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Wouldn't it be neat to have a society, like an organization (not too big, though) with people who are genuinely interested in just seeing the psychological and physical effects of different herbs and drugs just for sensory experience? People who honestly respect substances, know their limits, and who were generally very curious? I've always been like that, and I know only a few people who embrace that same attitude as well.
Would you join this organization if it existed?
I don't know if I'd want to join it "just to see the effects", but for the purposes of spiritual and psychological exploration, with experienced shamans and the such helping to guide you through it, then yes that would be great. I wouldn't be surprised if there were such societies though, at least online communities.
I should have clarified, I didn't mean soley for experiencing purposes, but yes, as you had mentioned, the spiritual and psychological effects and outcomes. It would be nice to find a LOCAL group of people to try this with; online communities would be cool too, but less personalization than talking with people face-to-face.
I suppose experienced members could serve as trip sitters and guides for people who have concerns or fears for certain activites...
I never got how using certain drugs is a "psychological exploration" tool...? or some of them.
Because when your on drugs, your under the influence of something else other then your own naturality. So how can you explore yourself if your not even actually yourself? Your just fucked up on something, right?
Thinking is elegantly simple, actually- your thinking is the process of billions of neurons transmitting electrical signals and chemical cocktails to each other; substances like pot, ect simply alter the amount/type/frequency of these chemical/electrical messages.
It's not completely changing your PROCESS of thinking, but changing your perception. Watching a funny movie and studying for a test are very different states of perception- your brain is sending completely different sets of signals and chemicals, and essentially, you perceive each event in your life in a different way. Thought is not a static, monotonous process; each experience is very different than the next. Mind expansion through safe alternatives is simply giving you yet another view of perception.
Think of it as wavelengths of energy in the form of light. Humans can see the standard ROYGBIV spectrum, and mind expansion is allowing us to see other wavelengths that normal visual processes don't allow.
Count me the fuck in.
I've got trip reports to share and all the fun stuff,
;)
Will there be coffee and doughnuts?
Of course.
What we're talking about here is not being "on drugs". They are drugs in the literal sense of course, but there's a difference between drug abuse to get high, and sacred plants that have been used for thousands of years for spiritual insight.Quote:
Originally Posted by VoidLivesOn
These things (WHICH WE WON'T SPECIFY FOR THE SAKE OF KEEPING THIS THREAD OPEN!) allow one to consider perceptions, thoughts, ideas that you would never have considered before. They are teachers in and of themselves.
After I had one particularily possitive journey, I came to a very significant realization that sticks with me to this day. Before that journey I was very self-limiting, I didn't believe in myself, in my ability to accomplish more than mediocracy. But when I went on that journey, I realized that I cannot fail unless I quit, and that I have amazing potential within me that can accomplish more than I ever dreamed if I only learn how to tap into it. Since that day, I have worked tirelessly to figure out how to tap into that potential, and in large part I have. I know I can accomplish so much more, and I have great plans in place. My knowledge has expanded, my drive has furthered, my devotion to meditations has strengthened. The whole point here is; I realized my true potential.
People who fear the change it can bring about can achieve little. People who embrace the change and realization it brings benefit the most.
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Originally Posted by Purple Banana
If I interpret your post right PB, do you mean a fear of escaping your depressed state? Because depression can be strange that way, in that while it's making you miserable you don't want to do anything that would make you feel happy. It stems from "I'm not up to being happy" really, but I eventually came to realize that it's not about being happy, it's about gaining the strenght to be happy and cure the exhaustion.
I meant the cognitive change, not necessarily the emotional change it may bring about. I, too, have been in extremely depressed stages, and I know the whole "Well, do I really want to be happy again?" dilemma. That's when my chronic pain began, and over time, I realized I was making myself hurt more with the misery and self-pity I was afflicting on myself. That's when I discovered pot, and it showed me that I can live life with pain.
EDIT: Funny thing you're on tonight, Gandalf, I'm watching my copy of 1978's Lord of the Rings by Ralph Bakshi... Good stuff :)
Of course I would join........I think it would be really benneficial
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Originally Posted by VoidLivesOn
this is very untrue, some drugs literally enhance the way that the experience makes you feel, of course your not yourself that is the whole point of drugs, you don't find it to be a psychological exploration to be on any hard psychedelic drug that i can't mention, any number of things that any drug does to you can enhance the way you are effected by it, and you really have to do a lot of psychedelic drugs to understand what i am saying
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Originally Posted by TresLeches
You could definately count me in! It would be an amazing experience... but i'm really not wanting to eat holes in my brain or something... :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Purple Banana
I will join anything.
Especially, if a purple banana is my leader. :tin foil hat:
I'm all for it. :4:psychoactives:4:
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Originally Posted by Purple Banana
Hahahaha! You know what PurpleBanana? I was interpreting your post wrong because I thought I clicked on the other thread about psychological health! Oh man I knew I my eyes were heavy and I was half awake, but I must have been a lot more out of it than I thought!:D
I love getting high and thinking. I share the exact same passion, and believe it or not I've never tripped. As soon as I get out of my troubling situation and back to smoking, I'll definitely go on a few trips.
Challenge: Try and develop a new color while on a trip. It will either make you or break you :) There is no possible way to develop a new color, but it would be a breakthrough if you did. (I'm not talking about mixtures, I'm talking about a raw color.)
Something else that's kind of scary, but possibly fun is imagining your life if you had changed one thing about it, or possibly made one decision differently. I bet it would be too overwhelming, and possibly depressing. But those general types of things would be awesome on a trip.
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never got how using certain drugs is a "psychological exploration" tool...? or some of them.
Because when your on drugs, your under the influence of something else other then your own naturality. So how can you explore yourself if your not even actually yourself? Your just fucked up on something, right?
hhahahaha you, my friend, have obviously never taken any psychedelic drugs...
Awww, I'm flattered :DQuote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
And Gandalf, it's okay, it happens :)
PB, this place where people would use psychoactive substances for mind expansion was the dream of Timothy Leary and his followers... and i, as a good follower of the psychedelic movement, would joint to your society, of course! :thumbsup:
I have a deep respect for Tim Leary, I think he was brilliant not only as a psychedelic pioneer, but his work in psychology is amazing as well. I'm glad this thread hasn't gone to people specifically naming and talking about certina psychedelic drugs, I wouldn't want it closed; rather, it's good we're talking about the actual mind exploration that comes with the use of psychedelic substances (including pot!).
ill join if theres kool aid
You don't need any substances to get in touch with yourself.
Very true, but different levels of consciousness and conscience can be reached only with certain chemical reactions not produced by the brain itself, and it's always interesting to go beyond what you're capable of.
That's like using a 9-volt battery for a car.
People can die:
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* GG Allin, cult psychopathic punk rock singer and country and western singer who fronted The Jabbers, The Scumfucs, The Murder Junkies among other bands.
* Matthew Ansara, actor, son of Michael Ansara and Barbara Eden
* Bridgette Andersen, child actress, Savannah Smiles
* John Belushi, comedian/actor
* Len Bias, college basketball star
* Tommy Bolin, Deep Purple musician
* Elisa Bridges, Playboy Playmate
* Lenny Bruce, comedian
* Robert Buck, 10,000 Maniacs Musician
* Tim Buckley, musician
* Ken Caminiti, baseball player
* Truman Capote, writer
* Steve Clark, Def Leppard musician
* Montgomery Clift, actor
* Dorothy Dandridge, actress
* Nick Drake, musician
* Bobby Duncum, Jr., professional wrestler
* John Entwistle, musician
* Brian Epstein, Beatles manager
* Chris Farley, comedian/actor
* Rainer Werner Fassbinder, film director
* Keith Ferguson, Fabulous Thunderbirds, musician
* Judy Garland, musician/actress
* Trevor Goddard, actor
* Tim Hardin, musician
* Bobby Hatfield, musician (fatal heart attack was triggered by a cocaine overdose)
* Mitch Hedberg, comedian/actor
* Margaux Hemingway, model/actress
* Jimi Hendrix, musician (sleeping pills)
* Curt Hennig, professional wrestler
* Shannon Hoon, musician
* Anissa Jones, actress
* Russell Jones, musician (overdose on cocaine and prescription painkillers)
* Janis Joplin, musician
* John Kordic, hockey player
* Eugene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb, American football player
* Sonny Liston, world champion boxer (possible)
* Bela Lugosi, actor
* Donyale Luna, model
* Phil Lynott, musician
* Frankie Lymon, musician
* David McComb, musician
* Aimee Semple McPherson, evangelist
* Keith Moon, musician
* Marilyn Monroe, actress (death of a barbiturate overdose has still not been proven)
* Jim Morrison, musician (fatal heart attack triggered by a heroin overdose)
* Brad Nowell, musician, Sublime
* Hugh O'Connor, actor, In the Heat of the Night, son to actor Carroll O'Connor
* Lani O'Grady, actress, Eight Is Enough
* Bryan Ottoson, musician
* Marco Pantani, cyclist
* Gram Parsons, musician
* Robert Pastorelli, actor
* Christopher Pettiet, actor
* Christopher Penn, actor
* Kristen Pfaff, musician
* River Phoenix, actor
* Rob Pilatus, acting singer Milli Vanilli
* Edgar Allan Poe, author (one of several possible theories; see Death of Edgar Allan Poe)
* Elvis Presley, musician
* Freddie Prinze, comic, actor Chico and the Man, self-inflicted gunshot wound while under the influence of Quaaludes
* Glenn Quinn, actor
* Dee Dee Ramone, musician
* Elis Regina, Brazilian singer
* Don Rogers, American football player
* Bon Scott, singer AC/DC, Aspiration brought on by alcohol intoxication
* Edie Sedgwick, model/actress
* Bobby Sheehan singer/musician, Blues Traveler
* Eric Show baseball player
* Hillel Slovak guitarist, Red Hot Chili Peppers
* Anna Nicole Smith actress and media celebrity
* Layne Staley, musician
* Gary Thain, bass guitarist Uriah Heep
* Enrique Urquijo, Spanish musician
* Sid Vicious, musician
* Andrew Wood, musician and singer
* Paula Yates, TV personality
* Linda Wong, porn actress
The Doors music is down the isle to the left, 5th shelf....
Actually, most if not all hallucinogens cause their effects by acting as serotonergic, dopaminergic and opioid receptor agonists, mimicing what your body does do by itself. The only difference is that they do it a thousand times stronger. Just an interesting note for shits and giggles:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Purple Banana
Good point, Gandalf... You're a smart wizard :) By chemical reactions, I did not mean entire new sets of chemicals being delivered, I should have specified the whole process of seretonin reuptake blockers, dopamine receptor signaling with D1 and D2 receptors with satiety, stuff like that, but I didn't think anyone save a few members could understand that stuff stoned :P
Beachguy- I repsect your view on this particular topic, however, note that I used the term "know the limits" in my original post; I enjoy SAFE recreational substances that have very low if not nonexistent rates of overdoses- for what it's worth, I will never use the Big Four (I'm pretty sure most of you know what I'm talking about), as well as prescription drugs recreationally. The substances I choose to use are non-addictive, non-lethal, and have not shown any significant effects from long-term use- at any rate, these substances are not being taken multiple times in a reasonably short period of time.
If someone else chooses to use substances that are very addictive and damaging to the body, that is their discretion; although I do not condone it, I realize people will make their own decisions regarding what they choose to take or not to take.
I suggest checking out Timothy Leary's manual on Info-Psychology if you're more interested in psychological impact of technology on humans. It's an excellent read.
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Originally Posted by Coelho
I really like the idea of a mind expansion society and wish ours was, or even just encouraging that idea.
I really enjoy hearing about Tim Leary and the others which participated in that time.
I was readin earlier about how he made this group named the League for Spiritual Discovery.
And in it there was only two commandments.
"Thou shalt not alter the consciousness of thy fellow man"
"Thou shalt not prevent thy fellow man from altering his own consciousness"
I believe if you really think about it, those two commandments fit a mind expansion society better than anything else.
Sure, I'd join it... as long as you aren't David Koresh. Hallucinogens get rid of the "filters" that your mind uses to keep a "stable" reality, in a sense. That is one thing that hallucinogens do, at least.
I'm sorry, Purple Banana, for giving... I mean, you didn't have to defend your stance on drugs. I think, my joke got carried away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purple Banana
Long list, I guess. Cut'n and Pastin' can be too easy.
Then, if you scroll down, it says that Jimi Hendrix died from sleeping pills, which is not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
He died from asphyxiation.
An apology is not necessary, Beachguy :)
I don't know why I told you about that. I guess, I brought it up to point out the error with Hendrix's cause of death. I was sorry for having you respect views of mine which I didn't truly support.
That's cool, everyone makes mistakes :) Gandalf kept calling out stuff on my posts that I didn't clarify, and I was happy he did so that I could better explain my position :stoned:
theres a place like this already for dxm users like meself :D Dextroverse (DXM / Dextromethorphan) : A Recreational DXM Community - Welcome
they require a short little essay for membership. its a good weedout sorta process imo. interesting folk there.
Might not be the smartest link to post; just an FYI...
I tried to keep names and descriptions of substances out of here because I really don't want this thread to close. Please don't post any links regarding a specific substance; I know you're trying to help, and I appreciate it, but it's very against the rules... Read the FAQ, and you'll see :)
yeah i figured that. i always RTFFAQ but then i thought well if its a problem then the whole thread would've been deleted since its about other substances... just because ya don't name 'em doesn't mean the mods don't know whats up, and doublespeak semantics like that seem way out of place on a marijuana message board =p
fake edit: and the link i linked emphasizes first and foremost responsible use, harm reduction and substance education just like yall do here :D