Trouble-shooting: coconut oil. Two hours, not high.

Hi everyone.

I need some help trouble-shooting my experiment.

Here is what I did:

1. Soak bud in water overnight to remove chlorophyll taste.
2. Boil water and coconut oil together in saucepan. Add bud.
3. Simmer on low/medium heat (just boiling) for three hours.
4. Place in fridge for three hours.
5. Separate oil/bud from water. I got lazy so I just left the plant matter attached to the oil (there was a layer of solidified coconut oil on top, plant matter attached to the bottom of it, and water w/ stems and shit on the bottom).

I am not high, it's been two hours, maybe just a smidge of a buzz, not like I expected.

According to Flameon's post, I should have needed half as much weed as I would have smoked...right? Which is approximately what I took.

Should I eat more, or wait longer, or did I do it wrong? Or is my body not absorbing the THC right? I've tried a couple of other times to cook w/ bud, and have never gotten high, but I figured I did it wrong. I think I did it right this time. Any ideas?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Oh: I don't know if this will matter, but I dumped out the water that was used to soak the buds overnight, and used fresh for the recipe, as to eliminate the chlorophyll taste.

So right now it's going on three hours or so, so I'm going to have another dose. I'll report back to let you know if it makes a difference.

Hi Smoking monkey

A have a couple of observations that might help:

Firstly, soaking your bud in water is a new one on me, I'm just a little curious as to why?
I'm guessing you must have been using 'fresh' weed, otherwise, if it was dried and 'cured', it wouldn't have a chlorophyll taste?

Ideally, you'll need to use dried bud in future, remove the stems and seeds etc, and grind it to a fine grain powder (very important for the extraction process).

Also (again assuming you use dried bud), there is no need to mix the oil with water as you describe. Instead, simmer gently (between 100 to 140 degrees centigrade) in straight oil until it is a dark green. (MVP has a good picture of how it should look in his brownie thread). Also, no need to strain out the weed that way either.

I'm guessing, you'll be get some effects out of it though.
Here's hoping it's just a slow starter. ;)

Okay... so. Soaked it to get any residues off that would affect the taste. It wasn't real wet to begin with, but I read somewhere on a website that soaking would further remove any "off" water-soluble contaminents, and leech out some of the chlorophyll that was remaining. Whatever; I went with it.

Then, I used the water when I cooked it because I was afraid I'd heat the oil too hot if I didn't have the water as a gauge (the boiling temp of the water would mitigate any overheating effects that might occur). Perhaps I didn't research this fully, because it just occurred to me that I have no idea what the boiling point of the coconut oil would have been.

It wasn't ground super-fine, it was kind of coarsely ground, that might have been where I went wrong.

Anyway, the subjective update is this. At the three hour mark, just a buzz, could definitely still drive and all that, not what I was going for, so I just made a grilled cheese with another dose of the same size (equivalent herb mass to about 1/2 of what I would normally smoke).

We'll see.

Monkey.....don't improvise. Trust me. ;)

Just looked it up; smoking point for unrefined coconut oil is 350F/170C, so I could have gauged by that, I guess.

Weedhound: Point taken.

I've concluded, after my second dose, that I did not grind the cannabis finely enough.

Because I'm high... but not nearly enough.

I read further about my method and decided that the method was sound, but the execution was poor. Next time I will use a coffee grinder (mine is broken right now) and I will re-post to emphasize this to others, if it works.

Hey Monkey,
:)
I use this to grind my bud and it works great for me.....the smaller the size of the strainer the more fine the bud will be on the other side.

http://www.cookingfor.us/catalog/ima...20Strainer.jpg

dude.

as far as i know man, you missed out on account of all that gobbeldy goop. forget all the preperation and specific oils. no dis.

if you follow my instructions, exactly, i guarentee you will get higher then you even want to. on around a gram or 2 of bud.

if its mexican, get like 4 or 5 grams.

take the bud. chop it up. mix with simple olive oil. lighty coating, not soaked in olive oil. no excess oil should be dripping from the weed.

take you weed mixed with olive oil, place in a pan. put on medium to medium low at first. as the pan heats, and the weed starts to cook, increas heat.

when you see the weed go from green to brown, take the pan off the thing and let cool. then just eat the weed.

what i do when cooking is to make like a weed cake. like a little cupcake type thing in the pan. keep it all together. let it cook together.

then, when it cooks and cools, try to like wad it up like a little ball or pill, and swallow with water in one big gulp.

i shit you not my friend, you will be higher then you want to be. for myself, almost a gram is too much. i use high grade cannabis though. if you were to eat 2 grams, the high would last for 6 to 8 hours. if the cannabis was real pure.

ive had some crazy expierences with mexican bud. eating the hell out of it. my dad acidentally ate some of my mexican brownies, and he called the fire department to help him.

and he only are a small little corner.

when i ate them, i thought about calling for help to. i used an ounce of mexican for like a 8 inch by 10 inch brownie batch. it was too crazy.

if you eat 4 grams of decent mexican by the method i described, you will be high for 6- 8 hours.

One tip only,
use a crock-pot on low. no water at all. chlorophyll isn't oil soluble(I don't think) so you shouldn't be worried about that. I've done about 40 recipes thus far, everything from rice Krispie treats to alfrado cheese sauce. The secret to potency as I see it is: duration,temp & sat. fat.
I do 12Hrs crockpot on low and ground up well. then strain with cheesecloth. one brownie and your good.

I should also mention that my neighbor trades me 1/8 of good for 2 brownies(thats how potent)

Hi Smoking Monkey

I just wanted to add a couple more things that might help.

Firstly, don't let yourself be talked out of using coconut oil, as it's one of the best conductors of THC you can use.

I've covered the 'why' many times now in previous posts, but I can understand that the technical reasons might go over the heads of some people, however for those who are interested, here it is again:

"The human metabolism is much more effective in 'digesting' the 'short-chain fatty acids' of saturated fats like Coconut oil and clarified butter, than it is of monounsaturated fats like olive oil.
Therefore, a much higher percentage of your dissolved THC will reach your bloodstream. Often by a magnitude of 4x (or more). As a result, you'll only need a quarter of the amount of weed to achieve the same effects (assuming you extract it properly, of course)."

For those people that might think this is 'gobbeldy goop' (sic), try working out the maths:

Would you rather buy 4 or 5 grams of Mexican at say. . .$30, mix it with olive oil and get one hit,
or, use 1 gram for $6 and buy a jar of coconut oil for $7 (which will last you years) and get the same results?

Hey, just to be clear, I've got nothing against olive oil (or the people who use it lol), but (as someone who knows a bit about cannabis cooking), I can't really recommend it to you.

Lastly, regarding the grinding up of your bud, I saw these on ebay and thought they looked promising. There's a screen between the first and second chamber to filter out the grains making them ideal for cooking.

Anyhow (which ever way you try) good luck with it.

Cheers :jointsmile:

p.s. good method by the way Zcomp

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Originally Posted by Zcomp

One tip only,
use a crock-pot on low. no water at all. chlorophyll isn't oil soluble(I don't think) so you shouldn't be worried about that. I've done about 40 recipes thus far, everything from rice Krispie treats to alfrado cheese sauce. The secret to potency as I see it is: duration,temp & sat. fat.
I do 12Hrs crockpot on low and ground up well. then strain with cheesecloth. one brownie and your good.

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So Z are you saying you dump the solid residue when you strain it? You only use the oil part?

Also.....what do YOU use to grind your bud?


thanks for any tips. :)

I use a simple hand herb grinder.
and yes I do discard the spent plant material. It only contains as much THC as a few drops of the oil still stuck.
I also use most of my stems(no seeds) along with what ever bud I can spare(1/8-1/4oz).
also I'll note that I have used the "water double boiler" method and the straight "oil over a flame" method. None work as good as the crockpot.

flameon your are misleading the public again.

oils high in saturated fats ARE ABSORBED BY THE BODY QUICKER, but are not absorbed more effectivley.

you imply that using oil high in saturated fats will give you more thc then if you use oils without that much saturated fat. that is wrong.

the only thing that oils high in saturated fats do for us is to allow the thc to be absorbed quicker, but the amount of absorbtion is the same with all oils.

for all you people out there...... it is incorrect to believe that oils high in saturated fats give your more thc then other oils. this is false. saturated fats are simply absorbed quicker and easier by our bodies, but the amount is no different.

weather you use oil high in saturated fats or not, you will still get the same dose of thc. with the saturated fats, the dose is quicker digested though.

which means its over quicker too.

use oilve oil. you digestive tract will thank you.

"Quicker" is a relative term. Quicker than 1-2 hours, isn't really that quick. Cut that down to say 30 mins we are still talking slow. Two hits I'm high in 15 secs, thats quuicker.

bogo....I've tried both. I prefer coconut oil. Hands down.

Zcomp....thanks for the tips about cooking. ;)

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Originally Posted by bogoljub777

flameon your are misleading the public again.

oils high in saturated fats ARE ABSORBED BY THE BODY QUICKER, but are not absorbed more effectivley.

you imply that using oil high in saturated fats will give you more thc then if you use oils without that much saturated fat. that is wrong.

the only thing that oils high in saturated fats do for us is to allow the thc to be absorbed quicker, but the amount of absorbtion is the same with all oils.

for all you people out there...... it is incorrect to believe that oils high in saturated fats give your more thc then other oils. this is false. saturated fats are simply absorbed quicker and easier by our bodies, but the amount is no different.

weather you use oil high in saturated fats or not, you will still get the same dose of thc. with the saturated fats, the dose is quicker digested though.

which means its over quicker too.

use oilve oil. you digestive tract will thank you.

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Oh bogoljub, bogoljub, bogoljub (flameon sadly shakes his head).

Iâ??m a liar now am I? Misleading the public AGAIN??

Look, Iâ??m sorry if you canâ??t (or are deliberately refusing), to understand the answers Iâ??ve given to you on this question (how many times is it now, 4, 5?).
Iâ??m also sorry you feel so â??threatenedâ?? that someone else cooks weed differently to you, that you have to resort to these immature outbursts.
I hope youâ??ll forgive this, but seeing as youâ??ve previously posted abuse directed at me, my country, its weather, its food and its troops, Iâ??m sure youâ??ll understand that Iâ??m tired of â??politelyâ?? humouring you.

So, whatâ??s it going to take for you to stop stalking my posts and â??trollingâ?? me?

How about if I agree to say that:
â??The best way to cook weed is to dip it in olive oil chuck it in a frying pan and blitz it for five minutesâ??, NO, no, scratch that,
â??The Only way to cook weed is to blitz it in a frying pan for five minutes, and anyone who does it differently is a liar and stupidâ???
How about that, would that make you happy?

Hereâ??s a revolutionary thought for you (I hope your sitting down, and holding on to something solid â?? your head maybe, lol), instead of spending so much time and energy trying to invent ways to prove that your right, (despite not understanding, or knowing, the first thing about: the digestion process, short, medium and long chain fatty acids, bile salts and emulsification, triglycerides, chylomicrons or the human lymphatic system), why not . . wait for it. . . actually try a different method?

Who knows you might be surprised, it could even work.
P.S. Did you know the Earth is round and NOT flat, or shall we argue about that next?

preference is a personal choice.....but old flameon wants to be the right one. and im telling you, your implication that oils high in saturated fats will give everyone a greater buzz. that is patently false.

like i said, oils high in saturated fats are absorbed quicker then other fats, compared to monononsaturated fat like is found in olive oil.

but the amount of absorbtion is the same.

for me, when i use olive oil, the onset of the high is faily quick. its not lightening, but its fairly quick.

going to great lenghts to support the use of oils high in saturated fats, which offer nothing more then a slight advantage in the area of rate of absorbition, it dosent deserve the pedestool that flameon has put it on.

it really dosent. oilve oil deserves the pedestool. its practical, commonly available, and healthy. and it allows your body to absorb the thc in no less amount then other oils. these random hard to find specific oils are not that practical, and dont offer some great advantage over other oils.

i switched from common butter to oil on account that common butter is hard to cook with and strain.

but even that worked just fine when i cooked brownies. that worked too well.

the point im getting at, is that you can have the same quality expierence without having to find some obsucre oil and if oyu dont have it you just cant get high when eating weed. that is false.

You might be a little more convincing if you at least spell checked your novel before posting. Posting with so many spelling and grammar mistakes shows impatience. You know what they say about impatience. Yours may come out just fine for your effort, but I prefer to do it the way its been done successfully for years. My dad knew this recipe the minute I mentioned it. I didn't have to say anything, He asked me if I was screwing off or using real-butter.

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Originally Posted by bogoljub777

preference is a personal choice.....but old flameon wants to be the right one.

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Its not a question of 'wanting' to be the 'right' one, I just am, and I'm sorry that your 'wounded pride' can't deal with it.

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Originally Posted by bogoljub777

and im telling you, your implication that oils high in saturated fats will give everyone a greater buzz. that is patently false.

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Actually, it's patently TRUE!.
But clearly, regardless of the science, you're just going to keep on claiming It's wrong (or bullshit).

So, to (hopefully) put an end to these pointless accusations, Iâ??m going to give you the chance to â??finally and absolutelyâ?? disprove what I'm saying.
Which is: "That small quantities of weed, ground up and cooked in a crock pot at the right temperature with saturated fat (clarified butter, coconut oil etc) is a more efficient way of getting 'high' than dipping a whole gram of weed in olive oil and tossing it in a frying pan for a few minutes. On average FOUR times more efficient."

Pepsi challenge time:
I already know I can achieve this, as I've done so many times.


So, all you need to do is post up some sort of credible evidence as to, â??why and howâ?? this is â??falseâ?? and I will get on my hands and knees, offer a heart-felt public apology on these boards, beg your forgiveness and NEVER question the sophistication your culinary skills again.
If, however you can't offer anything other than 'your wrong', or 'false' or you're 'misleading people', then my friend, I expect you to 'give it a rest' and â??stopâ?? contradicting this piece of advice.

Iâ??m realistic enough to know youâ??re never going to apologise for posting that Iâ??m a liar trying to â??misleadâ?? people (nor for any of the â??other stuffâ?? you posted that the have Mods removed!), so thatâ??s all Iâ??m asking for. Not much is it?
So, do we have a deal?

Smoking Monkey, I'm so sorry for going 'off topic' like that on your thread!

That'll teach me to rise to the bait, what is it they say? 'Never argue with an idiot they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience' lol

Anyhow, how did you get on, have you given it a second try yet?

Smoking Monkey- Some people don't see to be able to get high by eating cannabis. Maybe you feel it a little because of how powerful Flameon's recipe is, or maybe you messed up. I don't really know. Maybe you should try MasterWu's Green Dragon recipe. Just a thought.


This part isn't really related to Smoking Monkey's thread, but...

I've followed a lot of the Cooking with Cannabis threads, including Flameon's coconut oil ideas. The response is wild, people love it. Flameon must be doing something right. Not only that, but Flameon types properly, punctually, and grammatically correct.

bogoljub777, you are an idiot. If you want to argue with somebody, at least go all out and make it look nice. If you punctuate and the like, people may actually read what you type. They may find your way works better, but we will never know; nobody will read what you post. Now, please do not get me wrong. I'm not saying your way won't work. But, maybe you should try his way to see how effective it is. And coconut oil isn't obscure. Ask for it at the grocery store. They'll have it.

To address the original question...SmokingMonkey, I never get wasted off eating marijuana either. I get a mild buzz as well. I've made several different recipes and used different techniques. I've even tried it in Amsterdam from a coffee shop, and that didn't even get me high.

Do what I do, just smoke or vaporize it and enjoy!

no i'm glad that i'm not the only one having this problem. vaporizing didn't do anything for me either

hm.

maybe its not that you guys dont get high when eating it.... you guys dont get high right away.... and so you say fuck it, forget it.... but down the road you get high but you already thought it wouldnt work so you dont connect the 2.

: )
this is what i think is happening.

yes..... it takes a good hour and a half to 2 hours to feel the effects.