmental assistance. I even have a really poor friend who grew up on the streets in Baltimore and he's even going to college....and trust me he's not that smart so lets see how ever did get into school? Government grants. You're right we haven't put as strong of an emphasis on education and the numbers clearly show this but its not because our government is supressing us and trying to make us stupid but rather we are focusing on other issues such as this big conflict in the middle east.
And as far as Markasses last remark, please enlighten all of us on the other policies Ron Paul has to offer and also why putting money out into the economy is bad? (I agree with the money part but frankly I don't believe you know what you're talking about but you are rather uttering direct words from Ron Paul).
Dream its not the fact that you guys have other things on the table,its the fact that public schools in your country (as well as mine but to a lesser degree) have been on the decline for at least 17 years.I wouldnt call it a conspiracy by the government to keep the little guy down but you have to wonder where their loyalties stand.All politicians have to look after there base and its the people with money who benifit not the little guy.Dream who is that picture in your avatar???
It is the big money people that matter more in politics but what breeds these rich people? Yeah there are old money people but eventually they run out and a new Rockafeller must emerge and how does one do this? Education. The government knows this and it obviously won't benefit them if a bunch of idiots are in this country. Supressing knowlege only works with facist nations and I know you're gonna rant on about how we're facists and thats not true. We did some bad things but so did Britian, France, Russia, Italy, Spain, and a whole mess of other countries.
oh yeah and my avatar is some black dude from Tim and Erics awesome show.
Dont know who tim and eric are sorry.Well i feel that the gvernment does not want an educated population because who would fight their wars for them.If everybody in America knew that Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction and no connection to 9/11 then do u think youd be in Iraq today?So i dont think it does serve the government well to have a well educated population.
Just wanted to address the myth that Ron Paul wants to legalize cannabis. ;)
He wants to get the federal government out of it and leave it up to the states. That's not legalizing by a long shot.
Fishman: That's so stupid how could an educated person know such things like no weapons of mass destruction and no connection to 9/11. It's not so much as a matter of education but rather how far up the political latter you are. Of course no common person would know that even if they were a genious because the government attempts to supress information like that. You have to be high ranking to know such a thing so when the common person such as you or me hears from the President that there are weapons of mass destruction more than likely you're gonna take his word for it and even if you're smart and skeptical of it how the hell could you find out anyway? I mean it seemed plausible that he would have weapons considering the fact that he was a ruthless dicator and considering the fact that the suicide hijackers were middle eastern and the fact that Suddam hates America for the gulf war it seems like it could have been likely. So really us not knowing about all the shenanigans bush made up isn't a matter of not being educated but rather a matter of being ignorant.
And as for Nailhead....
I'm not saying we should feel better because we're not alone in it I'm just pointing out that every government is bad ever since the begining and its not fair to explicitedly say that America's the bad guy. Everyone's the bad guy. And as far as Rockefeller goes....I wasn't talking about his children, I was talking about J.D Rockefeller the guy who went from a middle class family to being one of the richest man in America. That was education buddy.
Dream even i knew that there were no links to al quada and saddam and he had no nukes,if i knew then a hell of alot more government offiacials should of known including the senators who voted in favor of this war....The reason i knew is because i looked at all the bullshit the bushies were throwing out and looked at the facts and informed myself.There were alot of credible people who were saying that what the bushies were saying were not true and i tended to believe them.But ignorance and stupidity go hand in hand do they not?
Dream didnt rockefellar bootleg in his early days and thats how he started to make his money???
John D. Rockefeller, Sr. 1839-1937, was an American industrialist and founder of Standard Oil. He abstained from liquor and tobacco and was never involved in bootlegging. He was the richest person in America, possibly even in history, and a major philanthropistQuote:
Originally Posted by fishman3811
You are probably thinking of Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr., 1888-1969. Kennedy engaged in bootlegging during prohibition, and made a fortune from it, but he was well established in the world of business and politics before that. The Kennedy fortune was (is) immense, but nowhere near that of the Rockefeller family.
i really got nothing to add :stoned:, just thought this beared repeating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fencewalker
anybody know if and when Congressman Paul's bill to reign in the loco federalies is going for a vote on the floor? hope to be tuned in to CSPAN that day. my rep probably won't vote for it but if he doesn't i won't be voting for him in Nov. :S1:
exactly fuck politics you have NO choice its all pre-determined
Breuken thanks for clearing that up.Rockefellar also made a shitload of money from WW1 as i recall from some documentary i saw....
It's still languishing in committee so who knows when/if it will come up for a vote before summer recess. They tend to let these things die in committee instead of actually debating the merits of the bill. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by boaz
That is because the United States House Committee on Rules is majority democrat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fencewalker
thank you, Fencewalker. i think they tend to vote on these bills in the summer. i think they usually try to attach an ammendment to an appropriations bill or something. I think it was Congressman Henchy of New York who introduced the bills and ammendments in '05 and '06 to just simply stop funding for the dea, which i think works well, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fencewalker
Congress created the dea, Congress can reign them in. I personally believe the dea must be, in no uncertain terms, legally bound to respect the States medical cannabis regulations. this is the best solution, I personally think. Waiting for the executive branch to reschedule just ain't workin out. :twocents:
I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the difference between available education, and education availability? What I mean is, everyone in America can pretty much for free have access to any information they want. Just walk into a library and hop online. Everything you could ever learn in a college classroom you can learn in a library, for free. It has a few weaknesses in that you don't have a prof to ask question directly to, or have lab equipment if needed. For the most part though, the information required to educate one is readily available.
On the other hand, people seem to feel this desire to associate education with school only. I admit that I went to college, and it was great. I much preferred it to learning everything on my own. Towards the end of it though, I realized how big a waste of money it was in terms of what I actually learned. Life lessons aside, I can not advocate paying for school. The time and money involved in the degree to get the starting position could have been spent learning on your own, and working your way into a position to get a job in industry without a degree. Like say going from mail room and then getting hired from the inside.
The point I think I am trying to get it, is that I think the gov is not at all to blame for the education system in america. I think the corps are brainwashing the public (for lack of a better word) into willful ignorance. You can zone out in front of a tv for hours a day if you are not careful, and MANY people do this since it is easier than actually caring about stuff.
sorry dude, the truth was much more mundane, in 1776, Americans were the best educated people in the world. back then we LED the world, today, ... not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dream of the iris
here's an excerpt from and a link to an article you're more than welcome to read in it's entirety. Marking Pennsylvania History | WHYY
"In the second half of the 17th century, the literacy rate for adult men in New England is estimated to have been as high as 95%, more than twice the estimated literacy rate for men in England. American women had literacy rates higher than 60%. Nowhere in the world was literacy greater."
i guarantee the yo-yo's in 'da hood' won't bother and wouldn't understand if they did. (represent yo)
first, he's not saying it's the government, he's saying it's big business, the people who OWN the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dream of the iris
second, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why the people at the top would want to continue standing on the heads of those of us at the bottom.
and have you noticed how WIDE the bottom is becoming? and how few there are at the top?
not true dude, politicians only give a shit about getting elected and re-elected so they can take advantage of thier position. some may go into politics hoping to make a positive difference but all are quickly seduced by the lobbyists handing out free 'candy' for thier votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dream of the iris
LOL, heres another article to read dude, What's The Cost of a College Education?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dream of the iris
" What's The Cost of a College Education?
Every year, the price of a college education goes up. In the past couple of years the rate of increase at private colleges has actually slowed, the result in part of market forces: Families have been turning to state schools in greater numbers, forcing the private colleges to cut their prices, or at least to slow the increase of their prices. Partly in response to increased demand and partly because state budgets have been slashed, the rate of tuition increase at state schools has risen dramatically -- especially for out-of-state students who must pay extra."
LOL, something we can agree on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dream of the iris
i can only speak for myself but, in my opinion, this country is in such dire straits because, as a society, we have embraced the creed of, 'what's in it for me'. nearly everyone has become so self absorbed, so selfish, so self-aggrandizing that the bottom is exploding. instead of raising the bar for the under-priviledged, inner-city kids we have lowered the bar for all kids.
when we raise an entire generation to aspire to become thug's and ho's what can we expect. God help the world when the hip-hop generation comes to power!
i can hear the 'news' commentators now "Hair cum Prezident Sniff Doggy Doo Doo n aint da First Biatch lookin' phat tonite?"
bozo,
peace, love, dope