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Can you please suggest one? I want to try hydro, even aeroponics, but I'd rather get a feel for hydro before dabbling into that sort of thing. What is a simple hydro system that will teach you what you need to know? 1000watt light, 4x4 grow space. SOG most likely.
Yes, I say it at least once a day. Emily's Garden. Run it through a search engine, then buy it for $85 or something, or build it for $35. This system is incredibly simple, and produces amazing results with little effort. Absolutely f-ing great for beginners. I think you could fit two in a space like that and do sog, which I highly recommend. Even better do Scrog while your at it. Of course for sog you will need two lights not one. Probably two 400 watters, one MH, one HPS.
Emily's Garden works great.
Amazon for 79.95 and they ship it free.
Comes with everything but seeds and lights.
Amazon.com: Hydrofarm EMSYST Emily's Garden System: Home & Garden
here's how to build a AquaFarm for just a few bucks apiece:
AquaFarm
and, buckets, baskets and lids here: Discount Hydroponics - Grow Containers & Pots
hope that helps .. :jointsmile:
1000 watts is a bit of overkill for that small of a space (400-600) ... you CAN put too much light to them and regret it (I found out the hard way, and bleached some younguns pure-white) :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by DurbanStone
Pros and cons? I just want to get one light.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
DS - I think what Opie is suggesting is that you have a MH bulb for vegging and an HPS for flower. If you get a digital or switchable ballast, you can use either bulb with the same ballast.
I use 1,000 watts per 4'x4' area and it works great! :thumbsup:
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Hmm, Emilys garden System looks preety good but would you be able to fit six plants in there? Or would you have to transplant to bigger containers?
I wonder this as well, can 6 bigger plants roots fit in this? Also, a switchable ballast is a great idea. That way I would only need a mother room, and a flower room.Quote:
Originally Posted by pastetea
You can build an Ebb and Flow system in like 15 minutes with about $25 (not including a pump).
I used an Emily's Garden before and the plants will be a bit crowded, unless you are growing shorties. The tray is 24 in x 16 in and it only holds a total of 2 gal of nutes. I wrote a thread on how to build a bubbler which is nearly identical to Emily's Garden but you can choose the number of net pots and it hold approx 5-6 gal of nute solution.. in other words it is more forgiving since there is more solution.
BUILD YOUR OWN BUBBLER LINK
In the thread above I have 6 net pots, but I only used 4 max, and the 2 empty spots I left in the middle, filled with hydroton to prevent light into the res. It make checking and adjusting the solution a breeze - just lift out a pot, set it on top of the other middle one, adjust and replace.
I would go with Deep Water Culture. or short way to say it is DWC.
and this is just about how it works.as I was told and it has worked this way for me good.
so the plants will roots hang down in the water. and the air bubbles comming UP from the airstones will give the roots oxygen thus makeing the plant grow. U will put the 2-10 air stones in the bottem of UR water bucket.
eze wat is to do it juss like in the first pic.
If you are interested in seeing an Emily's Garden grow in progress, I'm doing a temporary DWC while I'm doing a grow room remodel. You can even see one I made myself.
http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...-training.html
I've not had a problem with them being too crowded, but I scrog. I actually grow 8 now in the same space I used to grow 6 with the Emily's Garden.
You might want to consider coco. Coco is considered a hydroponic medium and uses hydro nutes and hydro techniques, but you don't have all the hydro paraphernalia to deal with.
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I use a variation of the Emily system. It was made for me by HIDHut.com. However I only use it as a veg kit, for which it is perfect because when they become crowded they get switched to individual 5 gal buckets.
A little bondage with the Emily... well, that sounds like something fun that I just might have to try soonQuote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...-darkside.html
That's the one I'm running now, totally DIY, and working well so far. It's neat in that you can move the plants around in your SOG as they grow at different rates due to running multiple strains, as I do, or because of differences in light intensity in different spots. And it can be TOTALLY broken down in minutes and stuffed into the trunk of a car. Bonus.
A pic of one of my little Daddys Girls....Middle pic shows all the bubbles...I cut the outside edge off the smallest round air stone to fit in the bottom of the container....melted a hole in the side for the air hose to attach....Works like a charm...
Treetops
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Treetops, that is super cool.
Wait until you get those Daddys Girls flowering. I was shocked at how grapefruity they smell. OMG. I can't wait to try out that strain!!!
Treetops, very inventive. Cool air stone.
I would pull back that light a little for the first week or two.
Thanks Stinky...I cant wait either...Will make a nice addition to my gallery...She is 11 days old today :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
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Peace,
Treetops
The roots of 6 plants fit just fine in an Emily's garden. I have used it many times, vegging for 2 months then budding for 2 months. The roots get tangled toward the end, but that doesn't matter unless you like taking your plants out alot. If you take them out often they might not get tangled anyway, and you could cut them apart if you needed to. It happens in many systems, no biggie.Quote:
Originally Posted by DurbanStone
And you cannot do sog or scrog (which I highly recommend) with one light. With both styles, you have separated veg and bloom areas, with one light in each, hopefully MH for veg and HPS for bloom.
One thing you have to realize is that your plants size is going to be limited to the rootball size. Go with a 5 gallon bucket to get maximum results hell you can even go get a 25-30 toy bucket from walmart, the ones with the rope handle, cut some styrofoam to fit the top, cut a hole in the styrofoam and put your net pot in there. I saw some guy grow a 32 oz plant using that setup. Take a look at my log (not updating it anymore) But it shows an easy DWC setup, a bucket a net pot and some tape. After that all you need is an airstone and a pump. I upgraded to solid black buckets recently b/c they are better than just black duct tape.
Treetops, I'm just saying, careful, yesterday I checked a couple of my CFLs with a laser thermometer, and they had spots that were 145 degrees. I wouldn't want something that temp, that close to a struggling seed.
Then again, if aint broke don't fix it. Nice healthy-looking root mass.
There's no way you need 25 or 30 gallons for one plant. Sure the bigger the better, but there's a point where it gets a little ridiculous. Right now, using an Emily's Garden and a DIY Emily's Garden, I'm growing 9 plants in 3 gallons, or 6 plants in 2 gallons, whichever sounds the coolest. I have to add nutes every 4 days, at which point they are getting close to running dry. The good part about that is it's a complete reservoir change 7 times each month instead of 1. I've grown big beautiful crops using this method.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paht_Hed
I was thinking about getting a conversion ballast, and using a little room to clone, then right into vege?Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
With a conversion ballast you will be harvesting half as often than as in a sog or scrog set up, which is fine, but it's also less weed. If you aren't going to sog or scrog then all you would need is a combo mother/clone area and a separate grow area. Take a clone from your mother plant, put it in your system, when it's time to bloom, switch your ballast from MH to HPS. 2 or 3 weeks before harvest get some cuttings from your mother and start them in the cloner so that they will be ready to go into your system as soon as harvest clean up is done. Keep in mind your HPS will be on 12 hours per day and mothers and clones will have 18 per day, and they can't interfere with each others' light schedule.
I ran a 5 gallon bucket DWC system for a single plant, the rootball took up the whole bucket within 6 weeks from a seed. I am sure given enough lumens I could easily fill a 25 gallon bucket with roots by the time flowering was done and that would make for a huge plant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
Opie, Thanks for the advice.....it was 80-81ish at dirt level...I raised them a little..best to safe than sorry with these "kids"..On the root mass, gotta be all the bubbles from that stone as the other one just has an ordinary air stone....less bubbles...
I keep telling people oxygen to the roots is the key. I guess you helped prove it Treetops.
The whole idea of hydroponics is to grow bigger plants with smaller root masses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paht_Hed
Oh well, I guess this grow is impossible as well, since there's no way that 3 plants could grow in less than a quart of nutrients:
hee hee hee :weedpoke:Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
Really i thought the point of hydroponics was to provide more Oxygen, Water, and nutrients to increase photosysthesis Thereby increasing growth and vigor. When I do hydro i usually give them more room for the roots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
hmm, I am still not decided.
One thing is fact, I will be living in an apt for months, so I can't build any rooms, they have to be temperary.
Check out hydro huts. They make great temporary rooms. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by DurbanStone
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I have a Hydro Hut Mini that is 39 in x 39 in x 6.5 feet tall and it works very nicely for my personal consumption needs. It is well made and sturdy.Quote:
Originally Posted by PharmaCan
My advice is to buy one locally if you can, and check that all the parts are there before leaving the store... Either that or if you order it have the store owner check and verify all of the parts are in the box...
HERE'S WHY:
When I bought mine, it was missing 2 pieces and I had to drive it back to Green Coast Hydro and get the missing stuff. They were super cool about it and said that every once in a while that happens. If I would have checked prior to leaving the store it would have saved me an hour of driving and 10 bucks in gas.
MVP :jointsmile:
Oh I know, hydro is so mysterious isn't it. So many options on the way to big beautiful buds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthy Dank
Hmmmm, let's see. Oh I know! An Emily's Garden-type set up would be perfect for you! Hydro huts are a pretty awesome idea, but your closet is already there and it's free. It might even have an electrical outlet in it, but if not, it's real easy to cut through the drywall to get to the wiring from an outlet from an adjoining room, and mount an outlet for the closet on the same stud. Or if it's got a light on the ceiling you can get to some wiring that way. Or you can get a stud finder that shows where wiring is also. Or maybe I'm just going on and on, and will never, ever shut up...Quote:
Originally Posted by DurbanStone
Hell yeah, closets work great! I have a Flower closet (48 in x 24 in x 6.5 ft tall), a Veg closet (24 in x 24 in x 5 ft tall), and a Hydro Hut for my moms and clones. Soon I'll be switching the Flower to the Hut, Moms and clones to the small closet, Vegging to the big closet. And 85% of all the plants are hydro, only Moms are in dirt.
The only real pain with closets IMO is that my door openings are smaller than the actual grow space and its difficult to get stuff in and out of there and reach the back when inspecting plants. A pain yes, but it doesn't keep me from growing in them!
MVP :jointsmile: