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I live in Manitoba canada and i plan on growing some plants indoors until summer. The thing is i dont think the longest daylight time in manitoba even reaches 18 hours (i could be wrong) but anyways would the clones immediately start flowering if i put them outside in early summer and then try to reveg causing a big waste of time?
So, if anyone has some experience doing these, please help us out!!!
Thanks!!!
hey michaelpeg, just to let you know i am no where around your area so i could be totally wrong. I think if you were to veg your plants on 24/7 indoors then stuck them outside they would probably start to flower........depending on your strain and how long it flowers for it could either finish flowering or start revegging.........
i have had experience putting it out and it finished flowering but im here in Texas where we get more sun hours. good luck
thank you very much sir i have been waiting and waiting for a reply, it doesnt matter to me if you are not 100% i just like to see what the majority of people think
if you have a nice oudoors spot you should try a couple if your not sure.....as an experiement. keep us updated on what happens :thumbsup:
Dude- calm down... No need to yell.
Ya got a couple things going on here-Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelpeg
First, the whole 18-6 thing is strictly for human convenience.
We're gonna define a variable " F" which will represent the point at which florigen metabolites trigger primary sexual expression.
Plants only care if photoperiod is >F or <F.
( With the caveat that longer photoperiod allows plant to absorb more energy, and therefore store/utilize more carbohydrates. But that's a whole differant process)
Most plants will show an F value right around 14-15 hours. In other words, for most plants, a 16 hour photoperiod will keep them in veg, if there are no other factors hastening sexual expression ( ie environmental stress, autoflowering or early flowering genetics, prior sexual expression or existant reproductive structures).
Are your genetics typical? I have no idea.
Some early varieties will respond to an abrupt shortening of photoperiod by flowering- usually see this when stuff goes from 24/0 veg rooms outside in the early spring- the shorter photoperiod will trip them. You can take advantage of this to pull an early spring crop at the right latitude with the right cultivar. It's also possible to trigger a plant in a 12/12 indoor environment and then finish the flower outside, though this is really only pracical in temperate if moist climates ( yer putting them out right at the end of rainy season.)
So the answer to your question- most likely not. YMMV
Ya might want to look up your day length say March 1st, June1st, Aug 1st, Oct1st... this is info yer really gonna want to have.
Sheesh it's not like this is an emergency; it's only February, you need to look up your longest day length, you need to get data on how many weeks it takes for your strain to finish, otherwise no one is going to be able to give you a useful answer. Posting threads in other forums to get attention is poor form. I was away all weekend, anyway. I'm merging these.
that confused the shit out of me but i think what you are saying is that it wont start flowering? or maybe i should only start them at lets say 14/10 because i think where i live the max amount of daylight is 16 hours on the longest day so i dont know. maybe i will just grow them inside until the longest day and let em immediately flower outside
No, re-read my post. I never said that.
Both Rhizome and I have told you that you need to look up your day length and your strain flowering time.
Until you do that, any info that anyone gives you for dates, unless THEY decide to look up the Manitoba day length, is not useful.
ok well it seems like the internet doesnt have an answer for the longest day in manitoba some say 17 others say 15 so i dont know and the plants are caramelicious from amsterdammarijuanaseeds.com i know they are an indoor strain but i think they can grow outside
and sorry about the TRYING TO GET ATTENTION!!! lol i just figured most people knew the answers here is my plant info.
DESCRIPTION :
This delicious variety with BIG fat sticky buds and sweety caramel flavour is our favorit after dinner smoke.
Caramelicious has been bred for the last 15 years with great success and happyness.
This indica/sativa hybride is crossed back and selected on her sweety taste and great yield.
A beautifull plant loads of crystals sweety taste and a happy high. This plant is easy to grow - good for beginners.
PLANT INFORMATION :
Quantity : 10 seeds
Type : Indica/sativa
Climate : indoor
Yield : 450 gram / m2
Height : 35 - 65 cm Flowering period : 8 - 9 weeks
Harvest : Early september
Stoned or High : Happy High
THC level : good 17 - 20%
Grow Difficulty : good for beginners
Now look up your first frost date.
This is how I would deal with a long-flowering variety that far north:
Grow indoors until late July.
Give 4 days of complete darkness the last week in July.
Put outdoors August first. The plant should be kick-started into flowering.
Or pick a more appropriate outdoor Canadian strain... Mighty Mite is probably the one you want up north.
lets say i was to buy some Mighty Mite, since it is canadian bred is that saying i should be able to start em outside and they will finish? and september 22 - 26 is aproximately the first frost
You need to do a lot of reading. Mighty Mite is good for very far north because it flowers on anything less than about 20 hours of light, according to several growers posting on other cannabis forums. Google 'mighty mite'. This means it starts flowering, and therefore finishes, earlier than varieties that flower on 13 hours or less.Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelpeg
thank you very much stinky i guess i will be growing mighty mite, im just wondering how you learned so much about growing. did you go to college or something? if you dont mind me asking
I went to college in the field of environmental sciences, specifically fisheries management. It was a hard-science degree (BS not BA) and required a LOT of biology/botany/forestry/ecology/org&evo bio/chemistry classes. One of my jobs during college was working at a big commercial hydroponic greenhouse growing food crops. I didn't even smoke back then and thought it was funny that pot plants kept miraculously appearing in among the veggies, lol. I've always enjoyed gardening though. Skip forward several years and you find me in a soul-sucking indoor job. Gardening is a major way for me to stay sane, lol.
The trick to growing far north is finding hardy, localized strains. Even autoflower lines start to make sense when you get past a certain latitude. Have you ever heard of 'Manitoba Poison'? Might be worht looking into as I believe it is meant to live up there. Double check that it is indeed an outdoor strain. You need an OUTDOOR line developed for early harvest.
hmm no never heard of manitoba poison i will look into it right now and it is good to have such a smarty pants around
well there seems to be a couple "manitoba" plants alrighty i guess i will get some of these instead of mighty mite thanks so much thats all i need to know for this subject.
im going to get a little off topic because i feel i have been starting wayyy to many threads and im sure there are people that dont like that.I want to ask you when is the best time to plant outdoors, on websites they tell me when i should be harvesting such as early september for manitoba poison, what start date does this correspond to? how do they know when i will be able to harvest? Do you think i should start it indoors first? i know you all think i should read up on everything more but i dont find google NEARLY as effective as this site as you guys have first hand experience. sorry
I'm going to move that last to 'outdoor' and get you going in the outdoor section.
How early you start depends more on how much space you have and how big you want your plants to get, and also if you are planning to set out unsexed plants or sexed clones.
If you want to set out sexed clones, you have to start right away and dedicate some indoor space to the project.
I would say that the LATEST you want to set out seedlings would be about July 1, and by then they should have ~5 nodes and be smal vegging plants. Which means planting seeds June 1 at the latest if you are starting outdoors.
i think i will start them outside a fair distance from each other to avoid pollenation. thank you very much i dont know anywhere else i would be able to find that information. you have been very sweet answering all my questions and cleaning up my threads