Are Ron Paul Supporters â??Constitutional Terroristsâ?�?

Are Ron Paul Supporters â??Constitutional Terroristsâ?�? Kurt Nimmo
TruthNews
Monday November 19, 2007

In the wake of Glenn Beck calling Ron Paul supporters â??terrorists,â?� we should remember that the FBIâ??at least the FBIâ??s Phoenix anti-terrorism task forceâ??believes those of us who support the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are terrorists.
â??A disturbing flyer purportedly authored by the FBIâ??s Phoenix anti-terrorism task force has been circulating in the conservative community. The flyer instructs the reader to report as a possible terrorist anyone who asks why they were stopped by police or anyone who dares to defend â??the U.S. Constitution against federal [sic] government,â??â?� Declan McCullagh wrote back in November, 2001.

So I gave the FBI field office a call. FBI spokesman Ed Hall confirmed the flyer was produced by the joint anti-terrorism task force in Phoenix. But he said it dealt with domestic terrorism: â??That flyer was put out two years ago. Someone picked it up, and put it on the Internet like it was put out this week.â?�
Hall admitted the section that said anyone spotting a defender of the U.S. Constitution â??should call the Joint Terrorism Task Forceâ?� was perhaps a tiny bit ill-advised. â??It could have been a bit better foundation worded saying youâ??re not a right-wing extremist if you defend the Constitutionâ?¦ or if you ask a police officer why theyâ??re stopping you. Thereâ??s some misinterpretation there.â?�
He added: â??Not that a person who defends the Constitution is a criminal or terrorist, or a person who askes you, â??Why did you stop meâ?? may be a terrorist, but certain things, I donâ??t want to use the word common, certain characteristics that these people who were legitimately investigated reflect it.â?�

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Is it possible the FBI considered its COINTELPRO â??a tiny bit ill-advisedâ?� and thatâ??s why it went on, undiscovered and uninterrupted, for decades, destroying countless lives, including the actress Jean Seeberg and any number of less famous activists?
In fact, the brochure in question is quite explicit and reading it leaves little room for â??misinterpretation.â?�
Al Lorentz, chairman of the Constitution Party of Texas, writes:

Many of you have no doubt heard of the FBIâ??s pamphlet on identifying domestic terrorism. Perhaps you saw as I did the black and white copies floating around but wondered if these were simply manufactured on someoneâ??s personal computer. I frankly thought the same when I first saw them and so I wrote to the FBIâ??s office in Phoenix and received an anonymous and official reply from a nameless individual there.
The tone of the letter I received back was both officious and rude. â??Yesâ?� the brochure was printed by them but it went on to explain â??the general public was not supposed to see itâ?�. I wonder if that would be a defense to a traffic ticket â??Yes officer, I was speeding but you werenâ??t supposed to see meâ?�.
The letter also went on to assure me that the brochures were never in fact distributed even though I and hundreds of others have seen them which begs the question: â??How did I get a copy of this brochure?â?�
Now a color copy has surfaced and we have it here for all to see. We ask that instead of copying the picture, you distribute a link to the page because we want to make people aware of more than just the brochure, we want to make them aware that there is a political party that is legitimate with a long history that is not only aware, it is doing something. In addition to this brochure, those who receive the link from you will also find a website that is dedicated to the preservation of our Constitutional Republic and provides insight, commentary and resources to that cause.

Follow this link to see a reproduction of the color brochure.

Indeed, it appears the FBI campaign against â??Constitutional terroristsâ?� has gone prime-timeâ??from the Joint Terrorism Task Force to corporate media neocon shills such as Glenn Beck and Bill Oâ??Reilly, the latter who wants to lock up â??leftist loonsâ?� in opposition to the occupation of Iraq, including filmmaker Brian DePalma and billionaire Mark Cuban.
Finally, it is likely no coincidence Oâ??Reilly characterizes his enemies as â??loons,â?� a noun defined by the American Heritage Dictionary as follows: â??One who is crazy or deranged.â?� And â??liberalâ?� Bill Mahr believes those who talk about realityâ??Building 7 was not brought down by fire aloneâ??are in need of Paxil.
Recall Bushâ??s â??New Freedom Initiative,â?� a blatant violation of the Fourth and Tenth Amendments, designed not only to test children for inappropriate thoughtsâ??for instance, thoughts inculcated by home schooling parentsâ??but potential dissidents as well. â??It will also help the fascists who are controlling our government to keep our dissidents and independent thinkers under chemical restraints just like theyâ??ve done to so many children in foster incarceration facilities,â?� explains the Fight CPS website. â??It will help them break down the will and autonomy of the population, forcing more beautiful souls to become mindless, over-medicated sheep.â?�
As Dr. Rima Laibow notes in the film â??One Nation Under Siege,â?� it is a distinct possibility the government may one day forcibly medicate the â??politically insane,â?� for their own good as well as society. Bill Oâ??Reillyâ??s task is to prepare for this possibility right out of the Soviet Unionâ??where dissidents and other â??socially undesirable peopleâ?� were sent to Psikhushka psychiatric-prisons.
But then, as the United States increasingly resembles the Soviet Union, this development is to be expected. After all, former Stasi chief Markus Wolfe and former head of the KGB General Yevgeni Primakov were hired by the Ministry of Homeland Security for a specific reason.

I like how good ol A.J. left out the bit about the "Super Patriots". INSTEAD just call it Ron Paul supporters.

Ya know, he always preaches about the neo-cons living in a state of fear but instills into his subscribers the need to hide under their beds. Create fear to sell product.........what a guy!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

I agree with P4B that Alex Jones has no place griping out the government "instilling a culture of fear" when he's on the same stage, just different material.


But man on man, Glenn Beck can be such a jackass at times. I watched that video and yes, he pretty much said Ron Paul and his supporters are terrorists; citing the Guy Fox day "money-bomb" even though it had nothing to do with Ron Paul's personal campaign team. (though even if it were, the terrorist link is still rediculous).


Tonight! I'm Glenn Beck and I'll tell you how to think!

i guess you would have actually had to read the article to see that alex jones didn't write it...

but hey, i guess empty, pointless arguments are what people resort to when they have nothing to say about the topic...

there's a difference between fear and awareness.

for everyone else, they might want the knowledge that the fbi considers those who are aware of the constitution and reference it are terrorists...

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Originally Posted by pisshead

i guess you would have actually had to read the article to see that alex jones didn't write it...

but hey, i guess empty, pointless arguments are what people resort to when they have nothing to say about the topic...

there's a difference between fear and awareness.

for everyone else, they might want the knowledge that the fbi considers those who are aware of the constitution and reference it are terrorists...

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Written by Kurt Nimmo


So what are you saying; your leader wouldn't hire someone with the same warped sense of journalism as himself?

I made a thread called "Create a President"....give it a shot without the copy and paste feature to assist ya.

Have a good one!:s4:

Chill out Pisshead. In case you didn't read my entire post, I'll point out that it was just a side note and I agree with you on the main topic.

i took a look at the link to the brochure and it listed paramilitary organizations, would that include blackwater?

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Originally Posted by yokinazu

i took a look at the link to the brochure and it listed paramilitary organizations, would that include blackwater?

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Good point but according to this, the bill was VERY carefully written:


SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.

`For purposes of this subtitle:

`(1) COMMISSION- The term `Commission' means the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism established under section 899C.

`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

`(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.
GovTrack: H.R. 1955: Text of Legislation

Have a good one!:s4:

Yeah Christ we need more laws written by mindless idiots.We have so few laws now.Just start writing more crap filling up the law libraries with mors shit for the attorney's to read. I tried to take a picture of the brand new Homeland Security building in Seattle. I was standing across the street on a public sidewalk and they sent 3 security pinheads out to run me through the wringer and tell me I can't take pictures of public buildings. Fucking christ.What country are we living in now?

By the way if I ca sneak some pictures you otta see this monstrosity they built. Nillions of dollars pissed away on a completely worthless endeavor.

Look at the list and state which group ya feel shouldn't be watched a bit:
Are You a Terrorost

Have a good one!:s4:

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Yeah Christ we need more laws written by mindless idiots.We have so few laws now.Just start writing more crap filling up the law libraries with mors shit for the attorney's to read. I tried to take a picture of the brand new Homeland Security building in Seattle. I was standing across the street on a public sidewalk and they sent 3 security pinheads out to run me through the wringer and tell me I can't take pictures of public buildings. Fucking christ.What country are we living in now?

By the way if I ca sneak some pictures you otta see this monstrosity they built. Nillions of dollars pissed away on a completely worthless endeavor.

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You should get some homies together and do some drive-by snapshots. Stick it to the man!

I'll try and get some pictures next week. Its a ridiculously fancy building.5 stories I think. What the hell does Homeland Security to do in Seattle. Must be just a hot bed of terrorists floating around the city just waiting to blow shit up.lol

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

Chill out Pisshead. In case you didn't read my entire post, I'll point out that it was just a side note and I agree with you on the main topic.

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Man.. I haven't laughed that hard since like an hour ago :S2:

"Chill out Pisshead" LOL!! I thought you were referring to p4b, when I realized we have a user named pisshead amongst us.

I'm stoned lol :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Look at the list and state which group ya feel shouldn't be watched a bit:
Are You a Terrorost

Have a good one!:s4:

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Haha, I guess that makes me a terrorist, since I support the constitution. The only thing they left out are Marijuana users and cultivators, since Marijuana funds terrorism, remember? Well, John Walters said that... he must be right.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Good point but according to this, the bill was VERY carefully written:


SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.

`For purposes of this subtitle:

`(1) COMMISSION- The term `Commission' means the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism established under section 899C.

`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

`(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.
GovTrack: H.R. 1955: Text of Legislation

Have a good one!:s4:

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All of the items above, particularly #3, accurately describe many of the actions of the Bush administration/neo-cons in their furtherance of their totally fictitious "War on Terror". Remember, if we had a real "War on Terror", or borders would be protected. Until our borders are protected, Bush's imaginary "War on Terror" is nothing more than an attempt "...to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

PC :smokin:

HR 1955 - read it. Its legislation against Americans. Its unneccessary to enfore the law or security and mearly labels American citizens as terrorists. It allows the government to prosecute thought crimes.

Thats not the point. If an American citizen is commiting a crime, he should be given due process and given a fair trial. Thats why the nuremberg trials were handeled the way they were. There was transparency in government and even though everyone knew these men were war criminal they were treated descently and allowed America to maintain moral highground. If your happy with secret government, secret prisons, torture, and habeas corpus being shit on then you are the one who isnt patriotic. How we are prosecuting this war on terror will destroy our credibility as a fair and honest country and the idea that you support American citizens not being granted their constitutional rights is obsurd. When anyone is labeled an "Enemy combatant" which is what this legislation allows their property will be searched without a warrant, they will be arrested, interrogated without a lawyer, tortured, and detained for probably a couple years in solitary confinment. This is a way to stiffle dissent from government.

HR 1955 â?? Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007
Sponsored by Rep. Jane Harmon [CA-36] - ties to AIPAC ( Whatâ??s for Dinner â?? Newsweek, Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenb. October 25th, 2006

4/19/2007--Introduced.
Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 - Amends the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to add provisions concerning the prevention of homegrown terrorism (terrorism by individuals born, raised, or based and operating primarily in the United States). Directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to: (1) establish a grant program to prevent radicalization (use of an extremist belief system for facilitating ideologically-based violence) and homegrown terrorism in the United States; (2) establish or designate a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States; and (3) conduct a survey of methodologies implemented by foreign nations to prevent radicalization and homegrown terrorism. Prohibits the Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism from violating the constitutional and civil rights, and civil liberties, of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents.

SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.

`For purposes of this subtitle:

`(1) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

`(2) RADICALIZATION- The term `radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically-based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

`(3) IDEOLOGICALLY-BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically-based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.


SEC. 899B. FINDINGS.

`(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating ideologically-based violence and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.

`(8) Any measure taken to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.

See. Section 206 Patriot Act

`SEC. 899C. GRANT PROGRAM TO PREVENT IDEOLOGICALLY-BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM IN THE UNITED STATES.

`(b) Grants Authorized- The Secretary may award grants to States to enhance homeland security by preventing radicalization and homegrown terrorism in at-risk populations, as determined by the Secretary.

`(c) Purpose- The purpose of the grant program is to prevent, disrupt, and mitigate the effects of radicalization and prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States.

`(e) Use of Funds- Grants awarded under this section shall be used by the States to award to agencies and organizations, including but not limited to, social services agencies, community-based groups, educational institutions and non-governmental organizations as sub-grantees to address radicalization and homegrown terrorism by--

`(1) developing best practices, standards and protocols to conduct outreach to various populations that are at-risk for radicalization and homegrown terrorism;

`(2) assisting with educational outreach, social services, and integration into society;

`(3) program planning and management and strategy formulation and strategic planning;

`(4) promote civic engagement and community outreach programs;

`(5) any other uses determined by the Secretary to be necessary to prevent radicalization and homegrown terrorism.

SEC. 899F. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PREVENTING IDEOLOGICALLY-BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

`(a) In General- The Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.

damn terrorist, they still have control of our WhiteHouse{looking bothways}..:S1:

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Thats not the point. If an American citizen is commiting a crime, he should be given due process and given a fair trial. Thats why the nuremberg trials were handeled the way they were. There was transparency in government and even though everyone knew these men were war criminal they were treated descently and allowed America to maintain moral highground. If your happy with secret government, secret prisons, torture, and habeas corpus being shit on then you are the one who isnt patriotic. How we are prosecuting this war on terror will destroy our credibility as a fair and honest country and the idea that you support American citizens not being granted their constitutional rights is obsurd. When anyone is labeled an "Enemy combatant" which is what this legislation allows their property will be searched without a warrant, they will be arrested, interrogated without a lawyer, tortured, and detained for probably a couple years in solitary confinment. This is a way to stiffle dissent from government.

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well put, exactly right.

Jesus H Christ.. we're headed straight towards a fascist military police state..

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Jesus H Christ.. we're headed straight towards a fascist military police state..

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unfortunately for us, there are people in the country who think it's in their best interest to have a dictatorial police state...to keep them safe from the freedom hating terrorists...

yes pisshead, still many in the late great USA, people still beLIEve the government has their best interest at hand...nothing to see here ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZNNNNNNNNNNNNNNZZZZZZZZZZNNNNN NNNNNNNNNNNZZZZZZZZzz

anybody here check out Alex's new movie "End Game" ?