Rusty's Re-Veg...

Thought we needed another re-veg thread, as lately there just doesn't seem to be enough of 'em, lol.

I'll be taking the plant, chopping her back to basically a stump with a couple of small branches, and a few small leaves. From there, I'll re-pot her in a larger (5 gallon) pot with fresh soil, to be put back into veg.

First off, here's the donor. She's a clone from an un-named medical R&D strain from Reeferman, that I have so boldly named PokerFace. (I used to live in Vegas, thus the weird name)Reeferman R&D Strain #1
She's a 30" tall 50%/50% hybrid (indica/sativa) in a 3 gallon pot filled with a very rich locally-mixed organic soil. 25% more perlite added for better drainage. Trichomes are milky, on the verge of turning amber, but needed the smoke.
A few days before this photo, I had flushed really, really good, and has since dried-out enough for it's upcoming transplant.

First photo: shows the initial removal of primary and secondary buds. After this was accomplished, I removed the (seeded) lower buds.

Second photo: In the bottom of my grow pots, I have a 1" layer of rock, with a layer of shade cloth on top of 'em. The shade cloth keeps the soil out of the rocks. Makes it easier to do what I'm about to do, and I don't have to pick a bunch of rocks out of the rootball.

Having prepared a 5 gallon pot for the transplant, (rock layer, shade cloth, fresh soil...) and after trimming all the harvest, I remove plant from the 3 gallon pot. Turning plant upside down, I tear-off the shade cloth. :eek:

Here she is in her new pot: After putting her in her new pot, I water with 1/2 (or so) strength nutes, and slap her into veg. The other plant next to the current re-veg, is another re-vegging Diesel. (been vegging for about 2 weeks)

After about 3 to 4 weeks, I've got a 12" to 16" revegged plant, ready for flower.
Veg: 400w MH 18/6
Flower: 2 x 400w HPS
Nutes: Fox Farms 3 part (G-M-B) Cal Mag Plus, Molasses.

The two plants tword the back wall are re-veg's. One on left has been flowering for almost two weeks. The one on the right is the same Diesel, from the post above. (plant in front is a Swazi Skunk, 3 weeks into flower, but is just a clone, not a re-veg)

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

After about 3 to 4 weeks, I've got a 12" to 16" revegged plant, ready for flower.
Veg: 400w MH 18/6
Flower: 2 x 400w HPS
Nutes: Fox Farms 3 part (G-M-B) Cal Mag Plus, Molasses.

The two plants tword the back wall are re-veg's. One on left has been flowering for almost two weeks. The one on the right is the same Diesel, from the post above. (plant in front is a Swazi Skunk, 3 weeks into flower, but is just a clone, not a re-veg)

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but dont you just take clones from mothers? :rastasmoke:

Sure, clones are nice. Lately re-grows are where I've been getting my clones. (I'll harvest some clones for the next grow cycle, and put the mother back into flower) But with a re-grow, you already have an established root system that's just dying to kick-start the foliage.
Also, regardless of others' fears, I have yet to see a hermie. :thumbsup: (knocks on wood)

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Sure, clones are nice. Lately re-grows are where I've been getting my clones. (I'll harvest some clones for the next grow cycle, and put the mother back into flower) But with a re-grow, you already have an established root system that's just dying to kick-start the foliage.
Also, regardless of others' fears, I have yet to see a hermie. :thumbsup: (knocks on wood)

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Awesome thread, Rusty! Besides tearing off the shade cloth, do you separate/trim the roots whatsoever?

great thread and perfect timing......this will help me with my re-veg.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Clandestine

Awesome thread, Rusty! Besides tearing off the shade cloth, do you separate/trim the roots whatsoever?

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Nope. Some come off with the shade cloth, but I don't do much more than that. If transplanting into a larger pot, they've got plenty of time in veg and flower to fill the spaces. If I'm downsizing the re-veg, I'll dramatically trim the roots, but have only done that when space in the veg closet is too cramped.

Bummer tho...my MH just quit turning on , when it gets turned on. I takes like an hour, but then fires. Possibly capacitor going bad? Anyway, back to floro veg. :(

Keeko: It is really easy, just be on the lookout for ph problems. have had to do a second flush early in re-veg, but seems to be smooth sailing after stabilized.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Bummer tho...my MH just quit turning on , when it gets turned on. It takes like an hour, but then fires. Possibly capacitor going bad? Anyway, back to floro veg. :(

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That sucks to hear. Is the light cycling? (Igniting for a little while, then cutting off, then repeating the process continuously.) Or does it just take forever to fire up... but stays lit once it gets going? If it's the latter, and your ballast is a pulse start system, it sounds like the igniter or capacitor may be taking a crap on you.

Here's an interesting link where you might be able to find some better answers: The Professor's PSMH

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Keeko: It is really easy, just be on the lookout for ph problems. have had to do a second flush early in re-veg, but seems to be smooth sailing after stabilized.

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good to know, ill be checking for ph and other problems....keep up the good work.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Clandestine

Is the light cycling? (Igniting for a little while, then cutting off, then repeating the process continuously.) Or does it just take forever to fire up... but stays lit once it gets going? If it's the latter, and your ballast is a pulse start system, it sounds like the igniter or capacitor may be taking a crap on you.

Here's an interesting link where you might be able to find some better answers: The Professor's PSMH

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Not real sure. Two days in a row, it took forever to ignite. But am pretty sure it stayed on, once it got going. Third day, I switched it for the floro's. No hurry figuring it out. Can't afford to do much of anything right now.
Will check the link tho, thanks bunches.

Good luck to you too, keeko, thanks.

A capacitor is an easy fix! Just plugs to each post on the cap.Provided you have a factory ballast,like hydrfarm,and not a homebuilt,one. Is it a magnetic ballast with a coil?:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by GaGrown

A capacitor is an easy fix! Just plugs to each post on the cap.Provided you have a factory ballast,like hydrfarm,and not a homebuilt,one. Is it a magnetic ballast with a coil?:thumbsup:

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It's a factory built, (magnetic, I think) but haven't even opened it up yet. Just past the warranty, too. But for now the floro's are doing ok. What really sux, is that my floro fixture is 4'1" but the closet is only 3'11". Puts everything on a slant, lol. Am contemplating just switching to CFl's instead of fixing the MH. Depends on what it will take to fix.

Anyone have a link for cheap replacement parts or retro kits?
How about one for bulk packages of CFL's?
Would appreciate it bunches. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

It's a factory built, (magnetic, I think) but haven't even opened it up yet. Just past the warranty, too. But for now the floro's are doing ok. What really sux, is that my floro fixture is 4'1" but the closet is only 3'11". Puts everything on a slant, lol. Am contemplating just switching to CFl's instead of fixing the MH. Depends on what it will take to fix.

Anyone have a link for cheap replacement parts or retro kits?
How about one for bulk packages of CFL's?
Would appreciate it bunches. :thumbsup:

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Well, shit!

Veg lights (fluoro's) took a dump last night, again. <sigh> Were getting old anyway. This keeps up, and I'll be vegging with my Bic lighter, lol.

Went to WalMart, and ended-up with these:
There's 4 - 2 bulb security light bases (adjustable bulb angles)
8 - 26w CFL's (6500k, 1600 lumens)

Drilled holes, attached bases to the board, wired them in series. Using a hard yet flexible plastic sheeting for reflector, that I had in the garage.

Had to use the Dremmel to remove about 1" in length from the plastic bulb sockets, as the bulb base was about 1/32" too large in diameter. Easy remedy, works great.
Am going back to WalMart to get two more of the bases and 4 more bulbs. Should I stick with the 6500k's or should I get some of the other 2400k (I think) bulbs to suppliment?
Thanks...Rusty

rusty you remind me of hee haw
if it werent for bad luck you wouldnt have any.
the reveg is goood stuff to know thank you.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Well, shit!

Veg lights (fluoro's) took a dump last night, again. <sigh> Were getting old anyway. This keeps up, and I'll be vegging with my Bic lighter, lol.

Went to WalMart, and ended-up with these:
There's 4 - 2 bulb security light bases (adjustable bulb angles)
8 - 26w CFL's (6500k, 1600 lumens)

Drilled holes, attached bases to the board, wired them in series. Using a hard yet flexible plastic sheeting for reflector, that I had in the garage.

Had to use the Dremmel to remove about 1" in length from the plastic bulb sockets, as the bulb base was about 1/32" too large in diameter. Easy remedy, works great.
Am going back to WalMart to get two more of the bases and 4 more bulbs. Should I stick with the 6500k's or should I get some of the other 2400k (I think) bulbs to suppliment?
Thanks...Rusty

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Hey Rusty,
They sell the 5 packs of Bic lighters at the counter. That should last you awhile.Pretend your at a concert!. All jokes aside... That's messed up! I've never had a light or fan fall. That had to be heart-wrenching!:mad:

My wife tells me I have such a magnetic personality, I mess-up all things electronic within a ten yard radius. I broke the Microwave, last night. Closed the door a bit too hard with my hip, Now it won't start. :D
<sigh>
Ya get used to it after a while. :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

My wife tells me I have such a magnetic personality, I mess-up all things electronic within a ten yard radius. I broke the Microwave, last night. Closed the door a bit too hard with my hip, Now it won't start. :D
<sigh>
Ya get used to it after a while. :jointsmile:

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She's right! I feel the poles pulling from here...........:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Am going back to WalMart to get two more of the bases and 4 more bulbs. Should I stick with the 6500k's or should I get some of the other 2400k (I think) bulbs to suppliment?
Thanks...Rusty

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Well I can't answer if you get some 2500k bulbs to supplement but here is a plant I grew under 5500K CFLs. I think you'd be fine with just the cfl's you have

Total of 10 lamps, 2 of which are the 2400k's. Figured that I could keep an eye on 'em, see what kind of a difference they make.

One thing I noticed already...plants grow much slower with the CFL's. Painfully slow. (I know...it's a profound revelation, lol) Am checking credit card to see if I can afford a capacitor for my 400w MH ballast.

Also, I fixed my microwave. Was a loose switch/latch. (whew, wife was a little pissed)
Only ended-up with 2 extra screws, and a weird wire-connector thingy when done. :thumbsup: (kidding)

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Total of 10 lamps, 2 of which are the 2400k's. Figured that I could keep an eye on 'em, see what kind of a difference they make.

One thing I noticed already...plants grow much slower with the CFL's. Painfully slow. (I know...it's a profound revelation, lol) Am checking credit card to see if I can afford a capacitor for my 400w MH ballast.

Also, I fixed my microwave. Was a loose switch/latch. (whew, wife was a little pissed)
Only ended-up with 2 extra screws, and a weird wire-connector thingy when done. :thumbsup: (kidding)

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Not only are you magnetic,your mechanicly inclined as well!:thumbsup: I've to learn from you!With the extra parts left you don't have to buy more. Bet she is glad you got it fixed..

Ga Grown!

One thing I noticed already...plants grow much slower with the CFL's. Painfully slow. (I know...it's a profound revelation, lol) Am checking credit card to see if I can afford a capacitor for my 400w MH ballast.

yeah ive been playing with my lights lately. ive found that my 100w mh grows plants much faster than my 100w t5s damn near double not to metion nodes are much closer tpgether which helps my sog well this is great cause im going to have to regen these gdp now i know they are for sure i got them in flower and tried to clone about four and they died and i want to keep it gdp is such a good morning clear headed smoke.

Thought I'd throw-out an update. Week 5 or 6 in flower, I believe.
Will have to double check, tho.
Anyway, here's how she looks today...A little shorter than I'd normally flower, but was getting desperate for buds...20" tall right now, but longer re-veg would have given a taller result.

First pix: The re-grow finishing-up...
Second: Close-up...(can check trichome maturity this way, too. :thumbsup:)
Third: Another re-grow, 3 weeks into flower...
Last one: Yet another re-grow, 1 week in flower.
The others are Swazi clones, 1 and 2 weeks in flower. (sativa)

Sorry, don't know what I was thinking...the clones above are Diesel, (indica dom) not Swazi.

Awsome !!!

They all look really nice. How many weeks is the re-veg from the last harvest?

I put 'em back in veg for about 5-6 weeks, then, after a good flush and some veg nutes, she goes back into flower. Takes a couple of those weeks re-adjusting to it's situation after being put back into veg. Same with putting them back into flower. A week or two of almost no growth in flower, then it goes crazy, filling itself in.

Will go for a longer veg from now on, tho. Perhaps an extra couple of weeks. I'm guessing it is well worth the wait.

I have to say tho...the results as they stand are better than I was expecting. Much better.

I was going to try and re-veg my Swazi clone, (sativa) but I let her go too long in flower. All the lower growth dried-up. The remaining viable leaves (required for photosynthesis and re-vegging) were too high-up the trunk, and I couldn't fit the girl back into the veg closet, without cutting-off the good stuff. Oh well...can't win 'em all, lol.

Can't wait to try it on my Potent Purple ladies. (sativa)

Rusty Trichome,
Nice job....like what I see.....keep it up....
I like your style...
Thanks,
Peace,
Treetops :thumbsup:

with your mh how old is the bulb? sometimes an older bulb combined with a weak cap can cause the issues u mentioned.. replacing the bulb isn't a long term fix if the cap is compromised but it can be supprising how long it will last anyways hope all is going well;)

i was hoping to come across one of these this is what im planning to do when im done keep the updates coming :jointsmile:

Once had BCBD's Purple Buddha 3-4wks into flowering, after decided to pollinate the plant, wanted to take some cuts to preserve the pheno & strain cause it smelled niiiice:) rooted them using a hydrocloning method, after they rooted in about 10 days, placed them in pots where they still weren't completely out of the flowering stage, I picked off all flowers or signs of the flower period while in a 1gal., it took almost 1 complete month to re-veg:)
It sounds like forever but I'm happy with it now.
LightPeriod:24hrs
PotSize:1gal after rooted in hydrocloner
Nutes: Voodoo Juice, Mother Earth Tea GROW, Pura Vida Organic GROW

I recommend 24hrs lighting but surely 18/6 would work as well.

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Originally Posted by DrMota

I recommend 24hrs lighting but surely 18/6 would work as well.

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I recomnmend 18/6, but only because it's worked best for my ladies for many years, unlike a 24/0 schedule. The confusion between ability to do so, and the benefits/risks continues. But that's for another thread....:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

I recomnmend 18/6, but only because it's worked best for my ladies for many years, unlike a 24/0 schedule. The confusion between ability to do so, and the benefits/risks continues. But that's for another thread....:jointsmile:

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lol! funny rusty!


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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

I recomnmend 18/6, but only because it's worked best for my ladies for many years, unlike a 24/0 schedule. The confusion between ability to do so, and the benefits/risks continues. But that's for another thread....:jointsmile:

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24/0 and 18/6 would both work, I recommend you use the best that worked for you, Once my KUSH was 3weeks into flower and 18/6 only pushed the pistil development further when the lights were off.

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Originally Posted by DrMota

24/0 and 18/6 would both work, I recommend you use the best that worked for you, Once my KUSH was 3weeks into flower and 18/6 only pushed the pistil development further when the lights were off.

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You put your Kush under 18/6 to flower, and what happened...? :wtf:
Are you confusing preflowers showing during vegetative cycle, and buds forming in bloom cycle? If so, why would you be in the Advanced Techniques threads correcting anyone? If not, then wtf are you talking about?

The way I read it he means he had the Kush flowering at 12/12, tried to re-veg by switching to 18/6, but it just kept budding and budding apparently. Where are you DrMota, you need to give us some clarity!

BTW, is that name from the town Mota on Phantasy Star? I loved those games!!

'Mota' is Mexican for 'marijuana', I think :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by the image reaper

'Mota' is Mexican for 'marijuana', I think :jointsmile:

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that is correct my friend :thumbsup: Watch BLOW and they say that when they are in Mexico. Damn Gringos looking for mota! LoL