My first grow

Thought I'd put this here so maybe someone can see it and give me pointers. My plants are about 3 and a half weeks, they look good, to me anyway. Just started them on 600wt mh, and pure blend pro grow, mixed to about 1/4 strength. One plant is about 4 days older than the other 2. Temb keeps hovering around 88-90, I know thats probably too hot. I don't know when to feed them again, I didn't use much, 2 look dry already, but I felt moisture a couple inches down so will water tommorow. Got a ph tester, keeps saying 7, so maybe it needs a battery or I'm stupid. or stoned. or both. I got the whole start of this log in plant problems, I know there is a way to link it or copy it? Help? Will get some fresh pics tommorow, hopefully. These pics are last day under flourescents and without fertilizer. Today they are already looking better, thicker, I can't believe how fast the stalk thickens!

Its friday night, I should be sleeping, gotta work in an hour or so. Are they looking good? When should I add "sweet" to the fert. mix? How often should I give them fert? Can I flower em and get a ton of buds yet??

Oh, in case you cant tell, the flourescents are off, and under the girls I can remove those tubs when they start getting too tall. I need dedicated mentors to watch my log closely. Watch my log..

you can flower now if you like,i usually start mine flowering after 3 weeks or so to try and keep them kinda short,if you find my grow log you'll see plants that have been vegged for between 3 and 4 weeks before switching to 12/12,they weren't that big when i switched them 16 days ago,but it's amazing how much they grow in flower,3 have about doubled in size over last 16 days and the other is even bigger than that,it's gone from 10 inches to 26 inches in last 16 days,and that height doesn't take into consideration the fact i bent the main stem,i guess it just depends how big you want your plants to be,and remember it's possible for your plants to double or even triple in height during flower

Looking great so far!!!

I see you want to maximize your yeild. To do this you neet to start LST. You need some wire coat hangers, cut it into pieces 6'' to 8'' long, bend one end to have a resemblance of a fish hook. Now take the plant and bend it over until the top of the stem is parraell to the soil, now take the coat hanger hook and line it up so it isinbetween 2 nodes near the top that is strong enough to hold the plant down, push the hook into the soil, then just leave it. In less than 6 hours the top will already start growing to the light, and the nodes will show growth in 2 days. Keep repeating this for the entire veg cycle and all them branches from the nodes will turn into big colas in flowering. Probably triple your yeild.

I have a good demo of this going in my log. ''2nd grow from cloans and THC Bomb from seeds" anb results in my log '' final veg and flower white widow and mystery seed.

Wish you the best of luck and we will be here for you your entire grow just keep posting.

LST? Hmm, maybe start on the oldest, since I've already been bendin her a little. I will try and find a chance to really research LST, is it similar to using zip ties? Double or triple?! Thats what I need, a nice quick, fat first grow. How soon til I learn the sex?

About 1 week into flower you can tell the sex, I veg untill my space is full then go to 12/12. Wait one week pull the males this opens space for the females to flower.

left to right: finger pointing to twisty tie location, view from the front, and from above. Hows she lookin? They all got a little water today, very dry and light. Next time fert?

So if this looks good, maybe I should LST the other two?

I plan to LST also, let me know how it goes :jointsmile:

Looks good, you got the basics, down.
I see you went to 12/12 already, I would like too see you wait a week or more. No big deal if you did, it will still work. Now what will happen is all them small branches will start growing even with the main top and you will have 4 or more colas instead of one.
If you start a new grow start doing LST when they are 6'' tall or starting first set of 5 finger leaves. Then continue tying anything that grows 3'' vertical so your plant is never more than 6'' tall the entire veg cycle which is untill the bucket is full. This took a 5 1/2 week veg on my last grow, but worth it, for my current grow I am going to try a 6 to 7 week veg with cloans and grow some monsters this way.

Deaner btw I just looked back at some pics looks like you have a lot of space next grow you could start with 8 to 12 plants from seed or around 6 cloans, you can grow 1 plant per every 1.5 sq. ft.

And if I use LST how much yeild should I be shooting for? 6 females grown with lst would= ? I think I will tie up the other 2 tommorow. Should they stay tied or do you undo the tie after a while. I am still on 24 on by the way, wont flower til they are twice as big or when I get some seeds or clones. With a 600wt mh, becoming hps to flower, how many plants could I think about growing at one time?

I have a 600w also. A 600w will cover a 4'x4' area perfectly, I start off with 16 at seed in 2 gallon buckets, I LST to keep the plants canopy at 6'' to 8'' until the grow space is full horizontally, then stop LST and let them grow vertical for 1 week or until the canopy is 12'' to 16'' tall then take cuttings from all the plants from the really small branches at the bottom that will never grow into a large bud or cola. Then go to 12/12, after a week you will be able to definitely be able to sex the plants, remove the males, transplant the girls into 5 gallon buckets and give the girls plenty of room to become ladies. You can then toss the cloans from the males.
Then when your first crop is finished flowering your cloans are ready to go in the box. And so on and so on.

Oh yah! you can flower a max of 9 in a 4'x4' space this way.

Well we covered LST now lets see what you are using for nutes. There are 2 ingredients that stay consitant in both my veg and flowering (not germination or seedlings, use only plane water for them) is 3 Tbls of hyrogen peroxide and 1 1/2 Tbls of mollases per gallon of water. The hydrogen peroxide promotes root growth because it has a radical oxygen atom that is easily absorbed by the roots and the mollases provides sugars needed for all around growth. I then add low amounts of nutes spaciffic for the stage of growth. Right now for you I would recommend Fox Farm big bloom in doses reccomended on the bottel for every watering. Then switch to Tiger Bloom just before going to 12/12. You do not have to use FF nutes just make sure you follow the directions for every watering
I feel it is better to keep a constant weak nute program then a high powred shot every other watering. Less chance of burning the roots.
Well that about covers it for now.
Keep posting your progress.

I've fertilized with Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Gro twice now, today, and 2 days ago, its mixed weak. Can I add the peroxide, mollasses to this, or is it fine by itself? Guess I will tie up the third tonight after work. 9 plants sounds perfect, how much per plant could I shoot for? Next round I will start 20 seeds, hopefully end up with 9 strong females.

I haven't made it to harvest yet but from seed it is looking like I am going to get more than 2 oz from my best female and around 2 oz from 6 others and more than 1 oz. the last 2 runts. So a good estimate is 2 oz. per plant with a 6 week veg. this is very dependant on strain and conditions during grow though. But your conditions are very similar to mine. I don't think you mentioned what strain your growing. Do you know? Looks indica dominant by the leaves to me, this is good for big thick and heavy buds.

And yes go ahead and start the mollases and hydrogen peroixide in your next watering. And yes it works by itself. I have never used the nute your using what are the nutriant numbers for it? ie. 26/12/12.

Lookin very healthy. :greenthumb:

this stuff says: 3-1.5-4 premium organic plant food for vegetative growth formula, and adding the Sweet next feeding, which is basically the same as the mollasis I think. Can I clip leaves if they are blocking the light from hitting the colas? The one is pretty bushy and the leaves are giving alot of shade.

your using a 600 watt HID right?plus cannabis specific nutes?2 oz per plant seems a little low to be shooting for i reckon,i use 400 watts and never veg more than 4 weeks,use orchid feed for veg and african violet feed and cactus feed for flowering and the odd mollasses,no fancy nutes designed for cannabis,no bloom boosters,yet average 4 oz per plant(had 6 from one),you should maybe set your sights just a little higher,i mean i'd be pretty disappointed with 2 oz per plant if i'm honest,and i'm no expert

oh,and if you can try tucking the leaves under the colas they're blocking or pull them out the way rather than cutting them off

Atsar,
Thanks for the corection, I was not sure and gave a conservitive number, it is hard to guess weight being so far from harvest.

yeah man,it's a hard thing to estimate is final yeilds and even harder to get an answer too,there's just too many variables,lights nutes ventilation strain etc,but it helps to know what other people are pulling per plant,my 1st plant was a proper runt only 18 inches tall when i harvested and i was expecting like a half ounce based on what i was told yet i got 2 oz from it

Oh yeah, they are looking good. Still need to add SWEET to my nute jug. Probably start em on that tommorow. They really suckin up the fluids!

Deaner,

Merry Christmas,

They look droopy, also you have some yellowing leaves. Do you have a moisture meter? How much and how often are you watering and what is your pot size? droopy leaves are a sign of underwatering, as for the leaves I need more info from above to properly diognose.

I water whenever the pot feels light, and the top looks dry, I am afraid to water too much because I was told the yellowing was from OVERwatering. I'm confused. And whether or not to use the nutes everytime I water them.. I' ve never heard of a moisture meter.

Forgot one thing, you can remove the leaves that are blocking light to new growth, this will promote new growth. I remove the leaves that point straight up to the light and straight down into the soil and leave the ones that are horizontal when doing LST.

WTF just wrote a post and never made it on here

Oh well try again,

Deaner,

A moisture meter is a tool with a prob that you stick into the soil and lets you know the moisture content of the soil at differant depths. When I first started to use mine I found I was not watering enough for fear of the same thing you are "OVER WATERING" but when I used the meter I found the soil at the bottom of the pot was dry. So to counter this problem there are 2 ways 1st is to water slowly (around 16 oz a miniute) until water comes out the bottom of the pot. 2nd is to break up where you water if you have drainage saucers with high sides 1" or more water 2/3 on top and 1/3 on the bottom, the soil will act like a sponge and soak up the water from the bottom.
After using the meter for a couple of weeks, I noticed when the plants need water the leaves at the very top of the plant are at the 3 to 4 o'clock position, when the plant is happy and has enough water they are at the 2 to 1 o'clock position.

Removed a few leaves, gave them the 1/4 strength pure blend, and sweet, givin them a little xmas treat. Temps are finally staying under 80, took the cover off the fan seemed to do the trick for some reason.

Great!! you got the temps in the 70's

BTW you can get a moisture meter at HD for $10 to $15

Now I realize with the fan, the grow rooms getting a little more obvious. Kids over for a night, by the time they come over again I gotta be a little less obvious. Without the big fan, the temp goes through the roof, so how to hide that? Gonna cut a big square hole in my door for the fan, and try to kinda work towards sealing the room (from light)comepletely so its ready for flowering.

Leaves still droopy, wondering if I can repot them for the last time yet, add some perlite and not have to repot at all? 3 gallon buckets be good? or do I need the 5? I'm so ready for some homegrown buds for my ever slim stash. Flowering is easy to prolong when you've got a bunch, not so easy when you run out.

I went back and looked at some of your pics, What are they currently in 1 gallon pots? if so 3 gallon will work, but if you can use 5 gallon that garentees they won't get root bound, As for temps you need to do something. If you are getting into the 90's that is not good and a cause for your droopy plants, repoting will help get more water to the leaves but you have got to get the temps down. I see you live in Alaska. Is there any way to get some outide air to them? that is what I use to cool my grow box.

You can flower at any time now! I would repot first wait a coulple of days for them to get over the shock then go to 12/12 , plus after transplant keep your plants tied down so the other branches will grow with the main cola during flower.

Flower already? I don't want to lose out on bud by flowering too early, but I guess, I'll think about it,and work on repotting. 5 gallon buckets would be ok, seem huge though! Temp is staying under 80 today, getting the fan right took a bit. 78 degrees is good right? I think I would get some tiny lil buds if I flower now..

Sorry you confused me in your previous post, You sounded desperate and were going to flower cycle no matter what.

78 is a good temp lets go ahead and transplant now you may be root bound already in the pots your using. Give a day or two for recovery then growth will start to pick up.

Transplant should be easy you will have a nice tight rootball, how I do a transplant is fill the bucket you are going to use about half way, pack down lightly, now take either an empty container you are currently using or with a plant in if an empty one is not available. Now place this pot in the new one check the hight of the top of the soil in the small contaner to where you want it in the new pot, add or remove soil from new contaner to adjust the hight. When you have the proper hight place the small pot in the large container and add soil in between the two pots and lightly pack down until the soil levels are even. Now remove the small pot gently from the new pot and you will have a perfectly shaped hole ready for the plant. Remove the plant from the small container and place in the hole in the new pot. Water with hydrogen peroxide and molasses water formula and you done.

No rush to flower. Just want lots of good sticky buds. Next batch of seeds will be here in about 2 weeks hopefully, then I will probably start flowering, and start the next batch, I ordered satori,speed queen, and cheese from mandala, or something like that. 10 each of the 3 I think. And I ordered some from I'm not sure, planetwax?? Got the classic pack, not remembering what that is though.. I gotta repot them, only have a couple 5 gallon buckets. I want to set up the grow closet to have 2 chambers, 1 for flowering, 1 for getting them to that point, run 2 crops at once. Then I could have around 6 batches a year of 9 or so plants, should be a good amout of buds for me. A couple pounds of bud every couple months would be perfect. Feels like I just repotted but they have grown quite a bit since then I guess.

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Originally Posted by Jerry Garcia 2007

Sorry you confused me in your previous post, You sounded desperate and were going to flower cycle no matter what.

78 is a good temp lets go ahead and transplant now you may be root bound already in the pots your using. Give a day or two for recovery then growth will start to pick up.

Transplant should be easy you will have a nice tight rootball, how I do a transplant is fill the bucket you are going to use about half way, pack down lightly, now take either an empty container you are currently using or with a plant in if an empty one is not available. Now place this pot in the new one check the hight of the top of the soil in the small contaner to where you want it in the new pot, add or remove soil from new contaner to adjust the hight. When you have the proper hight place the small pot in the large container and add soil in between the two pots and lightly pack down until the soil levels are even. Now remove the small pot gently from the new pot and you will have a perfectly shaped hole ready for the plant. Remove the plant from the small container and place in the hole in the new pot. Water with hydrogen peroxide and molasses water formula and you done.

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Deaner your going to love the Cheese. Im growing a few Cheese Hybrid's myself. Good Luck with your grow.

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I repotted my oldest into a 2 gallon bucket, and put my un lst'd other one in the old gal pot. I know I will have to just repot again, but guess I'm adopting some new girls, octuplets, and they are bout ready to flower so I wll be flowering alot and also cloning alot real soon. Pickin up 8 tommororw hopefully, will let 2-4 go to a friend since he's been helpful to me getting started (I'm a Karma guy). So, yeah fer me huh? I wonder if I should lst the new girls too, they are all definate females, since they are clones, how fuckin sexy is that? 8 identical clone girls.. oh yeah I'm stoned.. I keep feeding them cuz they keep gettin dry, hopefully it's ok to do this, they seem to be enjoying it. It is hot and dry in there and very sunny, I'd be thirsty too, especially being made of plant, I get cotton mouth from smokin it, they ARE it. I need to take a break so I can enjoy mine, not have such a crazy tolerance they seem weak ya know?

Your sounding like Bradjolina for adopting all them girls.

Can you get some pics so we can see your progress? sounds like you are going to have a full grow and them some, your getting like me I went crazy with cloning now I got so many plants going, I am still trying to figure out how I am going to deal with them.

Pics when I find my damn camera, lil s.o.b. took off and hid somewhere on me. Room looks ready for the adoption, still haven't got ahold of the parent, oops there he was, later tonight 8pm ish. Damn it all! Oh well more time to prepare for the girls.