Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
For a party that loves to hate the Clintons, Republican voters have cast an awful lot of ballots lately for Senator Hillary Clinton: About 100,000 GOP loyalists voted for her in Ohio, 119,000 in Texas, and about 38,000 in Mississippi, exit polls show.
A sudden change of heart? Hardly.
Since Senator John McCain effectively sewed up the GOP nomination last month, Republicans have begun participating in Democratic primaries specifically to vote for Clinton, a tactic that some voters and local Republican activists think will help their party in November. With every delegate important in the tight Democratic race, this trend could help shape the outcome if it continues in the remaining Democratic primaries open to all voters.
Spurred by conservative talk radio, GOP voters who say they would never back Clinton in a general election are voting for her now for strategic reasons: Some want to prolong her bitter nomination battle with Barack Obama, others believe she would be easier to beat than Obama in the fall, or they simply want to register objections to Obama.
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP - The Boston Globe
Hell yeah, divide and conquer.:D
Have a good one!:s4:
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
Gaming the opposing party's primary by crossing over and voting for who you think will be the weaker opponent is an example of what is wrong with American politics. This partisan extremism in which people feel it is more important for their own party to WIN than it is to do what is right for the country is going to ruin us. If a person really thinks that Clinton would make a bad president but votes for her "strategically" becasue they think she will be easier to beat, then that person is putting their parties chances of winning ahead of the country's best interests, at least in their own mind.
We wonder why politicians can't reach across the aisle and get something done --- it's because of this same mentality. Everyone has bought in to the idea that it is more important for their party to WIN than it is to do what is right for the country.
People used to blame politicians for "dirty tricks," but now we get a quarter million or so Republican voters participating in the dirty tricks. It's sad.
I think Republicans are so disappointed with their own candidate, that they are now resorting to this kind of tactic out of desperation and fear. They know McCain can't win on his own merits, so they are trying to interfere with the Democratic primary.
It would be one thing if Republicans were voting in the Democratic primary and picking the Democrat they thought would be the best. I can understand a person wanting as many good choices as possible on the ballot. But it's really pathetic that they think their own candidate is so weak that they would try to create a "lesser of two evils" election rather than just vote for the best people available. The fact is that the next president will be a Democrat, so they should be thinking about who they really want.
I support Obama over Clinton, but imagine if these Republicans do succeed in putting her over the top, and she wins the general election too. I'd love to see Rush and the rest of these "strategic" voters have to suck on it for the next four years --- THEY voted for her.
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
We wonder why politicians can't reach across the aisle and get something done --- it's because of this same mentality. Everyone has bought in to the idea that it is more important for their party to WIN than it is to do what is right for the country.
In some view points that's one in the same.
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
People used to blame politicians for "dirty tricks," but now we get a quarter million or so Republican voters participating in the dirty tricks. It's sad.
I think Republicans are so disappointed with their own candidate, that they are now resorting to this kind of tactic out of desperation and fear. They know McCain can't win on his own merits, so they are trying to interfere with the Democratic primary.
I was disappointed with ALL the candidates. Just that I feel McCain is the lesser of the three evils we have left.....like others do.
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
It would be one thing if Republicans were voting in the Democratic primary and picking the Democrat they thought would be the best. I can understand a person wanting as many good choices as possible on the ballot. But it's really pathetic that they think their own candidate is so weak that they would try to create a "lesser of two evils" election rather than just vote for the best people available. The fact is that the next president will be a Democrat, so they should be thinking about who they really want.
LOL...the way things are going that Democrat for President wish isn't going to happen. I can see Hillary supporters split on McCain and Obama and I can also see Obama supporters either doing the same or staying at home. Notice how McCains numbers are rising in regards to the general election?
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
It would be one thing if Republicans were voting in the Democratic primary and picking the Democrat they thought would be the best. I can understand a person wanting as many good choices as possible on the ballot. But it's really pathetic that they think their own candidate is so weak that they would try to create a "lesser of two evils" election rather than just vote for the best people available. The fact is that the next president will be a Democrat, so they should be thinking about who they really want.
I support Obama over Clinton, but imagine if these Republicans do succeed in putting her over the top, and she wins the general election too. I'd love to see Rush and the rest of these "strategic" voters have to suck on it for the next four years --- THEY voted for her.
I CANNOT understand how you could support Obama with everything that's out there on the dude but hey, your choice. As for a Clinton presidency.....NEVER happen! Come November, the LAST thing people are going to want to vote for is either a Clinton or a Bush.
Have a good one!:s4:
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
In some view points that's one in the same.
Winning at any cost, or denying the other side a victory at any cost, is not always in the country's best interest. There are so many examples of one party obstructing the other on things that everyone agrees should be dealt with just because one side thinks the other will tout the achievment as a victory. The so-called Social Security "crisis" is something that could have been dealt with long ago with simple fixes everyone should have been able to agree on, but in each case the minority party thought the majority would take too much credit for it and blocked it.
The mentality that it's more important to win than to do right is one of the biggest political problems our country faces. We keep poisoning the atmosphere with these all-or-nothing tactics, and it's no wonder we can never get past it and come together to get something done.
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I was disappointed with ALL the candidates. Just that I feel McCain is the lesser of the three evils we have left.....like others do.
That doesn't explain or escuse this tactic at all. Trying to get the candidate that you think is the WORST of the three nominated for the other party is a dishonest tactic that does not serve the country. Anyone who honestly thinks that Clinton would be a bad president but votes for her to give MCain a better chance is gambling with the presidency and not putting the country's interests ahead of their party's.
And for those who don't think it'll really affect the nomination but just think it is in the country's best interest to try to cause confusion and frustration in the other party is wrong. That doesn't help any of us. It just raises the level of anger and distrust and causes more division in the country. I personally resent the idea that anyone would intentionally try to distort the outcome of my party's primary. It's sleazy and arrogant.
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
I support Obama over Clinton, but imagine if these Republicans do succeed in putting her over the top, and she wins the general election too. I'd love to see Rush and the rest of these "strategic" voters have to suck on it for the next four years --- THEY voted for her.
i think even that bit of irony would escape the thinking of any neo-con that would vote for her...
but it does kind of make sense, if they want four more years of war and neo-con globalist actions, they can vote for mccain or hillary.
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
this one time, at band camp....
i think this just shows exactly how the american people act more like sheep. these people are goin and crossing party lines because rush limbaugh or anne coultier told them to. give me a break. why dont they try thinkin for them selves. if they dint think mccain can beat obama why dont they get out and try to influence the election by CAMPAIGNING for their party.
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
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It just raises the level of anger and distrust and causes more division in the country.
Actually, just in the Dem party. McCain wants to run a clean election and we all know that the Clinton Machine is all about trashing a person.....let her do the GOPs dirty work.
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but it does kind of make sense, if they want four more years of war and neo-con globalist actions, they can vote for mccain or hillary.
Just think of the articles for Prison Planet.....this is A.J.s dream come true.
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i think this just shows exactly how the american people act more like sheep. these people are goin and crossing party lines because rush limbaugh or anne coultier told them to. give me a break. why dont they try thinkin for them selves.
I voted in the Wisconsin Primary....way before Rush made the announcement. McCain already had it wrapped up so what the hell, make the folks(hard core Hill dems) happy and at the same time do my own dirty work....win-win situation.
As far as Colter....she can't stand McCain. She's asking people to vote for anyone but him including the general election.
Have a good one!:s4:
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
Here are my top ten reasons Republicans are trying to influence the Democratic primary in favor of Hillary Clinton:
10. Fear
9. Desperation
8. Arrogance
7. They are natural-born "shit disturbers"
6. They have a pathological lust for power
5. They are sheep doing the bidding of Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter
4. After five years in Iraq, they are used to strategically outsmarting themselves
3. They're looking forward to complaining for eight years
2. They feel they gotta vote for someone, but can't bring themselves to vote for McCain
And the number one reason Republicans dump their party to vote for Hillary:
1. Secretly they have a "thing" for Hillary
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Here are my top ten reasons Republicans are trying to influence the Democratic primary in favor of Hillary Clinton:
1. Secretly they have a "thing" for Hillary
I ADMIT IT!!! She's the lady of my wet dreams.....:D
Have a good one!:s4:
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
I ADMIT IT!!! She's the lady of my wet dreams.....:D
Have a good one!:s4:
Are you trying to get into Hillary's pantsuit...uh...I mean...her pants?
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Are you trying to get into Hillary's pantsuit...uh...I mean...her pants?
Hey, that call at three A.M.:thumbsup:.....Bill's a heavy sleeper.:D
Have a good one!:s4:
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Hey, that call at three A.M.:thumbsup:.....Bill's a heavy sleeper.:D
Have a good one!:s4:
I'm sure Bill's busy elsewhere at 3am.
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
Bills busy at the Strip club at 3:00. Anyway i am in dragonriders boat. I am pretty disgusted.
New song "Republicans got a crush on hilaryyyyy"
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
I think they're gonna tag up eventually. That's the only way the Democrats can secure a victory.
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
It doesn't matter who wins because whoever does will make some of the most difficult decisions this country has ever faced. If people can focus on the issues rather than if they stomach a black man or a woman as president, we'll get somewhere.
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Here are my top ten reasons Republicans are trying to influence the Democratic primary in favor of Hillary Clinton:
10. Fear
9. Desperation
8. Arrogance
7. They are natural-born "shit disturbers"
6. They have a pathological lust for power
5. They are sheep doing the bidding of Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter
4. After five years in Iraq, they are used to strategically outsmarting themselves
3. They're looking forward to complaining for eight years
2. They feel they gotta vote for someone, but can't bring themselves to vote for McCain
And the number one reason Republicans dump their party to vote for Hillary:
1. Secretly they have a "thing" for Hillary
That's the most broad, un-fair, and just plain not right, portrayel of the Republican party. How can you group a whole freaking political party and say EVERY Republican is like that. That broad statement is a freaking joke.
10. Fear? Yeah fear that when she wins my taxes will go up when she impliments all these 'free" plans.
9. Desperation? I think not. McCain has a real chance of winning.
8. Arrogance? How is this arrogance? Republicans are doing the same bullshitt he Democrats have been doing for quite some time.
7. WTF, I can't even get into this one.
6. Power? If you think that Republicans are the ones lusting for power take a good hard look at your own damn party.
5. I'm a sheep? Oh yes, P4B and I are regular, goose stepping, Republican sheep. Shhh, don't tell anyone but our leader is Bill O'Reilly.
4. And Iraq, here it is again. Let's just forget about the people we free'd. Forget about the human rights were bringing to women and young girls, who are finally able to vote and get an education. What about all the people who want freedom there? Fuck em' I guess, things have gotten to hard. I say we take home our toys and go home.
3. I'm not looking to complain for eight years. I'm looking to have a decent president who isn't running on hopes and dreams.
2. McCain isn't our favorite choice but damnit, he's better than the other options.
1. Okay, your right about this one. Her pantsuits..grrrr.
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Originally Posted by rebgirl420
That's the most broad, un-fair, and just plain not right, portrayel of the Republican party. How can you group a whole freaking political party and say EVERY Republican is like that. That broad statement is a freaking joke.
Yes, you got that part right --- it was a joke (well, mostly). Take a chill pill girl, you know me, I don't make broad, unfair characterizations of people (well, mostly not).
And I wasn't saying EVERY Republican is like that. I was making fun of the quarter million Republicans who voted in the Democratic primary so they could vote for who they think is the weakest Democratic candidate and give their own candidate an edge in the general election. I think that is wrong. Anyone who did this deserves to be made fun of, and if they can't take a little crap for not voting for their own candidate, then maybe they're a little too oversensitive to be pulling that kind of bullshit tactic. Maybe they should just stick to supporting their own candidate and they wouldn't have to put up with being ridiculed for voting for a Democrat. I respect any Republican who supports their own candidate without resorting to sleazeball tactics.
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8. Arrogance? How is this arrogance? Republicans are doing the same bullshitt he Democrats have been doing for quite some time.
It's arrogant to think you have the right to interfere with the other party's primary process. And no, Democrats have NOT been doing this for quite some time. P4B claimed to have INVENTED this tactic. Have you ever heard of a Democrat voting in the Republican pirimary for this reason? If Democrats had conspired to put Tommy Thompson or Tom Tancredo or anyone else on the Republican ticket instead of McCain, would you think that was arrogant? Don't you think that decisiosn should be left to the Republicans? I think the choice of Democratic candidate should be left to Democrats, or those who honestly want to vote for a Democrat in the general election, not some dirtbag who wants to screw with our ticket.
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4. And Iraq, here it is again. Let's just forget about the people we free'd. Forget about the human rights were bringing to women and young girls, who are finally able to vote and get an education. What about all the people who want freedom there? Fuck em' I guess, things have gotten to hard. I say we take home our toys and go home.
My comment was about outsmarting yourself strategically, not about justification for or against the war. Regardless of whether you support the war or not, you have to admit the neo-con assclowns (thanks P4B) in charge of it have made one strategic blunder after another trying to be clever with it. I hate having to explain a joke, but the joke was that these Republican assclowns (sorry P4B) who voted for Hillary may end up outsmarting themselves and actually get her elected.
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2. McCain isn't our favorite choice but damnit, he's better than the other options.
If McCain is better than the other options, then why did these Republican's vote for Hillary? They voted for "the other options."
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Originally Posted by rebgirl420
1. Okay, your right about this one. Her pantsuits..grrrr.
Yeah, she's hot. Everyone agrees on that at least.
Anyway, if you think it is OK to vote in the other party's primary in order to pick a weaker opponent to face your party's candidate, then justify it. And I don't mean an "ends justifies the means" kind of argument. That doesn't wash. It is not SO IMPORTANT that your party win that it justifies manipulating the democratic process this way. I don't think there are any reasons to do this other than a cynical, sleazy manipulation of process. Unless you can come up with a better explanation, I say it comes from fear, desperation, arrogance, and lust for power. The rest are jokes (mostly)
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
Sorry to pounce on your ass like that. It's hard to tell if someone is being sarcastic or not. I'm glad your not the kind of guy to make big ol' characterizations. So many people are.
I never said I was for Republicans voting for Hillary though. Personally I hate Hillary. And I think that if a Democrat has to get into office, then I hope it's Obama.
Not because I like his politics, I don't. I just really hate Hillary more. And he seems like a better person morally than she does.
But none of that matters. Because hopefully McCain will get voted in.
But REALLY, I wish Ron Paul was one of my options. Poor Ron Paul.
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
McCain, the retard went on National TV and spouted off about Iran training Al-Queda and sending them to Iraq. It took that traitor Joe lieberdumb to whisper in his ear, no it's the terrorists, not al-queda. And this is the guy you repukes want running our country, another Bush? Amazing.
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Gaming the opposing party's primary by crossing over and voting for who you think will be the weaker opponent is an example of what is wrong with American politics. This partisan extremism in which people feel it is more important for their own party to WIN than it is to do what is right for the country is going to ruin us. If a person really thinks that Clinton would make a bad president but votes for her "strategically" becasue they think she will be easier to beat, then that person is putting their parties chances of winning ahead of the country's best interests, at least in their own mind.
We wonder why politicians can't reach across the aisle and get something done --- it's because of this same mentality. Everyone has bought in to the idea that it is more important for their party to WIN than it is to do what is right for the country.
People used to blame politicians for "dirty tricks," but now we get a quarter million or so Republican voters participating in the dirty tricks. It's sad.
I think Republicans are so disappointed with their own candidate, that they are now resorting to this kind of tactic out of desperation and fear. They know McCain can't win on his own merits, so they are trying to interfere with the Democratic primary.
It would be one thing if Republicans were voting in the Democratic primary and picking the Democrat they thought would be the best. I can understand a person wanting as many good choices as possible on the ballot. But it's really pathetic that they think their own candidate is so weak that they would try to create a "lesser of two evils" election rather than just vote for the best people available. The fact is that the next president will be a Democrat, so they should be thinking about who they really want.
I support Obama over Clinton, but imagine if these Republicans do succeed in putting her over the top, and she wins the general election too. I'd love to see Rush and the rest of these "strategic" voters have to suck on it for the next four years --- THEY voted for her.
well said
all that aside, I cant wait to see the tears of all the republicans as a dem walks into the white house this year :pimp::pimp:
Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP
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Originally Posted by FeedmeWeed
well said
all that aside, I cant wait to see the tears of all the republicans as a dem walks into the white house this year :pimp::pimp:
Some people do cry when they get unwanted visitors.....LOL
Have a good one!:s4:
