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The idea of this thread is a grow log of sorts, except instead of all those numbers and words and other phooey, it will be primarily pictures! There is another post in here (Pictures) that has the same strain in vegetative, but this thread is all flower. All pictures will be sized to 1024x768 (or 768x1024) for size reasons from their native resolution at 3264x2448.
This is the Blue Apollo strain from Joey Weed, courtesy of Hemp Depot.
Day 1 - Introduction to 12/12 (01/06/2008)
Week 1 (01/13/2008)
Week 2 (01/22/2008)
Week 2 - Part 2 (01/22/2008)
Week 2 - Part 3 (01/22/2008)
Week 2 - Part 4 (01/22/2008)
Week 2 - Part 5 (01/22/2008)
Are we allowed to talk or is it like the library? :confused:
nice looking plants.... they look reallly heathly!
keep up the g00d work, sport.
:jointsmile:
Of course you can talk (especially compliments :D)Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
I just am not going to post all of the nutrients, PPM, pH, etc. unless someone wants to know. I always like threads full of pictures of flowering plants so I wanted to make one.
Very nice lookig plants bro :)
Do U realize that U R gunna harvest an ass load of good bud.
and I have just 1 Q. what kind of light U got them under?
and I'd say U R doing a great job.:thumbsup: :jointsmile:
They run under a digital 600w HPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by hydrocannabis
That DWC you are running? I like that Blue Apollo......I remember the photo you had of her in veg. :thumbsup:
DWC is indeed how they sit. 12 clones are placed into a homemade DWC tub that holds about 5 gallons of nutrients. They are fitted to plumb into a 20 gallon reservoir but are isolated now and will remain so unless their future needs change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
I, too, am becoming more of a fan of this strain. I'm going to post in a second pictures of day 17 into flower, so about two weeks in. They buds are already starting to thicken up and there is a decent amount of trichome-covered leaves (which surprises me for two weeks into flower).
Day 17 (01/23/2008)
Already some decent trichome-covered leaves.
Ok so now I just thought of 2 more last questions since I am also doing a DWC grow.
Q1: What is the set up like inside tub. like air stones, or whatever.
Well if U do use airstones then I was worndering how many is in UR 5 gallon tub.
Q2:and also was worndering what ferts U use both veg and flower. And if its good for hydro growin noobs cakes?
:jointsmile: :thumbsup: like me.
i'd love to know what nutes you are using and your numbers, etc.....so maybe you could put some phooey in for us geeks? :D
I do see a few trichs starting along the leaf edges. :thumbsup:
There are three tubs and each is set up with a different air-delivery device. One tub uses a 3' air diffuser (the flexible type that holds the shape you bend it to), one uses two 18" regular wally-world air stones, and the third is using the micro-pore ceramic stones. He wanted to do a bit of experimentation to see if any one worked better than the other and so far, there isn't much of a difference. We definitely won't use the regular stones again because of their propensity to degrade over time, and the micro-pore ceramic stones are costly. I really like the diffusers and coincidentally, I was told by my local hydro shop that they stopped carrying them because they thought they were too much of a 'just for looks' device (which I questioned him about because I like them so much). I believe that most of the oxygenation occurs at the top where the air bubbles agitate the surface, so anything thats puts out a decent amount air should work.
This strain is running on General Hydroponics Flora series. I like them because they are simple, while at the same time allowing for infinite tuning of the nutrient mix. I'm following Latewood's schedule (my respect to him wherever he is now) with some minor changes. The flowering formula was started at around 700ppm the first week, in transition from vegetative at around 1400ppm. Now, at Day 17, they are sitting in 1560ppm and loving every bit.
I had read a bit on the blueberry strains before we chose the Blue Apollo and found that everyone recommended low nutrient levels; however, these plants have loved everything I've thrown at them and are growing magnificently. When they started in flowering, the tallest was about 6" and shortest about 4". About ten days in, they were all at about 30", which is the most stretch I have ever seen, ever. Now that they are budding, they are growing visibly each day.
For the last week they have also been getting a daily, liberal dosing of H2O2 to nip my fungus gnat problem in the bud. Once the problem is gone they will probably get it two times a week.
What do you consider the ideal ph for your system? As far as diffusers go....I know from aquariums that it's all about moving the air....the only real way it's being oxygenated is by the surface contact with the air above.....more agitation leads to more surface contact so how you move the air is less critical than just getting it done imo.
Your stuff looks great! I kind of remember my DP blueberry as loving nutes.....especially in flowering but was just too couchlock for me. This is stuff definitely looks more sativa-ish.
What dose of H202 do you use if I may ask?
whats the genotype?
We try to keep the pH at 5.8. Without using the recirculating system, the 5-gallon tub moves up about .2-.4 a day, so I usually drop it to 5.6, let it rise to 6, and then repeat. Starting around week 4-5, we will drop the pH to about 5.4 to get more of the important flowering nutrients.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
I completely agree with you on the surface-agitation causing the oxygenation and liked the diffusers because they are flexible and output a lot of air very uniformly.
Usually, we use H2O2 (35%) as a supplemental source of oxygen at about 3ml per gallon of water (so 15ml for the 5 gallon rez), twice weekly. Because of the recent fungus gnat problem, we've upped it to about 4-5ml per gallon, every single day. There was a while that I didn't go to my friend's house, trusting that he was keeping everything in good shape. When I went to help him change out the reservoir one day, there must have been a thousand fungus gnat larvae. He had been keeping plant-scrap material in the flowering room which gave the gnats a base to start breeding.... that's what I get for slacking and being lazy.
I mentioned in an earlier post that these things have stretched hard, and oh, have they stretched. They started at 4-6" and 2.5 weeks later are all at about 36". Because of this, we have to deconstruct the shelving system they are on and make some adjustments. As of now, the colas are smack against the glass for the HPS hood. Luckily, being air-cooled, it's not too much of a problem, but it's becoming one.
On a final note, Weedhound, what do you use for a PK booster in bloom? It's been years since I've had anything to do with a grow and I have never used a bloom booster. I know you run a nice hydro setup, so whats the deal?
Hmmmm, phenotype maybe? Whether genotype or phenotype, I don't know. I don't know enough about the parents to make a call, but I would suspect that these clones' mother was the blueberry pheno growth-wise. She was a very indica-dominant plant, with much of the purples and reds from the blueberry side. I'm curious which of the two it will follow bud-wise, but will have to wait and see..... sigh.Quote:
Originally Posted by fUNKYcDOG
Well alot of what I do with my plants is because my hydro guy told me to so as far as bloom enhancers I use Hydroplex because it works with the rest of the Botanicare nutes I like. Couldn't tell you which one is the best out there but I'm sure others will pop in with their opinions of which ones made their plants the size of christmas trees. I probably WOULDNT tell you to use the hydroplex unless you are using the whole Botanicare series. ;) Pretty helpful so aren't you glad you asked? :D
Ha ha, already banging on the glass are they? Hope you don't go over there one day and find they've swallowed your light altogether....OR....:eek:...your FRIEND!
To be honest, I may end up using the Hydroplex as you did because the local shop carries tons of Botanicare. I was going to use Canna PK 13/14 because I've never seen anyone say anything bad about it, but I think I may opt for something else. I'm heading over the shop tomorrow and I'm gonna pick the owner's brain until it bleeds :) Hopefully, it will pay off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
Well I could see it paying off for you......your hydro man however...:eek:. Bleeding hydro guys sound like the kind of thing that could get you permanently banned from your local store. ;)
Hey that give me an idea for a new nute.....Blood of hydro guy.....BHG...hmmm....I'll get back to you. :D
You're all set to continue the log here where the pic upload function works!
Keep it up, it's a nice log!
Merci beaucoup mon ami, my log can continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
Day 22 (01/28/2008)
They are now running with Botanicare's Sweet and Hydroplex, some molasses even though it's early. Total solution is, per gallon: 2, 8, and 16ml of GH Flora series Grow, Micro, and Bloom, 5ml Liquid Karma, 5ml Sweet, 5ml Hydroplex, 15ml molasses. The total comes up to about 1450ppm.
Day 22 - Part 2 (01/28/2008)
Day 22 - Part 3 (01/28/2008)
Here are some pictures and a small video showing the tub aerated with wally-world airstones. Even with the molasses and other organic additives, the bubbles are still clean and clear, and the reservoir is clean and gunk-free.
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4ezLeS3teE[/YOUTUBE]
Gainesville can you put up a link to said diffuser? That is moving some air with no joke.
I really love the third set of photos with the natural ligting. They look great. :thumbsup:
I'm a terrible photographer who got a new digital for Christmas. Since I have little idea what I'm doing, I take about 2-300 pictures each time I go over to his house. Out of these 2-300, I get maybe 30 good pics and I post different ones in different lighting so everyone can get their fill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
The tub in the pictures/video is using the 18" airstones from the big W-mart. It's on an Eco-Air four-outlet pump, with two outlets for each of the two tubs. The diffusers worked really well in the vegetative bubblers but when it came to the thicker, more concentrated flowering nutrients, they were too restricted. The cheap airstones work well, but will disintegrate, so we need to order some of the ceramic micro-pores to replace them with.
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I can't post this in pictures, so I'll throw them in here. Check out these pics of a buddy's recent crop. He harvested early for appearance, but the buds still have a nice, sedate factor. Urea with pine for smell, and also for the taste on inhale and exhale. It was perfectly dried, almost perfectly cured (could have used another week), and de-freakin'-licious.
I think I'd be quite happy with those buds......week away from perfection or not. :) They have quite a lovely crystal coating on them that looks....well....RICH for lack of a better term :cool:
So I went and looked up the bendable bubble wands.....then went back and looked up the ceramic micro-pores so that I could have some basic idea of what was going on. I love Google.
In thinking now it was not smart of me to equate a fishtank and oxygenating the water as the same thing as getting air to the plants roots. I now PONTIFICATE :jointsmile: that the more diffused bubbles you can get going in there absolutely the better for your plants.
Thoughts.? :D
Day 24 (01/30/2008)
The molasses that was added a few days ago has 'gunkified' everything. I pulled the lid with plants off of the reservoir and noticed it was markedly heavier than usual, so I looked down and saw the roots were encased in clear goo.
I changed out the reservoir and put back everything but molasses, with extra Sweet to make up for it. The roots were rinsed to remove most of the goo, and put back in the system. I added some H2O2 today to help with the goo, but unfortunately I forgot that I had already added Liquid Karma... so I killed off a lot of the beneficial microorganisms... sigh
At least they still look pretty.
Day 24 - Part 2 (01/30/2008)
gainseville I use H202 and LK together....I never remember hearing talk about not using them together and have never had a problem. Now the zyme products and H202.....different story.
Looking very sativa there....long, fine leaves and nice color. :thumbsup:
I tried molasses in my system once......the result was a FREAKIN' HORROR and I've never done it since.
I was reading on their website that the two shouldn't be used together because of the microorganisms in the the LK. It still has plenty of other good stuff, so it's all good.Quote:
gainseville I use H202 and LK together....I never remember hearing talk about not using them together and have never had a problem. Now the zyme products and H202.....different story.
The leaves look very sativa at the top, but once they've grown a few days, they fatten up into a wide indica. I'll photograph some of the larger ones next time.Quote:
Looking very sativa there....long, fine leaves and nice color. :thumbsup:
I'm still determined to try it, but I'll experiment a day or two before a reservoir change so I don't have any extra effort if it happens again. I tried a full 15ml (tablespoon) of molasses for every gallon. Next time, I'll try 5ml per and see how it goes. I really want to give the Sweet/molasses combination every chance to wow me.Quote:
I tried molasses in my system once......the result was a FREAKIN' HORROR and I've never done it since.
I found the info on their website, Botanicare FAQsQuote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound