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Iraq War: Was it worth it?
This is the five-year anniversary of the start of the war in Iraq, and I was wondering what poeple thought about it. Was it worth it? It's certainly not over yet, even after 5 years, so it is too early to say for sure if it was worth it --- it will definitely cost more lives and money before it's over, and the outcome could be better or worse than it is today. But at this point what do you think?
If you vote in the poll, please post something about why you think what you do. Something like this:
I don't think the war was worth it.
This is what it cost:
- 4,000 Americans dead
- 30,000 Americans wounded
- 80,000 to 150,000 or more Iraqi's dead
- Uncounted Iraqi's wounded
- Millions of Iraqi refugees
- $600 billion to US taxpayers for the direct war costs, plus whatever the economic cost of damage to our economy, high price of gas, damage to Iraqi infrastructure. Estimates of total direct costs before the end are between 1.2 trillion and 2.7 trillion, depending on how long it goes and eventual outcome. Estimates of direct and indirect costs together are about 3 trillion.
- Loss of credibility, respect and standing in the world
- Alienation of allies
- Internal division within our own country
- Increase in number of terrorists worldwide due to hatred and resentment over the war
- Creation of Al Qaeda in Iraq
- Ongoing instability in Iraq
- Increased instability in greater Middle East
- Exhaustion and depletion of our military, meaning decreased readiness for other threats
Here is what it got us:
- Got rid of Saddam Hussein
I don't think it was a fair trade. If we knew five years ago that this is what we would get and how much it would cost, I doubt we would have gone in.
Because of political reasons, Bush can never admit that this fiasco was a horrible mistake and not worth it, but sometimes I wonder what he REALLY thinks. Does he honestly think it was worth it like he tells us? Or does he personally regret it, but have no way to say so?
In addition to this question of whether it was worth it, there are the millions of questions of WHY exactly are we there at all. Was it really WMD? Was it security? Was it to free the Iraqis? Was it oil? Was it to scare the Saudis into line? Is it part of a broader secret plan to dominate the region? Was it personal between Bush and Saddam? Was it a Neo-Con fantasy? And there are the questions of what should we do now. Should we continue the "surge?" Should we fully pull out immediately? Should we stay 100 years? Should we begin a phased withdrawal? Should we wait until the Iraqi government steps up and can stand on its own?
Those are interesting questions, but they have been well covered in a lot of different threads (and someone could certainly start one specifically devoted to those questions if they wanted to), but the purpose of this thread is to ask "was it worth it?" without getting into why we are there and what we do now.
So, was it worth it?
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Iraq War: Was it worth it?
Just the way I feel about it. And all of these were foreseeable. I really don't see why the war seemed like a good idea for anyone, except those who personally benefited from it.
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Iraq War: Was it worth it?
I think the war was started just to try to gain more power/influence in the middle east. It's the only thing that makes sense
The only reason we are still there though is to protect the oil in my opinion though. Our gov. couldnt give a rats ass about the Iraqis
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Iraq War: Was it worth it?
Hell yes it was worth it!
-We ousted an evil dictator and his two insane sons
-We created a place where it was easier to round up/or kill the bad guys
-We saved millions of Kurds/Shi-ites from genocide
-An enviroment was created where Muslims openly rejected Al-Quada
-We saved ourselves from a terrorist attack via Saddam
-We made the region MORE secure by ousting Saddam
-We made the region MORE secure by sending the trash to Allah
-We've gained respect with the people of that region by NOT running out on an obligation...cut an run would be considered a loss
-We've have been rebuilding a failing infrastructure left by a tyrant and expanding it's benifits to ALL Iraqis instead of a "special sector" therefore creating a new allie in the region
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Because of political reasons, Bush can never admit that this fiasco was a horrible mistake and not worth it, but sometimes I wonder what he REALLY thinks. Does he honestly think it was worth it like he tells us? Or does he personally regret it, but have no way to say so?
I honestly believe that he feels that he has done the right thing on this one.
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
In addition to this question of whether it was worth it, there are the millions of questions of WHY exactly are we there at all. Was it really WMD? Was it security?
Various reports stated that Saddam had WMDs...now I know that the usual place for a country to hide nuclear secrets is under a rose bush but hey, no excuses right? There were also reports of WMDs crossing the border into Syria. Like the 9-11 people would state, "PROVE that he didn't move the material". Also, security reports from Russia stated that Saddam had planned on hitting us like 9-11 not to mention the assassination attempt on Bush Sr. .
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Was it to free the Iraqis?
Another good reason considering that the Kurds/Shi-ites were being killed off for sport
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Was it oil?
ONLY if your Canadian.....
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Was it to scare the Saudis into line?
We showed the region exactly what we could do in little time...with these people we gained respect.
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Is it part of a broader secret plan to dominate the region? Was it personal between Bush and Saddam? Was it a Neo-Con fantasy?
ONLY in the minds of the blind Prison Planet followers.
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Should we continue the "surge?" Should we fully pull out immediately?
Pull out and let Iraq turn into a hell hole; we'll just be back in cleaning out the same areas with a higher risk to our troops. Once ya get into a big job it's easy to walk away...alot harder to finish it correctly.
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Should we stay 100 years?
IF the Iraqi government desires for us to have a base there, fine...if not, that's fine too. How many years have we been in Japan, Germany, etc.....?
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Should we begin a phased withdrawal? Should we wait until the Iraqi government steps up and can stand on its own?
DEFINATELY wait untill the Iraqi government and it's forces can stand on their own. Instead of millions in the region stating, "I told ya so, they'd run out on ya!", we'll gain all that much more respect across the entire region.
Have a good one!:s4:
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Although Saddam was an evil person he kept shit in check. His people and especially the Iranians. The Region definately is not more secure becasue we have created even more enemies. We cant say that it prevented attacks becasue there is no way to prove that. It would be extremely easy for anyone to attack the US with our wide opens borders. Its just fear promoted by the government.
The only people that have benefited from this war are the big businesses that are rebuilding Iraq. Look where the country is as the result of this war
But hopefully this does end well
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The difference between dragonrider and psycho's arguments is that, while dragonrider is stating the bad that has happened to our own country, psycho is stating the good that has happened for the iraqi's.
I don't think that it was worth the loss our country has suffered for something we really didnt have much business getting into in the first place.
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I consider the war in Iraq.....Nam II.
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McCain says we'll stay there for 100 years if thats what we have to do.
I think that pretty much says it all. Buy a shit load of more body bags for our soldiers. We're going to need them.
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Originally Posted by killerweed420
McCain says we'll stay there for 100 years if thats what we have to do.
I think that pretty much says it all. Buy a shit load of more body bags for our soldiers. We're going to need them.
He's simply telling the truth. We still have bases in Germany and were allies. If you think that Obama or Hilldog are magically going to pull forces out of Iraq all the sudden, I'll tell you that Bush will legalize marijuana. It's unrealistic to expect a major troop withdrawl in the next 5 years. You have to ensure the security situation is fully operational in Iraq. There many psychological barriers that have to be overcome before the US can leave so Iraq can be prosperous.
My opinion on the Iraq war is divided. One hand, I morally oppose it. We should not use conventional warfare as a tool to ensure economic security, rather engaging in social responsiblity while maximizing the US economic potential. With the economic pressure from India, China, Russia and the EU, it's necessary for the US to maintain it's superpower status and securing oil and a new place to invest, the perfect opportunity came up with a dictator that should be gotten rid of anyway. In the long-run, it'll be the first step of bringing a normalized, prosperous middle east. It should not be given up, why throw away an entire investment on a war before it pays off? The damage has been done.
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Iraq War: Was it worth it?
Here is a benchmark after a day of polling:
2 say "Yes, the war it was worth it" (15.38%)
11 say "No, the war was not worth it" (84.62%)
With this very small sample of canncom respondents, the results show less support than a CBS poll found among Americans in general: Poll: Most Americans Say War Not Worth It, 64 Percent Say Results Of War Not Worth American Lives Lost - CBS News
According to that CBS poll, 29% think it was worth it, and 64% think not. This is actually up form March 2006, when only one in four Americans said the war was worth the costs --- that was surprising to me.
Anyway, I hope a few more canncom members chime in on this important question.
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Originally Posted by Dutch Pimp
I consider the war in Iraq.....Nam II.
the same could be said about Korea, WW2 and WW1
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Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
the same could be said about Korea, WW2 and WW1
actually...you can't compare Iraq/Afghanistan to any other war yet.....the game is still in progress.
Wait for the final score.
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Here is a benchmark after a day of polling:
2 say "Yes, the war it was worth it" (15.38%)
11 say "No, the war was not worth it" (84.62%)
With this very small sample of canncom respondents, the results show less support than a CBS poll found among Americans in general:
Poll: Most Americans Say War Not Worth It, 64 Percent Say Results Of War Not Worth American Lives Lost - CBS News
According to that CBS poll, 29% think it was worth it, and 64% think not. This is actually up form March 2006, when only one in four Americans said the war was worth the costs --- that was surprising to me.
Anyway, I hope a few more canncom members chime in on this important question.
Another benchmark:
2 say "Yes, the war it was worth it" (11.76%)
15 say "No, the war was not worth it" (88.24%)
Oh, no! Support is slipping!
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Iraq War: Was it worth it?
Using MY tax dollars to blow up, then rebuild bridges in Iraq, when bridges in my own country are falling apart?? Fuck Iraq, they wouldn't lift a finger to help us for one second. This war will never be worth it, not even in a hundred years of continued fighting. Tell the young boys and girls who will never see their mothers or fathers again that it was worth it. Tell the hundreds and possibly thousands of Iraqi citizens whose family members have been mistakenly killed by soldiers because they looked suspicious that it was worth it.
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Iraq War: Was it worth it?
well well well,
i for one feal that the war was not worth it. no matter what kinda leader sadam was be he evil and cruel or an outright murderer there was stability of some sort or nother in the middle east. now we are stuck in a quagmire that we can not leave until somekind of stability is acheived. even if sadam was killing kurds and shi,ite the fact is that iraq had a military that could hold its own against its neighbors and could prvably have held out against any military in the world had they a leader that would have wanted to. i am a veteran of desert storm and it was sadam himself that made that conflict such a cake walk for us. his soldiers were surrendering to us in droves. why? simple if you dont keep your troops supplied they will surrender to the compasianate americans who will feed and cloth them. some of his troops hadnt eatin in days. they were malnourished and had no more will to fight. but had he kept them supplied and theyre moral high we would have had a serios fight on our hands. these guys have been at war for decades and were dug in deeper than " a tick on an alabama coon dogs ass".
now they have no defense and if we up and leave they will be open to invasion from any one of theyre neighbors. and that could have devastating effects on america. so no it was not worth it.
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Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
the same could be said about Korea, WW2 and WW1
Not really.
Korea resulted in no gain for anyone and is the only one that is comparative to Vietnam.
WW I and II had a decisive conclusion in that they did have one clear enemy who was defeated.
Iraq has no clear enemies as it is impossible to choose one side over the other, I'm not talking America and it's allies against insurgents , I am talking about the fact that the Iraqis have been fighting each other for decades. We have caused instability in a region renowned for it's tribalism.
We supported Saddam when he was fighting Iran .
The cost in allied and Iraqi lives is simply not worth it.
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this war was just one more way to put fear into americans who fail to think for themselfs. they need fear to controll us. but they definately take advantage of that. its just one more way the federal reserves use to get more money and screw the rest of us over.
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Operation Iraqi Freedom, IMO was worth it and will prove itself as such further down the road... for those of you that say the loss of American lives wasn't worth it I would ask you to put the numbers next to any other previous major war and compare them, I am not trying too make light of the fact that good American Men and Women are dying in Iraq I am just stating that we are in a war in which very few have died when compared to the past.. for those of you that say we need to pull out of Iraq, I ask, should we have pulled out of Berlin after WW2? the answer is NO. If we leave we simply create a void in which extremism will take hold ultimately endangering Israel if not America.. so yes I support McCain's statement that we will be there 100 years if need be.. we have been in Germany for 60+ years and will most likely remain there for another 60.. .
and for the record if the war was about OIL than it wouldn't cost me $75.00 to fill my tank with regular unleaded.....:stoned:
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Originally Posted by ldg420
and for the record if the war was about OIL than it wouldn't cost me $75.00 to fill my tank with regular unleaded.....:stoned:
If you run an oil company would you price your product as cheaply as possible or as high as possible ?
Monopolising control over any product allows you to name your price.
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Originally Posted by ldg420
and for the record if the war was about OIL than it wouldn't cost me $75.00 to fill my tank with regular unleaded.....:stoned:
If the war was about oil, it was not necesarily about getting YOU cheap gas.
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I am with Ron Paul on foreign alliances.
We should have trade but not entangling alliances.
This war was fought for oil, When they started it they called it
Operation Iraqi Liberation (OIL)
we were taken to war by a DICK, a BUSH, and a COLON!
With names like that they shouldn't have nbeen hunting weapons of mass destruction, they should've been hunting weapons of massturbation! Dick Cheney is the "mastermind" behind 911, they orchestrated 911 so they would have a reason to invade Iraq. George W and his pal Rumsfeld are co-conspirators. hell every member of the "Project for a New American Century" should be charged with TREASON and MURDER!!! IMHO
We go to war for oil and what do we get? $5 a gallon gas and deeper in debt.
WE DON"T NEED OIL!!!
I have been running my car on water for 2 years (til the tranny died)
we could all be driving with water fuel if the oil companies were not so powerful.
I say let's all vote for Ron Paul!!!!
Rev. Roland A. Duby
Brothers For Mercy
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Iraq War: Was it worth it?
I voted no.. but if the wars end up bankrupting the government and fostering a little "regime change" at home from the fallout, I'd think about changing my vote to yes. What we get will likely be as corrupt as what we have, but it should at least get rid of some of the "dead wood".. like most of the Federal government.
Aww hell, why not. I'll change my vote right now to yes, if I can.. I'll support any war I don't have to fight. Blood makes the grass grow.
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Iraq War: Was it worth it?
There are wars worth fighting......this was NOT one of them. It was a tragedy from day one. Apart from the tremendous loss of life when you include Iraqi lives....YES THEY DO COUNT, this effort has gone a long way towards further destabalizing an already unstable part of the world. Bush was dishonest to us and maybe himself about why we went it there in the first place. I feel for our troops and the families of those who go over there to serve.....I just wish it weren't for nothing. Thanks Mr. Bush for being the WORST president of at least my lifetime.....the sad thing to think about is the fact that he was elected.....TWICE!!!
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The Iraq War is a $3,000,000,000,000 USD failure. Whoever thinks that their tax money was well spend must be blind and deaf. I would hate to be paying taxes knowing it's all going to waste, when America is already filled with enough domestic problems that haven't even begun to be solved.
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Originally Posted by samostalan
The Iraq War is a $3,000,000,000,000 USD failure. Whoever thinks that their tax money was well spend must be blind and deaf. I would hate to be paying taxes knowing it's all going to waste, when America is already filled with enough domestic problems that haven't even begun to be solved.
What about all of the US taxpayer money that is going to feed, clothe, house, take care of medical needs, and social security of
13 million illegals in the US??
How much of our taxes are going to support them??
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Hell yes it was worth it!
-We ousted an evil dictator and his two insane sons
-We created a place where it was easier to round up/or kill the bad guys
-We saved millions of Kurds/Shi-ites from genocide
-An enviroment was created where Muslims openly rejected Al-Quada
-We saved ourselves from a terrorist attack via Saddam
-We made the region MORE secure by ousting Saddam
-We made the region MORE secure by sending the trash to Allah
-We've gained respect with the people of that region by NOT running out on an obligation...cut an run would be considered a loss
-We've have been rebuilding a failing infrastructure left by a tyrant and expanding it's benifits to ALL Iraqis instead of a "special sector" therefore creating a new allie in the region
I honestly believe that he feels that he has done the right thing on this one.
Various reports stated that Saddam had WMDs...now I know that the usual place for a country to hide nuclear secrets is under a rose bush but hey, no excuses right? There were also reports of WMDs crossing the border into Syria. Like the 9-11 people would state, "PROVE that he didn't move the material". Also, security reports from Russia stated that Saddam had planned on hitting us like 9-11 not to mention the assassination attempt on Bush Sr. .
Another good reason considering that the Kurds/Shi-ites were being killed off for sport
ONLY if your Canadian.....
We showed the region exactly what we could do in little time...with these people we gained respect.
ONLY in the minds of the blind Prison Planet followers.
Pull out and let Iraq turn into a hell hole; we'll just be back in cleaning out the same areas with a higher risk to our troops. Once ya get into a big job it's easy to walk away...alot harder to finish it correctly.
IF the Iraqi government desires for us to have a base there, fine...if not, that's fine too. How many years have we been in Japan, Germany, etc.....?
DEFINATELY wait untill the Iraqi government and it's forces can stand on their own. Instead of millions in the region stating, "I told ya so, they'd run out on ya!", we'll gain all that much more respect across the entire region.
Have a good one!:s4:
I had no Idea that you were this delusional. You are guzzling the koolaid my brother. Step outside the box, take off those rose colored glasses, watch something besides Faux Noise, and live a little. BTW are we rich yet. I'm thinking I'll be lucky to get my original investment back. Are you a golf buddie of Cheneys, what's he shoot anyway? I've got it. you own Haliburton stock, damn, I wish I'd of thought of that. Anyway, piece and luck to ya. Hopefully Obama can straighten this crap out.
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Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
What about all of the US taxpayer money that is going to feed, clothe, house, take care of medical needs, and social security of
13 million illegals in the US??
How much of our taxes are going to support them??
And this has what to do with Iraq ?
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Originally Posted by medicinal
Hopefully Obama can straighten this crap out.
LOL, Obama can't roll a bowling ball straight... much less straighten out the problems of an ailing America. No experience, no original ideas, no accomplishments to his credit. He's a good speaker, that's it. Saddam was a good speaker, but he was also a power hungry and bigoted twat.
Even IF Obama squeezes his way into the WH, he's not going to be allowed to cut & run as expediently as he thinks he will. This war is going to continue for a while yet, even if a Democrat happens to make the final cut.
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Get over it, whats done is done. Ill expect you to figure out ways to pin this on Bush once he is out of the White House, after all he is so sneaky we must try and stop him from carrying out such an evil plan:stoned:
If you must punish I say the question was loaded and bound to cause problems. Isnt it just as bad to start the war, no pun intended
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
This is the five-year anniversary of the start of the war in Iraq, and I was wondering what poeple thought about it. Was it worth it? It's certainly not over yet, even after 5 years, so it is too early to say for sure if it was worth it --- it will definitely cost more lives and money before it's over, and the outcome could be better or worse than it is today. But at this point what do you think?
If you vote in the poll, please post something about why you think what you do. Something like this:
I don't think the war was worth it.
[B]This is what it cost:
- 4,000 Americans dead
- 30,000 Americans wounded
- 80,000 to 150,000 or more Iraqi's dead
- Uncounted Iraqi's wounded
- Millions of Iraqi refugees
- $600 billion to US taxpayers for the direct war costs, plus whatever the economic cost of damage to our economy, high price of gas, damage to Iraqi infrastructure. Estimates of total direct costs before the end are between 1.2 trillion and 2.7 trillion, depending on how long it goes and eventual outcome. Estimates of direct and indirect costs together are about 3 trillion.
- Loss of credibility, respect and standing in the world
- Alienation of allies
- Internal division within our own country
- Increase in number of terrorists worldwide due to hatred and resentment over the war
- Creation of Al Qaeda in Iraq
- Ongoing instability in Iraq
- Increased instability in greater Middle East
- Exhaustion and depletion of our military, meaning decreased readiness for other threats[/B]
Here is what it got us:
- Got rid of Saddam Hussein
I don't think it was a fair trade. If we knew five years ago that this is what we would get and how much it would cost, I doubt we would have gone in.
Because of political reasons, Bush can never admit that this fiasco was a horrible mistake and not worth it, but sometimes I wonder what he REALLY thinks. Does he honestly think it was worth it like he tells us? Or does he personally regret it, but have no way to say so?
In addition to this question of whether it was worth it, there are the millions of questions of WHY exactly are we there at all. Was it really WMD? Was it security? Was it to free the Iraqis? Was it oil? Was it to scare the Saudis into line? Is it part of a broader secret plan to dominate the region? Was it personal between Bush and Saddam? Was it a Neo-Con fantasy? And there are the questions of what should we do now. Should we continue the "surge?" Should we fully pull out immediately? Should we stay 100 years? Should we begin a phased withdrawal? Should we wait until the Iraqi government steps up and can stand on its own?
Those are interesting questions, but they have been well covered in a lot of different threads (and someone could certainly start one specifically devoted to those questions if they wanted to), but the purpose of this thread is to ask "was it worth it?" without getting into why we are there and what we do now.
So, was it worth it?
Was it fuck worth it..
It aint done shit apart from KILLING THOUSANDS of INNOCENT PEOPLE ...
Fuck bush and fuck the war...:mad:
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Hey Dragon.:)
You know what I think.:jointsmile:
P4B pretty much covered everything well as usual right on
point! Yeah what he said:D
I think that they should put that question on an Iraqi Ballot just to see what they think. Anyone care to speculate and put yourself in an Iraqi's shoes and tell me the answer.
I will leave it at that I guess, I would love to rip into some of these posters though, but instead I will go use my relaxation method of hanging upside down blindfolded from my pull up bar and see how fast I can take my gun apart and then get it back together. Peace hippies!:jointsmile:
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lol just saw this thread for the first time as I'm writing my research paper on the Iraq war. But to answer your question hell no i dont think it was worth it.
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4,000 Americans dead
30,000 Americans wounded
80,000 to 150,000 or more Iraqi's dead
Uncounted Iraqi's wounded
Millions of Iraqi refugees
$600 billion to US taxpayers for the direct war costs, plus whatever the economic cost of damage to our economy, high price of gas, damage to Iraqi infrastructure. Estimates of total direct costs before the end are between 1.2 trillion and 2.7 trillion, depending on how long it goes and eventual outcome. Estimates of direct and indirect costs together are about 3 trillion.
Loss of credibility, respect and standing in the world
Alienation of allies
Internal division within our own country
Increase in number of terrorists worldwide due to hatred and resentment over the war
Creation of Al Qaeda in Iraq
Ongoing instability in Iraq
Increased instability in greater Middle East
Exhaustion and depletion of our military, meaning decreased readiness for other threats[/B]
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-We ousted an evil dictator and his two insane sons
Agreed.
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-We created a place where it was easier to round up/or kill the bad guys
You mean where badguys could congregate in a destabalized region, step up the recruitment, and kill hundreds of thousands of people? Seems the bad guys have accomplished more slaughter than ever.
Not to mention, every "insurgent" who fought America isn't a "bad guy" by default. Some of these fighters are Iraqi patriots that a) want to protect their homeland from a foreign invader, and b) want vengeance for the death of their family/friends via American bombs, and otherwise wouldn't have fought America in the first place.
I love how folk think that creating enemies then killing them, is "routing out the terrorists".
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-We saved millions of Kurds/Shi-ites from genocide
Was Saddam about to implement a mass genocide? Honestly, I can't say because I don't know, but I'd never heard of this. Killing Kurds almost 20 years ago does't count as a current genocide btw.
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-An enviroment was created where Muslims openly rejected Al-Quada
Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden were bitter enemies. Saddam was a tyrant, I'm sure arguments could be made for his own potential terrorist activities, but Saddam and AlQaeda were on very unfriendly terms. You may recall Osama Bin Laden publicly calling Saddam a "bad Muslim".
Of course what Saddam did do was manage a stable, strong enough nation to be a constant threat at Iran's doorstep. Iran couldn't afford to weaken itself with a US conflict with Saddam ready to jump in and invade at any chance. How does "planting the seeds of democracy" around Iran undermine it again? Seems that a brutal dictator as a hostile enemy was a bigger threat and balancing force than some democracy held together with duct tape.
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-We saved ourselves from a terrorist attack via Saddam
LOL, being in the middle east doesn't make him a terrorist threat by default. Syria, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Egypt, Pakistan, Afghanistan, ALL bigger and more legitimate terrorist threats than Iraq.
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-We made the region MORE secure by ousting Saddam
How is hundreds of thousands of dead people, 4,000 dead Americans, millions displaced, increased AlQaeda recruitment, and money spent in the trillions being more secure?
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-We made the region MORE secure by sending the trash to Allah
Not even sure what that means... :wtf:
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-We've gained respect with the people of that region by NOT running out on an obligation...cut an run would be considered a loss
Agreed. I don't know about overal respect gained (I doubt it), but cutting and running, leaving the mess to them and millions of people to the mercy of gangsters and terrorists, is disgracefull and downright cruel/selfish.
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-We've been rebuilding a failing infrastructure left by a tyrant and expanding it's benifits to ALL Iraqis instead of a "special sector" therefore creating a new allie in the region
Infrastructure such as electricity, plumping, housing and the such, has still yet to reach pre-invasion levels last I heard. I wonder if every person who's home was destroyed will be fully compensated.
And hey, here's food for thought: Imagine if all those resources put into Iraq were being kept in the Afghan war. Consider that there are about 60,000 troops in Afghanistan, and the generals are calling for another 60,000 to be able to fully stabalize the region. An untouched Iraq could have had us won against the Taliban by now! Not that we should be focusing on real threats or anything...
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Great post Gandalf:jointsmile:
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Y'all should watch "No End In Sight." Really opened up my eyes and put a lot of things into perspective for me. Mind blowing actually. America is indeed in a shitload of trouble.
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Iraq War: Was it worth it?
blah blah blah good or bad were past that from what ive read most of the people on here are poorly educated, the war is why economy is bad ha ha ha and its bush's fault LOL
i have studied war and we cant leave not until iraq can stand on its own and for the most part i agree with psycho although i would like to add some things. if saddams son came to power it would have been bad for the world.
and the economy oh gosh look in the mirror especially if you were a first time home buyer and got foreclosed you dumb ass motherfucker you probly vote on tax laws too. we are at an all time low because close to 80% of americans dont understand BASIC ECONOMICS (house of rep metting on c-span). exhibited by the high foreclosure rate americns dont know the differance in rates and how to calculate them and how it effects their monies its easy you never buy a stock when its at an all time high. why a house. just wait until the market levels out and all the people who bought and could afford it are in debt forever cause there into there house more than it will be worth in ten years. and im getting richer. mad at oil buy oil stock get paid from it.
read two books the art of war, the prince, and the ten books of titus levythen we'll discuss whether iraq was good idea when you get a basic understanding and stop thinking with feelings people die every day i grew out of the inner city where i saw a war but a different war but the rules still applied. in ways iraq is not much different than SouthCentral.
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Iraq War: Was it worth it?
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Originally Posted by phatsesh101
blah blah blah good or bad were past that from what ive read most of the people on here are poorly educated, the war is why economy is bad ha ha ha and its bush's fault LOL
i have studied war and we cant leave not until iraq can stand on its own and for the most part i agree with psycho although i would like to add some things. if saddams son came to power it would have been bad for the world.
and the economy oh gosh look in the mirror especially if you were a first time home buyer and got foreclosed you dumb ass motherfucker you probly vote on tax laws too. we are at an all time low because close to 80% of americans dont understand BASIC ECONOMICS (house of rep metting on c-span). exhibited by the high foreclosure rate americns dont know the differance in rates and how to calculate them and how it effects their monies its easy you never buy a stock when its at an all time high. why a house. just wait until the market levels out and all the people who bought and could afford it are in debt forever cause there into there house more than it will be worth in ten years. and im getting richer. mad at oil buy oil stock get paid from it.
read two books the art of war, the prince, and the ten books of titus levythen we'll discuss whether iraq was good idea when you get a basic understanding and stop thinking with feelings people die every day i grew out of the inner city where i saw a war but a different war but the rules still applied. in ways iraq is not much different than SouthCentral.
Please don't refer to most people here as uneducated. Speak for yourself.:wtf:
On another note, I've read all three of the books you're referring to, although I'm assuming "titus levythen" is referring to "Leviathan" by Thomas Hobbes? If not and it's really "titus levythen"..then I haven't read that..never heard of it.
But I've read everything you speak of and I still don't understand your argument...
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Iraq War: Was it worth it?
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Originally Posted by phatsesh101
blah blah blah good or bad were past that from what ive read most of the people on here are poorly educated, the war is why economy is bad ha ha ha and its bush's fault LOL
i have studied war and we cant leave not until iraq can stand on its own and for the most part i agree with psycho although i would like to add some things. if saddams son came to power it would have been bad for the world.
and the economy oh gosh look in the mirror especially if you were a first time home buyer and got foreclosed you dumb ass motherfucker you probly vote on tax laws too. we are at an all time low because close to 80% of americans dont understand BASIC ECONOMICS (house of rep metting on c-span). exhibited by the high foreclosure rate americns dont know the differance in rates and how to calculate them and how it effects their monies its easy you never buy a stock when its at an all time high. why a house. just wait until the market levels out and all the people who bought and could afford it are in debt forever cause there into there house more than it will be worth in ten years. and im getting richer. mad at oil buy oil stock get paid from it.
read two books the art of war, the prince, and the ten books of titus levythen we'll discuss whether iraq was good idea when you get a basic understanding and stop thinking with feelings people die every day i grew out of the inner city where i saw a war but a different war but the rules still applied. in ways iraq is not much different than SouthCentral.
I would like you to explain how the war has benefited America or Iraq ?
As for those who disagree with you being uneducated could you enlighten us to your own level of education, judging by the amount of errors in your post I am guessing you struggled with highschool.
I also find your use of expletives detracts from your pretentions of being of reasonably high intelligence , an intelligent person refrains from being offensive.
I have a very good understanding of economics and America is in trouble for a number of reasons , the war in Iraq has certainly not helped the US but other factors have played a part.
The shift in economic power to Asia and eastern Europe is based on simple mathematics.
Cheap labour coupled with plenty of raw materials and the technology advancements of recent years have given China the upperhand. The Russians are also profiting from Chinas increased need for energy.
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Iraq War: Was it worth it?
hmmm, well my uneducated ass own many copies of the art of war, including the poem style original..Robert Greene, 48 laws of power, and Machiavelli....NOW, what the hell do those books have to do with this Iraq war anyway? i guess its a COINCIDENCE that the bushs own texas oil co. too?...the OVER $500 billion we have spent over there didnt hurt our economy....nah....or the $4 gal gas....
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people are just now getting stupid right? they don't understand rates...is this new? Why hasn't it been an issue before? Basic Economics just now started confusing people I guess
but hey, I am so glad I am uneducated...I should get my ass back to the herd, and follow everone else.....:wtf:
whiskeytango
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Iraq War: Was it worth it?
I question the intelligence of anyone who doesn't know the difference between they're, thier and there.
I would also like to point out that the names of people and countries always start with a capital letter and "I" is always upper case too.
Don't you just love it when someone criticises others and then goes on to show thier own ignorance.
