I Use Honey Because it Tastes Better than Molasses

So yea, I have no molasses and the grocery store is out... :(

But I have H 0 n $ Y! :thumbsup:

And I like the taste waaaaay better than nasty, bitter molasses.

Come on, it has "ass" right in the middle of the damn title.

Did you honestly think it would be yummy? :wtf:

And do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

And I shore do not want any buds that taste or smoke like ass.

So why feed ass to my plants? :wtf:

So yea, anyone want to come to the rescue of my poor plants and tell me I am a fool?

Or is this super-nifty copesetic? :rastasmoke:

Never heard of honey as a part of a nute program. Have read about using it as a rooting hormone for cloans.
As for adding it to my nute program, I'll let you try it and see what happens and follow this thread to make my determination.

honey tends to 'ball-up' and congeal when cool, while blackstrap molasses stays dissolved, even in cold water .. at least, that's been my experience with it ... and, your preferences as to how it tastes to YOU, has no relevance to the plant ... plants lap up manure, too :jointsmile:

where do you think the phrase, "this is the shit" came from?

Well, I gave my plants their first dosage of fertilizers two days ago. They seedlings sprouted on the 16th, but were not growing much.

I know I ferted too early, but it worked. I used the recommended dosage for indoor potted plants (which is much lower than for outdoor) of miracle grow fertilizer with a picture of a tomato plant on the front, and very high in N.

Anyway, I also mixed in 1 cap full of H2o2 (hy. peroxide) and 6-7 drops of honey into half a gallon of water with the miracle grow and watered my plants with it.

By that evening I could see obvious growth after a week of stagnation.

Then today, I flushed one pot with 2 defected looking seedlings, and then transplanted a vigorous seedling from an overcrowded pot in to the recently flushed pot. Then I added another half gallon of the fertilizer cocktail, see above recipe.

Too many variables to evaluate the effectiveness of the honey, but we shall see what happens.

dammit, I meant to post that in my grow log and then put a link to my log in this thread for those who want to see what honey does. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by the image reaper

honey tends to 'ball-up' and congeal when cool, while blackstrap molasses stays dissolved, even in cold water .. at least, that's been my experience with it ... and, your preferences as to how it tastes to YOU, has no relevance to the plant ... plants lap up manure, too :jointsmile:

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lol, good one reaper. :D:thumbsup:

After lots of research and detailed nutrient profiles, it turns out that molasses beats honey with its ass really badly. If honey had an ass in it, it would be getting kicked by molasses.

Interestingly enough, regular molasses is entirely different than "Blackstrap" and is also quite inferior, although still better than honey.

In the vitamins category, honey and molasses are not very different. Honey contains Vitamin C and molasses does not, and honey has folate but molasses does not.

In the minerals category, molasses blows honey out of the hive. Molasses is like eating a chunk of stalagmite.

However, "Blackstrap" is definitely the way to go over regular molasses or honey. It does not contain any sugars though, so your plants are not getting any real carbo boosters...

wow.....I've heard that too but am not sure why. Can you elaborate on this knowledge? :)

Thats what I use, Brar rabbit backstrap mollases just before going to flower and during as stinky puts it one good glop 1 1/2 Tbls. per gallon. ( excuse the spelling don't have the bottle in front of me)
Note: Did have bad experiance when adding mollasses to early veging plants. Made my ph jump and had to flush out, doing fine now on just water, FF big grow, and Hydrogen peroxide.

Hey jerry, I had the EXACT SAME THING happen to me when I used molasass...had HUGE ph/burn issues. There's an old thread around here somewhere about it....never used it since. These days I stick with the Sweet.

Never used the sweet stuff yet, From what I experianced is when a plant has a mature root system they can handle the mollases, but when young and establishing a root system they are just to fragile.

MJ plants can handel almost anything you throw at them and live thru it except high ph in my oppinion.

i'll add overnute to that list of deaths jerry. ;)

I've had PH issues ever since using Molasses and plants/yeild have suffered because of it.

Now at the point that I have a choice, I am going to pick up the Botanicare Sweet which is actualy far more cost effective than purchasing many litle cartons of Molasses (No bulk molasses around here).

One bottle of Sweet is $26.00, we pay $4.99 for each molasses and I go though 3 ($15.00) in a cycle. I figure I can get 5 cycles out of one bottle of Sweet.



By the way, nuting your seedlings at day 16 since germination may not show immediate reaction, however over the next few days you may notice burn happening...maybe not if the dose was low and not too hot..

They really aren't lying on here when they say don't nute until alternating nodes.
Pumping nutes into babies will do more damage than good. Patience grasshopper...love them but don't over love them.

Greetings,

Can someone please explain to me the benefits of using hydrogen peroxide when watering?

Thank you,
Lifesrun

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Originally Posted by Lifesrun

Can someone please explain to me the benefits of using hydrogen peroxide when watering?

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Hydrogen peroxide acts as an oxidizer that kills harmful molds, bacteria, and other nasty maladies, while proving to be useful to beneficial microorganisms in the soil. It also adds just a little extra oxygen to the soil after being watered. I think hydro growers also use it to keep the levels of algae down in their reservoirs.

As for honey vs. molasses...I've used both, and won't use honey much anymore, for several reasons: Honey is generally more expensive, honey doesn't break down in water as easily as molasses does, and most store-bought varieties of black molasses actually contain traces of beneficial nutrients, besides the sugars.

Thanks for the molassas info Mr C.....that's what I was looking for.

As for H202....yes, I use it to kill harmful bacteria, keep algae down and to add extra O2 to the roots in my hydro system. I use it at 2 tsp/gallon every other day. ;)

don't forget, when using H2O2 hydrogen peroxide to kill bacteria and oxygenate the solution, you are killing beneficial bacteria as well ... if you use a product like Liquid Karma or EJ Catalyst, anything 'live', you're wasting your money while using peroxide ... :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by the image reaper

don't forget, when using H2O2 hydrogen peroxide to kill bacteria and oxygenate the solution, you are killing beneficial bacteria as well ...

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Does this also apply to aerobic bacteria? I thought aerobic (beneficial) bacteria could thrive, while anaerobic would get oxygenated and killed...but I may be totally wrong about this.

Thank you for the feedback...I will indeed use the hydrogen peroxide sparingly to my routine grow protocol. Eight Ice and 10 WW. First time with these particular strains and only want the very best for my plants...thanks again.

Kind Regards,
Lifesrun

Maximum Yield - Why Use Sugary Supplements? Good mag,... :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Mr. Clandestine

Does this also apply to aerobic bacteria? I thought aerobic (beneficial) bacteria could thrive, while anaerobic would get oxygenated and killed...but I may be totally wrong about this.

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MR. C - I think you are confusing terms. Aerobic bacterial live in an environment with air - anaerobic bacteria thrive in an airless environment. Aerobic/anaerobic has nothing to do with if a bacteria is beneficial or harmful - it merely defines the environment in which the bacteria live.

PC :smokin:

PC - Thank you, sir...I was confusing the terms. I knew anaerobic bacteria thrived in near-airless environments, and for some reason was under the impression that H202 would oxygenate one microorganism over another.

Too much smoking, and not enough reasoning, I guess... :stoned:

Since I use a good bit of organic material in my soil, would I be better off not adding peroxide to my water? Or would the benefits of having extra oxygen around the roots outweigh the disadvantages?