I don't believe you

I've been reading the politics forums a lot lately, and I've only managed to come to one, real, legitimate conclusion: everyone is a liar. Absolutely, positively, completely, everyone. Someone starts a thread to bash Bush, or liberals, or Obama, or conservatives, or McCain, or Clinton. Claims are spewed. Links are posted. Proof is given. Upon reading this, more links and proof are immediately posted that prove the absolute opposite thing. There's not even slightly a point to reading anything anymore, because no one is right. What's the point in arguing if everyone is right and wrong at the same time? If I wanted, I could come up with a crappy counter argument for every thread in this forum. I've officially stopped believing anything anyone says, because I know in ten minutes someone will "disprove" it with more crap. I don't know who to believe anymore, so I just won't believe anyone anymore. We're all wrong, whether we like it or not.

There is two sides to every story

Thats exactly the problem fishman, there's two sides and neither of them is right, it seems to me...

Well, usually in politics one party isn't 100% right. It takes a mixture of two or three parties to get a good run.

But what do you expect in the political section? Hugs and confetti? It's a warzone. It's a subject people really feel strongly about. I like to call it 'the lion pit". It's all in good fun though.

Truth is the recognition of reality; reason, man's only means of knowledge, is his only standard of truth.

Sonds like somebody needs to get laid. :jointsmile:

Where would politics be without debate?

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Politician #1: "Don't ever question my ethics, because I'm never wrong."

Politician #2: "Yeah, you're probably right..."

The end.

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I could see this getting monotonous REAL fast. I agree 100% with Reb, things can get pretty hectic with so many opinions being thrown around, but it's all in good fun.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Sonds like somebody needs to get laid. :jointsmile:

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Agreed 100%

And it's not even that there's two sides to a debate, its just that no one wins. ever. Even if you win a debate, chances are you're an asshole who knows how to yell louder than the other person.

The point isn't to "win".

It's to teach your opponent your side of the debate and maybe, just maybe they'll see the light.

I disagree.
You're totally wrong.
Here's a link proving it.
:pimp:

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Originally Posted by psteve

I disagree.
You're totally wrong.
Here's a link proving it.
:pimp:

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LMAO!

I enjoy the debate, and I will be the first to admit I am not right 100% of the time. I have been wrong before. I remember the last time I was wrong. It was in 1982. It was July 16th at 7:32 in the morning and I am sure the early hour had something to do with the mistake.

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

I enjoy the debate, and I will be the first to admit I am not right 100% of the time. I have been wrong before. I remember the last time I was wrong. It was in 1982. It was July 16th at 7:32 in the morning and I am sure the early hour had something to do with the mistake.

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Wow!! That's exactly the last time I was right =):rastasmoke:

rather than not believeing anything people say, just believe what you say

The only time I was ever wrong was one time when I thought I was wrong.

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Originally Posted by medicinal

The only time I was ever wrong was one time when I thought I was wrong.

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It's not wrong admiting your prior weakness? Sets a precident that's hard to shake, lol. :jointsmile:

As Lou Reed once said, believe half of what you see, none of what you hear.

The truth is no one KNOWS 100% of the time what is the right thing to do, especially in politics. Some may think they do, but they don't, at least not all the time. And the ones who think so the most, and come at problems from pure ideology, are the ones most likely to be wrong.

So you get this back and forth of people coming at the some problems from different points of view, and that is why there is disagreement, and that is why you can have "evidence" and "proof" to support contradictory opinions.

The debate and argument is what makes democracy work. As long as different parties can come at a problem with an open mind and listen to the other opinions, usually the group will come to a semi-reasonable decision.

If we all just knew what the right thing to do was, and we all just agreed about everything, then there would be no need for debate, but that is not the way things work. You need to accept that there are many sides to any issue, listen to what other people think, think about it yourself, and decide for yourself.

disagreement is probably the only reason i am alive.
there are ALOT of stupid ass, inconsiderate, moronic dip shits out there, and if i agreed with them...well i think i would have killed myself maaaany moons ago.

without dissension...we are all robots(or Clinton supporters)