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Looks like Ron Paul won, with Tancredo in second if you look at the results posted here town by town, but when you scroll to the bottom the numbers literally do not add up.
Now they changed their website to show McCain winning. Did The Boston Globe make a huge mistake in their journalism, or did they accidentally report the truth?
I am glad I saved and uploaded this to youtube. Hopefully youtube does not delete my video.
YouTube - Ron Paul - Now The Boston Globe Changed Their Story
The Boston Globe's website, Boston.com just last showed Ron Paul or Tom Tancredo winning every town, but the totals did not makes sense.
Now they changed it.
They do not even mention Ron Paul on their "New Hampshire Primary Candidate Tracker".
Are they biased against Ron Paul? Even more importantly, was their any voter fraud at the New Hampshire election? We need a recount of the PAPER ballots.
I hope this gets looked into by the NH GOP or the FEC. 31 votes here... X votes there.. etc could add up. I doubt a recount will net Ron a win but the fact even one vote is miscounted or "missing" just goes to discredit the legitimacy of our elections.
Here is more info regarding possible voter fraud.
Hand Count Shows 15% For Ron Paul | Ron Paul War Room
I am starting to think that there is something fishy going on not because I support Dr. Paul but because I am reading arguments about Obama not getting all his votes counted.
Ron Paul Votes Not Counted In New Hampshire District
I already lost hope for the government.. every thing's already figured out for us don't worry! the government will choose the next president for us, as always.
"Diebold machines aid Giuliani, Romney".........Good ol' Alex Jones. LMAO!! SURE did help out Rudy didn't it? PART of the reason why Ron Paul isn't taken seriously IS his affiliations with the conspiracy sites; A.J. is doing him NO favors here.Quote:
Originally Posted by swice1
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
A.J is not the only one saying this. My post was not from any A.J site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
IF this has any validity wouldn't Ron Paul have made a statement? When/if he does then I'll put a bit of worth on the story. Conspiracy sites are his best friend.....seems damn funny that Ron hasn't made a statement.
Have a good one!:s4:
New Hampshire District Admits Ron Paul Votes Not Counted
Sutton township reported Congressman had zero votes, actual number was 31 Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Wednesday, January 9, 2008
[align=left]The head clerk of the New Hampshire town of Sutton has been forced to admit that Ron Paul received 31 votes yet when the final amount was transferred to a summary sheet and sent out to the media, the total was listed as zero. The fiasco throws the entire primary into doubt and could lead to a re-count.
As we reported earlier today, an entire family voted for Ron Paul in Sutton, yet when the voting map on the Politico website was posted, the total votes for Ron Paul were zero.
Vote fraud expert Bev Harris contacted the head clerk in Sutton, Jennifer Call, who was forced to admit that the 31 votes Ron Paul received were completely omitted from the final report sheet, claiming "human error" was responsible for the mistake.
Two or three votes not counted could be a plausible mistake - but 31 votes for one candidate? [/align]
"The classic method for rigging a hand count is to write the wrong number on the form," Harris told the Alex Jones Show.
"They are counting everything in public real nice, they fill out a form in public real nice and then they transfer it to another form and they call that a summary sheet and then that is the one they send in," explained Harris.
"What happened is she said they did not transfer the number correctly and put zero instead of 31 - that is unacceptable as an answer."
With 100% of precincts now reporting, the map originally listed zero votes for Ron Paul as you can see below. It has now been updated to reflect the 31 votes Paul actually received.
[align=left] The remainder of the 31 people in Sutton who voted for Ron Paul need to go public immediately with the charge of vote fraud and make it known that they were cheated out of their right to vote.
Harris estimates that it could cost the Ron Paul campaign as much as $67,000 dollars for a recount, but such a move could throw the entire primary into doubt, especially in light of the fact that Barack Obama appears to have been cheated out of a win by Hillary Clinton.[/align]
Clear Evidence Of Widespread Vote Fraud In New Hampshire
Paul and Obama cheated out of 3rd and 1st by voting machines, hand count fraud Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Wednesday, January 9, 2008
[align=left]There were several major vote fraud issues to arise out of the New Hampshire primary revolving mainly around Ron Paul and Barack Obama, who were both seemingly cheated out of third and first places respectively as a result of rigged Diebold voting machines and deliberate malfeasance in the counting of hand-written paper ballots.
- Obama had a 13 to 15 point lead over Hillary Clinton heading into the primary. Nothing occured that boosted Hillary's numbers immediately before the election, in fact immediately after the staged crying incident, many pundits argued it could only have harmed her chances. And yet Hillary somehow managed to instigate a near 20 point swing to defeat Obama by three per cent. If not for her 7% swing as a result of Diebold voting machines, Hillary would have lost to Obama. If Obama was struggling he would probably contest this bizarre outcome, but he is likely to accept the results simply to save face.
- The New Hampshire town of Sutton admits that it voided every vote Ron Paul received. The Congressman got 31 votes and yet due to a "human error," Sutton reported zero votes for Ron Paul. How "human error" can explain not counting 31 votes in succession for one single candidate is beyond the pale and Ron Paul's campaign should ask for a recount across New Hampshire immediately.
- As soon as people went public with the fact that their votes in Sutton had not been counted, other districts where Paul had supposedly received zero votes, such as Greenville, suddenly changed their final tallies and attributed votes to the Congressman. [/align]
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- Going into New Hampshire Ron Paul was polling in the early teens and was a strong bet to take third place behind McCain and Romney. Four days before the vote, Rasmussen had Paul at 14% - a significant lead over Huckabee on 11% and Giuliani on 8% - and yet Ron Paul finished with just 8%. Proof of clear vote fraud, allied with the fact that Paul's numbers show a 6% swing from normally accurate pre-polling forecasts, clearly indicate chicanery was at hand, especially considering the fact that Paul lost those crucial few percentage points to Giuliani as a reuslt of electronic Diebold voting machines which are known to be wide open to tampering and fraud.
[align=left]- Going purely on hand-counts, which as we saw in Sutton were by no means angelic but at least harder to cheat on than Diebold voting machines without getting caught, Ron Paul would have won 15% of the vote and finished third. This figure would have more accurately correlated to the pre-primary polls rather than the ridiculous 8% he was eventually given.
- Numerous districts reported totals of anything up to 22% for "other candidates". What on earth does this black hole of "other candidates" mean? How can one vote for a candidate that is not on the ballot without spoiling the ballot paper? The district of Lisbon reported 22.5% votes for this mysterious "other" candidate, while in the large district of Londonderry, the "other" candidate received 10%. Many are now alleging that these "other" votes were merely siphoned from Ron Paul to keep his final number low.
- Rudy Giuliani, the 9/11 candidate who beat Ron Paul thanks to the aid of a 3% swing on Diebold voting machines, received 9.11% of the vote in three different towns. Coincidence or somebody's idea of a sick joke?[/align]
first hand example that our votes still dont mean shit. if they are already having problems with the primaries, immagin whats going to happen when the election comes around.
Look, I know that America is a time in it's life where some change could help tremendously, but Ron Paul has no chance, so please stop flooding cannibis.com with your well intended but completely useless debates and or discussions about RP and the good he will do for America...........:stoned:
I TOTALLY AGREE
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
PLEASE STOP THE DEBATING..........http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/...ot-chance.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/...your-head.html :stoned:
3 threads on this "so called" conspiracy? Come on now people, somebodys not reading. It's all merged here for your viewing pleasure.........
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
A good example of democracy here ldg420 just having a look but this is the politics forum if a can.com member wants to debate & others are interested in it I don't think its your place to tell them they can't. If an admin finds the topic breaches the forum rules I'm sure they wil do something about it. If you don't like the debate you can always choose not to read it. But IMHO in politics when someone asserts you can't its really just because they don't want you to.
This is crap..Gotta love American government pause, not.
1-7-08: Silvestro the Cat & New Hampshire Elections
UPDATE JAN 9 9am PST: TOWN OF SUTTON CONFIRMS RON PAUL TOTALS WERE 31, NOT ZERO.
I just got off the phone with Jennifer Call, Town Clerk for Sutton. She confirmed that the Ron Paul totals in Sutton were actually 31, and said that they were "left off the tally sheet" and it was human error.
This is not an acceptable answer, especially because one of the most common forms of fraud in a hand count system is to alter or omit results on the reporting sheet. Hand count is lovely, transparent. They then fill out another reconciliation sheet, often in front of witnesses, and it looks fine. Then they provide a summary or media sheet with the incorrect results.
A Web site here: Where's The Voter-verifiable Paper Trail for each ballot cast? has more on fraud techniques with hand counted paper ballots. You'll have to dig for it -- or Google, and the excellent research on this is Theresa Hommel from the state of New York.
Black Box Voting - Welcome to www.BlackBoxVoting.org, Citizen center for elections oversight
:thumbsup: I don't really like Kurcinich but he makes a hell of a point here!
Kucinich Asks for New Hampshire Recount in the Interest of Election Integrity
DETROIT--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich, the most outspoken advocate in the Presidential field and in Congress for election integrity, paper-ballot elections, and campaign finance reform, has sent a letter to the New Hampshire Secretary of State asking for a recount of Tuesday??s election because of ??unexplained disparities between hand-counted ballots and machine-counted ballots.?
??I am not making this request in the expectation that a recount will significantly affect the number of votes that were cast on my behalf,? Kucinich stressed in a letter to Secretary of State William M. Gardner. But, ??Serious and credible reports, allegations, and rumors have surfaced in the past few days?It is imperative that these questions be addressed in the interest of public confidence in the integrity of the election process and the election machinery ?? not just in New Hampshire, but in every other state that conducts a primary election.?
He added, ??Ever since the 2000 election ?? and even before ?? the American people have been losing faith in the belief that their votes were actually counted. This recount isn??t about who won 39% of 36% or even 1%. It??s about establishing whether 100% of the voters had 100% of their votes counted exactly the way they cast them.?
Kucinich, who drew about 1.4% of the New Hampshire Democratic primary vote, wrote, ??This is not about my candidacy or any other individual candidacy. It is about the integrity of the election process.? No other Democratic candidate, he noted, has stepped forward to question or pursue the claims being made.
??New Hampshire is in the unique position to address ?? and, if so determined, rectify ?? these issues before they escalate into a massive, nationwide suspicion of the process by which Americans elect their President. Based on the controversies surrounding the Presidential elections in 2004 and 2000, New Hampshire is in a prime position to investigate possible irregularities and to issue findings for the benefit of the entire nation,? Kucinich wrote in his letter.
??Without an official recount, the voters of New Hampshire and the rest of the nation will never know whether there are flaws in our electoral system that need to be identified and addressed at this relatively early point in the Presidential nominating process,? said Kucinich, who is campaigning in Michigan this week in advance of next Tuesday??s Presidential primary in that state.
New Hampshire Recount On The Cards Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, January 10, 2008
New Hampshire Republican candidate Albert Howard is prepared to put his name behind a primary recount in order to ascertain if the example of "human error" in the town of Sutton, where Ron Paul was originally given zero votes, was an isolated case or if wider vote fraud took place.
The move is also being backed by the "Granny Warriors," a Ron Paul supporters group. Alex Jones has agreed to throw his full support behind the demand for a recount.
The following statement appears on the Granny Warriors website, along with a donation toll for raising the necessary $65,000 to fund the recount.
With all the strange events going on in the primary and with solid statements of actual fraud in NH everyone is calling for a recount which should be take care of by the Campaign staff but that isn't going to happen it seems.If fraud is uncovered in the Republican primary it may also throw the Democratic result into doubt, especially as suspicions are widespread about how Hillary Clinton managed to overturn a 13 point pre-polling deficit to defeat Barack Obama.
Therefore... we the Grassroots will fund our own recount for Dr. Paul.
Every cent will be put toward the recounting and we will just see if we can stir up enough attention to really get a good count now. Perhaps it will also give notice to other states not to mess with the counts.
Lets get this done before it is too late and facts and figures can be altered.