US Intelligence report concludes Iran is NOT developing nuclear weapons

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran welcomes US nuclear report

"Iran has welcomed a major US intelligence report which suggests its government is not currently trying to develop nuclear weapons.
The latest National Intelligence Estimate says it is now believed Iran stopped its weapons programme in 2003.

Tehran has always maintained its nuclear programme is being developed purely for peaceful purposes.

But the US and other Western powers say Iran is trying to build a nuclear weapons capability.

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"It concludes that the country is not likely to have enough highly enriched uranium to build a bomb until 2010-2015."

They are STILL enriching uranium....the key element in having a nuke.

Have a good one!:s4:

Once more I find it massively hypocritical that the country with the biggest nuclear arsenal and the only country to ever use them is trying to dictate who may or may not develop them.

It's typical of Americas attitude of do as we say not as we do.

Edwin Starr got it dead right man.

but remember, whenever the bush administration says they are, it doesn't matter if they have them or not...

The willingness of the people is variant from the autocrat.

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Originally Posted by psychocat

Once more I find it massively hypocritical that the country with the biggest nuclear arsenal and the only country to ever use them is trying to dictate who may or may not develop them.

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and once again you fail to recognize that it's not just the us that is trying to stop nuclear proliferation, but world opinion as a whole. is it so odd that the world would not want a country whose recent history includes harboring terrorist training camps, open threats directed at their neighbors and a general hostility toward the entire non-islamic world to get their hands on some of the most devastating weapons known to mankind? considering how pakistan spread nuclear weapons technology around not so long ago, it seems a bit naive to believe that iran would be any more reticent to hand out such weaponry to some rather nasty folks.

As far as I can see the most agressive nation is America , in recent history thay have proven thier willingness to sacrifice thier own in thier need to dictate to others.
As for support of terrorists it was the US who backed Pinochet and we all know what happened because of that.
The Pinochet File

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Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity

it's not just the us that is trying to stop nuclear proliferation, but world opinion as a whole. is it so odd that the world would not want a country whose recent history includes harboring terrorist training camps, open threats directed at their neighbors and a general hostility toward the entire non-islamic world to get their hands on some of the most devastating weapons known to mankind? considering how pakistan spread nuclear weapons technology around not so long ago, it seems a bit naive to believe that iran would be any more reticent to hand out such weaponry to some rather nasty folks.

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The same country who's leaders are waiting for the return of the Mahdi should be allowed to have nukes? Living in the U.S. we can just wait for the fallout but what will the opinions of the Brits be when London glows?

Have a good one!:s4:

The way I see it; until we have rock solid evidence that Iran is building/has a nuclear weapon, or they outright admit that they are building them, the US has no right invading/declaring war on them. What kind of world will we have if superpowers are allowed to declare war and kill hundreds of thousands of civilians whenever they get suspicious? It sets a dangerous precedent that eliminates the necessity of just cause for declaration of war.

Very well said Gandalf
I can imagine my defense in a court if I thought like that .

Yes your honour the man I beat to death with a baseball bat was looking at me like he wanted to kill me.
Judge : He was serving you coffee.
Yes your honour but I felt threatened because I thought he might have a weapon.
Judge :You were in a coffeeshop.
Yes your honour but I was certain in my mind that he was going to attack me so I went home , got a baseball bat and smashed his head in just in case he did want to attack me.

I can't see the judge saying "okay man just go home , he deserved his skull bashing in for looking at you like he wanted to kill you ".

A History of American Wars

This makes very interesting reading.

whether they've got nuclear weapons or not is irrelevant. the US government has always planned to invade, and they will, regardless of their weapons capabilities.

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Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity

and once again you fail to recognize that it's not just the us that is trying to stop nuclear proliferation, but world opinion as a whole. is it so odd that the world would not want a country whose recent history includes harboring terrorist training camps, open threats directed at their neighbors and a general hostility toward the entire non-islamic world to get their hands on some of the most devastating weapons known to mankind? considering how pakistan spread nuclear weapons technology around not so long ago, it seems a bit naive to believe that iran would be any more reticent to hand out such weaponry to some rather nasty folks.

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But you do not personally know that they were harboring terrorists. You've only heard that. Unless you are in the CIA or some other intelligence agency, I don't think you can accurately say that they've harbored terrorists. They like to say and lie about a lot. Were there WMD's in Iraq? No, but before they didn't find any, most people thought there were. I just don't see how you can take their word for it... it's all pro-war propaganda...

greg420, you are right about what you say.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

"It concludes that the country is not likely to have enough highly enriched uranium to build a bomb until 2010-2015."

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...by which time the Republican's will be back in power again.:D

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

They are STILL enriching uranium....the key element in having a nuke.

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Do you know how to make a nuclear bomb? No, I didn't think so. It takes more than just enriched uranium to make a nuke. Iran isn't a threat but we keep threatening them in the media and we have american leaders speaking openly about wanting to bomb Iran. You are falling right into pure neo-conservative propaganda. How can you kill a bunch of people just because their government MAY POSSIBLY be developing something that may or may not lead to the discovery of nuclar bombs. War with Iran is not the answer Psycho4Bud.

america should nuke every continent except north america, then nuke canada and mexico...then set themselves on a pedestal...and shoot themselves in the fucking head...problem solved...dead men can't argue, debate, or fight over nukes, power, and property...

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america should nuke every continent except north america, then nuke canada and mexico...

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damn, i keep screwin' up these damn youtube links. can anyone else get it right?

Right click the adress bar of the link and copy and paste it into your post.

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But you do not personally know that they were harboring terrorists.....

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cynicism can only be taken so far and still remain rational. one set of lies does not necessarily lead to another and taking for granted that everything the administration says is a lie is a useless waste of pointless malice. as usual, y'all seem intent on laying the entire mess at the us's feet even though it is a matter of world wide opinion and foretelling the us invasion of iran as though it were a foregone conclusion. there seems to be little point in discussion with those who can only see the us as the great satan and refuse to even entertain the notion that there might be some greatness left in the country.

one can only hope i got it right this time. probably not.:rolleyes:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCim7mmLWRA[/YOUTUBE]

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Nuclear report a victory - Iran

"The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei, said Iran had been "somewhat vindicated"."

Looks like the war hawks will have to find another reason to justify their imperialist crusade, or maybe they could just resort to the old tried and tested method of telling the same lies until they get enough stupid people to follow them....

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Looks like the war hawks will have to find another reason to justify their imperialist crusade, or maybe they could just resort to the old tried and tested method of telling the same lies until they get enough stupid people to follow them....

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Never mind that they're still enriching uranium......so tell me, what do ya use enriched uranium for if your NOT producing energy?

Seems to me the "stupid people" are the ones wearing blinders. You have the leader of a nation waiting for (The Mahdi) a dude to come out of a well, which won't happen untill the end of times, and has stated that a neighbor should be wiped off the map but hell, lets give this asshole the benifit of the doubt huh?

A religious fanatic enriching uranium.......Isn't that SPECIAL.:wtf:

Have a good one!:s4:

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Originally Posted by psychocat

Once more I find it massively hypocritical that the country with the biggest nuclear arsenal and the only country to ever use them is trying to dictate who may or may not develop them.

It's typical of Americas attitude of do as we say not as we do.

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It's much better to have the biggest gun in my opinion, even though I have a big gun does not mean I want people with little guns shooting at me so the obvious solution is not to let them have any.
Just my tuppence worth.

NCM

Another thing regarding this.......since when does the left believe ANYTHING that U.S. intelligence has to say. Hey, use the information when it fits your agenda and discard it when it don't.

Have a good one!:s4:

I love you delusions. End of story.:hippy::hippy:

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I love you delusions. End of story.:hippy::hippy:

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thanks

i need all the help i can get. the shrinks all say i'm a lost cause, but i still think there's a glimmer of hope at the end of my tunnel.:hippy:

This reinforces Ron Paulâ??s position that a pre-emptive attack on Iran â?? an option advocated by other GOP presidential candidates and DEMS â?? would be unwise and unwarranted.

Congressman Paul issued the following statement in response to the report:

â??We needlessly and foolishly threaten Iran even though they have no nuclear weapons. I find it incomprehensible that as the failure of our Iraq policy becomes more evident, some want the same kind of policy toward Iran. A policy of peace, trade and diplomacy, is superior.â?�

The reportâ??s finding that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 supports Congressman Paulâ??s view that military action against Iran is contrary to American national security. The report found that any Iranian nuclear weapon capability is not imminent, and noted that the State Departmentâ??s Bureau of Intelligence and Research judges that Iran is unlikely to have the capability to produce a nuclear weapon before 2013.

â??While candidates with virtually zero foreign policy experience like Rudy Giuliani are advocating escalation, Dr. Paul â?? an Air Force veteran and member of the House Foreign Relations Committee â?? has been a staunch opponent of expanding war into Iran,â?� said Ron Paul spokesman Jesse Benton. â??More than any other candidate, Ron Paul understands that America cannot afford to make the same mistakes with Iran that were made with Iraq.â?�

GO DR. PAUL

I'd much rather live under an American "do as we say not as we do" policy regarding nuclear weapons than fairly letting EVERYONE under the sun have them.

Love us or hate us, we are NOT the ones you should be worrying about, but any Middle Eastern country having the ability to produce a nuclear weapon. They are clearly not ready. The Middle East is a hotbed for terrorism and dictators and all sorts of anti-freedom. Let them live in the 17th century if they want but like hell should they have any sort of nuclear military power!

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I'd much rather live under an American "do as we say not as we do" policy regarding nuclear weapons than fairly letting EVERYONE under the sun have them.

Love us or hate us, we are NOT the ones you should be worrying about, but any Middle Eastern country having the ability to produce a nuclear weapon. They are clearly not ready. The Middle East is a hotbed for terrorism and dictators and all sorts of anti-freedom. Let them live in the 17th century if they want but like hell should they have any sort of nuclear military power!

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Agreed. We as Americans, only look at the negative aspects of our government and never take a second to realize how much we take for granted our freedoms, lifestyles, and luxuries that present themselves on a daily basis. I, for one, would like to fight terrorism in another country, rather my own. Even though its here, obviously, our daily lives are much safer than those in some third world countries and I'd like to keep it that way. I don't know about you, but I don't think I'd like getting nuked.

:stoned::stoned::stoned:

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Another thing regarding this.......since when does the left believe ANYTHING that U.S. intelligence has to say. Hey, use the information when it fits your agenda and discard it when it don't.

Have a good one!:s4:

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Hmmm let me think, ever since we realised that everything that comes out of the mouths of the US government is complete bollocks? When they bombed the shit out Iraq and didn't managed to find any weapons of mass destruction? Certainly when George W Bush usurped his way into the Whitehouse, that kind of lost my trust in the mans word right from the start.

I can't really think of a single thing they've said anyway which fits my agenda...

Iran may well have ulterior motives, but from where I am sitting I am way more concerned about what will happen to the world if the US invades Iran as opposed to not doing anything.

fucking BA<M!!!! but yeah...sorry I 'm wasted...

seriously there's no fix for this..unless the people stand up and do something as a unity...thats' the fuckign problem...ther's no fuckin unity in this world...we need to voice our opinions somewhere more than just on cannabis.com (even though it owns the sky)....stand the fuck up people!...ok I'm done...sorry...I'm probabluy off topic.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

The way I see it; until we have rock solid evidence that Iran is building/has a nuclear weapon, or they outright admit that they are building them, the US has no right invading/declaring war on them. What kind of world will we have if superpowers are allowed to declare war and kill hundreds of thousands of civilians whenever they get suspicious? It sets a dangerous precedent that eliminates the necessity of just cause for declaration of war.

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Excellent point that I often wonder myself.

Last I checked, under the rules of engagement, you shoot at someone who is shooting at you. So this killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians.....if they have a gun and are shooting Americans, that doesn't make them a civilian, it makes them a combatant.

The word "War" is ambiguous. During the 1940's it meant one nation against another or several. War, now, has no meaning. It's an action not an event. We are supposedly fighting terrorism, maybe the reasons for engaging in "War" with Iraq was inadequate but once again, I'd rather fight it there, than here. We're killing hundreds of thousands of civilians???? I don't think so. Saddam hussein, WAS killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, but obviously that doesn't matter to Americans right? Us Americans are sitting in our home with no to very very little treat of terrorism. Why? Why are WE living such a fruitful life while our citizens doubt our government. I am in no way in support with many of our governments decisions, but I am a American and am happy to live a life that our government has built for us.

That being said, the government should have no say in what we put in our bodies, thus any drug should be decriminalized/legal.

I may be a cold asshole...but in my opinion Saddam can kill all the hundreds of thousands of civlians he wants (wanted). I don't think it's America's place to run all over the world and try to police other countrys. It may be wrong what dictators do and we might not agree with communism, but really who are we to go running around changing shit?

and I completely agree with the idea that any drug should be decriminalized.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Never mind that they're still enriching uranium......so tell me, what do ya use enriched uranium for if your NOT producing energy?

Seems to me the "stupid people" are the ones wearing blinders. You have the leader of a nation waiting for (The Mahdi) a dude to come out of a well, which won't happen untill the end of times, and has stated that a neighbor should be wiped off the map but hell, lets give this asshole the benifit of the doubt huh?

A religious fanatic enriching uranium.......Isn't that SPECIAL.:wtf:

Have a good one!:s4:

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Are you kidding me P4B? Their waiting for "The Mahdi" to come out of a well? George W. Bush is waiting for "Jesus Christ" to come back from the dead and save him from the evil earth!

Seriously, you are just being prejudiced and closed-minded. You have absolutely no proof or reason to believe that Iran is developing nuclear weapons and you just buy right into whatever fox news tells you. Once again, enriched uranium is not the only thing you need for a nuclear weapon! A nuclear bomb is very complicated to create. You are no expert on nuclear bombs.

So I guess our dumb figureheads can make threats to nuke Iran while their dumb figureheads make threats to wipe Israel off the map.

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Last I checked, under the rules of engagement, you shoot at someone who is shooting at you. So this killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians.....if they have a gun and are shooting Americans, that doesn't make them a civilian, it makes them a combatant. .

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What engagement are you talking about?
Iran has not attacked anyone so how is your statement relevant?
America has a history of agressive behaviour towards any country they feel isn't playing to the US tune. That's assuming they haven't covertly managed to undermine duly elected leaders like in Chile.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Another thing regarding this.......since when does the left believe ANYTHING that U.S. intelligence has to say. Hey, use the information when it fits your agenda and discard it when it don't.

Have a good one!:s4:

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I think the WMD fiasco may have damaged the believability of any so called intelligence.

I don't think you have to be an expert in nuclear technology to be slightly alarmed by the actions and word taken by the Iran leader. To be honest though it's China I'm worried about. They are spending astronomical amount of revenue on defence, and apparently have the ability to build submarines with clocking devices! I don't think anyone is going to want to mess with them. China, a country who tortures their own people for their religion, who is occupying a neighbouring country and forcing their leader to live in exile, and who exports weapons grade uranium to Pakistan doesn't seem to be very high up in George Bush list of places to start fucking.

The intelligence report only concludes while Iran is still a threat, it's been greatly exaggerated by the Bush Administration. A non-event really, because the information of Iran nuclear capability has been known for a while. Iran is a decade away from producing a nuclear weapon that'll actually do some damage. US still has time to form strategies instead of wavering it's saber.

What a goddamn mess Bush has created.