Worried sick!!

I am new to the community! I need some help please. I am 5'2 and about 270lbs. I live in Michigan, and I was caught in one of the surrounding suburbs with drugs. I did 30 days in county, and now they have me on this Program called Zero Tolerance (ZTOL)! If I knew then what I know now I would have done my 90 days! I got out on a sunday had to go drop for the first time on a monday, and I dropped dirty! And was locked up for three more days! I told my P.O. I havent been smoking cause hell I was in jail for 30 days, and she told me I should have been clean it only takes 30 days for u to get rid of the THC. So after my 3 day sanction I have another 30 days til I need to be dropping clean. As per this damn program the first violation is 3 days, then 10, 30, and finally 90. After that ur kicked out and u have to back to jail and do ur original sentence. When I failed my first test I asked the tester y. She told me that I would probly test positive for at least 4-5 months because of my size! Well Im only supposed to do ZTOL 4-3 months. I havent smoked in over 45 days I have been drinking like 4 litres of water a day, tested my self this morn and still dirty!!Ive taken detox pills, niacin, cranberry concetrate, & vinager and I just dont know what else I can do! Its been almost 60 days since I last smoked! How much longer could it take. Im almost out of time, my 30 days is up on May 1st! What can I do?!! I just think its so unfair to go back to jail for somthing Im not even doing, and Lord knows i I need a spliff!!!! And by it being through the court im not sure if I can take anything like a drink. I was told that the check ur creatine levels. Cant substitute my piss cause they fuckin watch me pee! I just dont think I can go back to that damn jail!! A crackhead could do this damn Program better than a weedhead!! Mind you for about the last 13yrs I have smoked about 5-6 blunts a day every day!! Right about now Im feeling hopless!! Please anyone HELP!!! Im hopping mad because I feel they should go by my levels, they should be dropping!! What else can I do to clean myself out?! Is there any1 I can complain to about this unfair practice!? :mad:

UHHHH.......Well that sux. Follow the DILUTION STICKY on this forum.

not sure if I can do that either its considered a violation if my urine is diluted, or if they find anything in it. Me thinks Im royally screwed. If its diluted its an automatic violation because they assume ur covering something up. This is the worst damn program Ive ever seen. I mean Ive never heard of such BS. OH yeah and they are random tests. I have to call everyday and if my letter or color comes up I have to go. The letter is for alcohol testing, so I cant even use mouthwash unless its alcohol free! Or chew gum or smoke before I go for that. The color is for drug testing. And from my little time on this shit they call u when ever!

The Vitamins are supposed to put color in your pisss, if you piss is clear they will think its diluted. try tons of gatorade that will keep some color. but the vitamins help alot. if you havent smoked there is nothng you can do, stay clean, excersize alot, use metamucil.

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Originally Posted by TomStall

The Vitamins are supposed to put color in your pisss, if you piss is clear they will think its diluted. try tons of gatorade that will keep some color. but the vitamins help alot. if you havent smoked there is nothng you can do, stay clean, excersize alot, use metamucil.

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Color is important but not pertinant for your UA. They cant fail your sample or claim its diluted by sight. Gatorade will help to raise specific gravity and help prevent a negative dilute. Tom has given you some good advice and if you follow the dilution method to a T you will be just fine.

ok so my 30 days are almost up! I am still drinking my 2-3 litres of water a day, and I have been taking my niacin, every day, and also I have been taking metamucil every day three times a day. I am not sure at what rate the niacin helps kick out the toxins but I have been on them for almost a week now. Can any1 tell me if it possible for me to be thc free? And no somking for 60 days now! I am hoping like hell my levels have dropped low enough to pass the next test!!

No way of knowing unless you test yourself. The niacin is a myth and i suggest that you refrain from taking it. Its nothing but a waste of time, money and your own personal comfort. Go get yourself a home drug test from walgreens and see where you stand. So good old fashioned cardio will also help you to shed some thc metabolites.

thx. But I did find this online about niacin.
Niacin and detoxification of fatty tissues
There are many 'detoxification programs' on the internet, but few of them acknowledge the significant fact that many toxins are stored in FATTY TISSUES. Until that fact is acknowledged, one can not develop a procedure for removing toxins from THAT location.

Until the Ron Hubbard purification program was developed, no one had even yet recognized that these oil soluble toxins had such long-term effects in the body.

An important characteristic of the Hubbard detoxification program is the use of niacin. Niacin has the well-known effect of causing "vasodilation", often called the niacin flush, which is an opening of the small blood vessels, the capillaries, so that more blood flows through them. These are the blood vessels which are of most value in reaching fatty tissues. In this way the toxins which are stored in these fatty tissues can be removed, into the bloodstream, and processed out of the body. However, niacin is also made in the form of niacinamide - a form of vitamin B3 which, deliberately, is manufactured so that it will NOT cause dilation of the blood vessels - the flush so well known when using plain niacin. A detoxification program which features the use of niacinamide and also claims to improve blood circulation would be based on false science.

Some detoxification programs don't even recognize that the toxins they claim to be removing are stored in fatty tissues. The idea of removing these toxins by some procedure which does not include niacin is not practical.

The niacin "flush"
It's important to note that this niacin flush is not harmful or dangerous. Some people worry about it, but it is actually a sign of improved blood flow.

When you get the niacin "flush", it's an indication that the niacin is causing small blood vessels in your body to be expanded in size. Many of your small blood vessels, called "capilaries" are so small that blood cells can only go through them in single file. Sometimes, in fact, that small capilary passageway is clogged and blood doesn't get through at all.

While the large organs of the body all have blood supplied from large arteries, a great deal of your body, particularly the parts near the skin, get their ONLY supply of blood (therefore also of oxygen and nutrients) from these small capillaries.

The niacin causes these small capilaries to expand - so they might be able to carry 2 or 3 blood cells at the same time. This is a tremendous increase in blood flow.

You experience this as a "flushing" of the skin, simply because there is more blood close to the surface of the body. As the blood flows in these areas, the cells of the small capilaries will also be getting rid of their waste products, and often they produce 'histamine' as part of this process. That histamine is another natural substance produced by every cell in the body when a cell is under attack, or is eliminating toxins. Histamine causes an 'itchy' feeling.



Cardiovascular benefits of niacin
The cardiovascular benefits of niacin have been studied in several major clinical trials (1-5). The primary cardiovascular measures such as cholesterol and triglyceride levels, strokes and heart attacks are all significantly reduced with niacin therapy (sometimes used alone and sometimes used along with other drug therapy). Overall, the use of niacin (nicotinic acid, but not the other form called "niacinamide") to treat or prevent high levels of blood cholesterol and triglycerides and reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease is well substantiated. In a large number of clinical trials, niacin has been shown to consistently lower total and LDL (â??badâ?�) cholesterol - by about 20% - and triglycerides - by 10 to 25%, while increasing levels of HDL (â??goodâ?�) cholesterol - by 15 to 25%.



Niacin safety
There are several precautions which one needs to implement however when one uses niacin. Niacin usually has a "flush effect" - which is not harmful - associated with it which is very similar to the hot flashes women experience during menopause. Niacin supplements are available in regular and â??timed-releaseâ?� forms. Timed-release versions of niacin have been made available to avoid this "flush" effect. The problem with most TIMED-RELEASED niacin is that they are associated with a high degree of liver problems.

The timed-release forms of nicotinic acid are intended for a prolonged release of niacin during its 6-8 hour transit time in the intestines, but timed-release niacin is also associated with greater toxicity and safe doses are only about half of normal-release forms of niacin.

In the high doses used for controlling cholesterol levels (anything above 100mg/day), nicotinic acid can cause skin flushing and skin itching as well as headaches, lightheadedness and low blood pressure. The niacinamide form of niacin does not cause these side effects, but it is not effective in reducing cholesterol levels, so it is seldom taken in such high doses. The slow-release versions of niacin supplements have the potential for causing liver damage (even at â??lowerâ?� doses of 500mg/day) - so blood tests to monitor for liver damage are recommended and high-dose niacin supplementation should only be undertaken under the guidance of a natural physician. Anyone with liver disease, including those who consume more than 2 drinks of alcohol daily, should not take high-dose niacin.

Niacin is cheap, so its effectiveness in reducing cholesterol levels may be an inexpensive solution to reducing a known risk factor for cardiovascular disease. When monitored properly by a natural physician, niacin therapy can be almost as effective as the popular (and expensive) statin drugs for lowering cholesterol and triglyceride levels. Niacin may be the most cost-effective lipid-lowering agent currently available.

In my opinion, the best price on the internet for high quality niacin can be found here. I also like Puritan Pride's special "Buy 1 Get 2 FREE" promotions on niacin.

Niacin dosing is usually started at the low-end (100mg/day), with increasing doses of 250mg each week until blood lipid levels start to normalize (or side effects develop). Side effects are usually minimized by increasing the dosage slowly to the common therapeutic range of 1000-1500mg/day. Niacin doses should be divided into 2-3 separate daily doses, or no more than 500-750mg per individual dose).

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Originally Posted by Poisonouslovely

ok so my 30 days are almost up! I am still drinking my 2-3 litres of water a day, and I have been taking my niacin, every day, and also I have been taking metamucil every day three times a day. I am not sure at what rate the niacin helps kick out the toxins but I have been on them for almost a week now. Can any1 tell me if it possible for me to be thc free? And no somking for 60 days now! I am hoping like hell my levels have dropped low enough to pass the next test!!

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Drop the niacin(L Ron Hubbard is not a great source), follow the dilution sticky to a tee. Be sure to properly creatin load.

You can get validity strips online from Craig Medical. These will tell you if you have the specific gravity right. If the sg is low, you fail for a neg dilute.

Also get some home tests from Walgreens(15.00), head shop(10.00), or Ebay(really cheap).

Test yourself, you should be fine.

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Drop the niacin (L Ron Hubbard is not a great source)

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Exactly! Hubbard, the founder of the Scientology cult, had no medical training whatsoever. Is this the kind of source you want to regard as credible?

Yeah pretty much all the "evidence" on niacin working unfortunately comes from a crazy cult. L Ron Hubbard is a cross between Isaac Asimov and Marshall Applewhite and isn't a medical source.

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Originally Posted by TebitEvas

Yeah pretty much all the "evidence" on niacin working unfortunately comes from a crazy cult. L Ron Hubbard is a cross between Isaac Asimov and Marshall Applewhite and isn't a medical source.

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TebitEvas.. good too see your back! Takes some of the work load off of all of us.:D

ok has any1 ever used one of those (wizanators)sp? Can I get away with one of those for a monitored drop? looked on web site but how long is tube? can I possibly get away with it like taped high on my back and it reach where I need it to? And how does it work do u push a button to release the urine, or a clamp or something? any advice on this would be greatly appreciated. At my wits end here. I just have to empty my pockets they dont like pat me down or anything. So Im thinking if i can put it in a good spot I just might be able to get away with it.

If they are going to observe you then i wouldn't risk it. When I mean observe, I mean literally stand there and watch you go in a cup. If this is not the case then the whizzinator is not the best choice. Its expensive and the Quick Fix bottle and heat pad will be just as effective. Crouch it before you go in and your golden if the temperature is right.

Im so damn mad!! Well still dirty and now going back to that damn HELL HOLE!! I feel like I just want to die. So unfair being punished for something I did in the past! How is that fair?!! How can they do this to ppl. Getting ready to start a new job and now I wont even be able to cause Ill be in fuckin jail. What kind of sense does that make?! You have to pay for every little thing. 12 bucks per test, court fees, jails stays, which will be my third, probation cost! How the hell am I supposed to pay and I cant even get a job and keep it cause of them and this damn shit!! I mean I got the job suppose to had started next week, and Lord knows I need the money now more than ever!! How the the does one become a productive citizen and continue their life when they keep doing this shit, I mean to just be snatched away from your life like that after you've paid your debt to society! And they wonder y ppl do desperate things trying to detox! Ppl who steal and kill dont go through shit like this!! Once they do their time its over, why do a fucking weed head like this? I mean I wasnt sellin it to kids or anything, I didnt kill any1, it was just for personal use! Who was I hurting but myself? Is it just me or is just a little to extrem for a fucking weed head. Maybe Im over reacting? Am i? I just feel like im having a nervous break down. Walking around scared to death cause I dont know when I will be clean, and just dont want to keep going through this shit! Now Im starting to feel there is no justice. I have lost all faith in our judicial system. Im sorry to keep bitchin just really tired and need to vent.

I'm sorry to hear this happened to you. Did you follow the dilution sticky on this last test???

Dude, put the money from all the fees towards a LAWYER

In this case, you really should have gotten a lawyer after the first injustice, that sucks. You should definitely not be penalized twice, and a lawyer I am sure could somehow help you.

Well I just got out of jail for the third time and I have decided to file a motion to see my judge and I need to write a letter to him about my situation, and I was just wondering where I could find some good medical info on how long thc stays in the body to submit with my motion. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank You.:(

I thought I responded to this a while ago. I think I wrote something then when I tried to submit it the server was busy.

Are you taking instant tests or instant tests then lab tests if the instant tests shows a failure? In many states this is your right that an instant test is not enough to be a failure. If so you need to be using this because the lab tests would be getting a level and they should see the level is declining. Some time this makes a difference sometimes not (it should all the time) so you need to explore this. Get a lawyer because I'm not one and that was a basic rundown.

The niacin myth was started by L Ron Hubbard over 50 years ago and is a pure myth. As stated before he had no medical training and claimed to be an expert from the human body to marine science to nuclear engineer. He was shit house crazy and to listen to this would be a mistake. Ironically, you tried to back up his myth with his own mythical information. Yes niacin helps lower certain triglyceride levels but the way it works to help with triglycerides makes no difference to THC.

Use fiber and try to mild dilute or have a laywer point out your declining levels.

Because marijuana is eliminated from your body following first order elimination, it can be easy to show that you are not using if they would use lab tests. It's like plotting a straight line on a graph using multiple points. If you were using, you wouldn't be able to plot a downward sloping line. Get a lawyer to explore this.

When did Michigan become such a hard ass state?

dude, michigan has mandatory minimums. it sucks.

Thx FBR I am going to make sure I ask that my levels be check, I want out of this darn program but I will settle for them checking my levels so I dont go back to damn jail! I know its gotta be dropping no smoke for over 65 days, will be 90 at the end of this month! Parts of Michigan dont play that shit. I was a first time offender! Never been arrested a day in my life b4 and no type of record! Just some real bull! I never thought I would get it that bad for simply having a dime, and no record. I was told that I would get a yr probation by the presentancing interveiwer! I was totally prepared for that but not all this shit! So Michiganders beware!!! Stay @ home and enjoy! I wouldnt wish this on my worst enemy!:(
Oh yeah my test are supposed to be lab but Im not sure since they keep fucking with me. I was told by my probation officer for this that according to the court I only have 30 days to be clean because "it only takes 30 day for u to b rid of the THC if you arent smoking!" But what the hell do they know cause I was in jail for thirty days the first time, and came out and dropped dirty! At this point Im scared to even look at some trees!!:D

I read an article a while back where they want to lower the guidelines even more for thc half life. I think it stated that everyone is below the 15 or 20 ng level in 10 days. More of the kind of junk science we end up with that rules our lives.

how i wish that were true. funny that they want to make up some bullshit to test at lower cut offs, but no scientist will say with any degree of certainty when someone will be below even a 50 ng c/o.

hey, but drink all you want.

Wow I really hate the U.S. 'War on drugs' bs. This sucks so much and there is nothing you can do. It's such a broken system, such harsh punishments for a harmless act of smoking MJ!

Seriously, we should all just move to Canada and end this torment.

Feeling a little better!! Took me five and a half damn months to get a clean drop!!!! They put me in fuckin rehab for smoking weed!! Didnt even know that they could do that! Just got through with that! PO hasnt dropped me since I was transfered to Wayne County! Thank GOD! Trying to not smoke! Just so damn hard. Wanna stay clean but I did have a moment of weakness, but hopefully I will not take so long to get clean since I havent smoked in like 8 months. But fuck it at least I cant do the dilution method cause they are not as hard core as Oakland county. They just dip here in Wayne no more lab!!!! Boy when this shit is over Ima lock myself away in the house for a least three days lol!!! Wont know if Im commin or going!!!5 more months to go!!!! Wish me luck!!:rastasmoke: