Can I beat randoms using this method??

I'm 6'3
265
Smoked say ~2 blunts a day for past 3 months

Facing weekly random drug testing, monitered of course. I cut back my smoking habit to something more reasonable say ~2-3x a week. my current regiment includes:

1000mg niacin a night ~2am (for yellow color in my urine)
on test days I find out around 6:50 am, and begin diluting with water and gatorade (first bottle of gatorade includes packet of pectin). When I test at ~9:15 The niacin keeps my urine vitamin yellow, I know that there is no evidence saying that it helps clean out a system any faster, I also know that pectin has also not been proven but neither of them can hurt right.

Basically I'm asking the experts here to evaluate my little process here and give educated opinions on the one major question, "Can I get away with smoking one a day if I keep using my method as stated above??"

court or rents?

courts, I know all about how I should stop smoking etc. but It's a lil difficult to break a habit I've had sine I was seventeen, I'm pushing 21 now sooo... I just called in I gotta take one today

ive been smokin since 14 and i ran in to some legal issues at 20, so i know man but once u faced with serious time u get ur shit together or get ur shit together in jail, im 21 in acouple days and about to be a med, if i kept on i would be in jail or possible prison,, is all mind set man

any way i wish u the best i hope u pass but think about ur priorities, one way ur in jail not smokin other ur free not smokein and a third u buy a fake dick and use some one elseâ??s urin witch is defiantly possibility- and id get on that quick, fourth u water down and try to cover and it may work but every time ive had "waterd down" urine i had to retake it, i know this isnt the advice ur lookin for but i dont want to see u end up doin big time for a past time

mis or felony charges? if u dont mind me askin

mis trespassing actually, not facing any jail time it's some kind of special probation where if i don't violate it never goes on my record

aa cool then man breakin even that po wouldnt be good but very small jail time if any, im dealing with a gro/felony caharge,,, well run acouple miles if u can and do all thos noicin and all that shit and try and pass or get one of thos fake dicks at a head shop stat that heats ur pee to the right temp and what not is my advice

sorry i couldn't help more and also about my rant earlier i just hate to see us put in jail/prison for our sweet sweet..

I feel you, mines really worse because my charge had nothing to do with drugs/alcohol and I ended up with 12months of weekly random breathlyzers and ua's good thing is no lab analysis though just a thc strip then I throw the sample out

tight man u should be fine then,,, funny thing is i havnt had a drug test since i first sall my po but im just not willing to risk month's in jail agin

weird how the law works huh

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Originally Posted by takeittothehead

try ten drops of visine to your pee or get to know sure-gel very good cause youll be drinking it....take half a pack of sure-gel then get a 20oz bottle of water then drink till it reaches the top of the label then mix sure-gel with water then drink then pee then go get your drug test done....youll pass it trust me

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And why should he trust you with that urban legend bullshit?

The guy is facing weekly observed randoms. He needs to quit for a year.

I was a 30 year chronic when I had to quit. It can be done, it's all in the head.

ha ha why don't you just stop smokin
then when you finally can smoke... make up for it :D
...easier said then done right

I considered stopin completly but I have enough time before evry test to dilute, I know that pectin isn't a magic solution nor is niacin but they both help with my dilutin. i was basically asking whats a reasonable amount of smoking before I make dilution anymore difficult.

you can pass by smoking 2 hits...
i know that i've done it twice ha ha
and their still drug testing me
... it's an invasion of privacy watching me pee and wipe my ass

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Originally Posted by Aqueminiaz

I'm 6'3
265
Smoked say ~2 blunts a day for past 3 months

Facing weekly random drug testing, monitered of course. I cut back my smoking habit to something more reasonable say ~2-3x a week. my current regiment includes:

1000mg niacin a night ~2am (for yellow color in my urine)
on test days I find out around 6:50 am, and begin diluting with water and gatorade (first bottle of gatorade includes packet of pectin). When I test at ~9:15 The niacin keeps my urine vitamin yellow, I know that there is no evidence saying that it helps clean out a system any faster, I also know that pectin has also not been proven but neither of them can hurt right.

Basically I'm asking the experts here to evaluate my little process here and give educated opinions on the one major question, "Can I get away with smoking one a day if I keep using my method as stated above??"

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Comparing your idea to the dilution thread leads me to believe that you will have little to no chance of success.

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Originally Posted by Jerry G

And why should he trust you with that urban legend bullshit?

The guy is facing weekly observed randoms. He needs to quit for a year.

I was a 30 year chronic when I had to quit. It can be done, it's all in the head.

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thank you very much but it worked for me when i had to go get a pee test for a job and i was on harder things then pot at the time..i used both the visine and sure-gel and i passed with flying colors....well thats good for you....quiting is good if you really want to...but go get a home drug test pee in the cup put ten drops of visine original in it then tell me you didnt pass it and ill call you a liar

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Originally Posted by Iguana

Comparing your idea to the dilution thread leads me to believe that you will have little to no chance of success.

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Care to explain why you think so? The only difference btw my method and the dilution thread is the addition of pectin, which can't hurt. Niacin wheter or not if has any other effects functions as my b vitamin to keep my pee yellow. why wouldn't my method work??

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Originally Posted by takeittothehead

thank you very much but it worked for me when i had to go get a pee test for a job and i was on harder things then pot at the time..i used both the visine and sure-gel and i passed with flying colors....well thats good for you....quiting is good if you really want to...but go get a home drug test pee in the cup put ten drops of visine original in it then tell me you didnt pass it and ill call you a liar

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Ok... This is urban legend bullshit... And because some Crap worked for you does NOT mean you should suggest your misled ideas to other people. These tests could land this man in jail and your going to tell him to put visine in his pee!??!?!?!? Seriously!? So if I ate some dog shit, then drank a bunch of water (diluting my pee) and passed a dinky little strip with no gravity checks, would you believe me? Would you go eat some dog shit? Because you used visine and passed a test does NOT mean that the visine made you pass. There are a million! other reasons why you could have passed. The pectin... just read the other posts, Im not gunna comment on that. Chances are what made you pass was the dilution from drinking all the water. Telling someone to use visine is shit and irresponsible. As for the niacin comment from the other post... take B-Complexes, Niacin is not what makes your pee yellow. Niacin is B3 and that is not the vitamin responsible for that. The argument behind Niacin working is that (and if your taking 1000mg's and not exploding with heat your not taking the right kind, must be Niacin, not Niacinamide, 250mgs lights me up like a torch) it opens your capillaries to a size greater than than normal allowing them to flush toxins faster. I have not confirmed this, and I dont think that the sticky on Niacin is exactly conclusive on that subject, I have read it several times, and I still have an inkling that it does have an effect, I really want FBR's opinion on that one. Also, taking niacin the night before your test is just a terrible idea. A great way to increase the amount of toxins you release from your fat Right before you test... yeah thats a good idea. I know its used in clinics in America sponsored by the front company for Scientology and has been used for many groups, such as the NYC firefighters who were exposed to debris from 9/11, Supposedly with success. Dont take niacin before your test!! unless of course your taking niacinamide, in which case its about as effective as taking St. John's Wart.

Another reason why you'll fail with that method. IF your pee is tested for specific gravity, which may be likely that it isn't, you will almost certainly fail. You must take into account your creatine, electrolytes, and etc. that differentiate your pee from some water.The pectin your taking is giving you some fiber, which is a plus, but I'd say that your best bet would be to take a multi-B vitamin complex instead of niacin, then follow N2's guide like a bible and throw in some metamucil every day if you must. It really doesn't hurt to take an extra shit every day so long as your not overdoing your fiber, better to keep that regular than to throw it in at the last second before your test every week. Be as thorough as you can, trouble with the law is sooooo not fun. If you Must smoke you better have your system down like a scientist, because its really not worth the repercussions to only smoke a little. If your gunna fail a test, it would suck to do it with 1 over your 50 limit, because you need one toke a day. Might as well fail it with 500 and have a story.

I support of pectin: http://www.tiaft2006.org/proceedings/pdf/DA-p-18.pdf

read it and comment. I am definatly taking niacin at 1000mg, the flush really isn't that bad to me just a little warmth and some itching, the niacin has a half-life of only around 48 minutes after oral ingestion, and being that it is taken around 8hrs before my test I am giving myself that much time(~7hrs before taking the pectin) to void myself of the additional toxins released by the niacin. Then before my test as i begin diluting I take the pectin to hold in any loose toxins, the color of my urine isn't normally yellow as I drink water and tea all day long, and as of yet I haven't been turned back because of a dilute sample.

The theory behind my method is that by taking niacin daily, I am hindering the ability of the thc metabolites to stay in my system for as long as they normally do, estentially pissing them out every night. The tea that i consume daily is a natural dierutic so I am going quite often, helping to rid myself of the metabolites. On days when I do test I take the pectin to capture any loose metabolites, while i freely piss out the diluted sample into the cup.

My whole question is that what is a reasonable rate of consumption where I wouldn't hurt my chances of passing with a properly diluted sample? Currently I've been just going all out for a day or two after my test, but I'd like to change to something more stable.

That looks like more of an ad for Intect 7 than any scientific study.

First of all, it looks like it is advocating adding a certo or sure jell solution to your urine and not taking it orally. It doesn't tell how many samples are used, there is no scientific method to the "study" as well as many other things are missing. The people that conduct the "study" seem to have no advanced degrees, the "study" also seems to be conducted by the maker of Intect 7 or sponsored by it which makes the "study" extremely biased.

Here is a much more informative thread about certo/sure jell/ pectin.

http://boards.cannabis.com/drug-test...ml#post1688511

Whoever was asking about the niacin, it is useless. Just because it does cause some dilation of capillaries doesn't mean squat. This has been a myth started by L Ron Hubbard about 50 years ago. Here I go again on this fool Hubbard. He had no medical training whatsoever, his followers burn people in bath tubs with hot water baths to drive demons out of people's heads, his only real talent seems to be starting a scam and calling it a religion. There is no correlation that dilating capilaries increases the rate at which your body removes THC metabolites or much of anything else. There is no cause an effect relationship between these two events. Niacin also has no effect on urine color.

ok well lets act like there is some validility to the "study", if pectin did work as an effective adulterant, I would be getting the same results from drinking it down as it will still be present in the sample that I provide, right?

i had read that thread before i started this thread, i can agree that there is no solid evidence pointing to any thing in my method as being effective in helping to beat a drug test, but
I can also say that I've been passing and I haven't really cut back smoking. Who's to say that just because something hasn't been conclusively proven, that it doesn't work?

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Originally Posted by Aqueminiaz

ok well lets act like there is some validility to the "study"

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Sorry when it comes to science, I am a scientist by nature and I go by facts not acting. What's the use in faking it when you want to know the truth or the correct answer?

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Originally Posted by Aqueminiaz

if pectin did work as an effective adulterant, I would be getting the same results from drinking it down as it will still be present in the sample that I provide, right?

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No you wouldn't. Do things go through your body unchanged? When was the last time you drank a Coke and your urine turned black?

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Originally Posted by Aqueminiaz

i had read that thread before i started this thread, i can agree that there is no solid evidence pointing to any thing in my method as being effective in helping to beat a drug test, but
I can also say that I've been passing and I haven't really cut back smoking. Who's to say that just because something hasn't been conclusively proven, that it doesn't work?

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As I said before, I am a scientist by nature and I either want things backed up with a solid study conducted on a large sample size with a statistically significant result without bias from the sponsor conducted by people who are competent with the scientific method. The scientific method is basically conducting an experiment in a certain way usually where only one varibale is changed, developing a hypothesis, and testing the hypothesis. The hypothesis that pectin forms a barrier around metabolites sounds like something you would see in science fiction.

You say this:

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Originally Posted by Aqueminiaz

Who's to say that just because something hasn't been conclusively proven, that it doesn't work?

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I say that just because 2 events occur doesn't mean that they are related it may be sheer coincidence. That's why you come up with a hypothesis based on research and fact and then test it. According to your reasoning then that's like saying "Well I ate a pizza today and I passed my test and it was because of the pizza. It is the job of whoever is making the claim to prove it. Besides, anyone with a lick of sense can tell you that pectin doesn't surround metabolites.

See I am pretty sure I make no claims in the thread I linked. I gave facts about soluble fiber and its role in THC elimination and then stated that pectin is soluble fruit fiber and basically formed a hypothesis but I haven't tested it yet, which I never claim to do. Everyone who reads that thread seems to appreciate the science contained in it and not the speculation that some posts have in them.

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Originally Posted by Aqueminiaz

I'm 6'3
265
Smoked say ~2 blunts a day for past 3 months

Facing weekly random drug testing, monitered of course. I cut back my smoking habit to something more reasonable say ~2-3x a week. my current regiment includes:

1000mg niacin a night ~2am (for yellow color in my urine)
on test days I find out around 6:50 am, and begin diluting with water and gatorade (first bottle of gatorade includes packet of pectin). When I test at ~9:15 The niacin keeps my urine vitamin yellow, I know that there is no evidence saying that it helps clean out a system any faster, I also know that pectin has also not been proven but neither of them can hurt right.

Basically I'm asking the experts here to evaluate my little process here and give educated opinions on the one major question, "Can I get away with smoking one a day if I keep using my method as stated above??"

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Ok Aque, explain this to me. You come on to this forum and ask for the advice of the "experts"... You even State that you Know that pectin hasnt been proven. (learn about fiber btw). Then, when given given the advice of the resident expert, FBR, someone you should be thanking for even posting on your Terrible "plan" thread you argue with him and try to pretend that there is a study proving pectin works? Many of your facts are ludicrously wrong (B3 makes your pee yellow) and prove your tiny amount of knowledge on the subject. I'd say take the advice of someone who has obviously done much more research than you and probably, maybe, perhaps even Thank him for it?? Otherwise you should title your thread How Not To Handle Probation, and not put it in the form of a question.

With this discusion about pectin, it seems as though adding pectin in some form (apples/supplements) could be helpful in decreasing the detoxing time, along with metamucil. I personally don't think it is a key factor just prior to a test.

never once did I critize his methods or bash his advice as anything but helpful. The niacin and pee yellow thing, my mistake i meant to include multi-vitamins in my list of things that I take as part of my system which do include the proper b vitamins to keep my urine the vitamin yellow.

As far as everything elso goes I haven't presented anything that I've said in other than in a sensible discussion mannor. that what discussion forums are for.

The "study" on pectin isn't even being examined as if it could possibly have any scientific value. I agree about the technicalities of the scietific method, and possible interference of bias. But there could be enough grounds for a causible link between the two being that in some way shape or form the presnce of pectin in a sample changed the results of test.

all that issue boils down to is wether or not there is a possibilty that it works. i think that there is a bit more evidence supporting pectin helping me to pass. than anything as random as saying a pizza helped.

Why not discuss the possiblities seeing as though we don't have a definitive answer either way. Ur correct that short of a proper experiment there won't be any proof, but at least we can present debatable support and evidences to come to a more studied point of view on the subject.