your political party/philosophy?

so whats your affiliations? beliefs?

im a independant right now, i may join the green party cause i belive in much of its social policy, i did however vote nader last year cause i believe in that guy. i would however consider voting democratic depending on the candidate, i like dean, kennedy, and kusinich (s/p?) as well as a few others, id be a registered dem if the party wasnt full of a bunch of folks wanting to win by acting republican, thats right fuck joe liberman and those 'conservative' or 'moderate' (moderates another word for being a pussy) dems.

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Originally Posted by juggalo420

so whats your affiliations? beliefs?

im a independant right now, i may join the green party cause i belive in much of its social policy, i did however vote nader last year cause i believe in that guy. i would however consider voting democratic depending on the candidate, i like dean, kennedy, and kusinich (s/p?) as well as a few others, id be a registered dem if the party wasnt full of a bunch of folks wanting to win by acting republican, thats right f*ck joe liberman and those 'conservative' or 'moderate' (moderates another word for being a pussy) dems.

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Howdy juggalo420,

If either one of us had any common sense,we'd be voting Libertarian..the Green party is not as much for marijuana reform and legalization,as the Libertarians..I think.

In case ya haven't figured it out yet-I'm a Republican and a conservative Christian,traditional values, type of feller. I have been voting for Libertarian judge candidates in my area,in the hopes that it may make a difference.

You have chosen the far-left,as your peers..pretty daggum sad,because the far-left lunatic fringe,wants to make the terrorists into heroes,pretty much hates America and believes that there's little need for morality or honor,duty and country.

I love America,and believe in American ideals and principles,and have served my country,as a soldier,in defense of America and it's ideals and principles. I believe that abortion is murder,I believe in the in-alienable right to keep and bear arms,I believe the war on drugs is a failure and the war on terror,is needed and critical.

Dang Torog, that makes me want to sing god bless America or something. Maybe pledge to the flag too! LOL! No really man, break out the flag so's we can salute the thing after a speach like that. Jeez man, sometimes you can really lay it on thick.

I hope your good and stoned this morning, I am! Some liberal weed from Kalifornication. MMMMMM,mmmmmm!!!!!! It's farm trout man. Errrrr, I mean far out. True two hit shit, and I am on my second bowl this morning. Stoned is not really a strong enough word for it. Blasted is getting closer to the way I feel right now.

Now they are saying the middle of march!!! It's getting to be kind of a joke at this point. I think I am going to call a law dog down there and see if I can get some cheap help so I don't have to go back. Seems like I am supposed to be tried in a reasonable and timely fashion, yet they can't even tell me if they are going to charge me or not, or when my court date is.

Toker

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Dang Torog, that makes me want to sing god bless America or something. Maybe pledge to the flag too! LOL! No really man, break out the flag so's we can salute the thing after a speach like that. Jeez man, sometimes you can really lay it on thick.

I hope your good and stoned this morning, I am! Some liberal weed from Kalifornication. MMMMMM,mmmmmm!!!!!! It's farm trout man. Errrrr, I mean far out. True two hit shit, and I am on my second bowl this morning. Stoned is not really a strong enough word for it. Blasted is getting closer to the way I feel right now.

Now they are saying the middle of march!!! It's getting to be kind of a joke at this point. I think I am going to call a law dog down there and see if I can get some cheap help so I don't have to go back. Seems like I am supposed to be tried in a reasonable and timely fashion, yet they can't even tell me if they are going to charge me or not, or when my court date is.

Toker

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Howdy LT,

Yup..I do have a tendency to lay it on thick(shhh..maybe they won't figure it out..lol).

Daggum..the middle of March ? That just plain sucks..if it wouldn't rock the boat too much,I'd suggest contacting the AG office of Texas,and request some intervention..but pulling rank on the local DA,would probably do more harm than good.

Have a good one....:)

torog, do you support the FTAA and UNESCO and selling out american sovereignty too, like bush does?

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torog, do you support the FTAA and UNESCO and selling out american sovereignty too, like bush does?

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Howdy pisshead,

No sir..I don't like selling out American sovereignity,but at least we got ourselves a president,who doesn't make heroes out of the jihadists..and who understands who the enemy is..and knows that waging a 'sensitive' war on terror..will result in emboldening the terrorists..I've said it before-America needs a redneck Texan to kick ass and take names..not some daggum wimpy,girlie-man.

enjoy world government and your national id card then as america crumbles around you and you cheer it on.

this has nothing to do with left and right.

Excuse me but I dont think Kerry is a girlie man...

VIETNAM WAR VETERAN WOUNDED SEVERAL TIMES....

BUSH WAS TOO BUSY SNORTIN COKE DRINKIN AND SKIPPIN DRILL

GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT KID

I MEAN THE GUY IS A FUCKIN ASSHOLE.....

gee torog your starting to sound a little like that wackco guy from Ga-Zen something ? no offense!

understand though, torog will wake up a little bit, but still be reliant on the false left/right paradigm, when a 'democrat' gets into the white house. he'll suddenly see all the corruption and abuse of the patriot act and not like what's going on, as the persecution of christians begins to gain stream.

then he'll lose his rights, and he'll be maced while protesting or see 'conservative' protesters being treated like dogs and not like it, and he'll suddenly see everything he couldn't see in bush, while defending 'conservatism'...even though it's just a continuation of what bush has done, which came from what bill clinton did, and so on...

the left will suddenly love having 'their' guy with the power and control, and cheer on the destruction of the country...

or who knows...maybe we'll be nuked and bush will assume the fuhrer-ship...and the same things will still happen...

man, thats depressing, but, yeah...

Would someone, for once, tell me what they think, not what they feel. How can you base your life on feelings? Why don't you use your only tool of survival nature endowed you with; your brain? Think, don't feel. Feelings are never clear-sighted.

I'm refering to more than just semantics...

first i voted labour
then green
then democrat
then labour
or something like that.
god bless australia.
its a wide brown land.

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Excuse me but I dont think Kerry is a girlie man...

VIETNAM WAR VETERAN WOUNDED SEVERAL TIMES....

BUSH WAS TOO BUSY SNORTIN COKE DRINKIN AND SKIPPIN DRILL

GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT KID

I MEAN THE GUY IS A F*CKIN ASSHOLE.....

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Howdy Looker,

Kerry betrayed his country and his fellow soldiers,both at the congressional hearing in '72,and by collaberating with Fonda and the North Vietnamese,in Paris,after the hearing. His injuries were either faked or inconsequential.

How is it-that Bush qualified to fly a fighter jet-if he was skippin drill ? It takes more brains to fly a fighter jet,than to run around on a little boat,playing hero for his own camera.

I'm 45 years old-I ain't no kid..but maybe you are..how old are you ? Have you ever served your country ? I have.

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Howdy Looker,

Kerry betrayed his country and his fellow soldiers,both at the congressional hearing in '72,and by collaberating with Fonda and the North Vietnamese,in Paris,after the hearing. His injuries were either faked or inconsequential.

How is it-that Bush qualified to fly a fighter jet-if he was skippin drill ? It takes more brains to fly a fighter jet,than to run around on a little boat,playing hero for his own camera.

I'm 45 years old-I ain't no kid..but maybe you are..how old are you ? Have you ever served your country ? I have.

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hell they all polish thier asses on fancy seats now so its the lesser of two evils?
im really thinking of Not even voting anymore,
why ,cuase no matter which fuckwad gets in there
its all the same.

the(poloticians)are not on my side,we the people should mean more than a fucking number, and should not fear our own goverment as much as we do other goverments.

Howdy NoWhereMan,

Well..you make some good points,man..heck,most of my computer security,is to protect me from my own goverment ! That's pretty daggum sad..huh?

Have a good one...:)

all kerry did at that hearing was tell the truth. my father was over their,like i said in 67-68 for a little over a year and he came back against the war,and he was in the military since ww11 i believe kerrys wounds were real- it was bushs smear campaign that made people believe they wernt. you say your 45-so i guess you were too young to remember what was really going on over there. everyone tried to get out of going. i dont blame bush for ducking out,anyone with half a brain was doing the same thing-National guard or Canada

BUSH's flight quals...OK but the guys got connections Im sorry....and he did'nt go fight..

Im 42

I was an army medic in the early 80's..there were just no wars for me at the time...what can I say??

C'mon Torog Bush is scary the guys says NUCULAR

"...we're working hard to put food on your family.."

BUT WHATEVER, MAN

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all kerry did at that hearing was tell the truth. my father was over their,like i said in 67-68 for a little over a year and he came back against the war,and he was in the military since ww11 i believe kerrys wounds were real- it was bushs smear campaign that made people believe they wernt. you say your 45-so i guess you were too young to remember what was really going on over there. everyone tried to get out of going. i dont blame bush for ducking out,anyone with half a brain was doing the same thing-National guard or Canada

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Howdy moomoo,

At the hearing,Kerry said that all soldiers were war criminals,period..that would include your dad,and me,as well as all soldiers who've ever served in the military. I ain't too young to remember what was going on back then,heck,I remember clearly,when Kennedy was assasinated..I've always paid attention to world events and politics,even as a young child..call me a geek,if you want.

Contrary to popular belief,not everyone tried to git out of going,many volunteered,for several tours..because they know that communism is a scourge on the world..and must be stopped.

Sorry Torog I would bet that Kerry has a higher IQ than Bush and thats important to me.....

In reference to Iraq I would be there now but I am past the age to re-enlist and I had a heart attack last year so thats out.....Even if I thought the big picture was wrong I would serve my country again cause war is usually the price of freedom.....


OH BTW I hope Nader runs again he makes alot of sense....

you pay attention to the surface, to the extreme superficial topics that are held over your head like a carrot on foxnews.

you don't dig deep and don't care about finding out any more than "the left hates america"...

as you support an administration that's done more to destroy the constituion than clinton, who did more than bush, sr...and so on...it just keeps getting worse...

we'll have a $3 trillion dollar budget when it's all said and done with...$1 trillion more than clinton's last budget...government size and scope of power has ballooned...and you call this conservative.

oh by the way, how did that whole defeating communist thing work out? these are wars for empire you support, and the government doesn't care about the troops.

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Originally Posted by Looker

BUSH's flight quals...OK but the guys got connections Im sorry....and he did'nt go fight..

Im 42

I was an army medic in the early 80's..there were just no wars for me at the time...what can I say??

C'mon Torog Bush is scary the guys says NUCULAR

"...we're working hard to put food on your family.."

BUT WHATEVER, MAN

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Howdy Looker,

I apologize for not checking your profile first..and I'm in respect of your service.

I and many of my fellow Texans,pronounce nuclear,the way Bush does...seems natural to me.

Howdy pisshead,

You ask: "oh by the way, how did that whole defeating communist thing work out? these are wars for empire you support, and the government doesn't care about the troops."

I say: Kerry,Fonda and all of the other protestors,were able to cause the US to make the wrong decision in regards to Vietnam..and the commies were allowed to over-run the South..and slaughter millions..thanx to commie lovin protestors.

Thank goodness,Reagan was able to cause the down-fall of the USSR,as well as bring down the Berlin Wall.

oh, so russia's all nice and happy and free now...as they arm our enemies...how gracious of them.

i cannot combat your superficial view of the whole communist 'threat'...but try reading this book:
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/gary_al...x.html#metatop

i assure you, it's a quick read.

I dunno I'm just concerned because it looks like Bush and his cabinet are all for starting world war 3 but if thats what it takes to get rid of the trouble makers then thats what we have to do...

There's just so damn many of them and you know Russia is eventually gonna have to pick a side...and although China is practicing nouveau capitalism its still a bastion of communism so I wonder which way they'll go with North Korea..Afghanistan..well, we needed to straighten that shit out just out of general principal..I mean Kabul is a wasteland..the Taliban should be ashamed of themselves they just pillaged and raped that country..we dont need them..

I think I understand how you feel about Kerry and his antiwar activism I just think he may have been a better negotiator.....

I MAY NOT AGREE WITH YOU BUT I'LL DIE DEFENDING YOUR RIGHT TO DISSENT

i dont think that russia is free at all!they just went a little capitalist. Putin was running against a native eskimo and won 98% of the vote what a joke! Bush calls him Pootie-tang i call him Putaan(thats italian for whore but im sure i didnt spell it right)i agree with Looker 'and i dont think that Reagan was totally responsible for the fall of ussr! i think it was just a matter of time(after Breznev died) i fear the same thing will happen to us ,with the path that we seem to be taking . and torog i dont think your a geek . i think your a real nice guy and i respect your difference of opinion even tho i dont agree. im afraid that we are going into some very scary times

Putin's well under way to restoring dictatorship to Russia, and the problem is that the people are still in shock after almost a century of hardcore communism. They don't know what they can do about it, so they go along, not out of cooperation, but rather because they don't know anything else. China, however, I think is scared of North Korea as much as we are. Maybe North Korea's nukes can reach America, maybe not, but they sure can reach China.... It might be what ultimately brings China to closer relations with the western world.

Politics...::yawn::
Hilter used the Reichstag, Bush used September 11th.
Hitler used the Jews, Bush is using "terrorists".

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Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on
a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of
it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people
don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in
Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to
drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works the same in any country. -Hermann Goering The second man in the Third Reich

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Liberals are unpatriotic, anybody who denounces the "war on terrorism" is unpatriotic.
Pacifists are unpatriotic.

Shit is just too mixed up, theres too much bullshit from everybody to know whats truth and whats not. So im an Advocate for the Apocalypse.

Well, the Democracks really have no opinion. They seem to change their minds so they can have the power and will do anything it takes.

The hate-America neoconservatives use the terror excuse as a blanket excuse to push their big-business agenda through. They also hide behind God and end up using Christ as an excuse to murder people. They will never reform the drug laws-they will just make them worse. Any cannabis grower that supports the Commander and Goof gets the Darwin award.

It is really hard to trust any political party. They should all be taken apart and replaced by new ones. That won't solve the problem, but it will give us a party that has not been infected by the bureacracy that has long been stagnating both the lame-brain democracks and the hate-America neoconservatives...

Bush & Kerry are peas in a pod. They both graduated from the same college & even have ancestors in common. Saying one has a higher IQ because he speaks with a North Eastern stick up his ass, than with a Texas drawl is ignorant.

Democrats are whores who will sell anything to anyone to make the government entity bigger, and have more control over our lives.

Republicans are out of touch with the common man and are willing to have a smaller government to allow big business and churches to rule our lives.

I believe both parties want a better "America" but each parties vision of it sucks ass.