Hermie solution - confirmed!

I posted a few days ago about a product that another grower had tipped me off on called Reverse from Dutch Master. I thought I'd come back and let you know how it went.

Quite simply this stuff is amazing. I applied a liberal dose - 250ml plus 2.5ml of Dutch Master Penetrate - to my last plant. There were two male flowers that I'd left on there deliberately, just to see what would happen. I was NOT expecting results nearly as quickly as I got them but....

Within 24 hours the male flowers had stopped producing pollen and they fell off the plant when I touched them. I haven't seen a single additional male flower since. This stuff has, quite simply, saved my grow.

And, no, I don't work for them :D. In fact, I really wish I'd heard about this stuff a lot sooner since I chopped my biggest plant last week when it hermied badly. But I know a lot of growers lately have had hermie problems and this is the first time I'd heard of this product, so I thought I'd pass on a helpful tip.

thanks for the report :thumbsup: ... sounds like it saved a plant for 'smoking' OK ... true test will be to see if the 'cured' female passes any new traits onto its progeny, as I suspect the 'hermaphodite-tendency' trait would still be present, and no good for creating seeds ... :smokin:

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Originally Posted by the image reaper

true test will be to see if the 'cured' female passes any new traits onto its progeny, as I suspect the 'hermaphodite-tendency' trait would still be present, and no good for creating seeds ... :smokin:

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Oh, there's no doubt in my mind that the plant would pass on the hermie trait. I have no plans to continue growing with the offspring of this plant. Right now it's all about trying to get good quality, seedless bud and not loosing the entire grow because of the hermie problem.

This stuff isn't modifying the genetics as far as I know. I believe that this is the same type of hormone therapy that they use to force a female plant to hermie so they can get femmenized seeds - only in reverse.

Good for you to have found the stuff. I've been preaching it for years and it finally seems to have hit the mainstream.

Does it reverse the plant back to its original sex or does it specifically remove the male traits? Lets say I had a male and stressed it so much it hermied..... would this stuff change it back to a male or remove the male sacs and make it a female? Sorry if this is confusing I think I just confused myself :D

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Good for you to have found the stuff. I've been preaching it for years and it finally seems to have hit the mainstream.

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I wish it was more mainstream than it is, honestly. When my first plant hermied, I looked at several different message boards and websites to see if there was anything to be done. The plant hermied rather badly and picking off the nanners as they formed was pretty much out of the question. The only other advice that *I* found was to chop the plant.

If only that grower had chimed in with the recommendation earlier, I could have saved what probably would have been a few oz of bud. Oh well, live and learn.

You can be sure that I'm going to become an active disciple in your preaching campaign :D.

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Originally Posted by Infamous

Does it reverse the plant back to its original sex or does it specifically remove the male traits? Lets say I had a male and stressed it so much it hermied..... would this stuff change it back to a male or remove the male sacs and make it a female? Sorry if this is confusing I think I just confused myself :D

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Scratching my head on this one lol.

I've never heard of anyone getting a MALE to hermie and produce female flowers, probably because most people just kill the males at first site lol. But I don't think this product would work like that.

To the best of my, admittedly limited, understanding, this product works through hormones. In breeding, when a grower wants to create femmenized seeds (that will produce ONLY female plants) they take healthy female plants and give them male hormones which forces them to hermie. This Reverse stuff does the opposite - it gives female hormones to the plant. This has the effect of suppressing the male traits and eliminating the male flowers. But I *think* the plant had to have been female originally - or at least a natural hermaphrodite.

I suspect...and this is only a guess...that if you applied Reverse to a male plant you'd get a hermie, but I don't think it would cause the plant to cross over and become completely female, because it wouldn't actually elminate the male genetics.

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Originally Posted by Infamous

Does it reverse the plant back to its original sex or does it specifically remove the male traits? Lets say I had a male and stressed it so much it hermied..... would this stuff change it back to a male or remove the male sacs and make it a female? Sorry if this is confusing I think I just confused myself :D

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According to Dutch Masters, it is the same technology that is used to make seedless watermelons. It's like it neuters the plant.

You are actually supposed to use Reverse within the first ten days of flowering as a prophylactic measure. It works later on in flower, but then you have to get your buds all wet and that's never a good thing.

PC :smokin:

Very very true that you can preach until you are blue in the face but no one hears it until its something THEY need. If you run a search on hermies here....you will find no LESS than 10 (and probably a LOT more) references to using Reverse to stop the problem by ME ALONEand god knows HOW many from otherse who use the product. Yet only NOW am I seeing people actually stop, read, spend the bucks, and actually use the stuff. It's so HARD being so FAR ahead of the game.......:S2:

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Originally Posted by PharmaCan

You are actually supposed to use Reverse within the first ten days of flowering as a prophylactic measure. It works later on in flower, but then you have to get your buds all wet and that's never a good thing.

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Yeah, but the stuff is so friggen expensive that I'd hesitate to use it as a preventative, unless I already knew that my plants had a high chance of turning hermie. I shelled out $45 for the two bottles I bought - the Reverse and Penetrator.

As for getting the buds wet, I'm not sure how big of a problem that is. When I sprayed my plants on Friday night the spray was completely absorbed within about 10 minutes. I suppose in areas with higher humidity, mold might be an issue, but it's pretty dry where I live, especially in winter.

PS....I believe Reverse only works with female hermies. It's also only gauranteed to work if you use it according to the instructions on the bottle....day 1 of bloom and then repeat on day 10. Otherwise it does NOT promise to stop male flowers ALTHOUGH I have heard of SEVERAL people using it in other ways with good results. ;)

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

If you run a search on hermies here

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Ah see, there's my problem. I didn't actually search. I looked at Stinky's stickies and scanned the first 2-3 pages of plant problems. And did pretty much the same thing on other sites - checked the FAQ and just scanned the forum.

Unfortunately I figured that the hermie question was one of those that gets asked over and over and over, and that it pretty much always got the same answer. As a result, I didn't see any of YOUR posts.

Guess that's what I get for being lazy :o

Ah...I don't know if that's lazy. It certainly never occured to ME that there might be some spray out there that would prevent hermies.....know what I mean? I found the stuff as much of a miracle as you did.....believe me. :D And yes....it was AFTER I discovered a problem myself. ;)

It is kind of funny because I have a very good friend who sends me seeds from his plants that hermie.....the seeds are all female because the plants themselves are. On another site someone mentioned that such seeds will also most likely hermie (of course) so he always got rid of them. I don't......I use Reverse, grow them, and smoke them. I doubt I'd use such seeds for breeding but for growing for myself of COURSE! :thumbsup:

Yeah, I knew about the hermie thing. I had a batch of clones from my plant that I was gonna use to make a couple of mothers for future grows. When the plant hermied I chucked them, figuring I didn't want to keep the hermie genetics since very future grow would also hermie.

But now that I know about this stuff, I might take another handful of cuttings. It'll save me from having to order seeds for next time.

Does anyone know why Dutch Master Reverse has a disclaimer in tiny little letters stating "hydroponic use only"? I can't see how it would make much difference as it's a foliar spray. Thanks.

I wasn't aware of that......but I'm sure you can use it on soil plants. I've used it on plants grown in soil myself. Perhaps they are afraid people will snort it or inject it or something.......

I wonder if it produces manboobs

I checked with the Dutch Master website in Australia. In their FAQ section they say the reason they put "for hydroponic use only" is for registration purposes. Apparently all of their foliar sprays can be used with any grow media. Cool. Spray away!

It's been about 3 days since spraying with Reverse. Other than some leaves starting to turn lighter, I really haven't noticed much. Does anyone know how long it takes before you notice results?

What sort of results are you looking for? The only result you should really see is no balls which is more of a what you DONT see thing I think.

Did what I say make any sense.....? :stoned:

I guess I'm waiting for all the bananas to magically disappear. :)

thanks for the info everyone.... i grew out another bag seed and just cut it down yesterday at week 12. it was a sativa for sure, and was starting to throw nanners but only a couple seeds. i guess thats the way it goes with bagseed, seeing as it was one of only a couple seeds i found on the pot.

i may try this product, but i dunno. i ordered nl#5, blue mountain jamaican and california orange from VSB as an early christmas present to myself. hopefully the genetics are good as i've never had a hermie before the aforementioned one.

Huntley,

It won't make them disappear.....only prevent new ones from growing....:(. You are actually supposed to use it on day 1 and day 10 of flower then your females WON'T hermie. Any nanners already on your plant are there to stay......sorry. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Huntley,

It won't make them disappear.....only prevent new ones from growing....:(. You are actually supposed to use it on day 1 and day 10 of flower then your females WON'T hermie. Any nanners already on your plant are there to stay......sorry. :cool:

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I hear they have this surgery out called Nannerplasty....I'm not sure but I think it involves removal of the 'manhood':wtf:
...lol

Sup Weedhound, how's tings?

Weedhound,

I never had this problem before I started buying seeds. White Widow seems to be the worst. Bought from a different place this time. Don't know why the other continues to go hermie, though. Conditions are optimal. Second batch of clones from the same WW look much healthier and were easier to root than the first so maybe things will improve. I'm also going to spray on day 1 and 10 with the Reverse. I ordered a product called "Le Femme Sex Change Hormone" from a place in Australia. Maybe you've heard of it.

Afraid that's a new one on me. The absolutely 100% most common reason I have found is light leaks. A good light leak will LAUGH at your Reverse and hermie your plant anyway. For me, most other kinds of stress do NOT seem to break through the Reverse and here is a (partial) list of things I have done to my plants during flower.....with NONE going hermie.

Undernute, overnute, broken branches, burned them with molassas, burned them with fungus spray, over pruned, abnormal ph (both ways), water too cold, left the pump off and anything up to about 2 screw ups with the lighting.....NO hermies.

I think you have a light leak. ;)

Weedhound,
Hermies abound so I think it's time to clean things up and start over. It won't be a total loss though. Oddly enough some plants weren't effected at all, some only slightly. A lot got tossed. I'm starting to wonder if I might be giving them too much light. This all started a few months ago when I went to 600s for 12/12 stage. I assumed it was a coincidence. They're vented well so it can't be heat. Perhaps instead of just starting over I should think about backing up. Maybe dust off those 400s I still have.

I can't believe going to a six hundred from a 400 will do that.....I'm thinking that there is light leaking in somewhere during your dark period. A good rule that I was taught was that if ANYWHERE in your grow section you can see your hand in front of your face its not dark enough. Do you have anything glowing like reset buttons on your surge protecter etc etc....? What seems very small to you could seem like a LOT of light to your plants.

I have 2 600s in a closet that's about 4'x6'. Hoods are up high and vented well but that's still a LOT of light for such a small space. As for leakage problem, I found a 4 pack of blackout curtains, about 40"x84", for $68 plus shipping. If nothing changes at least I'll have eliminated the main suspect.

wondering if you followed the label then took clones from sterlized mom. say day 2O of flower you cut know hemie, that you reversed on day 1 and 1O and now on day 2O there are none, but its a plant you know from previous grow is hermied good by day 2O w/baby nanners.

so its a good mom now? i mean a clone is a exact copy, so the reverse clone siouldnt hermie? epigenetics would apply, but ?? ? im high.

weedhound, i used help_neededs hermie method before...rip and toss. I will try this if the need arises.

420...personally I wouldn't "trust" a plant that had a background that included any "relatives" that hermied. It's very true that if you use Reverse (and no continuous light leaks) your plant will not hermie but the genetics are still there. You're just changing their conditions for awhile. ;)

Weedhound - It's been about 3 weeks since I used Reverse and installed blackout curtains to eliminate even the possibility of light leaks. If these gals go hermie now I can't imagine what it could be. I'm right at 30 days into flowering cycle and so far no bananas. Do you think I'm safe or am I not out of the woods yet?

Hey All,

I'm curious, if you have some probability of hermi's wouldn't it be a good practice to use Reverse as a preventative measure regardless of spotting any nanners?

:jointsmile: Farmer Rich

Hi Huntley,

Sounds good so far. Light leaks (and I mean more than one....say three or four different occasions) are the worst thing so if you can avoid those you should be golden. ;)

Rich that actually is the recommended way to use it. I spray all my stuff as directed on the bottle as a preventative and it works great! :thumbsup: The only thing I've seen REALLY break through the Reverse is continual light leaks.

Hi Weedhound,

Thanks for reply and confirming what I thought.. Too bad I didn't figure this out a little earlier! I got a hermi in my first grow that managed to spread some pollen around my box. Oh well, the next one will be better!!

:jointsmile: Farmer Rich

It's possible I've had light leakage probs since day one and just didn't notice it until I got something more sensitive like White Widow. I mention this because I've noticed an overall improvement with everything else. Since we're discussing the benefits of Dutch Master's Reverse, does anyone know of something they make called Liquid Light? Seems to improve the plant's ability to use light more effeciently.

I heard about Liquid Light from Opie Yutts.....and have just started using it myself. My hydro guy says he has gotten rave reviews about it but I can't speak from personal experience....yet. ;)

What exactly does it do weedhound?

Dutch Master

Let me find Opie's thread on it....