What will we do about Population Growth/Overcrowding??

The world population continues to rise at a very rapid pace.
The population will be like double what it is now in MY lifetime.

Eventually we will have to do SOMETHING.
What do you think the answer is?
Laws restricting the number of kids we can have?
Space Colonization?
Genocide?

Its scary to think about because you know something DRASTIC will have to happen. The Earth simply cannot support the number of people who will be living in this world in the not so distant future?

Interesting tidbit from a geography class last week:
1 out of every 6 people in the world is a chinese peasant!

aldeady started seeing the effects of it already. there are people starving all over the world for lack of food... the poorer countries are going to be what are the hardest hit... ones that cant afford all the advances in agriculture... quite simply we are going to run out of food and fresh water sometime soon. maybe the whole global warming issue that were dealing with now, is natures way of keeping the population in check. i live in north dakota, and this year was the first year since 1999 that we have had a decent wheat crop on my side of the state... the other side of the state has been dealing with flooding ours drought. now if it were to happen on a much broader scale, which it has started to happen already, the food shortage will be much more worse then it would be due to just population growth. now if on top of this all, we go through a couple of really hot years, then the temp plummits into an ice age, thing of how many people will die from that. if half the earth is covored in ice, there will be epic food shortages, epic water shortages, and genocide of many animals. whatever may happen, our generation is on the verge of something major happening for the worst. by the end of the centry, a epic disaster will happen. best we can do right now is try to live the best we can and hope we dont add anymore the problems that are starting to unfold

All these poor people without food and here we our in America, thinking about which day of the week we wonna smoke mary jane on. My goodness. hah

We will either solve the problem ourselves or nature will solve it for us through ecological collapse, economic collapse, social collapse, starvation, disease, and war. People in a lot of the world are intimately aware of hunger and they know exactly where thier food comes from. Most people in this country do not know where their food comes from or how the economy, the environment, and the climate contribute to what they eat. A sudden change in the cimate is likely to result in a lot of people in this country and the rest of the world getting a good lesson in hunger, starvation, and ultimately cannibalism.

The Chinese have the right idea in their concept of no more than one child per marriage. They haven't acheived that goal yet, but at least they are trying.

There is an expression I've heard from parents who declare that by having children they've "contributed to the population". The exact opposite is true. The less you procreate, the better it is for the human race, the earth's ecology and other species.

We can all live on the estates of the rich people. They can't control all of us vagabonds.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

The Chinese have the right idea in their concept of no more than one child per marriage. They haven't acheived that goal yet, but at least they are trying.

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Yeah. Good idea, tragically implemented. I fail to see how forced hysterectomies for women who have had multiple pregnancies is the 'right idea'. And the issue that better-off Chinese families can now afford to have ultrasounds and abort the 'undesirable' female fetuses. It's just one happy place, huh?

Your new avatar, by the way, is in exceptionally poor taste. Maybe you should stick to the evils of grain as a cause- In case you haven't noticed, a lot of our members have, and cherish, their own families.

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Your new avatar (breukelen advocaat), by the way, is in exceptionally poor taste. Maybe you should stick to the evils of grain as a cause- In case you haven't noticed, a lot of our members have, and cherish, their own families.

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He's only trying to say that he doesn't want a baby with a beer-gut.

Or, bow legs. I can't tell.

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Originally Posted by 4.2O

The world population continues to rise at a very rapid pace.
The population will be like double what it is now in MY lifetime.

Eventually we will have to do SOMETHING.
What do you think the answer is?
Laws restricting the number of kids we can have?
Space Colonization?
Genocide?

Its scary to think about because you know something DRASTIC will have to happen. The Earth simply cannot support the number of people who will be living in this world in the not so distant future?

Interesting tidbit from a geography class last week:
1 out of every 6 people in the world is a chinese peasant!

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I am all for the genocide and totally eliminating all 3rd world countries.
Pretty much everyone on the planet would have to die if I had my way and only enough people would be allowed to keep me in oil & gas for my motorcycles, tires, riding gear and food.

the weight from all the people is going to knock the earth off its axis and send it hurdling toward the sun..We are ALL gonna die!

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As standsrds of living rise, people tend to have fewer children. Some of the most developed countries actually have decreasing populations --- there are several with negative population growth in Europe. The US has nearly zero population growth due to birthrate --- it continues to grow through immigration.

If you live in a very poor country, children are your economic security, because they can go to work to help bring money into the family and they can support you in your old age.

If you live in a wealthy country, children are costly because you have to raise them in an expensive society and do things like pay for braces for their teeth and put them through college. And if your country has something like Social Security, or you earn enough to fund your retirement, you don't need children as much to see you through your old age.

If the rest of the world develops more economically, then maybe population growth will stabilize. Of course, if the rest of the world develops more economically, they will also want more consumer goods --- fewer people, but each one consuming more resources.

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Originally Posted by 4.2O

The world population continues to rise at a very rapid pace.
The population will be like double what it is now in MY lifetime.

Eventually we will have to do SOMETHING.
What do you think the answer is?
Laws restricting the number of kids we can have?
Space Colonization?
Genocide?

Its scary to think about because you know something DRASTIC will have to happen. The Earth simply cannot support the number of people who will be living in this world in the not so distant future?

Interesting tidbit from a geography class last week:
1 out of every 6 people in the world is a chinese peasant!

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I know what they're going to do about it in America...Tobacco is one of them...alcohol is another

Theres so many different things to worry about I don't think much will ever get done.

Here's an article from an Australian medical journal.

Parents should be taxed $5,000 for extra kids

Tamara McLean
December 10, 2007 05:17pm


Parents who have three or more babies should be charged a lifelong tax to offset the carbon emissions their extra children produce, a medical expert says.
A new report published in an Australian medical journal has called for parents to be charged $5,000 a head for every child after their second, and an annual tax of up to $800 every year thereafter.

And couples who get sterilised would be eligible for carbon credits under the controversial proposal.

Perth specialist Professor Barry Walters is heavily critical of the $4,000 baby bonus, saying that paying new parents extra for every baby fuels more children, more emissions and "greenhouse-unfriendly behaviour''.

Instead, it should be replaced with a "baby levy'' in the form of a carbon tax in line with the "polluter pays'' principle, he wrote in the latest Medical Journal of Australia.

"Every family choosing to have more than a defined number of children should be charged a carbon tax that would fund the planting of enough trees to offset the carbon cost generated by a new human being,'' said Prof Walters, an obstetrician at King Edward Memorial Hospital in Perth.

Sustainable Population Australia suggested a maximum of two, he said.

By the same reasoning, contraceptives like diaphragms and condoms, as well as sterilisation procedures, should attract carbon credits, the specialist said.

"As doctors, I believe we need to think this way,'' he wrote in a letter to the journal.

"As Australians I believe we need to be less arrogant."

"As citizens of the world, I believe we deserve no more population concessions than those in India or China.''

Professor Garry Egger, director of the NSW Centre for Health Promotion and Research, agreed with the call, saying former treasurer Peter Costello's request for three children per family - "one for mum, one for dad and one for the country'' - was too single-minded.

"Population remains crucial to all environmental considerations,'' wrote Prof Eggers, a leading advocate of the personal carbon trading debate.

"The debate (around population control) needs to be reopened as part of a second ecological revolution.''

Family groups have rejected the calls, saying larger families use less energy than smaller ones and therefore should not be penalised.

AAP

All we need is another good old fashion world war to straighten the population problem out again. Elect Rudy he should be able to get the job done with his limited mental capabilities.

Have you heard about Thomas Malthus?

"The power of population is so superior to the power of the earth to produce subsistence for man, that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human race. The vices of mankind are active and able ministers of depopulation. They are the precursors in the great army of destruction, and often finish the dreadful work themselves. But should they fail in this war of extermination, sickly seasons, epidemics, pestilence, and plague advance in terrific array, and sweep off their thousands and tens of thousands. Should success be still incomplete, gigantic inevitable famine stalks in the rear, and with one mighty blow levels the population with the food of the world."

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Originally Posted by fasterspider

I am all for the genocide and totally eliminating all 3rd world countries.

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Well... i wont expose here my own opinion concerning your country... the very least that would happen to me is a perma ban (as most of mods here also are from u.s.a.)
Anyway... i will let the sands of the time revenge it. My 3rd world's country has NO natural catastrophes (NO hurricanes, NO uncontrolable fires, NO earthquakes)... my country is not target of crazy terrorists, nor of the worlds hate... it has a LOT of oil... it has a PLENTY of water (in fact it has most of the worlds drinkable water) and it will be a serious issue in the future... it has a very good climate, a very fertile land... so we dont need to buy food from another countries... in fact, we export food to many countries (including yours... if you drink coffee thank US!) And all this things are more important each day... so soon there will come the day when you from this so beloved country of yours will envy us here... and i sincerely hope live enough to see it all.

First off, mother nature is all powerfull. She balances the in-balance. Gays and lesbians will not produce kids(for the most part). Disease is always an option. but if we don't want to end up on mother natures bad side, I suggest we start issuing licenses to birth. Alot of people are in no position to support a child mentally or financially.
But because sex is the only legal drug left(That actually makes you feel good), Child birth rates will continue to rise. Our only hope is to start thinking a little more realistically. Over population will kill all of us.

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Originally Posted by Coelho

Well... i wont expose here my own opinion concerning your country... the very least that would happen to me is a perma ban (as most of mods here also are from u.s.a.)
so soon there will come the day when you from this so beloved country of yours will envy us here... and i sincerely hope live enough to see it all.

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The murder rate in your country, Brazil, is over four times higher than the United States'. Other crimes rates there are equally high, and most go unsolved.

Brazil

My father owns about 15 acres or so up in the Adirondacks... Worst comes to worse I'm moving up there and building 10' fences around the entire thing! :D

We could start eating each other..
No more overcrowding, no more starving.

and that's a double whammy!

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Originally Posted by CanaDanKs Inc.

We could start eating each other..

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We may see that day sooner than we think.

Follow Chinas example.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

The Chinese have the right idea in their concept of no more than one child per marriage. They haven't acheived that goal yet, but at least they are trying.

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Yes, at least they are trying.
This is a rumor I heard not long ago on TV, but one of the problems with that Chinese law are, that if they don't get the baby (male) they want, it tends to turn-up dead. (can't remember the show, otherwise I wouldn't preface it with the rumor label)

If everybody would just have a kid to replace themselves, the global population would stagnate in the next couple of generations. I blame religion for this careless multiplying. "We're going to Heaven y'all!"

why are we having kids? we're just havin sex here, dammit!

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Originally Posted by 4.2O

The world population continues to rise at a very rapid pace.
The population will be like double what it is now in MY lifetime.

Eventually we will have to do SOMETHING.
What do you think the answer is?
Laws restricting the number of kids we can have?
Space Colonization?
Genocide?

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Thats why we have places like Oakland....and Detroit.
I saw a thread in here where someone said there is a murder everyday in their city.....Baltimore....in that thread "Lady attacked on a public Bus"
Plus we have Tond of people dieing in Iraq and all over.....abortions and everything....I aint too worried.

Prepare for anything.

Hopefully people will be smart enough to learn that getting married and having children at a young age is a dumbfounded decision.

We need to stop motivating the people to get married and have children. We need other people to survive, but too much is enough, and what we are doing now is not helping.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

The murder rate in your country, Brazil, is over four times higher than the United States'. Other crimes rates there are equally high, and most go unsolved.

Brazil

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nah man, Brazil is a pretty good country.
i read an article the other day that said they will be totally self-reliant on oil by 2011. Wish we could say that about the US. It is the economic and political power of Latin America. AND they have some hot chicks.

And if there are lots of murders that would only help contribute to the problem my thread wanted to discuss. People need to realize that if we said certain things now it would be considered "distasteful" or "unsympathetic" but eventually we will have no option. The sad truth is that I personally believe we will have to start killing off those people who are statistically less likely to do anything good for the world. It's terrible but the Earth's carrying capacity simply isn't high enough for the rate we are making babies. Sex just feels too good i guess..

Mother Nature or a war wont stop the population rise. If I am lucky enough to live to see 110 there will be 4 times as many people on this planet as there currently are. Check out the graph....

If you want to help then don't have kids and just adopt some!!!
You can love them just the same! :)

it is sad 2c what we r doing 2 our world
this is all there is folk's
we need 2 start takeing better care of it
any way we can
it kinda scare's the fuck outta me ta tell ya the truth
and make's me terribley sad
the older people have already fucked up
it's up 2 our young people 2 take controll and start helpin our furure, or what there is left of it
God b with our younger generation

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Originally Posted by 4.2O

Laws restricting the number of kids we can have?

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There was a discussion on this on the radio recently, and someone pointed out a major flaw in this strategy - we would eventually end up with an increasingly aged population and too few young healthy adults to look after them.

For starters I'd say get rid off the war mongering totalitarian governments of the world? How? Don't ask me that.

More seriously, it might help if everyone stopped eating so much meat. I'm not suggesting everyone turns vegetarian, but we need to cut down our consumption of meat since it requires a lot more land to produce than vegetarian sources of nutrition.

Secondly, we need to start rolling out sustainable technologies to meet global energy demands, I think we should be developing solar power technology whilst we still have enough fossil fuels to do so.

hmm if there was a way to control our population it would probably be a virus, a virus that completely destroys our immune so that other virus can easily kill us, oh and also it probably will be transfered when people try to procreate that way everyone trying to make more of us will be in danger. Lets face it nature is controlling the population already, at least i hope its nature :stoned:

meh, if everyone in the world gathered in the same place and stood an arms length apart form each other we could fit us all in texas.....do the calculations, seriously


were not running out of room

clearly, as demonstrated here in the states and other well off nations were not running out of food either.....its just the issue of equal and fair distribution that we need to worry about because everyone deserves food

Eugenics. WAKE UP PEOPLE! The Endgame...It's already underway! And you are part of it, one way or another. Educate yourselves, draw your line in the sand and be ready.

Ron Paul 2008

We will have to build bigger cities in what we consider unhospitable places, like in the desert, under the sea or floating on the sea, that would take care of the where to put people situation, we would then have to find a better source of energy something clean like solar or wind power on a bigger scale than we do now.
Feeding the population would need to be by using genetically modified crops that could grow say in the desert.
We could move into space either on another planet or on huge cities floating above the earth, failing that we could all just kill and eat our neighbours, there are lots of viable solutions.

Cheers

NCM

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Originally Posted by Peruvian Devil

hmm if there was a way to control our population it would probably be a virus, a virus that completely destroys our immune so that other virus can easily kill us, oh and also it probably will be transfered when people try to procreate that way everyone trying to make more of us will be in danger. Lets face it nature is controlling the population already, at least i hope its nature :stoned:

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This virus already exists... its called HIV. And i also would like to think that it is a nature creation, but im sure its not...

The world would be much better off with only about 4 or 5 Billion. As population grows, there will eventually be some kind of compulsory social engineering, and hopefully it will be humane, not like Hitler's Germany.

What will we do? Go 50 miles in ANY direction and you will be in the middle of fucking nowehere :) buy property, when you get old you can sell it and retire.

There is no such thing as over crowding or over population except in Tokyo. I live in the suburbs of Los Angeles and if I take the I10 (main east/west artery in SoCal) east for 20 miles I am in the middle of nowhere. If I take the I5 (again, major north/south artery in SoCal) more then 30 miles, I am in the middle of nowhere and this is Los Angeles, not Iowa, Montana, Nebreska, Idaho, Dakotas, Colorado, etc.

The population could explode by 20 in the next 100 years and we still wouldn't run out of space.

More housing = more jobs = more stores = more everything.

Overpopulation has caused starvation, disease, genocide and many other problems that a significant percentage of the world is going through. We don't see it much in our society, but it's very much out there if you care to look. And, it's going to get worse if measures aren't taken to control it.

The ground is getting crowded? No problem...