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YouTube - Mike Huckabee responds to evolution question
Does this piss anyone else off?
How can a potential president of the United States think that humans and Dinosaurs coexisted? Its disgusting how someone with that much potential responsibility can be so stupid.
your thoughts?
I didn't sit and watch the whole clip, but I don't know if saying that there is a creator means that the dinosaurs and humans coexisted. I was raised catholic and I do believe that there is a higher being that created all. but i still assume that it did not happen in the "seven days" that the bible claims. i'm not saying that the bible is wrong but i'm saying the length of time was taken probably too literally. The way i look at creation is the same way most everything in history is designed. it is extremely rare that something is made and design perfectly the very first time. i guess in sense to tie up what i'm saying is that i do believe in creation by God or a god (getting into that subject sould require an entirely different post) but that not everything in todays era coexisted with creatures from hundreds of thousands, and possibly millions of years ago. I do believe in evolution as well, just not to the extent that you first think of when you hear the term.
Well, he didn't actually say that dinosaurs and humans coexisted did he? He said he didn't know if the literal truth of the 6-day Bible creation story was true or if it represented a longer period of time, only that he believed that God was behind the process. I do have problems with him based on his overt religious views and how that affects his policies, but I don't think it's fair to mischaracterize his answer. If he had said he does not believe in evolution and he does believe the earth was created in 6 days, then I would say he is too disconnected from reality and objective evidence to exercise sound judgement as president. We don't need someone who ignores proveable facts as president, making decision based on faith, not evidence. But if he holds open the possibility of evolution and just believes God drives the process, I don't have so much of a problem with that. Existence of God cannot be proved or disproved one way or another by science, so I think as long as you do not deny the evidence of science, your faith in God is irrelevant.
Like I said before, I don't really like Huckabee. One thing I would worry about is that maybe his answer was a bit evasive and maybe he actually DOES believe in the creation story more than he said in his answer.
Thats what the creation theory entails. You cant pick and choose whatever you want to believe as far as religious dogma. You either swallow it all up or you don't buy into it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iwontstop
So i guess your omniscient god isnt all that omniscient?Quote:
The way i look at creation is the same way most everything in history is designed. it is extremely rare that something is made and design perfectly the very first time.
It's implied, and again, you cant pick and choose what you want to believe...Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
He DID say that...Quote:
If he had said he does not believe in evolution and he does believe the earth was created in 6 days, then I would say he is too disconnected from reality and objective evidence to exercise sound judgement as president.
You cannot disprove that there is a teapot in orbit around the earth, but all logic points to the obvious fact.Quote:
Existence of God cannot be proved or disproved one way or another by science, so I think as long as you do not deny the evidence of science, your faith in God is irrelevant.
Like i said earlier i was raised catholic, but i guess what i left out was that as i grew older i started noticing flaws, which anything that has been filtered through the years by human beings. It works the same with politics, if someone doesn't like a theory or aspect of anything they will either leave it out of what they have to say, or add something to it. since Christianity's birth some 2000 years ago it's impossible to say that it's original beliefs and theories are the same as todays. It's also really hard to say whether a certain being is omniscient or not. Some people just need that idea to make it through there days. There is obviously not one correct answer. People follow religion to have some understanding of life and thats great for them. Others feel better not following any religion and look at science, again if thats what they need to understand life and how it works great. I think everyone's beliefs work for them and more power to them.
I myself have a hard time wrapping my brain around the fact that in the entire universe there is only one planet like ours and there aren't beings similar (or different) than us depending on the needs of that being, especially in the vastness of it all. I think it's just something, as with the evolution and creation theory, that will forever be disputed.
Barney Trouble, if you want to get into a discussion about evolution versus creationism or intelligent design, you should check out the other threads on these topics in the Science and Spirituality forums. It's been discussed nearly to death, but you could always pick up one of those threads or start another one. You might learn something about some more nuanced interpretations of the origin of the universe, instead of the all-or-nothing approach.
I do not agree with you that a person either has to believe all the exact literal truth of the creation story of the Bible or none of it at all. That's a false choice. There are very many reasonable people who accept the Bible as allegory and not literal truth. There are many people who believe in the Big Bang and evolution and who accept scientific evidence, but also believe that God exists and is responsible for creation. There are probably more people who believe that than people who believe the exact literal truth of the Bible creation story or people who believe solely in scientific explanations and the absence of God.
Like I said before, I do not like Huckabee or any other politician who wears his religion too much on his sleeve. But you should try to be fair to him. You said it is implied that he believes dinosaurs and man coexisted. You can't attack someone for something YOU said they implied, when they never actually said it. He did NOT say that in this interview, and I don't see how it is even implied. Also, you said he said he does not believe in evolution and that he believes the world was created in 6 days. You need to watch your clip again --- he goes out of his way NOT to say that. He says God was active in the process of creation, but he does not know what that process was or how long it took. When Wolf tries to pin him down, he says he doesn't know whether it was 6 days literally or 6 "days" that represent a longer span of time. I think that answer is evasive, but he doesn't say anything that a lot of reasonsble people would disagree with. There are a lot of people who believe that God created the universe through the Big Bang billions of years ago, and that life evolved exactly as science tells us, and it is all part of Gods creation. Huckabee's statements are vague enough that they could be interprested as consistent with that view.
If anything I would criticise him for being evasive in his answer instead of being unreasonable in his views, at least from what he said here.
I don't agree with most religions but Huckabee answered the question perfectly at the start "It's interesting this question would even be asked of someone running for president. I'm not writing the curriculum of an 8th grade science book". I'm sure other candidates feel the same about creationism (Ron Paul is one) as well as many past presidents. I agree Huckabee plays to the religious vote, but this question or his answer have nothing to do with him being president.
Actually, I think it is a relevant question. His religion is not necessarily relevant, but I think it's worthwhile to understand how a person comes about their knowledge of the world. I have no problem with a person believing God created the universe, but if they deny scientific evidence for evolution or they believe the world is only 6000 years old, I do have a problem with that. It shows a pattern of weak thinking and a tendency to ignore overwhelming evidence. I think George Bush has a bit of a problem along those lines. Bush ignores evidence and seems to make decisions based on faith. Sometimes I think Bush thinks he is part of some kind of higher plan and that everything will just work out because he thinks God is on our side and our cause is righteous. That is very dangerous thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zimzum
Can you provide *PROOF* that man and dinosaurs didn't coexist??Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney Trouble
Looks like we might have a vote for Huckabee!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
Actually its gonna be a toss up between Thompson and huckabeeQuote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
Do you know what Thompson's views about evolution are?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
Separation of church and state but try getting an athiest elected. Hell, look at all the discussion on the Romneys choice. There are more issues than a persons PERSONAL religious beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney Trouble
Have a good one!:s4:
Yes. Radio-carbon dating on fossils and igneous rock. Creationists will say this "theory" is full of holes....which basically means not EVERY single fossil was found, so of course there are going to be evolutionary gaps in species.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
My main problem with this situation is that having a person with his beliefs running a country is downright dangerous. Did you know that Bush admitted god told him to invade iraq? This is the crap you get when you turn a cold shoulder to the inane thought processes of the people you are voting for.
Those and many other reasons are why I am not the least bit tolerant of religion. Religion is the number 1 killer in the world., more than cancer and heart disease combined. It's a fairy tale.
Thats like saying cats and dogs have sex. He wont win, go Ron Paul. Yeee. :stoned:Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney Trouble
I think maybe we half agree, but not 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney Trouble
I agree that people who think they are on a mission from God can be very dangerous, and I would not be too surprised if that's what Bush thought. But I would be very surprised if Bush ever publicly said he invaded Iraq because God told him to, even if that is what he really believed. Can you cite a source for that info, or is it something "implied" like your claim that Huckabee said man and dinosaurs coexisted?
I can't personally stand Bush, and Huckabee is too religious for my tastes, but I don't think you should say they said things that they never really said just in order to make them seem more ridiculous than they really are. I don't believe Huckabee ever said man and dinosaurs coexisted, and I don't believe Bush ever said God told him to invade Iraq. Unless you can cite a source, I think you are putting words in their mouths. The facts are enough without making stuff up.
Religion itself is not bad, but religious extremism is. My reasons for not wanting overly religious people in the white house is that they tend to want to tell the rest of us how to live our lives. I don't care what a person's personal religious beliefs are as long as he doesn't try to get them into law. I think the far religious right are trying to use their freedom of religion in order to deny the rest of us our own freedom of religion, or our choice not to have a religion. The Republican party is so beholden to the religious right that they have abandoned their defense of personal liberty, and now they are always in our business about who we can have sex with, what we can smoke, what we do with our bodies, what medical procedures we can have. They've gotten away from their roots in order to keep the religious right in their corner. That's a shame, and it's the main reason I am not a Republican.
It doesn't matter what his views on evolution are... what matters is...Do I think he can get the country back on track?? Can he do the right things right....regardless of whats "popular" at the time?? Can he keep a cool head when everybody else is losing theirs??Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
For me, its all about being able to *DO* the job.
Someones been reading Richard Dawkins:The God Delusion. Good book very clever man if u have an interest in the validity of dogmatic religion this book is definately worth a read. Should sort u out lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Barney Trouble
I agree that it's not the most important question. I was asking because the topic of the thread is Huckabee's views on evolution, so I was wondering what Thompson's views were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq' | Special reports | Guardian UnlimitedQuote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
Trust me, i've been sorted out for a while now. Ive read almost every one of his books, as well as Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens...they are all worth the readQuote:
Originally Posted by Conehead
Thanks for providing the link, but I'm not sure I would count this as a credible source. It's a Palestinian politician characterizing the words of an American president. Who knows what the motivations might be, and there is no independent way to verify it. I'd say that is hearsay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney Trouble
I wouldn't be surprised if Bush actually did believe this, or if Huckabee actually did believe the 6-day creation story of the Bible --- I just don't think either one is dumb enough to say so publicly, even if they are fools.
There are many articles, google it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
also, check this out
George Bush states that atheists are not citizens or patriots
This article is about Bush senior (number 41), not George W Bush (number 43).Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney Trouble
Try this....Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
Bush = Senior
Shrub = Junior
:thumbsup:
Yes, the article is about ex-President Bush Senior, not current President Shrubbery Junior, both of whom are plants, and very questionable landscaping choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
yes i know that, like father like son i say
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Yesterday the Huckster, running for President, said "what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards,"
Huck, the Constitution and 'God's standards' - First Read - msnbc.com
I would like to point out that Sharia law is almost identical to Old Testament law.
Bill Maher said it best. Go Youtube him on his thoughts.
For any of you that are religious, and were born in the USA. Your religion will most likely be Christian/Catholic/Mormon/and so on. However, IF YOU were born in Iraq, or Pakistan, you would be enveloped in Islam or any of those Middle East religions, and not give 2 shits about religions I stated above. Just think about it.
Also I read a quote on someones signature here at cann.com that hit me like a bag of books. It said something like, We believe in gods(lower case for a reason) but you believe in 1 more than me, and for the reasons you dismiss other gods, is the reason I dismiss yours.
Thats not word for word, hence no quotes.
I find is hard for people to say they believe in god, and they read the bible, and they go to church on Sundays every week, yet their life reflects nothing of it, yet they will argue till the death on the subject. This isn't just a few people, but almost everyone that I know is a religious person.
I was born into a very hardcore Christian family where I was forced to go to church until the age of 18. Every Sunday was a battle between my mother and myself on my not wanting to go to church. However no matter how much I argued, I would be threatened with discipline if I didn't go, and when I didn't go(which was not often) I would be forced to do many many chores as punishment for not attending church.
While that may seem like I was raised in a crazy home, around this area it was very common for those treatments.
That may be the reasons why I despise god, religion. However I would like to think that I use logic to determine my mind and not past events.
To this day, if I'm in a conversation with someone, even a complete stranger, and god or religion pops up, and I start hearing the garbage being spewed, I will turn and walk away. While to religious people that seems unethical, however I never bring up my stances and neither should anyone else.