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I read the entire bill, it sounds great. It would for sure make the federal governments efforts utterly useless! I could also stop punching "MMJ Patients" in the face for being idiots when they act like they have some "special entitlement" to use marijuana. By the way I am a patient, and if anything, the "paper tiger" that I have gives me some security. How can we follow progress on this? Haven't heard anything in the media, seems like a short time frame to collect that many sigs?:( The potential future impact could be HUGE!:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by cannabismedical
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One minor problem. This goes against international treaties. The us would have to go to the UN and shit to legalize weed.
Actually not.... it only has to be reclasified by the FDA, and that is gonna take a lot of money.... prolly from big tobacco companies, and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerbalConfusion
Another reason i dislike this forum. Dont tell me im wrong. Do some reading.
Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs
The Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs is the international treaty against illicit manufacture and trafficking of narcotics that forms the bedrock of the global drug control regime. Previous treaties had only controlled opium, coca, and derivatives such as morphine, heroin and cocaine. The Single Convention, adopted in 1961, consolidated those treaties, broadening their scope to include cannabis and allow control of any drugs with similar effects to those specified in the treaty. The Commission on Narcotic Drugs and the World Health Organization were empowered to add, remove, and transfer drugs among the treaty's four Schedules of controlled substances. The International Narcotics Control Board was put in charge of administering controls on drug production, international trade, and dispensation. The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) was delegated the Board's day-to-day work of monitoring the situation in each country and working with national authorities to ensure compliance with the Single Convention. This treaty has since been supplemented by the Convention on Psychotropic Substances, which controls LSD, Ecstasy, and other psychoactive pharmaceuticals, and the United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances, which strengthens provisions against money laundering and other drug-related offenses
Influence on domestic legislation
Since the Single Convention is not self-executing, Parties must pass laws to carry out its provisions. The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime works with countries' legislatures to ensure compliance. As a result, most of the national drug statutes in the UNODC's legal library share a high degree of conformity with the Single Convention and its supplementary treaties, the 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances and the 1988 United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances.
The Single Convention has been extremely influential in standardizing national drug control laws. In particular, the United States' Controlled Substances Act of 1970 and the United Kingdom's Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 were designed to fulfill treaty obligations. Both Acts include analogous schemes of drug Scheduling, along with similar procedures for adding, removing, and transferring drugs among the Schedules. The Controlled Substances Act follows the Single Convention's lead in granting a public health authority a central role in drug Scheduling decisions. It also includes a provision mandating that federal authorities control all drugs of abuse at least as strictly as required by the Single Convention(21 U.S.C. § 811(d)).
As of January 2005, the Single Convention had 180 Parties. (as in 180 countries which must comply or they get in trouble although dutch laws technically violate this they dont do anything to them.
You have a great point! This did occur to me Herbal but what will happen. I mean if they get enough sigies, it's put on the ballot and approved? Then what? I am really asking, this has got to create some kind of problem correct. What would happen assuming it was voted on and approved? Guess that is a good idea for a thread. Personally, I don't have no facking idea? What would happen?
I dont know what would happen its never been a problem they just leave the dutch alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
Any reason they wouldn't "leave the Americans alone"? Precedent has already been set by the inaction on the Dutch! :thumbsup:
And I believe I have read that there is a way out of the treaty by saying "We want out!" with a 3 month waiting period before it is final. Not certain about that, though- haven't read the treaty. You guys get to figure this out- I'm in the midst of a snow storm and power is "iffy". I'm posting on borrowed time!- Granny:hippy:
Yup, so I don't think that is a reason to discount the initative! I say lets go balls out and see what happens. What's the worst that can happen? It's already illegal.:thumbsup:
The dutch dont have a George or a DEA. Still proceed i mean im from mass i dont matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm Crow
It has nothing to do with George Bush, it was illegal long before he came into the picture, and I don't care who wins that office, it won't matter. The DEA on the other hand......:jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by HerbalConfusion
So?Quote:
Originally Posted by HerbalConfusion
Yeah my thoughts exactly!!!:thumbsup: LMFAO:DQuote:
Originally Posted by angry nomad
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Originally Posted by HerbalConfusion
Regardless of international treaty, MJ *STILL* has to be reclassified by the FDA *BEFORE* it can be federaly legalized.
FWIW, the FDA classification system system was set up so that it didn't require an act of congress or a change of internation treaties to add opr remove a substance from the list. It only has to be determined by the surgen general and the FDA to be "benificial" to the public and not subject to abuse.
And I'll thank you not to give me any more negitive reps.
If you can['t say something nice, then don't say anything at all.
why would it be so hard?? Holland's done it, i think other country's should adopt the same method on how they legalised cannabis.
Unfortunately, it's still not 'legal' in Holland.Quote:
Originally Posted by doomie62
They do lead the world in cannabis tolerance though.
Just don't get busted for growing, or you could get fined!
We keep trying for full legalization in Holland, but it's hard to get people involved because they don't realize it's still actually illegal!
Yup, as long as they can get their weed they don't care. That's pretty much the way it is here in Cali. A clinic gets raided, and oh well, just move on to the next one. No big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by psteve
haha I was thinking the same thing. This is America, this country is the reason the world has a negative view towards marijuana, nobody else was leading this anti-natural medical drug war, this was all us while everyone else just sorta played follow the leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by angry nomad
If we can break constitutional and international law to invade 2 middle east and oil rich countries, while threatening a 3rd and causing political weakness in a 4th, then nobody else in the world is going to say a word if we went marijuana legal.
Not that I think it will happen anytime soon, and certainly not with this administration, just saying this government has shown America does what it wants, regardless of silly laws or promises.
I know this sounds ridiculous, but Jack Herer and a few other prominent marijuana activists have written a bill for COMPLETE LEGALIZATION in California!!!!
CHECK IT:
Summary Date: 11/26/07 Circulation Deadline: 04/24/08 Signatures Required: 433,971
Proponents: Jack Herer, Charles E. Lepp, George Clayton Johnson, Phyllis Vonderscher, Ronnie Lee Smith, Michael S. Jolson and Seeva Marie Cherms
Decriminalizes possession, cultivation, transportation, distribution, and use of marijuana or hemp. Provides persons convicted or serving time for non-violent offenses involving marijuana be immediately released from prison, jail, parole, or probation, and be eligible to have their convictions erased. Provides no permit, license, or tax be required for non-commercial cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of marijuana. Allows doctors to prescribe or recommend marijuana to patients, regardless of age. Prohibits testing for marijuana for employment or insurance purposes. Bars state from aiding enforcement of certain federal marijuana laws. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Savings in the several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments, which would no longer incur the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. A potential increase of a few million dollars annually in the cost of the stateâ??s Drug Medi-Cal substance abuse treatment program. (Initiative 07-0064.)
Full Text:
http://ag.ca.gov/cms_pdfs/initiative...Initiative.pdf
I don't care what you're doing, if you live in California, go sign it now!!!
Go here to find a place to sign or to start getting signatures yourself:
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interesting
edit:
(f) The term "personal use" means the internal consumption of cannabis hemp by people 21
years of age or older for any relaxationaI, meditative, religious, spiritual, recreational, or
other purpose other than sale,
The actual article I saw: California: Legalize Pot In 2008
There is the website for this initiave:
Welcome to Jack Herer's Home on the Web
They are talking about use for commercial, medical and even recreational use !! If they get all these sigantures do you think it will be legalize ?
It may not pass the first time but keep at it. Eventually people will see the facts and pass this. Now if we could get some more states to do the same thing.
Here something I've post about that, I'll like to have your opinion on the subject:
http://boards.cannabis.com/activism/...ional-use.html
ok once i figure out where to sign, i will. im just a little retarted
ok, i signed online i think
Here's the link to the other thread about this that was started already.
http://boards.cannabis.com/activism/...es-needed.html
It may make it somewhat more challenging for the Feds, could effectively nullify any prosecution that they may seek, by encouraging more individuals to grow, which would hopefully significantly increase availability and number of growers, most of all it may give more people the courage to come out of the closet and help change the common stereotype image of people that use marijuana. Who knows?:jointsmile:
These rules should go for minors too :(
My signature is on there already. A college campus is a good place to collect signatures. :D
It would be amazing if it went through, but the problem is that about half of the people would mark "I'd rather get an STD than have marijuana illegal" on the ballot cuz they don't know anything.
If it does make it onto the ballot, I will donate to the dude's organization for him to spread the truth about herb when it counts.
yes, if this goes through, and it is legalized in one state, it could start a chain reaction. it would be a huge first step
I hope to God this goes thru, I've been waiting for something like this
No, it would never pass, not even in liberal California. However, what it would do is get people in the state, and also the entire country to start seriously talking about legalization. The problem facing legalization people are not talking about it. Everyone needs to be talking about this with their family and friends, this is what will eliminate the lies that have flourished for so many years even after being proven as false propaganda.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuciferN
So even though I'm certain it would fail, I strongly support this getting to the ballot so that it will get everyone in California to start talking about legalization. Nothing bad could come about this going to the ballot, so every Californian should be signing to get this on!!
Ask your local dispensary if they have the petition forms and sign them. Jack Herer is working his ass off to make this happen.
p.s.
V.V.C. has petition forms available for patients local to Valley Village (91607)
I aint signin shit the fedy Gov. will say we dont recognize state laws and shit all over this plan plus the holy ass people say its the devils drug:birthday::wtf::S2: ill keep smoking growing and transporting anyways though:D only way to legalization is to fight for it in this country violence is the only thing listened to and im to stoned to fight:jointsmile: not really just need sum down dudes :stoned: lagilization is right cuz everyone lags on it
I am Roland A. Duby (stage name) My real name is Ronnie Lee Smith
I am a co writer of this initiative. and my name is in the proponents list (#5). Some activists and I have discovered a way to beat the court. We have been working on this program for over 10 years! I personally have beaten marijuana charges 15 times with this program. We are giving the program away to everyone for free at
Brothers For Mercy
I encourage everyone to download the files and read the instructions.
If you want to collect signatures for the California initiative,
you can download and print your own, it is a 2 sided, Legal size document.
http://www.bigfatpothead.com/petition.pdf
We need another 200,000 signatures by April 20th
so please get them signed and mailed in right away.
learn more about the initiative at
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Originally Posted by MajesticWhelk
BigFatPothead, I gotta ask first of all, why haven't you posted since you signed up over 2 years ago? While I applaud your efforts to help out people, since this is a dangerous area (giving legal advice on the net) we really need something more concrete. I looked at the sites you posted (which since there is no advertising on them it looks like they should stay up), your myspace page (nice play on words with Roland A Duby BTW) , your other websites, etc etc etc and I don't know what to think. If you are the true Ronnie Smith then it seems you are out there fighting the war for reformation of marijuana laws. If you aren't the real Ronnie Smith then that is a terrible thing to do. I don't want to suppress your voice on here but we really need some more proof or something that shows your program to beat marijuana drug charges work (I'm sure the other mods will agree as you have already been mentioned between us). Someone who I know from another forum even came behind one of your posts to dispute your claims and I believe this person is taking law classes (not sure if they are pre-law or criminal justice or law school) so they have some knowledge in this area.
Instead of posting the same thing in several threads (which you are getting borderline spamming) can you please provide some proof or something to your claims? It is quite interesting reading material but try not to spam the board with it and please try to submit some proof.
For the last 2 1/2 years I have been doing nothing but driving Jack Herer from event to event. I signed up with this forum on my laptop and when that got stolen I failed to remember all the websites I had saved in my favorites on the laptop.
The other day I did a search for pot forums and when I found this one I remembered I had an account so i logged on.
I don't get to spend as much time online as I would like so when I am home I like to spread the word about what I am doing.
Last year I built a device for splitting water into gas, and drove over 6000 miles on water.
I did a comedy tour of California while driving Jack.
I will be performing at the Seattle Hempfest this August.
here is a link to my certified ID
Cannabis Church
I am a very busy pothead
As far as proof,,,
I am willing to offer myself up to be arrested and have it filmed all the way through to the dismissal. If that is something anyone out there would like to film, I would need to find a person with a public access producers certificate.
Thanks for the response, sorry about spamming.
I tried to be as on topic as I could, I didn't post my message in a place where it didn't fit.
As far as that guy from the other site, he says he is 17 and has 2 years of law school, I just don't believe that.
Peace
Roland AA Duby
Please don't go getting yourself arrested just to prove the point, I'm sure you can find someone who has already been arrested.
I did see your car that runs on water, or at least I started to see it.
Has anyone used your defense successfully? See you say you have beaten charges 15 times with the program so why do it on purpose just to film it.
I'm not trying to bust on you but just trying to get the most accurate info possible.
I have 3 cases in Gallatin county ky
1 in Boone county ky
1 in cincinnati
1 outside of Lexington ky
1 in albany ga.
1 in Jacksonville florida
1 in macon ga
there's 9 I can remember where they were.
I will try to find case numbers
I found one (one I had forgotten)
case number Complaint No. 0116811869
Ronnie Smith v. City of Atlanta
june 18th 2001
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Originally Posted by FakeBoobsRule
So um.......:stoned:
Anybody heard anything?
I am starting to wonder what the hell is going on? I have yet to hear or see ANY, ANY, news ANYWHERE, about this, obviously there have not been enough signatures gathered, or it will be coming down to the last minute?
WTF?
I am sure everyone will be heading out to the clubs to get all the freebies they can.:wtf:
Sometimes I wonder what the fuck is everyone celebrating?
Ain't nothing in life free, don't forget that, happy 420, what the fuck ever. :S4:
Please someone come on here, and tell me I am an ass and that I am an idiot, and provide some current information on what is going on with this, since I am obviously too stupid to figure it out on my own! That would make me happy!:( I am sorry in advance if ANYONE takes offense to my post, it is not meant to be offensive, just expressing my true frustrations. It's just that I believe that the deadline is 4/20 for the first round of signatures, and well........