about 2 weeks ago i swore my oath to the us and signed papers and all that non sense. i recently discovered my recruiter lied to me and screwed my plan over. i am supposed to ship out to bootcamp (army) june 5th. how do i get out?
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about 2 weeks ago i swore my oath to the us and signed papers and all that non sense. i recently discovered my recruiter lied to me and screwed my plan over. i am supposed to ship out to bootcamp (army) june 5th. how do i get out?
If you swore an oath, signed all the paperwork, etc., looks like "dishonorable discharge" is going to be your best bet. If you were really serious about serving your country in the first place, your mind shouldn't have been so easily changed by a single recruiter. Maybe there's a way for you to clear up whatever supposed wrong that you want right without the need to renege on your contract... perhaps by speaking with someone with a little more authority than a recruiter. That's what I'd do.
Mr. C. is right. You do not want dishonorable discharge on your record- it will seriously hurt your future employability. If you were serious about joining the military, don't let one recruiter's slimy tactics get in the way of that goal.
How different is what he said than what you are seeing the truth is? Is it enough to really change your mind about the whole thing? Why did you want to join the military to begin with? What is this dishonesty? Do you have written documentation of the alleged lie/ original promise?
I'd assemble whatever you have and write a formal letter to someone with more authority explaining what you were led to believe, and politely requesting that the promise be honored.
Diden't want my first post to be this random, but I'd like to throw my 2 cents down.
November 05 I signed up for the navy. Aug 06 after my highschool graduation I swore my owth, and shipped out to boot camp. Long story short a fractured knee cap led to a long imprisionment in Navy seperations. Now the point of my post. If your not enlisted for more then 6 months you can't get a dishonorable discharge. They will brig you for (say) going AWOL, but your discharge will be the same as any other recruit under 6 months "Uncharacterized(ENTRY LEVEL SEPERATION)" Now your renlistment code will really be what you should worry about. Re3E would mean you can go back in. A re4E they won't accept you ever again. If you really want out call your local m.e.p.s. And ask to speek to a high ranked member of your service. Your life will be hell if you wait.
If you didn't get it in writing, then the best bet you have is to fail the physical requirements for boot camp (number of pushups, situps and 2 mile run), imo.
This happens quite frequently. You have to read the paperwork before you sign it. I would just refuse to cooperate. I had a nephew that went through the same bullshit. Why join the military when they have no ethics?
You'll have to do a bunch of babysitting of fellow soldiers and officers during bootcamp. Just stand up and say you were cheated by your government and you will not cooperate.
The easiest way is to claim your suicidal :) and neon is right. It wont be dishonerable it will be a general discharge. I would know, i have one.
little known secret here:
you have not actually joined yet. when you get to boot camp you will have to take the oath again and its thats the one that counts.
also you think you are the first person who a recruter lied to? and really what bearing should that have as to wether or not you want to be in the military? next what did he lie to you about? what is your MOS (job) goin to be?
my advice is just suck it up and drive on. i spent 4 years as a tanker in the army and yes there were times that it sucked but i wouldnt trade it for nothin. i met some good freinds who 13 years later are still freinds. went to some greta partys and smoked the hell outa some greta buds and the hash in germany was premo
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Ok...Let me get this straight...you go into a recruitors office, sit down and have a little talk about your goals, and what the service can do for you. You also learn what is expected of you. Later, you come back and take a little physical, to make sure you can be whipped into shape. Later, you come back, and take a comprehensive IQ and skills test, to determine your education level, comprehention skills, motor skills...
So you get thru all of that. Then you go back in after your test has been scored, (which shows the service what jobs you qualify for) and you talk with the recruiter, and discuss the 3 job options you are offered. You choose a job that sounds most glamorous, and make a commitment. You freely signed.
You never mention the lie(s) told to you by the recruiter, but I seriously doubt the verasity of the remark. More likely selective listening and memory. This process takes days, if not weeks, and you had plenty of time to back-out before the contract was even slid in front of your face.
What happened...found a new girlfriend that hates the military, or just got scared of what might happen?
Stick with it...remember why you went into the recruiters station in the first place. It can be the best job you've ever had, if you let it. You're gonna love the AAFES station.
claiming an injury, should at least get your report date delayed
tell your recruiter you are limping from a torn groin muscle from street hockey
well my plan was to go to college and my recruiter told me a bunch of shit , but he also said that the army would pay for all my schooling , and that they would pay me 700 a month while im in college , but i told him that i cant do ait( 7 weeks training) because of fall semester is when im going to college so when im a full time student the army only pays me 195 a month , my recruiter didnt want to tell me that , he also said that ait will be 2 weeks long and that i can get 20,000 dollars right after boot camp. i dont get the 20,000 till after ait and a three year wait anniversary when i signed up. he also told me that i was not deployable , (which i am), and he also said that i could move to california easily ,( which i cant because i have to serve the ga national guard first , and my plan was to move to california for school. so im not going to support the gov. and the mil. i just dont want to do it , id rather be a stoner.
I was supposed to be getting on the bus for the last trip to Miami MEPS, the morning I decided not to go. Decided I didn't want to devote 8 years of my life (Navy - nuke program) to the military. (wouldn't give it 8 seconds now, if I'm honest) I just didn't get on that bus. Simple as that. Sure, they weren't happy.. but if I recall, it didn't show up as a Dishonorable. Not sure if that has changed, since this was back around the time of Desert Storm.
Just think.. if they hadn't taken so long on my flat-feet waiver, I'd have possibly gone in. They gave me too long to think about it. Oh well.. there's a lot of things in my life that I'd do over knowing and feeling what I do now, but staying off that bus isn't one of them.
wiat wait wait let me get this straight you joined the Nat'l guard. well first thing is anyone YOU know who is contemplating joining tell them one thing: tell the recruiter exactly what it will take to get them to join and GET IT IN WRITING WITH BOTH SIGNATURES!! now as for your situuation like i said earlier you are not officially in until you swear in at your first duty station (AIT) also the army no longer does boot camp then AIT its called OSUT now and he didnt lie about 2 weeks of AIT. youll do 2 weeks AIT after 5 weeks of basic training. when you told him you couldnt do AIT in the fall you should be able to contact the adjutant and get your AIT moved up to a summer AIT. that way you can do all 7 weeks in the summer. also you can go live wherever you want you just have to report to you unit once a month. your best bet now would be to contact a california recruiter explain th situation to him and see if he can help you. what you signed should have also stated WICH state you were signing up to sevre with. also contact another local recruiter and see what they can do.
you never did say what your MOS is i was a 19k, m-1 armour crewman and i had 14 weeks.
Firstly, I would feel conned if a recruiter had lied to me about joining up. It's that feeling of being conned, ripped off, misled. It's shit, if thats the true story, you've ever right to refuse to co-operate on that basis. Secondly I'd certainly refuse to work with an employee that bullshitted about my wage or contract. Simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by spazzoid06
Any contract simply can't be valid if it is either taken under duress or defined incorrectly by one of the people contracting the agreement. If your oath and signature signed is contractual then the recruiter having lied is in beach of that contract, it's a "promise" that can't be gone back on, for both sides - not just you , OK.
If the recruitment wasn't your official enstatement or contractually binding then you've not sworn in, then you are subject to no "contract".
That seems to me like a win, win , basis. Government, no government, military , civilian, it's still a crime or at least not a contract or a law binding agreement if someone has been lying or defining the agreement incorrectly. This usually includes misleading statements...
Anyway, I don't know the military as well as you `mil types`, but I do get democracy, rights & honour, something everyone should be paying attention to - it's what we are supposed to love best yaknow, and something our constitution was written to protect, by any means,
My 2 cents,
Peace,
Denial
i was 11b
thats what i thought infantry.Quote:
i was 11b
the only problem with this argument is i could TELL you that ill give you a million dollars an hour to sit on your ass and answer a phone but if it dont say that in writing and you sign said contract without reading it well you and i are bound to the signed contract no matter what i said prior. cause when you try to sue me for breech of contract i never said anything to the sort and you volantarily signed said contract, aint my fault you were never told to read something before you sign it.Quote:
Any contract simply can't be valid if it is either taken under duress or defined incorrectly by one of the people contracting the agreement. If your oath and signature signed is contractual then the recruiter having lied is in beach of that contract, it's a "promise" that can't be gone back on, for both sides - not just you , OK.
one other little tidbit of info you cannot join the california nat'l guard in geogia. what ever state you enlist in is the state you serve.
OK HERES HOW IT WORKS.... half these people havent ever enlisted for the military. i myself am currently an active duty sailor and when you go to meps and swear your oath, that first time, it doesnt count. when its time for you to go to bootcamp youll go to meps again, swear yourself in again and all that shit, then go to bootcamp. AND not to mention the only way you get a dishonerable discharge is if you commit like a felony or some shit. even if you pop on a drug test its an OTH not a dishonerable. just go talk to your recruiter and tell him you do not want to go. tell him you changed your mind and hes not changing it back. your technically not in the military yet so he cannot tell you what you can and cannot do. im not sure if someone has pointed this out yet because i didnt read all the posts. but my dad joined the navy and got out before he went to bootcamp. he did that first swear in and was waiting and changed his mind. all he did was jst tell the recruiter he didnt want to go, and he was out. it may be an OTH im not for sure, but i believe if you get that then you cant join again.
yeah i almost joined the nuke program but this dude workin in the navy office at meps was like welllllll we have to take another test for that... CHECK THIS OUT and he showed me a video for the SWCC program. so i signed up for that, then i figured well if im gonna do this, better go all the way and switched to SEALs... when i was in dep i took that PFA a few times and i didnt know how to do a sidestroke. started off going at about 15 minutes and then it was about a month before i was SUPPOSED to go to bootcamp. and i had my time down to 12 minutes 58 seconds. then the recruiter told me i was going a month early. they promised me one more shot at the PFA and i didnt get it. that swim was the only thing i couldnt pass, boy those recruiters will fuck you over hard if it will help them in any way. im still gonna try for seals though...
I hate the government dont join whatever you do.
I did 6 years in the Air Force and found out after the fact that through basic training you still have the right to opt out because you don't technically take the oath until you graduate basic so you can either do that or just don't do anything they tell you in basic and you'll get an administrative discharge. Nothing that will reflect badly on you since you technically aren't a part of the armed services yet.
If you won't serve your country, go run off to Canada like the 'Nam cowards did ... millions of people would risk anything to live in this great country :thumbsup: ... let me tip you off to something: you will be lied to throughout your life by many people, are you going to quit every job you get, whenever the boss lies to you ? ... grow up, life ain't fair ... you're only the spoiled little children of failed parents, who have no sense of responsibility ... good riddance :mad:
I tamed down a post in here.....lets keep it as civil as we can. :thumbsup:
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
IR...I don't hold it against my brothers that went to Canada...actually, they probably did the right thing, for themselves....Nam, was tough...not, for the faint of heart.Quote:
If you won't serve your country, go run off to Canada like the 'Nam cowards did