Drawn-out Dem fight could cost prez race

With Republicans rallying around John McCain, Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama could imperil their partyâ??s quest for the White House by engaging in a prolonged nomination fight expected to sap money and organizing strength from their campaigns, political analysts said.

The fractious battle prompted an unusual intervention yesterday by Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, who said Sens. Clinton and Obama should consider making a deal to avoid a showdown at the partyâ??s national convention.

â??I think we will have a nominee sometime in the middle of March or April. But if we donâ??t, then weâ??re going to have to get the candidates together and make some kind of an arrangement,â?� Dean reportedly said.

While the Democrats battle one another, Arizona Sen. McCain can raise fistfuls of money and begin to focus his attacks on Obama and Clinton, who will be forced to keep their campaigns focused on securing the nomination. McCain emerged as the presumptive GOP nominee yesterday after former Bay State Gov. Mitt Romney bowed out of the race.

â??This is a dream for McCain and a nightmare for the Democrats,â?� said political strategist Michael Goldman. â??The argument from the Republicans will become, â??Look at the Democrats, they canâ??t even get along with each other; how are they going to govern the country.â?? â?�
Drawn-out Dem fight could cost prez race - BostonHerald.com

LOL....just like I've been stating in here. Keep on fighting.....the "right" appreciates it!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

Yep Hillary and Obama keep screwing around and the repubs will win by default. People will get tired of listening to there childish bickering.

Hillary was in town here today... I was not allowed to attend because I had questions to ask her.....like How is she expecting to pay for all the BS she is trying to unload on the uninformed, and if she has plans to give us veterens the free medical and dental that we were promised when we enlisted, and how much longer will sole propriator businesses be paying more taxes than everybody else(I get hit with 32%!!), and how does she propose to control the boarders here??, and what is she gonna do with the 13 million illegals here?? Are the rest of us as tax payers going to have to continue to support them through the *free* government programs??

Like I said... they didn't want me there.

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and how does she propose to control the boarders here??, and what is she gonna do with the 13 million illegals here?? Are the rest of us as tax payers going to have to continue to support them through the *free* government programs??

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LMAO...don't ask ANY of the candidates about illegals. They're all out to get the Mexican vote so that's a taboo issue right now.:S1:

Have a good one!:s4:

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While the Democrats battle one another, Arizona Sen. McCain can raise fistfuls of money and begin to focus his attacks on Obama and Clinton, who will be forced to keep their campaigns focused on securing the nomination.

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This is definitely a problem if they do not get it sorted out soon, but I don't think I agree with the comment about money above.

Last quarter Obama raised something like $50 million and Clinton about $35 million --- so $85 million between the two of them. During the same period, McCain got something like $15 million. I'm sure the Democrats would rather be planning to spend that money in November, instead of on each other, but it doesn't look like McCain is going to "raise fistfulls of money" without pandering a bit more to the evangelicals. Put on your ass-kissing lips, Johnie.

To some degree these kinds of fights help to strengthen a candidate by toughening them up for the November race and getting the inevitable negative factors out into the daylight so they can be dealt with early. But there is always the chance that a candidate could be damaged beyond rapair.

Also, if things get too negative and go on for too long, it could spoil the optimistic spirit that is really driving the Democratic party to have much more massive turnouts and raise much more money than the Republicans. The problem is that the two don't have very large policy differences, so their message comes down to blowing the small differences out of proportion and focusing on the negatives --- they need to knock that off soon.

I'm pretty sure it will come down to some kind of deal really soon.

you know, it looks like it may all come down to the great State of Pennsylvania for the Democratic nomination, so i think i can safely say the question on everyone's mind is . . . will RebGirl, assuming she is allowed to, pull a ModFather and vote for Hillary, just to mess with the Dem's?? :D its too late for me to do that, so i will never have to ask myself if i ever could have done it or not. :jointsmile:

Meh.. The GOP wont win. Americans are sick of the war and a pro war candidate will not do well in the national election. In almost every state that has held its primary so far, If you add up all the GOP votes, they don't even come close to the 2nd place Democrat. Assuming everyone who voted GOP votes McCain he wont even make a dent. Ron Paul supporters wont vote McCain and many Huckabee supporters will not vote McCain. Nader may mess up the Dem's but not as much as Paul/Huck screw with the GOP. While many Hillary/Obama supporters will support the other.

Some examples of state turnouts

MA (Dem's) 1,244,123 (GOP) 496,171
- Obama alone in 2nd place received 511,877

TX (Dem's) 2,818,599 (GOP) 1,320,653
- Obama alone in 2nd place received 1,358,785

NY (Dem's) 1,721,262 (GOP) 602,747
- Obama alone in 2nd place received 697,914

VA (Dem's) 970,393 (GOP) 481,980

MN (Dem's) 212,618 (GOP) 62,161
- Clinton received 68,607 in 2nd place

McCain wont pull much if any Obama/Hillary support. Where as someone like Ron Paul would have a better chance for the GOP to take the antiwar vote away from the DEM'S. The Dem's can fight all they want till they're blue in the face but all it will do is switch the vote to the other Dem, not to the GOP.

Add on the fact McCain = 4 more years of Bush policy (even a Bush endorsement with his approval rating of ~30%) will do more harm then simple bickering between the democrats.

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Ron Paul supporters wont vote McCain and many Huckabee supporters will not vote McCain. Nader may mess up the Dem's but not as much as Paul/Huck screw with the GOP. While many Hillary/Obama supporters will support the other.

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I don't really think that any of the candidates really want the Ron Paul conspiracy crowd following them. Do ya really think that these people were the type to vote Republican in the first place? The anti-war crowd is from the left. Ron Paul and Ralph Nader have both done the GOP a favor!:thumbsup:

As for the Hillary/Obama supporters.....the thread below states it all. There is more and more hate developing and a very good chance that they'll cross lines to back McCain....the guy that has worked with the left in Senate time and time again.
http://boards.cannabis.com/current-e...wink-wink.html

Almost forgot about the Huckabee supporters. Do ya really think that the evangelical voters are going to either vote for or stay home and allow a pro-abortion candidate to slide in? NOT likely at all.

McCain is their last chance when it comes to that issue not to mention appointments of people on the Supreme Court that hold their beliefs.

Have a good one!:s4:

I think they will have to come to some kind of agreement and settle this thing before too long. And I think what that means is that they will probably have a combined ticket. It's not what I would have wanted, and I'm sure it's not what either of them would have wanted. And who knows who will be at the top of the ticket. But given how much support they both have, I think it is probably the only agreement they will be able to make.

And an Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama ticket will steamroll McCain flat as a pancake.

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Add on the fact McCain = 4 more years of Bush policy (even a Bush endorsement with his approval rating of ~30%) will do more harm then simple bickering between the democrats.

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Bush isn't running, and his administration and policies will depart with him. You mention Bush's approval ratings, but failed to mention the current Senate ratings, or the current House ratings.

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And an Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama ticket will steamroll McCain flat as a pancake.

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Way to much bad blood there now to have this happen and from here on out it'll be getting nothing but worse. A party divided and they were feeling SO sure about this time around.:D

Have a good one!:s4:

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Way to much bad blood there now to have this happen and from here on out it'll be getting nothing but worse. A party divided and they were feeling SO sure about this time around.:D

Have a good one!:s4:

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I think the division is all fake and everyone sees right through it. The two differ very little on policy, but in order to make it seem like there is a more dramatic choice between them, they blow the little differences out of proportion. It's a campaign tactic more than a real difference. They both have pretty thick skins and know this is all just about politics. It hasn't gotten very nasty or personal yet and they could patch it up easily. I think that is what will happen and then the joint ticket will move on to stomping poor McCain into the gorund. He'll look like a nasty piece of road pizza by the time this thing is over --- flat as a pancake, with unrecognizable bits smeared all over the pavement, smelly remains being picked at by crow and racooons. Poor bastard.

Too bad McCain didn't get the nomination 8 years ago. He's a good man and would probably be a good president, and he definitely would have done better in these past 8 years than dumbass dubbya. The time was right for a change 8 years ago, and Bush the moron barely sqeaked a victory out of it (with the help of the Supreme Court). But now the times are ready for a change again, and poor McCain doesn't have a prayer.

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Bush the moron barely sqeaked a victory out of it (with the help of the Supreme Court).

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stop beating a dead horse...:beatdeadhorse: HE WON THE ELECTION.

can you honestly say Al Gore could have handled the burden of the presidency any better given what was about to unfold in 2001?


and as far as the dems go every time they bash each other on the record they collectively add fuel to the McCain general election fire, he could pretty much use the dem losers own words/sound bites as pro-McCain advertisements against the dem winner in the general election......:stoned:

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stop beating a dead horse...:beatdeadhorse: HE WON THE ELECTION.

can you honestly say Al Gore could have handled the burden of the presidency any better given what was about to unfold in 2001?


and as far as the dems go every time they bash each other on the record they collectively add fuel to the McCain general election fire, he could pretty much use the dem losers own words/sound bites as pro-McCain advertisements against the dem winner in the general election......:stoned:

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I know Bush won the election, and I never said he didn't. What I meant was that, even though he was a fool and puppet from day one, and everyone could see it, the times were so right for a change that he couldn't lose (even though he didn't actually win the VOTE, only the election, so he nearly blew a sure thing).

And what I neglected to add was that he sucked balls for the next eight years. Suck, suck, suck. You'd think he would have had enough of sucking balls by now, but he still keeps on sucking. Can't get enough of sucking balls, I guess. Sucks harder every day, and is likely to keep sucking right to the end. Suck, suck, suck balls.

Regarding your other question, yes, I think Al Gore or any half-retarded baboon could have handled the last eight years better. You'd have to really try to suck balls the way Bush has! No one can suck like dubbya!

And as far as the Dems go, there is a danger they will damage each other in a way that will hurt in the general election, but they haven't done it yet. Most of their criticism has been in the form of trying to draw non-existent differences between their policies, or their level of experience, or their kind of "vision." It's edged toward nasty, but has not gotten there yet. So far there is nothing for McCain to use.

Back to my original point. McCain is doomed. Just as George Bush and the Republicans benefited from the times being right for a change eight years ago, the Democrats will benefit this time.

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I think the division is all fake and everyone sees right through it. The two differ very little on policy, but in order to make it seem like there is a more dramatic choice between them, they blow the little differences out of proportion. It's a campaign tactic more than a real difference. They both have pretty thick skins and know this is all just about politics. It hasn't gotten very nasty or personal yet and they could patch it up easily. I think that is what will happen and then the joint ticket will move on to stomping poor McCain into the gorund. He'll look like a nasty piece of road pizza by the time this thing is over --- flat as a pancake, with unrecognizable bits smeared all over the pavement, smelly remains being picked at by crow and racooons. Poor bastard.

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Mr Obama said: "You won't see me as a vice presidential candidate. I'm running for president. We have won twice as many states as Senator Clinton, and have a higher popular vote, and I think we can maintain our delegate count."
Barack Obama 'won't be Hillary Clinton's vice-president on dream ticket' - Telegraph

And don't even think that Clinton is going to play V.P. for Obama either. There are some hard feelings here.....really to bad.:D

The dems chances for the Whitehouse are being pissed away a day at a time. Oh well, the ship may be sinking but keep on bailing the water. To bad that there's more coming in than they can bail.:D

Have a good one!:s4:

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Mr Obama said: "You won't see me as a vice presidential candidate. I'm running for president. We have won twice as many states as Senator Clinton, and have a higher popular vote, and I think we can maintain our delegate count."
Barack Obama 'won't be Hillary Clinton's vice-president on dream ticket' - Telegraph

And don't even think that Clinton is going to play V.P. for Obama either. There are some hard feelings here.....really to bad.:D

The dems chances for the Whitehouse are being pissed away a day at a time. Oh well, the ship may be sinking but keep on bailing the water. To bad that there's more coming in than they can bail.:D

Have a good one!:s4:

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There's certainly nothing that says they won't blow a sure thing, but I don't think they will. Maybe Hillary will consent to be on the bottom for awhile --- I'm sure she prefers it on top, but maybe she could make an exception, especially if Obama does get an unbeatable lead in the awarded delegates. We'll see if there are hard feelings. I think it's mostly for show, and they both know it.

I checked out the link you posted, and did you see this graphic they had of the Democratic Donkey preparing to mount the Republican Elephant? I think that's an apt metaphor for what we are about to see in November. And the way this donkey is hung, that's something the elephant will never forget!

The left wing flaps and the right wing flaps but its the head in the middle that thinks.

I keep seeing hints of a Hillary/Obama platform, now that this weeks episode of the reality show called the Democratic Caucus has dropped off in viewers, next episode Hillary joins with Obama in a unified something-or-other to challenge the republican neo-wrestler John I-been-tortured McCain. Who sees nothing wrong with sending more kids to die in a desert for oil. Ah well, theres always American Gladiators........Cheers!

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MR. RUSSERT: Senator Obama, I want you to respond to not holding oversight for your subcommittee. But also, do you reserve a right as American president to go back into Iraq, once you have withdrawn, with sizable troops in order to quell any kind of insurrection or civil war?

SEN. OBAMA: Now, I always reserve the right for the president -- as commander in chief, I will always reserve the right to make sure that we are looking out for American interests. And if al Qaeda is forming a base in Iraq, then we will have to act in a way that secures the American homeland and our interests abroad. So that is true, I think, not just in Iraq, but that's true in other places. That's part of my argument with respect to Pakistan.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/us...pagewanted=all

So we go through all the tough battles cleaning out insurgents from SEVERAL major cities in Iraq....pull out (since it's politically correct)...then when shit breaks loose we can do it all over again with sizable troop levels? And this assclown feels he's qualified to be Commander in Chief of our armed forces? What a joke!!

MR. RUSSERT: I want to ask both of you this question, then. If we -- if this scenario plays out and the Americans get out in total and al Qaeda resurges and Iraq goes to hell, do you hold the right, in your mind as American president, to re-invade, to go back into Iraq to stabilize it?

SEN. CLINTON: You know, Tim, you ask a lot of hypotheticals. And I believe that what's --

MR. RUSSERT: But this is reality.

SEN. CLINTON: No -- well, it isn't reality. You're -- you're -- you're making lots of different hypothetical assessments.

She doesn't come right out and say shit.....GREAT at dodgeball I'll bet. LOL

If ANYONE thinks that one of these two asshats are going to get us out of Iraq for good with tulips shooting out the asses of our soldiers is either nuts or VERY naive.

Have a good one!:s4:

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The left wing flaps and the right wing flaps but its the head in the middle that thinks.

I keep seeing hints of a Hillary/Obama platform, now that this weeks episode of the reality show called the Democratic Caucus has dropped off in viewers, next episode Hillary joins with Obama in a unified something-or-other to challenge the republican neo-wrestler John I-been-tortured McCain. Who sees nothing wrong with sending more kids to die in a desert for oil. Ah well, theres always American Gladiators........Cheers!

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LOL...you act as if Clinton or Obama are going to put an end to the war. If you REALLY want that, better vote for Nader.:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

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Maybe Hillary will consent to be on the bottom for awhile --- I'm sure she prefers it on top, but maybe she could make an exception, especially if Obama does get an unbeatable lead in the awarded delegates. We'll see if there are hard feelings. I think it's mostly for show, and they both know it.

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You think that Bill and Hill are going to play second fiddle for Obama? When asked, Obama doesn't seem all that interested in even suggesting that she'd be a candidate for V.P..

Since, according to Clinton, "Obama Isn't Ready to Be President"....How is he ready to be the V.P.? Likewise, would she be considered as his "baby sitter" is he was the top candidate? What a quandary they've created!:D

Have a good one!:s4:

maybe President elect Dmitry Medvedev (or as he is affectionately known as, Number Three . . or 4?) can offer some advice to the Democratic Party as his predecesor did in 2000, during Florida Fiasco I. :D