McCain Calls Plans to Withdraw From Iraq â??Recklessâ??

KANSAS CITYâ??Senator John McCain painted a highly positive picture of American progress in Iraq today as he implicitly criticized his Democratic competitors, Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, for what he called a policy of â??withdraw and re-invadeâ?� and for basing their positions on the war on political ambition.

â??Those who disregard the unmistakable progress we have made in the last year and the terrible consequences that would ensue were we to abandon our responsibilities in Iraq have chosen another road,â??â?? Mr. McCain said in a speech to a gathering of the Veterans of Foreign Wars. â??It may appear to be the easier course of action, but it is a much more reckless one, and it does them no credit even if it gives them an advantage in the next election.â??â??

In remarks delivered a day before General David Petraeus, the commander of American forces in Iraq, is to testify before two committees and the three presidential candidates on Capitol Hill, Mr. McCain declared that the United States is â??no longer staring into the abyss of defeat.â??â??

Instead, he said, America â??can now look ahead to the genuine prospect of success.â??â??
Mr. McCain said the U.S. could achieve the goal of an Iraq that no longer needs American troops â??perhaps sooner than many imagine,â??â?? but called for no withdrawals, as Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama have. â??To promise a withdrawal of our forces from Iraq, regardless of the calamitous consequences to the Iraqi people, our most vital interests, and the future of the Middle East, is the height of irresponsibility,â??â?? Mr. McCain said. â??It is a failure of leadership.â??â??
McCain Calls Plans to Withdraw From Iraq Reckless - The Caucus - Politics - New York Times Blog

I couldn't agree more.......:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

But we're broke. It would be irresponsible to keep spending money we dont have and put our country even worse off.

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But we're broke. It would be irresponsible to keep spending money we dont have and put our country even worse off.

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We should just take their oil. It wouldn't pay us nearly what we deserve, but it's a start.

We've spent billions, lost thousands of lives, and our troops have sustained countless injuries to help the Iraqi people. It's about time we started to get some kind of reimbursement for our trouble.

Hell we're running low on cannon fodder. They're going to have to stop before much longer or they are going to have to change the enlistment ages to from 8 to 80.

Mccain has noo grasp on reality and anyone who believes this baffoon is as dumb as him.What did he say in Baghdad awhile ago that Baghdad is totally safe as he is being eclipsed by 100 guards and overhead choppers......what a joke

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Mccain has noo grasp on reality and anyone who believes this baffoon is as dumb as him.What did he say in Baghdad awhile ago that Baghdad is totally safe as he is being eclipsed by 100 guards and overhead choppers......what a joke

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LOL... what??

Well, you certainly picked some smash-up reasons for despising an American presidential candidate! Your word may pull some serious clout with like-minded Canadians that are still in the dark about EVERYTHING American, but around here, eh, you're the one that sounds like a fanatical ranting buffoon. McCain isn't perfect, but he's the best candidate (that stands a chance at winning) that we have at the moment.

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LOL... what??

Well, you certainly picked some smash-up reasons for despising an American presidential candidate! Your word may pull some serious clout with like-minded Canadians that are still in the dark about EVERYTHING American, but around here, eh, you're the one that sounds like a fanatical ranting buffoon. McCain isn't perfect, but he's the best candidate (that stands a chance at winning) that we have at the moment.

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There are merchant accounts disputing what McCain stated on the security of Baghdad. Fish here isn't a ranting buffoon.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/wo.../03mccain.html

With that, I agree with you McCain is the best candidate if only because Obama and Hillary are that bad. They're all freakin' liars who will only worsen the economic crisis but McCain won't break up gaining revenue from Iraq for this war and more likely of the 3 to cut spending tho not in military which is where it should begin.

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There are merchant accounts disputing what McCain stated on the security of Baghdad. Fish here isn't a ranting buffoon.

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I remember the story. I just sense a good bit of anti-America sentiment coming from his end in many posts, and was pointing out that his attack on McCain was a little brash.

McCain understands the need to eventually draw down forces in Iraq, and I think many people take his "100 years in Iraq..." statement a little too seriously... that's about all the only mud they have to sling. The Dems are a much more interesting talking point, hands down, with all their misspeaking and wacky public charades, and much better candidates for the 'Most Likely To Ruin America' award... yet, these clowns have very little to say about them. McCain isn't ideal, but at least he understands the lessons that only suffering through a war can teach you, and would be much more likely to resolve the whole crisis without resorting to an all-out retreat from the very beginning of his tenure. The last thing we need is to be viewed as cowards by the radical groups still out there who are just looking for reasons to become emboldened.

There are ways to resolve the conflict in Iraq, but it's going to take time. Cutting & running isn't the answer, and it's all the Dems have to position themselves on.

Yes there are ways to resolve this conflict....get out of Iraq....the Iraqi people dont want you there the insurgents dont want you there...the only people who want you there is the puppet government that u put in charge....The people of Iraq have seen what the U.S democracy brings and things were better with saddam in charge.The iraqi people have suffered enough under U.S rule and as long as you kill innocent women and children they will kill u....

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It is absolute ignorance to think we can just "get out of Iraq" instantaneously. Do you not realize that if we leave, we will simply create a void, which will ultimately result in a vacuum effect sucking up various terror outfits and eventually creating immense instability in the already turbulent middle eastern region.
Also simply leaving Iraq would send a message to the world that if you can hold out long enough against mighty America, eventually they will give up, and I'm sorry Fishman but as an American, I refuse to give up. no one is doubting that strategical errors were made in this war, but the fact of the matter is that weather we like it or not we are entrenched in Iraq. As Americans we have an obligation to our future sons and daughters to do what we can now in the present to make the future a safer place four our American children and leaving Iraq right now, In my opinion would do the exact opposite...:stoned:

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Yes there are ways to resolve this conflict....get out of Iraq....the Iraqi people dont want you there the insurgents dont want you there...the only people who want you there is the puppet government that u put in charge.

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Until that area is stable you can bet your ass that the majority of the population knows that it's in their best interests to have us on the ground there. I SUPPOSE the insurgents wouldn't want us there but hey, tough shit.

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The iraqi people have suffered enough under U.S rule and as long as you kill innocent women and children they will kill u....

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Fishman.....unreal! Since your an expert on the death toll for women and children how many were killed by U.S. bombing as opposed to your insurgent buddies? ALSO, hows the oil drilling going for Canada? The vultures still getting their unfair share of the revenue?

Have a good one!:s4:

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Yes there are ways to resolve this conflict....get out of Iraq....the Iraqi people dont want you there the insurgents dont want you there...the only people who want you there is the puppet government that u put in charge....The people of Iraq have seen what the U.S democracy brings and things were better with saddam in charge.The iraqi people have suffered enough under U.S rule and as long as you kill innocent women and children they will kill u....

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Sounds to me that you've never been to Iraq... Because you're way off.:thumbsup:

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There are merchant accounts disputing what McCain stated on the security of Baghdad. Fish here isn't a ranting buffoon.

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You're kidding, right?
Not a buffoon? lol,lol,lol,lol.
Ok...how about uninformed propagandist? Factually impared? Or...better yet...misguided revisionist foreigner.

As far as the article...yellow journalism is rampant in the NY Times, and not the best source for honest representations of the truth, especially in Iraq. How about the fact that the market is open in the first place?
When is the last time you heard the Times write of the infrastructure being expanded and repaired? Where are the stories about the schools that are open to all? The hospitals that care for all Iraqi's, regardless of sect? Where are the stories about the political reconcilliation going on in the Maliki government? What about the facts regarding the overall sucesses the US military training the Itraqi security forces, and the results of that training?

What do you folks think they'd do, going into the Baghdad proper. Drive around in an open-to convertable, like a Kennedy in Dallas? Of couese there was more security. Would be pretty stupid to parade our presidential hopeful, with no additional security.
Tell ya what, let's send those liars, Billary and Osama Obama over there with no security. Just for the fun of watching her "ducking sniper fire" story come full circle, lol.

If you're going to send the other two in unprotected, you can't forget McCain.

What amazes me is that anyone could talk about "Insane McCain" as if he's an improvement over anything else available. They're all from the bottom of the barrel.. it's just a question of which side of the bottom of the barrel they fermented on. I guess what also amazes me is that I'm still amazed people get caught up in this shit-flinging contest.

But alas, American politics these days seems to be little more than another team sport. Don't care what kind of scumbag or psycho gets elected or how quickly they can run the country into the ground, as long as their "team" wins.

I'll cheer for more war.. just because it keeps the rich getting richer. I mean, I just saw something a few days back about how Cheney has recently invested something like $30 million of his own money into European funds that stand to profit directly from the collapse of the American economy. (brought to you in part by these two pointless, but nonetheless great for the upper class, wars) I mean, really.. how brilliant is that? If we're not smart or capable enough to see that coming and to be able to personally profit from it, then I guess we deserve what we get. Just like we deserve what we get when we play along with this Democrap vs. Repugnant dog-and-pony show, as if anything contained within is going to do us a damn bit of good. Whoever wins, we all still lose. I'm not being sarcastic in any part of this paragraph.

But hey, as long as you all are still having "fun" getting caught up in the game, why quit, right?



One more on my way to trying to get 50 posts, just so I can give a little bit of up-arrow approval to the LED threads that are why I signed up here. Which, ultimately, is the only reason I'm posting posts like these. (oh, these are my real opinions, sort of.. I just wouldn't have posted them normally) I'm just giving you more meat to my post-count padding than "I agree", "I disagree", "Great thread", "here come the flying monkeys, we're all going to die", etc.

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If you're going to send the other two in unprotected, you can't forget McCain.

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Tiz my game, I'll play it how I want.

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I mean, I just saw something a few days back about how Cheney has recently invested something like $30 million of his own money into European funds that stand to profit directly from the collapse of the American economy. (brought to you in part by these two pointless, but nonetheless great for the upper class, wars)

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Would love to read-up on this. Please provide your source. Sounds like someone's hanging chad woke-up on the wrong side of the ballot, lol.

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One more on my way to trying to get 50 posts, just so I can give a little bit of up-arrow approval to the LED threads that are why I signed up here. Which, ultimately, is the only reason I'm posting posts like these. (oh, these are my real opinions, sort of.. I just wouldn't have posted them normally) I'm just giving you more meat to my post-count padding than "I agree", "I disagree", "Great thread", "here come the flying monkeys, we're all going to die", etc.

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Curious...if some of these statememnts are only sort-of your views...exactly which are yours, and which are the parroted rhetoric?

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Tiz my game, I'll play it how I want.

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Even if it runs the country into the ground? Not that I care if it does, really. I'm no patriot.

While I'm thinking about it, credit McCain and his buddy Kerry for ridding me of my automatic level of respect for Vietnam vets, originally gained as the son of one who wasn't a great person to begin with. I shouldn't have been giving them a free ride, anyway.. they're just as capable of being awful people as the rest of us.

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Would love to read-up on this. Please provide your source. Sounds like someone's hanging chad woke-up on the wrong side of the ballot, lol.

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I really doubt you'd like to do anything more than look where it came from and try to mock it. Go looking for it. I can't be bothered to go chasing down a link that you'll probably just find someone else's talking point over, so you can sit there all smug and self-righteous. What, can't you believe that your (s)elected officials would sell you down the river without so much as a kiss first? I could. Hell, I'm cheering them on. I'm done being frustrated by the struggle of the haves and have-nots, even if I am still on the "have-not" side. If ol' Swingin' Dick Cheney has the smarts to see something like total economic collapse coming (and he IS in a good position to see it, if not help it along) and invest to protect himself from or even profit from it, then more power to him. Bravo. Well played, sir. Sincerely.

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Rhetoric parroted from whom, exactly? I'm not a Democrap or a Repugnant. I'm not a member of any political organization aside from being registered Ind. I'm just a guy who has lost all faith in the human race. My main goal in life has been to raise just enough money to be able to buy some land way out of town in some out of the way place like New Zealand, and just live out my days growing my own food and other such needs. Unfortunately, I'm not very likely to do that since I'm less than 10 years from the maximum age allowed to emigrate to New Zealand.. still way too close to broke for my own good.. and I'm an only child who will probably end up having to look after a disabled parent who would not be able to move to NZ with me if I could go. So I'm stuck in this insane asylum you all call a country, with nothing more than about a hundred rounds of ammo between me and being one of the first likely victims once this place goes tits-up and mob rule kicks in.

Frankly, if I hadn't switched from alcohol to weed and reversed years of self-destruction, I'd have probably ended up eating a bullet by 40 since I'm so completely frustrated with dealing with the religious loonies and the political hooliganism and the utter lack of personal responsibility in this get-5-million-for-a-spilled-cup-of-coffee "civilization". So again, I ask you, what rhetoric, exactly? I don't care if the status quo is maintained like a thousand year Reich, and I don't care if it's all overturned tomorrow and we're ruled by sentient flounder from here on out. I care about myself, and those I choose to look after. At least I'm man enough to admit my only interest is self-interest.

You want my "real" view? My real view is that I'd like to see an asteroid or GRB cull most of the population. That GRB that could come from the constellation Sagittarius at any time would, for example, wipe out somewhere around 50-60% of life on Earth. I mean, really.. what are any of us doing with our space and time on the planet, aside from suing each other and just generally advancing a diseased and corrupt (but still brilliant) status quo? Or arguing about which traitorous hack is going to screw up the Oval Office the least? Anyway, a fast strike from an asteroid would be painless to all those in the blast radius.. and for those not in the blast radius? I thought suffering was generally considered character-building..

I don't personally hold a grudge against any of you in the human race. I just don't have faith in you anymore, so I work on improving myself while deriving amusement from you all running yourselves into the ground. I suppose that makes me a bad person, but hey.. you're voting for bad people, so what's wrong with being a bad person?

Am I insane? Probably. Am I a monster? Possibly. But I'm reasonably happy for the first time in a long time.. and it's not because I cooked this bud before smoking it.

Postcount = postcount + 1.. soon I'll WIN A BRAND NEW.. I mean, err, be able to give an up-arrow to SnSstealth's grow log.

Gee...sorry. I didn't realise your issues were so much deeper than the rest of us. It does however show, in the quality of the content. The knowledge we all gained reading about your problems, the effects your past has on your views about politics, veterans, those in power. Heartwrenching.

Altho your anguish is unfortunate, your statements are still rhetoric, (too lazy to back your Cheney statement?) without factual foundation, and yes, a bit self centered. But that's ok, I too feel that suffering is generally considered character-building...main difference I can see between us...I haven't let it devolve me into a cynical twit wishing for the utter destruction of those that have not recognized my greatness at overcoming my tragic life and circumstances.

Enjoy your up-arrow, lol.

Thanks. You've acted exactly as expected.

Whether or not you believe what I read about Cheney is irrelevant. If you REALLY want to know about it badly enough, you'll search for it. If you're just here to get into an Internet pissing contest, you'll keep badgering me for a link and berating me when I don't provide one. What is relevant is that I believe it.. and on top of that, I highly approve of it. I respect true intelligence. That may seem heartless to you, our own vice-president betting against us, but that's strong survival instinct there. Prospering no matter which way the wind blows.

See, your cheap shots aside, I've realized that I'm only smart enough to know I'm not smart enough. No one needs to recognize my brilliance, because there isn't any. Besides, why would someone who wants to divorce the human race and move out into the country to be basically a comfortable hermit even CARE if another human recognized their brilliance or lack thereof?

The majority of the human race, myself included, are no better than cattle. Watch enough nature shows and you'll see our behavio(u)r mirrored all over the place. Murdering for resources, murdering for territory, murdering because one animal's scent is different from another's. There's more baby-killing in an episode of Meerkat Manor than in the fevered imaginings of a hippie's idea of Vietnam. You're all going to find ways to kill each other off eventually. It's in your blood. It's in my blood. Eventually it'll be my turn, too. Why not have a laugh at the herd animals who are ahead of me in line to the slaughterhouse, and laugh at the herd animals behind me because they'll be walking in more shit than I am?

I have no faith in the human race.. but I have faith in life itself. We can be eradicated just as easily as we've infested the place.. but life will go on. Life has continued even when nothing was left alive on the surface of the planet. Life can and will go on even if we're a relative dead-end. Life doesn't care if we vote for one of three incompetent half-wits who couldn't lead a snake to a house full of rats. Thank Mythbusters for showing that more than just the cockroaches will be alive once we take ourselves out of the picture.

Pc = Pc + 1 (would be a lot easier if I didn't have to fill 50 posts just to do something nice for a few people here.. then I'd have never posted any of this.. seriously.. do you think I'm not aware that my opinions are at odds with, umm, most of humanity?)

I await your next batch of derision. Should be an excuse for one more post.

Hey, cool.. I guess they were wrong about the 50 posts, because I can finally up-vote good threads.. (and I did) which means my task is complete and I can go back to lurking. Good luck with that whole dog-and-pony show, as if it's going to do any of us a damn bit of good. Have fun bashing me as just another lunatic. I'm certain you'll avail yourself of the opportunity. Sometimes it seems like ill will is a hobby around here. Pages and pages of bashing SnSstealth for spending $1800 on something "useless", for example. Many of you are certainly doing your part to dispel that whole stoner "peace and love" stereotype. Fight the stereotypes, dudes! Fight! FIGHT! FIGHT!!!11oneoen1eleventy1! Grr! Heh.

I kid, I kid. The pain relief from this cooked bud is fantastic. Makes me feel almost normal again. Anyway, have a day. We return you to your regularly-scheduled arguing.

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You're kidding, right?
Not a buffoon? lol,lol,lol,lol.
Ok...how about uninformed propagandist? Factually impared? Or...better yet...misguided revisionist foreigner.

As far as the article...yellow journalism is rampant in the NY Times, and not the best source for honest representations of the truth, especially in Iraq. How about the fact that the market is open in the first place?
When is the last time you heard the Times write of the infrastructure being expanded and repaired? Where are the stories about the schools that are open to all? The hospitals that care for all Iraqi's, regardless of sect? Where are the stories about the political reconcilliation going on in the Maliki government? What about the facts regarding the overall sucesses the US military training the Itraqi security forces, and the results of that training?

What do you folks think they'd do, going into the Baghdad proper. Drive around in an open-to convertable, like a Kennedy in Dallas? Of couese there was more security. Would be pretty stupid to parade our presidential hopeful, with no additional security.
Tell ya what, let's send those liars, Billary and Osama Obama over there with no security. Just for the fun of watching her "ducking sniper fire" story come full circle, lol.

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He may not believe what you mean, but that doesn't mean it's true. Yeah it's true there are many in the media who do not report good news. Heard of the saying 95% of news is bad news? It sells. But that doesn't mean events like this weren't true. That's what politicians do, they stretch the truth, little harm, little foul.

Everyone accuses of media of having some bias and for some part, it's true. Objectivity is slowly being lost.

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KANSAS CITYâ??Senator John McCain painted a highly positive picture of American progress in Iraq today as he implicitly criticized his Democratic competitors, Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, for what he called a policy of â??withdraw and re-invadeâ?� and for basing their positions on the war on political ambition.

â??Those who disregard the unmistakable progress we have made in the last year and the terrible consequences that would ensue were we to abandon our responsibilities in Iraq have chosen another road,â??â?? Mr. McCain said in a speech to a gathering of the Veterans of Foreign Wars. â??It may appear to be the easier course of action, but it is a much more reckless one, and it does them no credit even if it gives them an advantage in the next election.â??â??

In remarks delivered a day before General David Petraeus, the commander of American forces in Iraq, is to testify before two committees and the three presidential candidates on Capitol Hill, Mr. McCain declared that the United States is â??no longer staring into the abyss of defeat.â??â??

Instead, he said, America â??can now look ahead to the genuine prospect of success.â??â??
Mr. McCain said the U.S. could achieve the goal of an Iraq that no longer needs American troops â??perhaps sooner than many imagine,â??â?? but called for no withdrawals, as Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama have. â??To promise a withdrawal of our forces from Iraq, regardless of the calamitous consequences to the Iraqi people, our most vital interests, and the future of the Middle East, is the height of irresponsibility,â??â?? Mr. McCain said. â??It is a failure of leadership.â??â??
McCain Calls Plans to Withdraw From Iraq Reckless - The Caucus - Politics - New York Times Blog

I couldn't agree more.......:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

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That's also coming from the ignorant bastard who said we should be there for the next 50-100 years 'if we have to' When do we win this war?? When the people who have been fighting each other for thousands of years over religion stop?? When our country falls apart because we keep printing money out of thin air...

This war is nothing but a motherfucking joke...I wish they'd hurry up and initiate a draft so I'd have an excuse to leave this place.

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The exit doors are always wide open my friend. feel free to walk out anytime.. America doesn't need to people waiting for excuses to leave!!:stoned:

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That's also coming from the ignorant bastard who said we should be there for the next 50-100 years 'if we have to' When do we win this war?? When the people who have been fighting each other for thousands of years over religion stop??

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"MCCAIN: Maybe 100. We have been in Japan for 60 years. We have been in South Korea for 50 years or so. That would be fine with me as long as Americans...

QUESTION: So that is your...

MCCAIN: As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. Then it's fine with me."
USS Neverdock: Reporting on Terrorism, Terrorists, Islam, and biased media

If your gonna quote the man at least get it right.....seems that the left wing candidates have the same problem.

Have a good one!:s4:

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That's also coming from the ignorant bastard who said we should be there for the next 50-100 years 'if we have to'

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Ignorant? That sure is the pot calling the kettle black. Your lack of knowledge regarding McCains entire quote is showing, or you just like to spread lies. One of the two.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAlH1oZ0NfU[/YOUTUBE]

This is the ignorant bastard I was talking about.

So it's okay to stay there until 'we win' while young american men and women continue to be injured and die? What if that takes fifty years?? He damn sure wants us to stay there, and so do you.

lol, if he's fine with us staying there as long as noone dies, why the fuck are we still there?? Oh yeah, because we have to 'win.' Sorry, I forgot.

So are we going to keep fighting until they all come to peace with one religion that doesn't hate another or something?? When do we 'win?' When the Iraqi government is 'stable?' When are they 'stable?' Maybe when four thousand more soldiers lose their lives and thousands more injured and we realize they're going to continue fighting because our occupation in their land itself pisses them the fuck off??

I damn sure would be shooting at anyone if they occupied my country and had shot my cousin, uncle, or mom or dad thinking they were a terrorist by mistake. They are too.

So it's okay to stay there until 'we win' while young american men and women continue to be injured and die? What if that takes fifty years?? He damn sure wants us to stay there, and so do you.[/QUOTE]

Well, if your under the impression that ground conditions are the same now as a year or two ago I suppose but that isn't the case. Seems that the left is just hoping for this type of scenario.

So if not McCain which of the other two do ya think will pull us out safely.......be prepared!:D

Have a good one!:s4:

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So it's okay to stay there until 'we win' while young american men and women continue to be injured and die? What if that takes fifty years?? He damn sure wants us to stay there, and so do you.

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Well, if your under the impression that ground conditions are the same now as a year or two ago I suppose but that isn't the case. Seems that the left is just hoping for this type of scenario.

So if not McCain which of the other two do ya think will pull us out safely.......be prepared!:D

Have a good one!:s4:[/QUOTE]

Neither nor, I think Ron Paul would institute a foreign policy in which we can afford as well as realistically manage. I don't care how much 'things have changed...' The constitution is the constitution, and we shouldn't make up excuses not to listen to it. ..The constitution means just as much to me as an American as it does for me to have the opportunity to be able to wake up and live my life every day, and never in my life, as long as I'm an American will I respect ANYBODY who doesn't respect it. Iraq is not worth even ONE American soldier to lose their life over. We do not need to have troops in any country aside from our own. That's why they're AMERICAN soldiers. They're supposed to defend our country, not another country, and being 6,000 miles away in Iraq is not defending our country. Increasing our airport security and having them at home, able to defend our country if the need arises is defending our country...

[YOUTUBE]http://youtube.com/watch?v=WQMCcyKkJZI[/YOUTUBE]

Ron Paul's name will be written in on my ballot in november, I guarantee it. And no, the CFR isn't the only reason I'm voting for him, it is how he speaks truth about what things have come to in this country.

I don't know why some people think we need to police the world, we have enough fucking problems of our own to deal with before dealing with others...Although we shouldn't do either, we should be preventing genocide in Darfur before we're fucking in the middle of a desert trying to stop a religious war...

And for the gentleman who said I'm free to leave the country if that's how I feel, I need a bit more of a reason to...aside from I'm forced to be in pain because it's illegal for me to consume the plant in which most effectively alleviates my pain without undesirable side effects..And now I go to jail for a year if I fail a drug test. My government doesn't care about me one bit, they just want to take my money and waste it for Iraq's citizens. Fuck that shit.

And by the way, could you describe 'pulling us out safely' And don't tell me that means not leaving until we've 'won' or they've surrendered...Who's they?? The same people who have been fighting against each other for thousands of years??

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And by the way, could you describe 'pulling us out safely' And don't tell me that means not leaving until we've 'won' or they've surrendered...Who's they?? The same people who have been fighting against each other for thousands of years??

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You tell me the logic in that plan. That's what the dems have in mind my friend. Pull out the majority of the troops but leave enough to protect 100,000 civilian workers, our diplomats, our embassy, and loyal Iraqi nationals. So how many troops does that take and which of these unlucky s.o.b.s are going to be left behind to do just that?

There are only 2 logical solutions;
1) McCains method...finish the job.
2) Ron Pauls.....complete withdrawl.

Since Ron has a snowballs chance in hell of ever being elected I'm backing the only other logical choice.

Have a good one!:s4:

Yeah but what i dont understand is yes u have troops in germany and japan and korea but having troops there and having troops in Iraq are 2 different things because Iraq is muslim and any western forces would be considered an occupier am i right or wrong????

We already have bases across the middle east.
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Like stated, there will not be any permanent bases in Iraq unless approved by the Iraqi government.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

You tell me the logic in that plan. That's what the dems have in mind my friend. Pull out the majority of the troops but leave enough to protect 100,000 civilian workers, our diplomats, our embassy, and loyal Iraqi nationals. So how many troops does that take and which of these unlucky s.o.b.s are going to be left behind to do just that?

There are only 2 logical solutions;
1) McCains method...finish the job.
2) Ron Pauls.....complete withdrawl.

Since Ron has a snowballs chance in hell of ever being elected I'm backing the only other logical choice.

Have a good one!:s4:

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What's finishing the job though??? Staying there for another fifty or a hundred years if we have to so that we can 'finish the job?'

It's not our business...If a foreign country had an embassy in our country I damn sure would be shooting rockets and guns at it as well...As will they. Forever.

We shouldn't have an embassy over there...why the fuck do we need an embassy in Iraq? It's six thousand fucking miles away...Why don't we put some aspiring young people through medical school who otherwise cannot afford it?? We shouldn't even have soldiers over there defending THEIR country...They enlisted to protect ours. And to be quite honest, most enlisted to help out their states in the national guard, but soon became the international guard..This ridiculous war is such a quagmire...

I expect it to take 4, 10, or maybe even 20 thousand more of our young men and women to die before they realize...maybe we can't change what these people believe in...

It's such a HUGE asset for something that's not even going to benefit our country...