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Anyone else experimented or heard of this method? I heard of this on another forum, and after thorough research, it seems to be an interesting way to grow and one that greatly benefits micro growers or others concerned with space/stealth.
Feedback anyone?
I just got my Skunk Classic seeds back from Flying Dutchmen.
I have an 4'X4'X8' grow room,which i'm using to flower
some bag seed on 12/12 light schedule...it really smells and
looks great ,so i want to give them a couple more weeks to fully
mature....My question is can i start my new Skunk seeds under
my 12/12 light,for just a couple weeks,til finish bag seed
finishes then switch to 24/0 for remaining veg period? Will it
stunt thier ,or lower potentcy? Thanks for any advice:thumbsup:
It's really not recommended. It will stress them. Especially in the vulnerable seedling stage, constant light schedule and temperature are important.
Since you only need a couple more weeks, it's not big thing to stick a couple CFLs somewhere like in the bathroom where you can leave the lights on 24/0 until the grow chamber is available again. Hint, it takes about a week between wetting the seeds and seeing them emerge from the soil, so you REALLY only need a spot for a week or so.
It makes them really take off and try to pump out the buds instead of worrying about vegetation so much. Done a lot in SOG styles. And yes, it is especially helpful in cramped spaces.
thats actually what i am kinda trying now i ma vegging the for 10 days then put them in flowering
Cool, let us know how it turns out.
Hi All
I have just one quick question. Why can't i just grow on a 12/12
schedule from seedling stage to flower phase? In nature there is no
24/0 light period. In my part of the world,at best we'll have 12
hour long days in the summer....anyone ever tried to just leave
thier lights on a 12/12 all the time??? please help me out with
this question...THANKS!!
as stinky said, it will stress your plants out at an early stage...........and you can start off from 12/12, but its not recommended.
It's going great!
I just saw this question in another post and after much research and my own experimentation was able to answer the 12/12 question much more thoroughly than when I explained it here earlier. So I shall repost it here:
12/12 from seed is a naturally brilliant way to grow!Quote:
Originally Posted by bowl
The goal of the indoor grower is to replicate the plant's natural environment, a key point many professional growers often overlook in their quest for everything bigger, better, faster, etc.
12/12 from seed has many benefits, such as higher female ratios (reported by numerous growers upon switching to 12/12, and that being the only variable changed)
Also, the plants root structures are able to develop much more thoroughly during the dark period. There are also numerous reactions that occur in plants only during times of darkness.
Yes, 24 hour lighting may produce growth "faster," but not always better. 24 hour lighting can and often does cause plants some stress, as does the sudden switch to 12/12 when one is ready to flower. With 12/12 from seed, the plant experiences the same light its entire life, experiences no stress in changing its environment, and flowers automatically, whenever the plant is ready. This is important.
By using 12/12 from seed, your plants will enjoi a healthier life, the natural way, while you save on your electricity bill.
This would be an excellent sticky, as there seems to be little awareness of the 12/12 experience!
Peace!
~So you are saying that if you start your seeds in 12/12 they will not flower straight away, only when they are ready... how long is that? I have a picture in my head of plants finished with 2 grams of bud on em!:D
Ya know, when you read stuff where people want to take conventional wisdom and turn it upside down because they "heard this" or "read that", you have to ask yourself, "If this is such a great method, why aren't these clowns growing with these methods instead of just flappin their jaws about what they heard?"Quote:
Originally Posted by 88888888
PC :smokin:
The problem here is that you are not talking about the 12/12 "experience", you are talking about the 12/12 "scuttlebutt". There's a big difference between the two. Do a couple of 12/12 grows, post the results and then you can talk about "experience".Quote:
Originally Posted by melodious fellow
12/12 from the git-go may be the greatest thing since sliced bread. But, at this point, you really don't know if it works or not.
PC :smokin:
Since we seem to be cross posting...Here is my reply from the other thread:
Well, don't know about you but that ain't my goal in the least. I am looking to improve on the plant's natural environment, not replicate it. I don't want to grow indoors for 5-6 months. I want to finish in 3 or 4. As well, anybody growing hydroponically is not replicating the plant's natural environment, since cannabis doesn't grow in a nutrient rich lake in nature. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by melodious fellow
I have not heard this.Quote:
12/12 from seed has many benefits, such as higher female ratios (reported by numerous growers upon switching to 12/12, and that being the only variable changed)
Cannabis is a C3 plant. Photosynthesis occurs during the lighted times and it does not need any dark period. The more light the plant has, the longer the period of photosynthesis.Quote:
Also, the plants root structures are able to develop much more thoroughly during the dark period. There are also numerous reactions that occur in plants only during times of darkness.
For instance, I grew 12/12 from seed with AK47 X Soma #10 and it did not flower for over a month, but it also didn't grow very much at all (due to lack of light, which equals short time for photosynthesis). So, I didn't save any time (one reason why some folks try 12/12 from seed) and I really screwed myself on yield.
Another grower I know did 12/12 from seed with Northern Lights and it started flowering right away. His experience was low yield and since the plants flowered before reaching maturity (alternate nodes), he described the high as much lighter and shorter than his mature flowered NL's. <shrug>
Since unless you are growing on the equator there isn't any place where 12/12 through all phases of the grow is natural, the view that this is replicating nature is false. ;)
I agree with Fencewalker that I am not trying to duplicate outdoor growing conditions. If I were, my plants would be dead at this time of year. Outdoor plants have to spend energy searching for food. I don't want that. I force feed them through immediately available nutrients in the root zone, and through the stomata of the leaves when I foliar feed (another thing that doesn't happen outdoors). Also I do not want to reproduce the 100 degree, or 40 degree temperatures that are outdoors, since both severely slow growth. I also don't want my plants to have to be stressed with pests and acid rain like they do in their "natural" environment.
I am not reproducing natural growing methods. I am taking the things that are known to be needed by MJ plants, and improving on them or maximizing them as cannot be done in natural growing environments.
I find it very hard to believe that eliminating veg periods produces more females. I've heard it before, but nobody can show me. Show don't tell. Anyway, what ever happened to trying to duplicate outdoor growing conditions?
An MJ plant is never "ready to flower". It does exactly what it's told by the sun (or lights) and will only start flowering when the sun or the master tells it to. If the master wishes, this could be immediately upon sprouting or several years after sprouting.
The 24/0 debate continues. Most people who have tried both 24/0 and 18/6 contend that 24 hr lighting inhibits root growth. Regardless of what number "C" the MJ plant is, many people have reported that their plants seem to do better with at least a little dark period. Anyway, I can find arguments and reports either way. Do a side by side experiment and decide for yourself.
One thing cannot be argued: the longer you veg the higher the yield, unless you don't do things right, like let the plant get root bound. You can eliminate veg completely and get fewer buds sooner, or veg for awhile and get more buds later. Kinda evens out either way.
Opie - a guy over at IC did comparison grows with about six different veg cycles from 24/0 to 18/6. The best results were with 20/4.
I've got a new scrog vegging on 20/4 - I had 2"-3" growth in the last 24 hours.
PC :smokin:
Crap. Struck down.
Well not really, I saw some side by side studies that showed fastest growth was with 4 or 5 hours dark I think.
My mother room right now is 24 hour lighting just to see if I can notice any kind of difference. It's been that way for about 5 months. This and everything in my experience has shown me not much difference either way. But that's just me.
I sure hope my mothers don't grow 3" per day. Nice going PC.
Cannabis grows, flowers, and dies based on season.
It determines season based on day length.
Summer days are longer and summer nights are shorter than 12 hours.
Days start getting shorter after June 21st.
When you grow a plant at 12/12 from seed, you are stressing it into thinking 'oh shit it's fall already, and I missed my opportunity to breed'... what happens to a stressed cannabis plant that is trying to make seeds before it dies?
You all know the answer to this one.
HERMIEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
God bless misinformation huh?
Perhaps the hippy side of myself overtook my normal scientific nature..
I read this fantastic article about the 12/12 experience and shortly after started my own 12/12 experiments. My plants seem to be doing so well, I though I would share with everyone...
But perhaps I am too quick to promote this, as my experiment is not yet concluded, but the guy in this articles is and he had fantastic results.
Enjoi: International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - 12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow
Peace!
We might as well delete this thread, since it has moved, but I'll post the update here that I posted over there as well. But after this, lets just all post on the other thread http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...ml#post1794280
So yea, reply to this at the thread above and keep organized
Don't be so quick to judge as mis-information. You all doubted Coelho about increasing the potency through decarboxilation and many tried it and were pleasantly surprised (myself)
In the below post is the link to an article on 12/12 that inspired me to try it.
Perhaps the hippy side of myself overtook my normal scientific nature..
I read this fantastic article about the 12/12 experience and shortly after started my own 12/12 experiments. My plants seem to be doing so well, I though I would share with everyone...
But perhaps I am too quick to promote this, as my experiment is not yet concluded, but the guy in this articles is and he had fantastic results.
Enjoi: International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - 12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow
Peace!
International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - 12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow
International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - 12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow
Sorry, do not know why this link did not post.
And earlier when I said (myself) I meant to say (myself included) as there were plenty of people who benefited from the decarboxilation
peace! And remember to reply in the other thread
Since there appears to be the start of some serious double-posting, I'm merging this with the other current 12/12 thread.
Thanks Stinky!
this being my 2nd grow, I also did a few 12/12 experiments. I noticed that the plants that made it through the process (1/4 female) the plant was about 3x more bushy then the same strain starting out from 24/0. I'm about to start my 3rd grow and plan to throw a few in the flower side of my cab and see how they go. I'd say its worth a shot, but not for my whole group just yet.....
Thanks for the input!Quote:
Originally Posted by 12345-54321
I wasn't trying to say 12/12 is the best way to grow, but merely one that can be beneficial to micro, stealth, beginner, and low maintenance growers and for people not to be worried about it failing, as it is similar to nature. I just got a little carried away. :)
I also browsed different forums and in another forum, there is a grower named Atmosphere seen as the stinky of their forum who grows exclusively 12/12 from seed and I must say; his 'pole'-method is very amazing to look at.
Anyone have any experience with this?
Any information on this is greatly appreciated!:pimp:
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/50...irls-thumb.JPG
While atmosphere's grow is not typical, most growers who followed in his path over at icmag forums, they started a thread devoted to strains that work with the 12/12 pole method.
For instance a 12/12 from seed with an AK48 produced just over an 1/2 oz.
And while this of course, isn't the 'zomg best way to grow'
It certainly seems plausible for the microgrower, or someone pressed for space.
It also seems nice since theres one main cola to harvest from.
A downside seems to be the amount of seeds you would need.
However, some strains have been reported to only produce about 1 gram of bud and the tree turning out little and bonsai-like.
Debates pursued on their forum as to whether it was the methodology that was flawed or the grower or even the strain.
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/9571DSCN0927.JPG
pic of a different grow using 12/12 from seed ^
idk if I'm allowed to do this but uhh here's the thread I was referencing above.
International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - 12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow
Yeah, no prob on the link. I actually replied on that thread somewhere, lol.
Well I am currently experimenting with 12/12 from seed.
Reason being simplicity and space. I do agree, a proper vegg cycle seems to premote more node sites. But downsizing to one cab, I need a 12/12 from seed setup.
My only issue with this grow is that you need a seccond light source to limit seedling stretch because the other plants are all 2 ft tall, and their light is up there to compensate.
I like the idea as a whole. Most people who are looking at this method aren't for profit growers and done need highest possible yeilds. Personal weed, for less effort is the primary and common goal I see when researching this method.
I compensate the lower yeild by rotating in a new seed every week, SOG style. you end up with 8 plants in various cycles of seedling to drying. This is my first time doing this and harvesting females, first batch of seeds yeilded all males. 10 seeds, 5 males, 5 dead.. Should see final results of the first inductees by late november.
I also started a 12/12 grow and put my seedlings in with my females (just starting to change pistil colors) within a month the Super ATF seedlings are probably 1 1/2 times the size of my females which started off as clones and overcame alot of heat stress. i put the females into flowering after only two weeks of 18/6 veg and they still hadn't grown at all. leave it to a first full grow. the guy i bought the 400w hps from said they run cool which ended up being a whole 130 degrees cool. and the whole veg for 2 weeks and 5 weeks of flowering (2 sheba sativas, 6 weeks of flowering for the 70% indica space queens).. 2 weeks vegging a clone...total? i wouldn't recommend it. now i'm stuck with 4 8-9 inch tall females that'll probably only have about 15-20 grams of bud tops and it cost me more than $150 ($45 for the clones and more than $110 for running the lights/fans). i really want to throw the little ATF's (alaskan thunderf*%#) back into veg for a while because they haven't been sexed yet i'm wondering if i could do that without risking hermies. all in all though, if i turn out with at least 4 females they should produce alot more than the females i got in there now. the really weird thing is that it was $320 for an oz of the Super ATF (sativa) in which i found 12 seeds. the leaves on these guys are 3 times the width of my 70% indicas which makes me wonder if the buds got pollinated by an indica. has anyone ever heard of a broad-leafed sativa?
QUOTE=Opie Yutts;1790717]Crap. Struck down.
Well not really, I saw some side by side studies that showed fastest growth was with 4 or 5 hours dark I think.
My mother room right now is 24 hour lighting just to see if I can notice any kind of difference. It's been that way for about 5 months. This and everything in my experience has shown me not much difference either way. But that's just me.
I sure hope my mothers don't grow 3" per day. Nice going PC.[/QUOTE]
I tried testing it as well with my sprouts. Same lights. Left two on 24 and put the other on 18/6. the one on 18/6 actualy formed its first set of true leaves about a day prior. I would of had two on 18/6 incase of a fluke but I droped the peat pellet on my trip down the stairs. Nothing concrete but who cares. Im comfortable with 18/6 so ill keep it there. We all grow different. Who cares right. My method- I never top or fim contraire to what people belive. i think a little tieing the tip down n bud sites out get the same result without harming the plant or slowing the growth. Beliefs are belifes. I got my babies vegging for six weeks now. Just bent them. Im going to start flowering at 8 weeks. Those new sprouts will be a month than ones heading to the grow room. And a few days prior im going to crack a new sprout. Ive read a lot about flowering at different times but without trying it ill never know the weight vs time frame. Everyones argueing- not you opie, nice pic btw- why not just try it out. Not like you dont have time. Sure half if not more of everyones home life is spent in there grow room. Oh incase theres narks im medicinal and only grow for my personal use so.... yea