Obama may face grilling on patriotism

WASHINGTON - Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism.

Now Obama's wife, Michelle, has drawn their ire, too, for saying recently that she's really proud of her country for the first time in her adult life.

Conservative consultants say that combined, the cases could be an issue for Obama in the general election if he wins the nomination, especially as he runs against Vietnam war hero Sen. John McCain.

"The reason it hasn't been an issue so far is that we're still in the microcosm of the Democratic primary," said Republican consultant Roger Stone. "Many Americans will find the three things offensive. Barack Obama is out of the McGovern wing of the party, and he is part of the blame America first crowd."
Obama may face grilling on patriotism - Yahoo! News

Just passin' on the good news.:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

Getting a single snapshot with his hands off his heart could just be selective journalism. I see it all the time, people taking a snippet of an action or a word and completely changing its meaning. As for the American Flag pin, I'd like to hear is side of the story/reasons.



Besides, doesn't it seem a lot more unpatriotic of the republicans to strip away multiple constitutional rights? Since when has upholding the constitution been of secondary importance? Every democratic society that transitions into a dictatorship does so by stripping away rights, one by one, all the name of "protecting" the people.
It astounds me that the American people trust government so much, that giving the government rights to arbitrarily imprison and spy couldn't possibly result in abuse of that power.


Little flag pins and euphamistically-named bills like the "patriot act" don't make a patriot. A president that values the constitution, respects state rights, and looks out for the best interest of the American people and nation, is a patriot.

Might I ask P4B, why the constant attacks on Democrats? Seems we see a good 2-3 treads a day from you attacking dems or Paul, whether it be blunders of staggering proportions, or silly little things like pins and gameshows.

Yet not a single thread on, say, Mike Huckabee who wants to amend the constitution to ban all forms of abortion. Sorry man, but as of late you've been delivering some extraordinarily selective criticism.

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WASHINGTON - Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism.

Now Obama's wife, Michelle, has drawn their ire, too, for saying recently that she's really proud of her country for the first time in her adult life.

Conservative consultants say that combined, the cases could be an issue for Obama in the general election if he wins the nomination, especially as he runs against Vietnam war hero Sen. John McCain.

"The reason it hasn't been an issue so far is that we're still in the microcosm of the Democratic primary," said Republican consultant Roger Stone. "Many Americans will find the three things offensive. Barack Obama is out of the McGovern wing of the party, and he is part of the blame America first crowd."
Obama may face grilling on patriotism - Yahoo! News

Just passin' on the good news.:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

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Freedom of expression.

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Originally Posted by McLeodGanja

OMG he didn't follow a centuries old custom, I think he should have his hand chopped off immediately.

Oh come on you guys! For christ sake at least he wears a suit and tie.

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Chopping-off of hands isn't something we do. Three guesses where they do practice that form of punishment.

I would not want a president that refuses to put his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance or National Anthem. It's disrespectful to the country, and bad for the image of the office. I doubt that he's dumb enough to not know that.

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Chopping-off of hands isn't something we do. Three guesses where they do practice that form of punishment.

I would not want a president that refuses to put his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance or National Anthem. It's disrespectful to the country, and bad for the image of the office. I doubt that he's dumb enough to not know that.

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No offense but that is abso-fucking-lutely crazy.

Patriotism isn't a little flag on your chest or a hand across your heart during the Pledge or Anthem.

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No offense but that is abso-fucking-lutely crazy.

Patriotism isn't a little flag on your chest or a hand across your heart during the Pledge or Anthem.

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Maybe you should join the military when you turn 18, so we'll take your definitions of patriotism more seriously. :D

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Maybe you should join the military when you turn 18, so we'll take your definitions of patriotism more seriously. :D

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What was his definition of patriotism Breukelen? I seemed to miss it. - Oh, right, he didn't give one.

He simply stated that "Patriotism is not a little flag on your chest or a hand across your heart during the Pledge or Anthem."

Thank-you.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

WASHINGTON - Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism.

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What does the flag lapel pin signify? I don't remember actually seeing them on anyone until 9/11, and then everyone wore them for some period of time as a symbol of patriotism and rememberence. After 7 years a lot fewer people wear them. I don't think it is a required item of dress for politicians, is it? I've never been very big on displaying symbols myself. There's nothing wrong with being roud of your country or your religion, but people who make a big deal of their religions or patriotic symbols generally come off as a bit sactimonous and holier-than-thou in my opinion, especially if they criticise you for not doing the same. This whole issue seems idiotic to me. It's like saying someone is not a good Christian because he doesn't have a "Jesus fish" on his car or he doesn't wear a cross around his neck. Being a good Christian or a good American has a lot more to do with what you do than what you wear on your jacket. I also object to the way the article said he "refused" to wear a lapel pin --- there is a big difference between not doing something and refusing to do that thing. I've never worn a lapel flag myself, but that does not mean I refuse to.

And what is the deal with the hand over the heart during the anthem? I was never taught to do that. I was taught to put my hand over my heart during the pledge, not the anthem.

Here's something I found on that topic:
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Barack Obama and the National Anthem

One expert quoted in the article says modern custom does not require a hand over the heart for the anthem.

This kind oof stuff is so moronic. This is one reason why I would never run for any kind of office --- the constant nitpicking about minor, isignificant chickenshit.

I thought that I had heard something somewhere that the photo was in fact a snip it that happened to look like he was being dis respectful, but I actually, shit my pants, agree with, choke, the wizard guy about it.
Not to mention that he has probably lead the pledge in the senate, and if this was a habbit, surely we would have some c-span footage of it.
That being said, I see what you are saying as far as the GOP using that WITH what Mikel Osama said and using it to question his patriotism, but I don't think that is a smart thing to do.

McCain can just challenge him on the integrity of the issues alone and destroy him because he is right and Osama is wrong period.

That's not saying that it won't be "swift boated", but that is not something that is directly in control of McCain, I don't think the GOP should try to go down that road though, they should leave those political tactics up to the demofarts. They are more comfortable with doing things like that, especially because they don't have anything of substance to talk about and they don't want to maybe have to answer a question!:D
1.Rhetoric 2.rhetoric 3.attack 4.rhetoric 5.attack 6.attack 7.rhetoric and oh yeah 8.attack.
(First 10 plays in the democratic playbook, I know there are only 8 but if you argue then you are a facist nazi, so just go along with it it's easier!);)

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What does the flag lapel pin signify? I don't remember actually seeing them on anyone until 9/11, and then everyone wore them for some period of time as a symbol of patriotism and rememberence. After 7 years a lot fewer people wear them. I don't think it is a required item of dress for politicians, is it? I've never been very big on displaying symbols myself. There's nothing wrong with being roud of your country or your religion, but people who make a big deal of their religions or patriotic symbols generally come off as a bit sactimonous and holier-than-thou in my opinion, especially if they criticise you for not doing the same. This whole issue seems idiotic to me. It's like saying someone is not a good Christian because he doesn't have a "Jesus fish" on his car or he doesn't wear a cross around his neck. Being a good Christian or a good American has a lot more to do with what you do than what you wear on your jacket. I also object to the way the article said he "refused" to wear a lapel pin --- there is a big difference between not doing something and refusing to do that thing. I've never worn a lapel flag myself, but that does not mean I refuse to.

And what is the deal with the hand over the heart during the anthem? I was never taught to do that. I was taught to put my hand over my heart during the pledge, not the anthem.

Here's something I found on that topic:
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Barack Obama and the National Anthem

One expert quoted in the article says modern custom does not require a hand over the heart for the anthem.

This kind oof stuff is so moronic. This is one reason why I would never run for any kind of office --- the constant nitpicking about minor, isignificant chickenshit.

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I agree with you in the end it is much to do of nothing. But there are lots of turds that will latch on to it, but yeah it's pretty insignificant, I really don't believe that of all the problems with Berzerk Osama that wheter or not he is a patriot is one of them. I am sure he really has the best of intentions and is probably a very decent human, as much as any left winger can be.;)

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Might I ask P4B, why the constant attacks on Democrats? Seems we see a good 2-3 treads a day from you attacking dems or Paul, whether it be blunders of staggering proportions, or silly little things like pins and gameshows.

Yet not a single thread on, say, Mike Huckabee who wants to amend the constitution to ban all forms of abortion. Sorry man, but as of late you've been delivering some extraordinarily selective criticism.

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This is the election season my friend and it seems that there are plenty of views coming from the left where I really don't have to cover it. Post up a thread regarding McCain and his views on Club Gitmo, torture, or abortion and I'll be MORE than happy to chime in with ya on it. As for Huckabee, why even bother.......at this point he's got a snowballs chance in hell of getting the nomination.

Ya know, there is another site I've looked at that has an administrator that feels that Conservatives are "trolls that get banned". Real nice to exclude 50% of the population from expressing their views without taking into consideration that they also have similar views in the fight for legal marijuana. It'll take action from BOTH parties in order for the movement to progress. LOL....I wonder how many grows some of these intellectual giants have had on their own.

Have a good one!:s4:

The way it sounds the Clinton camp is questioning this also via a picture. LOL...he's all dressed up for his quest on Darfur.

Have a good one!:s4:

obama alredy addressed the issue ofthe lapel pin. when the democratic primarys got into full swing this issue was brought up. he said somthing along the lines of it being a hollow symbol and that a pin does not make a patriot but actions make you a patriot

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he said somthing along the lines of it being a hollow symbol and that a pin does not make a patriot but actions make you a patriot

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It's still a symbol and his comment regarding it some would find offensive. A patriot? LMAO.....he sure is:
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IN GOD WE TRUST! Fat raises for payoffs with OUR tax dollars. :mad:

Have a good one!:s4:

im not quite sure about obama. i do think that what he has donethus far in the presidential race is kind of amazing. there are record numbers of young voters gettimg interested in polotics now that havent been there since the sixtys. you hav to at least give his campaign some credit for this. would these kids be as interested if he was not running? possibly but i dont think so my self. hillary sure as hell dont inspire the 18 - 30 year olds. butas far as him being a patriot.... i aint seen any actions of histhat i could call patriotic. what i was trying to show earlier i that this is old news that seems to be getting rehashed. i beleive that this is hillarys doings and she just cant dig up anymore dirt on him. it just seems that eveything she trys throwin at him he just kinda shrugs off with a smile ends up making her look like the jeolous kid on the playground.

i would like to see this presidential race end up being between mccain and obama. i would like to see mccain win but a defeat to obama i think i could live with. when it comes to hillary i chuck her off in the pile riht along side off mit and guliani, i just can seem to trust them too much. the ony reason i would not vote for mccain is if he chooses mit as a running mate. i would not vote for mit to be the local dog catcher.

He's got the cowboy attitude down pretty good too. I'm telling you, that guy is good!

Wait a min, P4B, the Repuke are not making a killing with these lies of war, making billions in oil profits....geeeez i must be watching something else....they live Operation Iraqi Liberation