Is this normal while vegging?

Hey all,
Just wondering about this, is it normal in veg.
A little background,

Seeds germed late Nov, started in very small pots, transplanted a total of 4 times from a 4 inch, to gallon, to 3 gallon, to now 7 gallons.
Strain is outdoor skunk #1.
Showed preflowers very quickly I think, and they are now in flower for about 3 days, so I just started.
Since about Jan, they have been lst'd pretty well, they are all of about 10 inches high, but they are huge due to the training. They just look like they are on a screen, but they aren't. They have been on Bontincare Pro Blend Grow, plus calmag, plus LK every whenever I use it. All mixed with RO, ph'd to 6.8 for feeding. They get watered with plain, or with just lk 1 time every week, and fed 1 time a week. They seem very healthy I couldn't be happier!

Here's the question, the flowers started getting pretty dense in Jan and the tops of the main colas before I put them into flower were already 2 to 3 inches long and an inch or so thick from all the individual flowers that all grew together into big bud clumps. The side shoots are not as big, but very close, they are all just slightly smaller. They were under 2 400 watt MH for 18-6 since they were germd. Also they were already stinking, and had very shiny silvery trichs on bud leaves, while training and tying, fingers were getting sticky and fragrant? Is this all normal, these plants are doing all this while in veg? Could it have something to do with how long I vegged them? I apologize if it is normal, I am the new guy, I just don't know, I just have to ask. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is a problem, but would just like to know if other more experienced growers could give me some insight into this or let me know what or why it happened and if there are any issues that I should be concerned about.
(I can't imagine this is a bad thing though!:))

I can't wait to see what happens once these things get switched over and are really flowering!:D

Input is appreciated thank you!:thumbsup:

Please let me know if what I said makes no sense so I can clarify!:)

Yeah, I hate it when my plants grow pot. :D

Let me get this straight, you vegged for ~3 months? The lady started flowering in January with 18/6 light? Huh?

Please post pics ASAP!

Yes, they will start flowering eventually. How long they go until this happens depends on several fators including genetics and stress level.

Is there a potential downside to this? I mean is it a sympton of something bad? Or do I just need to be happy about it and not worry?
Just thought that it was wierd, they are developed really really well, and from the pics that I have seen here, I hadn't seen anything that looked like that in veg.
They are way beyond just a preflower the size of a dime, the node spacing was pretty short, and like I said, before I even switched them they were already looking pretty yummy.

Here are some shitty pics, hopefully ou can get some kind of idea as to what I am talking about.
Sorry would have posed them earlier but it was lights out.
Like I said though.
3 days into flower.

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Originally Posted by Perp

Yes, they will start flowering eventually. How long they go until this happens depends on several fators including genetics and stress level.

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I did nearly kill them a few times when they were very young, so it could be from stress? That's not good, are they likely to herm should I go get some reverse!?:wtf:

bumpty dumpty

Is there anyone out there that has had any first hand experience with this?

whilt I don't have a lot of first hand experience with this.
there was this 1 time where I had a hydro plant that flowered while in veg mode.and when I fliped her to 12-12 her buds got sticky as hell and even bigger than they had gotten while in veg cycle.

I do wanna say! holy shit. Thouse buds look great.:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by hydrocannabis

whilt I don't have a lot of first hand experience with this.
there was this 1 time where I had a hydro plant that flowered while in veg mode.and when I fliped her to 12-12 her buds got sticky as hell and even bigger than they had gotten while in veg cycle.

I do wanna say! holy shit. Thouse buds look great.:thumbsup:

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Hey thanks, I am going to keep my fingers crossed I guess, I really want to avoid any disasters! And I really can't wait until they start to "really" flower! I hope I get a similar outcome to what you had!

I guess it's safe to say that this is not common?
Could it have to do with it being a "outdoor" type?
Thanks again for input.

I was under the impression that a plant will stay in a state of perpetual veg under constant light (18/6) ?? I've read nothing of a plant flowering under 18 hours of daylight. Maybe something is going on with your lights/timer?

SimonMakus I was under the impression that a plant will stay in a state of perpetual veg under constant light (18/6) ?? I've read nothing of a plant flowering under 18 hours of daylight. Maybe something is going on with your lights/timer?


I promise, it's not the lights or the timer, had one other that remained completely normal, only shot preflowers, never had any accumulating buds.

Please, I would really like some input from EXPERIENCED GROWERS!!!
I know what is supposed to happen in 18/6, that's why I am posting the question.
The other side of this is, I was planning on keeping one as a mum, (in a perpetual veg state) so now I wonder if this is going to be possible?:wtf:

Please don't post to bump threads, especially when the previous bump was only an hour ago...


Are you completely certain that the skunk you have is indeed Skunk#1 and not in any way related to the Mighty Mite line?

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Please don't post to bump threads, especially when the previous bump was only an hour ago...


Are you completely certain that the skunk you have is indeed Skunk#1 and not in any way related to the Mighty Mite line?

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Sorry stinky, he asked me a question, I was just replying.

Mighty mite? I don't think so, I can't be for sure though. What is mighty mite? It is supposedly "outdoor" skunk #1, so I assumed that maybe it was just going to get huge, you think that it could be just genetics?
P.S.
I couldn't find crap for information on the strain as far as growing. :mad: I assumed that it would probably not be a good idea to grow it indoors, but I didn't exactly have any other options.

Skunk #1 rocks hard indoors even though the original breeding work on the line was done outdoors in New England. It's built for abuse- squat, hardy, and noob-proof. Flowers fast too.
MM is related to the skunks and was bred to be grown pretty far north and will in fact flower under 18 hours of light. It's not a TRUE autoflower, but it's damn close.

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Skunk #1 rocks hard indoors even though the original breeding work on the line was done outdoors in New England. It's built for abuse- squat, hardy, and noob-proof. Flowers fast too.
MM is related to the skunks and was bred to be grown pretty far north and will in fact flower under 18 hours of light. It's not a TRUE autoflower, but it's damn close.

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Sounds logical.
Jesus!! Flowering under 18 hours!!!! That is pretty rad! Rolodexing the grow brain you have, is there anything else to attribute this to?

I would have to have this under 24 hours to be sure that it stays in veg then if what you are saying is right? Is time a factor as well with MM? They were under 18/6 since the beginning, everything seemed normal, preflowers came, then they just kept getting bigger and bigger.:jointsmile:
I am off to learn about MM!

yeah, you realize after the preflowers turn into clusters that its not quite what you expected.

i have an autoflowering strain (lowryder cross of some kind), and the first time the females autoflowered, i took it as preflowers and immediately switched to 12/12

it wasnt till the second grow of the cross and some sativas that i realised that the male had about 300 polen sacks under 23hr light. so now hes gonna pollinate the best sativa for some seeds.:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH

They were under 2 400 watt MH for 18-6 since they were germd. Also they were already stinking, and had very shiny silvery trichs on bud leaves, while training and tying, fingers were getting sticky and fragrant? Is this all normal, these plants are doing all this while in veg? Could it have something to do with how long I vegged them? I apologize if it is normal, I am the new guy, I just don't know, I just have to ask.

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Heya 8182KSKUSH ,

I have a limited knowledge with what it is you're querying, as I have myself, just started venturing into hydroponics. I feel I've researched (Weeks back) a desent understanding of your query though, so I might have some useful info for you...

1. I have an odor and stickyness of the finngers with my young plant at approx 4weeks and also have a bushy little fella - see attached pic
2. I can see quite a few pistels already forming, so seeing many just before flowering would be a semi-common occurance
3. It can be a normal occurance for agressive formations of bud sites (Like the ones in ur pics) only three days into flowering - There's nutrients/chemicals on the market that can induce flowering with in 1-3 days after to switching to the 12 / 12 light cycle

Another researched opinion would be - That the plant has matured properly or of mature age and is ready to flower when ever you switch to 12/12 light cycle (Flower cycle), doesn't mean you can't keep it on the 18/6 and remain safe in veg mode

My opinion: Awesome plant with a very high yeild a-waiting for you to harvest - well done, keep us posted in a few weeks...

Cheers!

Note: The above is just a "Self Educated" opinion based on less than 5 weeks casual research whilst setting up my first hydro system...

Wow thanks for all the input!
Hey JMD, these have looked like this pretty much for a while, I just put them into flower 4 days ago, but they looked like this weeks ago!
Thanks for the input though, I hope you are right and I get a good yield!

I was so happy when I got the seeds, they came from a caregiver, about 10 in one little bud that was in a 1/4, it was the only seeded bud. I feared that they were the result of a hermie, but I got several males out of the mix so that put my fears to ease, which leave, they must have been pollinated by the vendor. I was happy because they were supposed to be "Outdoor Skunk #1" I thought great, supposed to be a super strong plant, and it may be huge!
The caregiver warned me that there in fact may be a few seeds, which was just fine by me!
I am worried that I should have started the bloom nutes sooner, I hope that my end result isn't too compromised!
Next feeding they are getting half and half.
I was also able to clone them, (only was able to get 2 out of 6 to make it though, and they are growing excellently as we speak!)and have a clone of each.
I thought that it was also strange that one of them threw out 3 bladed leaves while the other was doing 5,7,9. I thought that I had stressed it out, also the 3 bladed one really smells SKUNKY, but the other one is sweet and flowery? Is that just do to the genetics not being stable, and the different phenos coming out?
Also Stinky, will it be possible to re-veg the originals do you think? If it is in fact crossed with MM? I hope so, I have no more beans, and if it is anything like the medicine that I had originally that the seeds came from, it should be pretty decent, unless the cross had diminished the potency, hope not though! :D
Thanks again everyone!

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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH

I am worried that I should have started the bloom nutes sooner, I hope that my end result isn't too compromised!
Next feeding they are getting half and half.

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To my understanding, during the flower cycle, you should be more aggressive with nutrients, they will want to stretch out their pistils forever searching for the male pollens, and they are constantly wanting the male pollen, that of course will never come, so I wouldn't recommend going 50 / 50 - go aggressive and watch the lady become even more sexually frustrated - lol and grow more and more pistils etc, not sure of more pistils but they will grow the more energy they have to reach out for the male pollen...

Blah, I repeat myself several times, soz - grin...

What is it youâ??re saying about seed? You definitely have a female plant there, no way would there have ever been any seed in that plant...

The clones you have now, from that plant, will guarantee you have future females, only way this will change, is if those pistils finally gather in some male pollen, and you know how to avoid this now that you have guaranteed females, in the clones etc...

Enjoy the nice yield you will get if you keep doing what you have been doing - just recommend a more aggressive nutrient program through flower...

:Djmd,
about seeds, I was just explaining how I came across them and speculating on how it may have happened to begin with.

Thanks again for all the positive encouragement!
Now I am going to cross my fingers and pray for NO HERMIES!!!;)

There's no need to cross ya fingers, you will not get "Hermies".

You have a female there 8182KSKUSH...

Enjoy!

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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH

I promise, it's not the lights or the timer, had one other that remained completely normal, only shot preflowers, never had any accumulating buds.

Please, I would really like some input from EXPERIENCED GROWERS!!!
I know what is supposed to happen in 18/6, that's why I am posting the question.
The other side of this is, I was planning on keeping one as a mum, (in a perpetual veg state) so now I wonder if this is going to be possible?:wtf:

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Before you mentioned nothing of another plant of the same strain remaining in veg. It was a reasonable reaction to think maybe your cycles are screwed up. Skunk #1 is not an autoflowering strain, hence my comment. Sheesh, low post count means inexperienced in your mind?
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jmd: Yeah, there's a possibility of hermaphroditism, as always. Just keep the stress to a minimum to help guard against such transformation :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by SimonMakus

Before you mentioned nothing of another plant of the same strain remaining in veg. It was a reasonable reaction to think maybe your cycles are screwed up. Skunk #1 is not an autoflowering strain, hence my comment. Sheesh, low post count means inexperienced in your mind?
:cool:

jmd: Yeah, there's a possibility of hermaphroditism, as always. Just keep the stress to a minimum to help guard against such transformation :thumbsup:

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Sorry, apparently you are sensitive?
It was more a call for EXPERIENCED GROWERS PLURAL so I could get input from more than 2 people. Thanks for telling me what goes on in my mind though!:thumbsup: Don't be so defensive sheesh.:wtf:

And yes, I am still keeping my fingers crossed!;) No light leaks, not yet, no light accidents! And now I pray!:D

No, not sensitive, observant though. Somehow I don't think your capitalization of experienced growers was an attempt at reaching a broader audience.

My posts were written to gain some more info on your setup to help you, seeing as you're the "new guy," as you put it. A fucked up timer is not the craziest thing I've heard of happening.

Getting defensive? Nope, just setting this straight.

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Originally Posted by SimonMakus

jmd: Yeah, there's a possibility of hermaphroditism, as always. Just keep the stress to a minimum to help guard against such transformation :thumbsup:

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Heya SimonMakus, thanks for the heads-up on the marijuana hermaphrodite, I haven't needed to research anything relating to hermaphrodites as yet.

My understanding (Approx 5 weeks casual research) is that, if I have taken a clone from a mothering plant, I would be guaranteed a female...

I've just been researching growing from clones, so you can prob see why I'm not up-to-speed on the hermaphrodite strain/defect/confused plant - grin...

Would it require very high levels of stress for a marijuana plant to turn hermaphrodite, when using clones from mother plants?

I can kind of see how u can get these hermaphrodites using seed etc...

This is fun, learning something new, especially if it's an interest - gotta luv it!

Cheers!

Some strains will develop male flowers at a lower level of stress than others. That's to say, some are pretty tolerant, some will seed up on ya with a few minutes of light during the dark cycle.

You are right to assume a female plant will produce female clones, but there are no guarantees against hermy-ing (lol) unless you take all the precautions to make your plants as healthy and happy as possible. I swear I remember a thread titled "hermies in action"... I think it was here but when I do a search I'm getting nothing. Maybe I'm crazy?

Anyway, just search for hermaphrodite and the effects of stress on cannabis. My advice, read everything about everything, and don't stop even when you think you have everything dialed in. Innovation exists for a reason ;)

Stinky is very keen on keeping her babies happy, maybe she'll chime in at some point. I saw she posted on another thread pointing out a (possible, but looks like it to me too) pollen sack on a female clone (which would be an even bigger bummer than that happening from seed, and a dead give-away you're doing something wrong.)

Take care, jmd, and keep reading, then once theory turns into practice, read some more :smokin:

Don't forget about "Reverse", I believe that it is supposed to be applied on day 1 of flower, but have read where people have succesfully beat back the herm while "improvising" with it. I need to get some, if not for this one, next time.

Yeah, I've yet to come across the mention of Hermaphrodites when utilising clones from mother plants (In my research that is), but it was some interesting reading (The little I did last night) on the marijuana hermaphodite. Apparently, to the untrained eye, there are even mistakes made due to the look of an aggressive flowering female (Attached pic) can look like pollen sacks...

Simplify, refine and optimise = Beneficial Efficiency grin... Tis all about innovation!

Cheers SimonMakus, thanks!

P.S. Forgot to mention a little experiment, was fun... Took a cutting from a flowering female and managed to revert a healthy clones back to veg mode - cool huuh :)

I've just ventured into hydroponics approx 6 weeks ago, till then, I knew very little. There is soooo much info out there, tis fun - grin!