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trying this again. growing jack herer x bubbleberry in pure LED. these plants wont see any white light from seed to bud. tried posting pics once...so here we go again. questions or comments gladly answered. Dont think its been done quite like this before. ;) wish me luck!
whiskeytango
SnSstealth
o i see them now :thumbsup:
nice man cnt wait to see the plants get big :jointsmile:
im tagging along on this one :thumbsup:
your setup looks really cool:thumbsup: What are the specs on those lights?
they are procyon 100's. just came out. exspensive as hell, but they supposedly equal a 600 HPS...time will tell!!!!!
ill keep ya posted buddah
Wow 600 a peice?! You must have some money to burn, they do look ultra bright, but only time will tell. I will definately keep and eye on this one, for once a definative LED grow. Dont let us down!
BTW explain alittle about those ozone fans, never seen those before.
they are an expensive investment, but my entire grow pulls onlt 425W....also 8 hours into their cycle, temp only went up 3 degrees with these lights...steady temp is 72 and humidity is 47
I'm not sure which one of the 4 threads you started I should be posting in, so I'll take a stab at this one. I am really glad you are doing an all LED grow, and I am very much looking forward to seeing the results. I hope you don't give up and go for yield and decide to add some more lights once you see they are not doing so great in flowering. I have yet to see an all LED grow that produces much of anything. I hope you can be the first to show me one.
SantaClawz, ozone generators are supposed to help reduce odor.
Good luck.
thanks opie, i guess we will see. we have done quite the extensive research ob this subject, and the procyon supposedly took care of the stretching issue. they changed to release date twice, which tells me they wanted to make sure they got it. ryan from HGL was VERY helpful with all our questions before the lights release. we put ALOT into this, so i sure as hell hope it goes good...lol will have more pics up sun.
whiskeytango
SnSstealth
sorry about the many posts...lol, just gettin the hang of the site...lol
the ozone generator has a UV light that emits negative ions. the negative ions or O3, ozone, is then blown about the room through the fan. the negative ions attach to scent particles and basically cancels them out. smell away......yay
just make sure you dont look at the light or leave it on too long. too much ozone can make you sick, its really irritating to your eyes and lungs
sorry guys...lol...lil baked. just take the words "negative ions" out of the last post...all 3 of em, i was explaining the ozone generator, and started adding an ionizer to the mix....
Well I don't have a single clue about LED lighting so could you give us a brief overview? And are you seriously saying you've spen $1800 for these lights? WOW!
Hey Weedhound,
The basic theory is that plants, marijuana in particular, use certain wavelengths(mainly blues & reds) of light to perform photosynthesis much more than others(greens and yellows). Typical hid lights seem to have lots of yellows and greens and levels down at the ends of the spectrum where the blues and reds are. I realize all bulbs are different so some will have more than others. So led growing is really trying to get the same yields/growth from nominal hids in order to drop many risk and cost factors (much less power, almost no heat). again thats what we believe is the basics...while blazed.
Here's a much more scientific explanation.
http://growled.se/docs/Growled_brochure_oct.pdf
Don't worry about the ad read from page 3 on. But the lights in the procyon are far more developed than in this brochure.
Yes we spent $1800, but IF they work for half of their projected lifespan the costs of bulb & ballast replacement, power for lights and cooling in hid will be far more economical. And it is really for research purposes, if people do the same thing over and over then the field as a whole stops evolving.
Thanks for your interest,
Doughboy
SnSstealth
I'm tuning in!!! Looking forward to seeing something spectacular!!! Well, HOPEFULLY!!
This is very interesting. I'll be watching this one closely. I really hope you succeed. Good luck!
Procyon-100 100W LED Grow Light - HomeGrownLights.com
I like these lights. Their website claims they're equivalent to a 400w HID and only use 125 watts. Seems like a bargain to me if they work as well as they claim.
Very interesting, I'll be keeping tabs on the progress. If it works well I just might have to buy a new toy......
strangely, the led ufo uses 90w, claims to also be equal to 400w hps, and got glowing reveiws in high times. hope this can match it.
yes, leds will pay off within 1-2 years of use. just saving 300w each for 12 hours a day is like 200-400$ a year savings
Well I read up on the link.....I'll keep an eye on this log as well and see what those lights do for you. :)
seems like a real good idea
It is, and it has been a good idea for several years. The problem in the past has been that LED lighting cannot come close to producing the same buds that an HPS can, using somewhere close to the same wattage. On the upside, they consume very little power and put off very little heat compared to HPS. Therefore despite the high initial cost, they would pay for themselves within a few years if they produced similar results. At this point the only way to produce similar results is to basically wrap a plant completely in high power LED arrays, which I'm guesstimating would cost around $4,000 to $6,000 for an average size flowering plant. Nobody has been willing to shell out this kind of money so far, so we have not seen any worthwhile buds so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by 420F4i
Attention: This is changing monthly and soon many people will be tossing their high power, high heat lights in exchange for LED lighting. Within a few years LED lighting will be the norm for everything. Not incandescent, fluorescent, HID, or Xenon, or whatever that new one is. Just look at how LEDs are taking over flashlights and vehicle lighting.
Did you know that many branches of government have "seen the light" and are changing as much lighting as possible to LED? Even now common lighting is less expensive in the long run using LEDs. There are many cities across the U.S. that have mandated that all sign lighting be lighted solely with LED lighting.
Soon it will happen for grow lighting as well. I'm not talking about regular growing either, because LED's do just fine at making plants grow. I'm talking about the bloom cycle, and grow lighting that produces big beautiful, dank, dense buds. I'm hoping SnSstealth can be the first to make it happen. So there.
I'm in.....but it's not my $1800.....just my nose.....:D
Keep this up to date. I can probably design and make these for a fraction of the price. The LEDs are dirt cheap usually and PCB are cheap if bought in high quantity.
Having one panel with 1000 LEDs should be better aswell.
There's nothing complicated about them. Getting a case produced for it to make it look nice so on could be the highest price associated.
I was thinking about making my own arrays as well. I'm trying to figure out some way to kind of encase a MJ plant in LED's. Maybe some modular hexagon shape boards that you can just add to in series as the plant grows.
try to respond to a few here...the LEDs in the procyon are CREE XLAMPS... not cheap at all...and they are tuned frequency wise...HGL tried MANY combinations of blues and reds to get it down. I read the UFO article, but the comparisons ive see of the 2 say the procyon blows the UFo away, their 600w comparison may be off, because they claim it covers a 10 x 10 area, which is more like 1kw, and they only have 54 LEDS...so 1000 would be insane!...lol and weedhound, gimme some positive juju man!!!..LOL, just bullshitting, i can tell you have done your homework too, i was not a believer in the current LEDs till i talked to RYAn over at HGL...i hope this works too man, cause this could, no will, revolutionize growing for all of us, and im very glad to be part of it. succeed or fail...we are taking one for the team...lol, and soil, hydro, HID, or LED any help from you guys i can use to apply. the LEDs are causing slower water uptake due to nice low heat...keep up the comments, questions and suggestions guys....
posts may be by myself, whiskeytango, or doughboy, my partner in this adventure
peace and pot,
:stoned:
whiskeytango
SnSstealth
Procyon-100 100W LED Grow Light - HomeGrownLights.com
You are right that they may not be that cheap, since hitting the right wavelength is the issue with standard LEDs/plus lumens.
I take it this is the product Procyon 100 [Procyon 100] - $600.00 : Buy LED Grow Lights, Procyon 100
It seems to use smt leds it seems.
56 CREE* Xlamp high power LEDs (40 635nm, 16 470nm)
I'll try to resource this a bit more.
Cree reports lab development of 86-lumen LEDs - compoundsemiconductor.net
Two years old news report.
"indicates that the LED industry is at least two years closer than previously predicted to achieving the "holy grail" of 150 lumens per watt." If that's true that's pretty much as good as HPS of course wavelengths will become an important factor, but hopefully its not too far into the future.
If you guys dont want me spamming LED info just let me know. :jointsmile:
LEDs generally have a more focused beam than regular lights. I would think that would allow you to have them farther from the plants. That could be good because then you could fit more of them, a lot more of them. Im envisioning a small circular room where the walls emit light from every point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
Actually, you want them close to the plants, since the amount of light greatly decreases as you move them back, even more than other lights. As far as a more focused beam, you can find LED's in 15 to 180 degree beams. Maybe even more by now I don't know. Some are more focused, some aren't. You are going to need to encase a plant in LED arrays to get any kind of decent yield. I'm thinking close and wide beams, not far and narrow beams.
hes right. if the lights are 2X further away, 1/4 the light reaches/hits the plant (Inverse square law)Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
on the tomato experiment with the procyon on greenpinelane, sfortier kept his around 24 in from the tops, im at about 20, dont seem to be stretching bad....will have new pics up sun...gonna do pics once a week till i have enough posts on here...lol..i can take pics if anyone wants something specific....pic of the LED array or whatever...thanks for stopping in guys...
whiskeytango
SnSstealth
Paving the way for new indoor grows all around the world! Good luck stealth ill be watching close:thumbsup:
Me too. I hope you do good. I would love to switch to an all LED grow.
alright guys....these pics are one week old sprouts. lookin good so far, had a few stretching a little bit, but just moved some pots around and they are fine.....
whiskeytango
SnSstealth
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yay....looks like i have graduated to not using photobucket.....lol...babies lookin good so far, had lil stretch scare on a few, but just moved plats around and they are fine.last night i started adding fox farm big bloom.
Excuse me if this has been answered, but where exactly are these plants being grown? in a custom made box? do these LEDs cover up to a 10 x 10 area each?
well any pic without the led's on...crappy pix...
the plants are in a 2x8x10 closet. lined it in mylar. yea, HGL says each light covers 10x10, but we are using 3 of them. and sorry about the pics, but im trying to preserve the integrity of a pure LED grow. dont want them to touch white light. ill try differant light settings on the camera. its a 8.1megapixel cybershot. any ideas on getting a better pic let me know. And to weedhound, cmasfca, opie and rock, my bad about the forum ettiquite, ill get it down. thanks for the interest in the grow guys, ill keep updates current. if anyone wants to know red/blue ratios, or Nm, layouts, whatever, ill let ya know. $600 is hella lot for a light, so hopefully i can answer any questions before someone wants to get one.
whiskeytango
SnSstealth
I'm guessing you'll be able to at least see whats in the pics once the plants get bigger. Those babies are still, well, babies and are tiny. Hope to see this entire log, all the way to the END. Keep us posted !!!! :stoned::stoned::stoned:
looks good stealth, ill be watching as i too am very interested in the led growing lights. Do they each have their own reflector?:jointsmile:
no worries dude, 'learning curve', i'll give ya a pass ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SnSstealth
and I'll shuffle ur Q over here, and answer it. :cool:
when to train? basically, when tall enough. prolly 4-8 nodes, depending on growth.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnSstealth
should u top? thats a personal call, it will theoretically add 2 weeks to ur cycle, 1 week repair, i week recovery to point u were at b4 the cut. thats not nesesarily a bad thing, just a thing to consider.
also, its a question of strain, grow characteristics, and ur space.
i would say if ur gonna go LST or Scrog, u would want to top once or twice, but, im no expert. Topping will help them stay lower and bushier.
I've reviewed ur setup and log and am confused.
These r babies dude, why r u using bloom nutes?
again, i'm no expert, BUT u need veg nutes first.
I'm not familiar with this strain, and certainly no idea how these funky lites will effect your grow, but, i would think u need about 5-7 weeks dedicated to the veg cycle b4 u start pushing them to bloom.
and to be candid, these pix suck man,,,,welll,,,,unless i was trippin.
dont be so crazy bout "no white lite".
get us some decent pics so we can see whats goin on.
There was better lighting in the pix from the Mars lander:wtf:
a 2 minute change in lighting (especially this early in veg stage) is no big deal, really;)
as to how to assemble the scrog, I am a total novice and only experimenting myself.
if u have the area to install it semi permanent, i would do it something like Opie or MVP are doing it.
but, here's another consideration to keep in mind.
these LEDs ur pimpin are a serious wild-card in my book. u may be one of the first to try it. i havent seen em. (personally, considering cost, i woulda 'passed' and spent that kinda coin on something proven, but thats just me)
Now, considering the LEDs r an unknown factor, I would do a couple la-naturale, and a couple LST. Why LST? IMHO thats a bit easier to manage and shuffle the pots in ur type of a setup. Again, thats just my opinion, i got a belly button too;)
either way, those babies need WEEKS of growth b4 u think about doin anything like manipulating their growth.
ok, that should give ya somethin to gnaw on for a while:D
btw- i aint hatin on ya n ur lites. sometimes its just easier to say it straight, rather than sugar-coating my thoughts.;)
long as u aint wearin a man-skirt, we should be cool:thumbsup:
keep goin n keep us updated.:D
I've never seen a pink grow before.....