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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
Al-Qaeda in Iraq faces an ??extraordinary crisis?. Last year's mass defection of ordinary Sunnis from al-Qaeda to the US military ??created panic, fear and the unwillingness to fight?. The terrorist group's security structure suffered ??total collapse?.
These are the words not of al-Qaeda's enemies but of one of its own leaders in Anbar province ?? once the group's stronghold. They were set down last summer in a 39-page letter seized during a US raid on an al-Qaeda base near Samarra in November.
The US military released extracts from that letter yesterday along with a second seized in another November raid that is almost as startling.
That second document is a bitter 16-page testament written last October by a local al-Qaeda leader near Balad, north of Baghdad. ??I am Abu-Tariq, emir of the al-Layin and al-Mashahdah sector,? the author begins. He goes on to describe how his force of 600 shrank to fewer than 20.
??We were mistreated, cheated and betrayed by some of our brothers,? he says. ??Those people were nothing but hypocrites, liars and traitors and were waiting for the right moment to switch sides with whoever pays them most.?
Assuming the two documents are authentic ?? and the US military insists that they are ?? they provide a rare insight into an organisation thrown into turmoil by the rise of the Awakening movement. More than 80,000 Sunnis have joined the tribal groups of ??concerned local citizens? [CLCs] that have helped to eject al-Qaeda from swaths of western and northern Iraq, including much of Baghdad.
Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear' - Times Online
Looks like we got the bad guys on the run.....remember that when ya vote! Why let some asshat fly a white flag when we're on the way to victory?
Have a good one!:s4:
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Looks like we got the bad guys on the run.....remember that when ya vote! Why let some asshat fly a white flag when we're on the way to victory?
:rambohead: POW! POW! Hell yea kill em all! :rambo: AHAHAHAHA... no but seriously that's bad ass the strongest world in the nation only took 5 years to get a bunch of guys "on the run" in a country that didn't even have any kind of army, navy, or air force! :wtf: If anything the fact that it has taken this long should just go to show you that even when we sacrifice billions and billions of dollars and thousands of lives that we still can't even beat a bunch of sand gangsters! :smokin: We'd be screwed if we were facing a real advicary.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Al-Qaeda in Iraq faces an ??extraordinary crisis?. Last year's mass defection of ordinary Sunnis from al-Qaeda to the US military ??created panic, fear and the unwillingness to fight?. The terrorist group's security structure suffered ??total collapse?.
These are the words not of al-Qaeda's enemies but of one of its own leaders in Anbar province ?? once the group's stronghold. They were set down last summer in a 39-page letter seized during a US raid on an al-Qaeda base near Samarra in November.
The US military released extracts from that letter yesterday along with a second seized in another November raid that is almost as startling.
That second document is a bitter 16-page testament written last October by a local al-Qaeda leader near Balad, north of Baghdad. ??I am Abu-Tariq, emir of the al-Layin and al-Mashahdah sector,? the author begins. He goes on to describe how his force of 600 shrank to fewer than 20.
??We were mistreated, cheated and betrayed by some of our brothers,? he says. ??Those people were nothing but hypocrites, liars and traitors and were waiting for the right moment to switch sides with whoever pays them most.?
Assuming the two documents are authentic ?? and the US military insists that they are ?? they provide a rare insight into an organisation thrown into turmoil by the rise of the Awakening movement. More than 80,000 Sunnis have joined the tribal groups of ??concerned local citizens? [CLCs] that have helped to eject al-Qaeda from swaths of western and northern Iraq, including much of Baghdad.
Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear' - Times Online
Looks like we got the bad guys on the run.....remember that when ya vote! Why let some asshat fly a white flag when we're on the way to victory?
Have a good one!:s4:
so what happens if those sunni's we armed and trained end up turning on us..? Another surge???
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by benvortec
:rambohead: POW! POW! Hell yea kill em all! :rambo: AHAHAHAHA... no but seriously that's bad ass the strongest world in the nation only took 5 years to get a bunch of guys "on the run" in a country that didn't even have any kind of army, navy, or air force! :wtf: If anything the fact that it has taken this long should just go to show you that even when we sacrifice billions and billions of dollars and thousands of lives that we still can't even beat a bunch of sand gangsters!
Well, I'm sure that the Brits felt the same way during the Revolutionary war. Since we do have them on the run it's not the time to withdrawl troops.....keep on the offense and let the Iraqi's take over control of the Provinces as we clean them up.
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Originally Posted by Markass
so what happens if those sunni's we armed and trained end up turning on us..? Another surge???
IF they were to turn on anyone it would initially be the Shi-ite. I really think that they've had enough of the killing though. When they side with the so called infidels against Muslim brothers that should be a statement in itself.
Have a good one!:s4:
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Assuming the two documents are authentic
And therein lies the rub....;)
Until some kind of independent (outside of the government) verification happens, I will file this under the other "truths" of this administration:
"Iraq has WMD's"
"Iraq was involved with 9-11"
"Mission Accomplished"
"You're doing a great job, Brownie"
"Our children is learning"
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Well, I'm sure that the Brits felt the same way during the Revolutionary war. Since we do have them on the run it's not the time to withdrawl troops.....keep on the offense and let the Iraqi's take over control of the Provinces as we clean them up.
Clean them up? Sounds like we're working towards a genocide! :wtf:
What gave us the right to go over there and "clean them up"? Certainly not the constitution... only a few neo-conservatives and GOD wants us to be there :cool: lol I understand what you're saying but if this isn't an indicator that we're not as all powerful as we thought we are i don't know what is... its just pitiful. We've spent billions and billions of dollars to kill off one group of people and arm another... in another 20 years we'll proally have to go clean up some more people after they all corrupt and start using their guns (that we gave them) and power for bad.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
And I'm supposed to assume the war is almost over...
...we'll start another war before finishing the last one. :mad:
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
Once upon a time, democracy was a good thing. It was easy to see because Americans were living well.
But with so much discontent in our own system, How can we advocate it to others??
When we are doing great. I will advocate. Until then this is the pot calling the kettle black.
The whole world should live just like us LOL. We've got no place to decide what is "clean".
Country stolen from Native Americans and built on the backs of blacks. How do we still look into the mirror??
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by benvortec
POW! POW! Hell yea kill em all! AHAHAHAHA... no but seriously that's bad ass the strongest world in the nation only took 5 years to get a bunch of guys "on the run" in a country that didn't even have any kind of army, navy, or air force! :wtf: If anything the fact that it has taken this long should just go to show you that even when we sacrifice billions and billions of dollars and thousands of lives that we still can't even beat a bunch of sand gangsters! :smokin: We'd be screwed if we were facing a real advicary.
Your statement kinda makes me miss the good ol' days. Back when we had the draft.
Would you prefer to have gone in and anhilate the entire population?
Or better yet...do nothing? Just let these extremists blow up people all over the world? Would you give them a hand converting all the world to their version of islamic law? You feel the Taliban is right and just in it's philosophy about women, jews, christians? You may want to brush-up on your sharia law. At least you'll know why they are executing you and your family.
Shariah Islamic Law - The Sharia
You have contributed nothing with these statements, except a sense that you have no clue.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
Ha! I bet they are all be hiding in those secret underground bunkers Donald Rumsfeld told us about.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
I was expecting this to be a Faux News article.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by r0k
I was expecting this to be a Faux News article.
And so it was.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Your statement kinda makes me miss the good ol' days. Back when we had the draft.
Would you prefer to have gone in and anhilate the entire population?
Or better yet...do nothing? Just let these extremists blow up people all over the world? Would you give them a hand converting all the world to their version of islamic law? You feel the Taliban is right and just in it's philosophy about women, jews, christians? You may want to brush-up on your sharia law. At least you'll know why they are executing you and your family.
Shariah Islamic Law - The Sharia
You have contributed nothing with these statements, except a sense that you have no clue.
Of course i was being completely sarcastic, i thought that was obvious :cool:... and yes i would have much rather not ever got involved in the war... if it was done it should have been declared like as the constitution states it should be! in fact most americans (majority 70%) believe that we shouldn't be at war.
AND OF COURSE YOU'RE ASKING RIDICULOUS QUESTIONS that are far out of context of anything i said. AND THEN you go as far as to say what will happen to me and my family if the taliban takes over america and comes in my home and kills my family??!!!!! Perhaps you need to hit your meds :stoned:... Bless your heart. I feel sorry for you because you've let our government make you afraid of guys on the other side of the world with NO ARMY,NAVY, OR AIR FORCE!!! HAHAHA You must be delusional if you think that that they'd invade america. And by god i've got the second amendment and guns so if they come to my house they'll be dead before they get up the driveway! :s4: -PEACE
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Your statement kinda makes me miss the good ol' days. Back when we had the draft.
Would you prefer to have gone in and anhilate the entire population?
Or better yet...do nothing? Just let these extremists blow up people all over the world? Would you give them a hand converting all the world to their version of islamic law? You feel the Taliban is right and just in it's philosophy about women, jews, christians? You may want to brush-up on your sharia law. At least you'll know why they are executing you and your family.
Shariah Islamic Law - The Sharia
You have contributed nothing with these statements, except a sense that you have no clue.
The terrsts are comin te get ya! They wanna burn yur women and rape yur churches!
Shit if we wanted to be the moral police of the world we'd be on every continent in the globe fighting. Hell if you're so worried about terrorists why aren't we invading Saudi Arabia (the home of Wahabi Islam, most of the 9/11 hijackers were from here) and Pakistan (Bin Laden's probably location, Peshawar Tribal Region)? Then there is of course the fact that none of the hijackers were Iraqi and Saddam was opposed to Osama.
The Taliban has (and had) about as much of a chance of conquering the globe as I have of becoming President of Mexico.
If you wanna know why they hate us so much (and no its not our freedoms or culture) you need only to look at the past century and our involvement in the Middle East. We have a nasty habit of supporting rather disliked dictators there. Not to even mention most of those that turn to radical Islam are those that see it as a way of fighting our intrusions, whether cultural or physical.
It'd be nice if they would all just go take a hike and let us take all their oil but since that isn't going to happen we might as well solve things in a way that doesn't cost thousands of American lives, hundreds of thousands of civilian lives, and a butt load of money too.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
Regardless of what you think about how we got into this war (stupidly) or how we have conducted it to date (poorly), this development is our best hope of getting out and not leaving behind a complete and total disaster. The Iraqis standing up and deciding not to let a bunch of jihadi nutcases goad them into a civil war is what we have been hoping for for the last several years, and maybe it's finally happening.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by benvortec
Of course i was being completely sarcastic, i thought that was obvious :cool:... and yes i would have much rather not ever got involved in the war... if it was done it should have been declared like as the constitution states it should be!
PLEASE post a link as to where it states that! I can find the one stating that Congress gave the President authorization eazy enough.
Have a good one!:s4:
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by benvortec
I feel sorry for you because you've let our government make you afraid of guys on the other side of the world with NO ARMY,NAVY, OR AIR FORCE!!! HAHAHA You must be delusional if you think that that they'd invade america.
Ft. Dix six ring a bell? How about the Twin Towers? The Pentagon, Shanksville...? Any recollection perhaps of Haroon Rashid Aswat and his attempts to organize a terrorist training camp in Oregon?
Your memory sounds quite clouded with denial. Perhaps this would help:
Memory Training and Memory Improvement Information
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Originally Posted by benvortec
And by god i've got the second amendment and guns so if they come to my house they'll be dead before they get up the driveway! PEACE
Yeah...I'm sure you scare the piss out of 'em. Perhaps enough to avoid you alltogether, and just hit your kid's school instead.
So, in your mind it's perfectly ok for you to have a plan to defend your borders, but not ok for the USA to do the same? Typical selective reasoning. Quite a naive and selfish statement.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
george bush blew up the towers and that was a missle that hit the pentagon, dont you know anything? read the conspiracy thread. oh george bush also blew up the levies in new orleans.
this is sarcasm by the way
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by yokinazu
george bush blew up the towers and that was a missle that hit the pentagon, dont you know anything? read the conspiracy thread. oh george bush also blew up the levies in new orleans.
this is sarcasm by the way
Don't forget about his trip to England when he blew up the subway.:rolleyes:
Have a good one!:s4:
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Ft. Dix six ring a bell? How about the Twin Towers? The Pentagon, Shanksville...? Any recollection perhaps of Haroon Rashid Aswat and his attempts to organize a terrorist training camp in Oregon?
Your memory sounds quite clouded with denial. Perhaps this would help:
Memory Training and Memory Improvement Information
Why would i be in denial? :wtf: This has nothing to do with me personally. YES 9-11 happened. I accept and understand that. However if you're assuming that because they hijacked a few jet planes that somehow because they were successful in that attempt that they will now be successful in invading our country as a whole...? Like i've said over and over again they don't have the means to do so. Without an air force or a navy how will they and all of their weapons get here? Do they plan on swimming across the atlantic? :cool: It's just impractical. It's like saying that Iran is a real threat!
Oh, and way to point out many ATTEMPTS... they are called attempts because they are not successful :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Yeah...I'm sure you scare the piss out of 'em. Perhaps enough to avoid you alltogether, and just hit your kid's school instead.
Unfortunately i don't have any kids! :D And if you're scared about your kids getting shot up at school the only way to do that would be to keep them at home. I'd be more afraid of crazy americans or other kids in the school that are a risk to kids than Osama sneaking in to shoot up a school.
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
So, in your mind it's perfectly ok for you to have a plan to defend your borders, but not ok for the USA to do the same? Typical selective reasoning. Quite a naive and selfish statement.
I don't even know what you're trying to say or prove. I never said America shouldn't secure its borders. My original post was somewhat of a sarcastic response to the original thread. I was trying to make a point that we have not been successful, and by this point we should be much more successful than we are currently.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by benvortec
somehow because they were successful in that attempt that they will now be successful in invading our country as a whole...?
Not what I said. Just because our government uncovered the plots against Ft. Nix, and the terrorist training camp you really believe that those that mean to do us harm are not paying attention? You think they will step-back and say "gee mohammad, Allah may not favor us killing innocent Americans?" Denial.
I am sure glad we have people in office that, thru a co-operative effort between the US and multiple international allies, are hunting down and dealing with those that mean to do us and our allies harm.
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Originally Posted by benvortec
Like i've said over and over again they don't have the means to do so. Without an air force or a navy how will they and all of their weapons get here? Do they plan on swimming across the atlantic? :cool: It's just impractical. It's like saying that Iran is a real threat!
Swim? No, our southern border would do.
Impractical?
A guided missle is pretty cheap:
A few drums of diesel gas: $450.00 (at $3.00 gal)
A couple pallets of ammonium nitrate: free (stolen from local farms)
A rental truck: $29.99 a day. (could even use a legit credit card, gonna die anyways)
A fanatical murderer: 29 virgins.
A martyr video for friends and family: priceless.
Impractical?
You likely won't take my word for it. There's shit-loads of fatwas these jokers come up with, from being ok to lie to infidels, Dhimmi Watch: D.C. Watson: Qur??an in American courts? to killing us infidels altogether.
Summary/Review of Reports Concerning Threats by Osama Bin Laden to Conduct Terrorist Operations Against the United States and/or her Allies - 02 Feb 98 to 16 Jun 98 (includes original February "fatwa")
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Originally Posted by benvortec
I was trying to make a point that we have not been successful, and by this point we should be much more successful than we are currently.
Do I wish we hadn't had to go in? Sure. I'd have voted to invade N. Korea, first.
But how long do you think it takes to stabilize a country? To help them remove the cancer that is islamic extremism? To hunt down those that still plot, still murder, still openly threaten us? Considdering the circumstances the military has been thru, I believe some modicum of respect is definatelly deserved.
Also, had Saddam not convinced his neighbors (and the world) that he had nukes, most of this may have happened differently.
And those spouting crap that we fabricated the Saddam nuke story are factually impared, or suffer from optical rectitis.
Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions, Tells 60 Minutes Former Iraqi Dictator Didn't Expect U.S. Invasion - CBS News
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
Yeah, all the way up to the last paragraph, that's the truth! Hubba hubba!:jointsmile:
What's spaghetti without the sauce? Noodles.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
My good friend who is currently serves over there says that the only reason people are cooperating with us is because we are basically paying everyone(the different tribes and etc.) to behave.
He says nothing is really getting done and alot of these reports are bullshit.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
Well hell, now that we all know the truth, I guess that pretty much wraps it up! Thanks for letting us all know that it's bullshit, according to your friend!:thumbsup:
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by zeitgeist
My good friend who is currently serves over there says that the only reason people are cooperating with us is because we are basically paying everyone(the different tribes and etc.) to behave.
He says nothing is really getting done and alot of these reports are bullshit.
And you didn't get curious enough to check the web for additional info, but preferd to come here and grace us with his insight? Gee...thanks. A little gossip is good for the soul.
Paying everyone? With what...infrastructure? (Hospitals, schools, electricity, water treatment, security...)
https://www.rebuilding-iraq.net/pls/...IEW_041607.PDF
Is this the bribery your "friend" refers to? Or was your "friend" refering to the practice of paying locals for valid info regarding weapons bunkers, criminals, murderers, thiefs and terrorists?
In the states, we call that a reward.
I live in a predominatelly military community, and we often see news stories of our local heros re-upping to go back to be a part of the re-building process. Might want to check the info coming from your "friend" next time, and form your own opinions.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
[quote=Rusty Trichome]And you didn't get curious enough to check the web for additional info, but preferd to come here and grace us with his insight? Gee...thanks. A little gossip is good for the soul.
well if its on the net, it must be true right? unless you have been there yourself, you have no idea what is going on overthere. so why speculate. you just go ahead and believe everything your gov. tells you, be a good little sheep,baaa baaa. i dont know why people argue this stuff. the gov. is going to do what it wants and when it wants reguardless of what the people want.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Not what I said. Just because our government uncovered the plots against Ft. Nix, and the terrorist training camp you really believe that those that mean to do us harm are not paying attention? You think they will step-back and say "gee mohammad, Allah may not favor us killing innocent Americans?"
Denial.
I am sure glad we have people in office that, thru a co-operative effort between the US and multiple international allies, are hunting down and dealing with those that mean to do us and our allies harm.
Swim? No, our southern border would do.
Impractical?
A guided missle is pretty cheap:
A few drums of diesel gas: $450.00 (at $3.00 gal)
A couple pallets of ammonium nitrate: free (stolen from local farms)
A rental truck: $29.99 a day. (could even use a legit credit card, gonna die anyways)
A fanatical murderer: 29 virgins.
A martyr video for friends and family: priceless.
Impractical?
You likely won't take my word for it. There's shit-loads of fatwas these jokers come up with, from being ok to lie to infidels,
Dhimmi Watch: D.C. Watson: Qur??an in American courts? to killing us infidels altogether.
Summary/Review of Reports Concerning Threats by Osama Bin Laden to Conduct Terrorist Operations Against the United States and/or her Allies - 02 Feb 98 to 16 Jun 98 (includes original February "fatwa")
Do I wish we hadn't had to go in? Sure. I'd have voted to invade N. Korea, first.
But how long do you think it takes to stabilize a country? To help them remove the cancer that is islamic extremism? To hunt down those that still plot, still murder, still openly threaten us? Considdering the circumstances the military has been thru, I believe some modicum of respect is definatelly deserved.
Also, had Saddam not convinced his neighbors (and the world) that he had nukes, most of this may have happened differently.
And those spouting crap that we fabricated the Saddam nuke story are factually impared, or suffer from optical rectitis.
Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions, Tells 60 Minutes Former Iraqi Dictator Didn't Expect U.S. Invasion - CBS News
Do you realize that everything we do now will affect us in the future. You should study the blow-back affect. It's alot more complex than just going over there and "hunting down" the mean guys.
I think you've watched one too many movies my friend... oh wait I KNOW NOW! Maybe you're living in a movie... do you know any of these guys?
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AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!
Although you almost had me with the credit card analogy :cool: i still have a question for you. You say that they will take advantage of our souther border? Let me ask you where you think Iraq is. It's not in mexico or south america. They'd still have to swim to mexico with their AK's on their backs. Like i've said they'll either have to have planes or ships to get them here and they have neither. And if you're really concerned about americans safety then you should want the troops at home DEFENDING HOMES AND BORDERS! And what in the fuck gives us the right to go "stabilize" other peoples countries? Maybe you need to lay off the smoke... i think you're getting a little paranoid.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by job1.5
well if its on the net, it must be true right? unless you have been there yourself, you have no idea what is going on overthere. so why speculate. you just go ahead and believe everything your gov. tells you, be a good little sheep,baaa baaa. i dont know why people argue this stuff. the gov. is going to do what it wants and when it wants reguardless of what the people want.
So if one persons remarks fit in with your views or preconceptions, you are confident they must be right? End of story?
With daily reviews of quite a few publications, the preponderance of the evidence points away from this gossip.
Would love to see your any links to back up the statement "only reason people are cooperating with us is because we are basically paying everyone(the different tribes and etc.) to behave.
He says nothing is really getting done and alot of these reports are bullshit."
I'll be waiting with baited breath.
Ben:
Regarding the southern border, and extremists swimming to Mexico...? Yeah...that's exactly how they'll do it.
How about showing some forethought and reality? Global transportation allowed intercontinental enemies to avoid swimming 50 years ago.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
And you didn't get curious enough to check the web for additional info, but preferd to come here and grace us with his insight? Gee...thanks. A little gossip is good for the soul.
Paying everyone? With what...infrastructure? (Hospitals, schools, electricity, water treatment, security...)
https://www.rebuilding-iraq.net/pls/...IEW_041607.PDF
Is this the bribery your "friend" refers to? Or was your "friend" refering to the practice of paying locals for valid info regarding weapons bunkers, criminals, murderers, thiefs and terrorists?
In the states, we call that a reward.
I live in a predominatelly military community, and we often see news stories of our local heros re-upping to go back to be a part of the re-building process. Might want to check the info coming from your "friend" next time, and form your own opinions.
Its definatly not gossip. Ive asked plenty of random soldiers about this and they say its completly true.
Yeah and when I mean paying yes its to help rebuild but there is a shit load of bribery just to keep people from killing each other.
Perfect example he gave me: Someone from tribe A goes and kills someone from Tribe B. To prevent a big as battle that will destroy the city, the US army has to be the police. They convince Tribe B not to retaliate by getting Tribe A to give up the murder + Cash. Thats basically the way shit works over there. Everyone is money hungry
Im not saying its like this in every community but it is where there are still 2+ factions.
And why are you trying to act like my friends info is bullshit when infact you are getting your info the same way? Oh the irony
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
Well ive seen lots of news reports about tribes being bribed with cash to stop killing each other so i think Zeitgeist has a point.Truces over there are held together with cash and lots of it.Alot of the bad guys who were killing Americans are now being paid not too.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
Still nothing but gossip to back up your statements?
Guell I'll do your homework for ya.
The only references backing your side of the story I could find, were on opinion pages. No legit news sources could be found.
Military paying Iraqi citizens to be nonviolent - Opinion
Here's the more rational story: (USA Today News)
U.S. hails Iraq plan to unite security ranks - USATODAY.com
"...Iraq's government will probably be ready to assume control of the local security groups in the middle of next year, Smith said. Until the Iraqis can take over, the U.S. military will keep paying for the groups. Iraq's Finance Ministry has identified $150 million for the program in next year's budget, which must be approved by the National Assembly.
Nearly 60,000 Iraqis, all but 14,000 of whom are Sunnis, have joined the groups, some of which are organized around tribal or neighborhood leaders, according to the U.S. military. They're paid about $300 a month. About 12,000 others are serving without pay.
The Iraqi government eventually wants to disband the local security groups and take 12,000 to 20,000 people into the Iraqi security forces. The remainder would receive job training paid for by the U.S. and Iraqi governments."
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
How is it gossip if somone sees something personally?
Bribery is VERY big in Iraq, I dont care what you think you know.
Iraqi gov. be ready to take control next year?!?! HAHA! What a load of crap. They couldnt control a city themselves much less a whole country
The Iraqi gov. is a freaking joke that wont get anything done
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by zeitgeist
Bribery is VERY big in Iraq
So they have an actual government then. Hell, bribery and politics go hand in hand. Our government calls that Pork Projects or Earmarks.
Have a good one!:s4:
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
So they have an actual government then. Hell, bribery and politics go hand in hand. Our government calls that Pork Projects or Earmarks.
Have a good one!:s4:
In a primarily Muslim country, it is preferable to have "Halal Meat Projects."
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
politicians are all crooks no matter what country they are from.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
Who is America to "clean them up"?
Does the idea that ,maybe,what you hear and what reality is are two different things?
America have already won there war because there goal was to get oil and that was accomplished.
Bush will often say that the reason America invaded Irak is because of them being a dictatorship and having weapons of mlass destruction.Well,the weapons of mass destruction were never found and even if they did have WMD why Are America permitted to have them and not Irak?
And if Georgy Bushy were to invade every country that's a dictatorship then he'd have a lot of war ahead of him:
China,north Korea,Sudan And many many more.
Why doesn't America invade them?
Because they have enough power to defend themselves!
When your kid is playing in the street outside(happily) ,with his friends, when a bomb falls and rips his body into shreads you might understand how the Irakien people feel!
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by nonothinger
America have already won there war because there goal was to get oil and that was accomplished.
PLEASE, post up some links on oil contracts or even permission for exploration by U.S. firms. Haliburton isn't valid either since their ONLY mission has been to repair pipelines NOT to either pump oil or explore for new resources.
Have a good one!:s4:
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by nonothinger
When your kid is playing in the street outside(happily) ,with his friends, when a bomb falls and rips his body into shreads you might understand how the Irakien people feel!
1. It's not very smart to play in the street, or if you have kids, it's not smart to send them out to play in the street, just not safe!:jointsmile:
2. If you do send your kids out to play in the street, then be sure to explain to them that when they here the loud high pitched whistle, they better run, or just bend on over and kiss their ass good bye because it's all over! :jointsmile:
3. Where the hell is this "Irak" and who the hell are "Irakien people?" Are we involved in a war on another planet or something?:jointsmile::D
4. The concern about how these Irakien Beings or whatever feel when their kids are playing in the street and get blown to pieces, I doubt they feel anything, if it's anything like the stuff they were dropping in Iraq, I doubt they feel anything!:D
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
PLEASE post a link as to where it states that! I can find the one stating that Congress gave the President authorization eazy enough.
Have a good one!:s4:
We are not in a time of war.
We are bankrupt because everyone wants to play soldier :rambohead::rambo::admin2::apachecopter::s4:
There is no war on drugs.
There is no war in Iraq.
There is no war on terror.
Congress, not congress giving Bushy Jr. permission, but Congress itself must declare war.
The correct term is "police actions"
America's economy is not a lil' slow 'cause were at war gettin' the bad guys.
America is bankrupt because they spend too much money playing soldier when there is no war.
