-
New setup looking for large yields
:baggy:
Im about to start a new grow project in a spare bedroom in my house. Im going all out in this one, purchasing the Hydrohut deluxe all in one ultimate combo which comes with the following:
All-In-One Ultimate growing package # 2 comes complete with:
1 - 4'x8' Hydrohut
1 - Sunlight Supply GroPro Dual 600w ballast
2 - Cool Tube reflectors
2 - 600w Hortilux bulbs
1 - 6" EcoPlus inline centrifugal fan (light exhaust)
3 - Dual flange kits (light exhaust)
1 - CAN 33 Combo filter/fan (humidity exhaust, fertilizer odor control, CO2 levels)
1 - Ebb & Gro 12-plant system
2 - 50 liter Hydroton growing medium
1 - General Hydroponics Flora Nova Grow - gallon
1 - General Hydroponics Flora Nova Bloom - gallon
1 - General Hydroponics Diamond Nectar - quart
1 - General Hydroponics Floralicious Bloom - quart
1 - 25' aluminum ducting
9 - 6" metal clamps for ducting
1 - G.H. ph down liquid - quart
1 - G.H. ph up liquid - quart
1 - PH test kit
1 - Sunleaves TDS meter
1 - TDS meter calibration solution
1 - Sunleaves min/max thermometer-hygrometer
http://www.4hydroponics.com/order/specialu2.asp(link)
(Im also adding a complete 1500 PPM c02 kit, and a oxygen bubbler system)
I'am also thinking about putting another 1000W HPS in the box for a grand total of 2200W HPS for the 12 plants. I'am ordering Seeds from Dutch Passion thinking about using two different strains i have narrowed it down to Powerplant, Skywalker, White Widow, Blueberry and Mazar. These are high yielding plants and very potent aswell, I'm looking to get the largest possible yeilds without hurting the THC potency. I'am going off this book "Cannabis Cultivation by Mel Thomas" he mentions secondary budding which can increase yeild by 25% is that a legit method? In the overall picture im looking to get a Half Pound atleast a plant if not more in a 4-5 month cycle under these conditions. I'm still kind of a new to growing and can use any advice an experienced grower at this scale could provide.
Thanks
-
New setup looking for large yields
The links dead for me ???
What do they get for all that gear , I'm almost scared ?
I'd avoid the D/P Blueberry. I got a 10pk. recently and 6 were twisted leaf mutant bullshit .
4' x 8' - 12 buckets , 1/2 lb. ea. = 6 lbs .
I'm not seeing it happen in that small an area . I see a NOOB w/ damn good luck getting 2 lbs. outa 4-6 buckets in it tho.
I'm getting about a lb. per bucket w/ a similar but larger type system but 2 of my plants would fill that hydro hut . Do a search on here for some of Weedhounds grows on here , she's gettin 8oz. plants - 4 of her plants might fit in that hut . More plants isn't always more weed . You'd have all the sweet gizmos and cool tools all in 1 place w/ that kit , just got some reading , research to do now .
Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:
-
New setup looking for large yields
yeah that is definately true regarding size and what not. i'm still in the process of figuring out / designing a grow room that will be suitable for what im trying to produce. what do you suggest? build my own box or is there another alternative into what im trying to accomplish with atleast 8oz a plant. let me know any suggestions you have or what you are currently using yourself.
-
New setup looking for large yields
You would be much better off with two 1,000 watt lights. A 4'x4' footprint is kinda big for a 600 watt. You would also be better with reflectors instead of cool tubes - you'll get better light distribution.
JMO
PC :smokin:
-
New setup looking for large yields
I concur with the comment about Dutch Passions blueberry. All 10 of mine were twisted mutants also. I ordered them about a year ago and was severely disappointed.
-
New setup looking for large yields
I remember hearing about DP blueberry, don't they mention on their site something about that...*checks*
nope, nothing, I must have read it somewhere. I ordered some DP Passion #1, they worked fine. What happend with the blueberries?
-
New setup looking for large yields
I think you want Floralicious Plus as opposed to Floralicious Bloom with that mix.
-
New setup looking for large yields
Quote:
Originally Posted by PharmaCan
You would also be better with reflectors instead of cool tubes - you'll get better light distribution.
You're supposed to have a reflector on your cool tube.
-
New setup looking for large yields
2200 watts of HID is going to melt a 4'x4' space. Have a fire extinguisher close by.
-
New setup looking for large yields
Xcrispi is right i had the same issue out of a 5 pack of dp blueberry...4 twisted and turned and looked awful then died only 1 survived and it had a high leaf to bud ration ...wont be gettting that again, at least not from there ....for sure...!!
-
New setup looking for large yields
Hydrohuts are built with a 600HPS in mind.
Stick with Power Plant for the whole thing if you want good yield, good flavor, and no issues with a strain that just decides it's going to be twitchy on ya. I'd avoid BB. Heard too much BS about it. I'll never grow the stuff.
From seed, start 30 and aim to flower 18 females in 3-5 gallon pots.
From clone (you'll save a good female for a mother... right? :D), flower 32 at 8" or so in 3 gallon pots.
You'll see why the different numbers later, lol.
Good luck.
-
New setup looking for large yields
I dont really understand waht your saying "Flower 32 at 8' or so in 3 gallon pots" ? I heard nothing but bad news about blueberry so im not gona go with it, gona try the powerplant feminized seeds. What do you suggest as far as my setup goes, i heard the hydrohut really isnt worth the money because you cant grow your plants as large as you would like. Should i build my own setup? How much light do you think im going to need to produce atleast a half pound a plant?
-
New setup looking for large yields
Do me ONE favor please before I give you any more advice...
Stop trying to get 'a half pound a plant' and so forth. Don't even ASK. It's not worth the explanation, and the question itself illustrates a lack of knowledge about how growing works.
A plant with a half pound yield is gonna be a MONSTER and take about a dog's age to veg. It's NOT efficient. Period. You've gone and wasted a lot of time and watts and ferts on growing lumber. If you have a limit on plant count, or simply enjoy caring for a very large 'pet' cannabis plant, fine, but you sound like a would-be cashcropper so any advice I give is in light of that.
Go by this formula:
0.5 grams per watt of HPS lighting in the flower room per month in flower.
Given 1200 watts in your flower room and a strain that takes 8 weeks to finish, you do the math as to what your yield goal should be.
The hydrohut is DEFINITELY worth the money for a few reasons. I personally know a few people who happily run them. You have the space to grow as large a plant as it is practical to grow indoors. A plant too tall for a HH is too tall to be grown under lights efficiently anyway...
When I say flower 32 clones at 8" (INCHES not feet) in 3 gallon pots, I am telling you how to make the most efficient use of that setup by going SOG under 1200 watts starting with female clones.
-
New setup looking for large yields
Quote:
Originally Posted by yiGity
I heard nothing but bad news about blueberry so im not gona go with it
Your loss. There is absolutely nothing wrong with BB, in fact, just the opposite is true. It's got wonderful flavor, it looks cool, it's a good yielder, it's fairly hearty, and it has over 20% THC. What the hell is not to like?
And try very carefully to comprehend each thing that stinky says. She will not steer you wrong.
-
New setup looking for large yields
Dude build your own hut with 2x4's and double-layer panda plastic. Frame in a D/H and an A/C and you don't even need all that other exhaust crap. Temp and Humidity dialed in, Sealed room for 300 bux (if you buy a used DH).
You will definitely need some DH action in that room if you're running hydro.. a fan is not going to get your humidity low enough at night in that setup. Price aside, you're better off with a sturdy 2x4 frame that you design yourself with everything in mind (and can screw add-ons into later). Saving $1000+ is just a bonus.
-
New setup looking for large yields
2200watts of hps!? thats enough to grow 20-30 plants, and is gonna fry 10 plants.
stick with the 600w ers, i doubt youll even need em both. prepare to use a huge fan to suck out the hot air
-
New setup looking for large yields
Quote:
Originally Posted by bud luv
Dude build your own hut with 2x4's and double-layer panda plastic. Frame in a D/H and an A/C and you don't even need all that other exhaust crap. Temp and Humidity dialed in, Sealed room for 300 bux (if you buy a used DH).
You will definitely need some DH action in that room if you're running hydro.. a fan is not going to get your humidity low enough at night in that setup. Price aside, you're better off with a sturdy 2x4 frame that you design yourself with everything in mind (and can screw add-ons into later). Saving $1000+ is just a bonus.
bud luv - Yeah thats what i was thinking i can just build my own setup to my own sizes and what not. Question on the D/H what does that stand for? A/C = air conditioning?
-
New setup looking for large yields
DH = Dehumidifier.
Without it your plants will be moldy. You must have one with hydro, there are no exceptions. :jointsmile:
-
New setup looking for large yields
Quote:
Originally Posted by klondike_bar
2200watts of hps!? thats enough to grow 20-30 plants, and is gonna fry 10 plants.
stick with the 600w ers, i doubt youll even need em both. prepare to use a huge fan to suck out the hot air
I don't think you understand how growing pot works, no offense.
The number of plants doesn't matter. It's the distance/heat from the light that matters. You could use 2200 watts to grow a fat ass tree if you wanted.
-
New setup looking for large yields
bud luv - thanks man tryin to get this shit figured out so i can set her up by new years.
-
New setup looking for large yields
-
New setup looking for large yields
This is a very archaic version of what I was talking about..
http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...ml#post1161472
You got all that open wood in there which means you can frame in an AC and a DH so they're half inside/half outside the room. Get a double stacked piece of panda to put over the front and tuck around the side with duct tape. Easy in, easy out, 100% lightproof. A lot of that thread is just me thinking out loud, I figured out that you don't need any of the sophisiticated exhaust stuff, just an AC and a DH and some fart fans going across the lights.
-
New setup looking for large yields
Nice nice appreciate it man. stay up!
-
New setup looking for large yields
Panda film is bomb. A DIY mock-hydrohut isn't hard to build. Try PVC pipe as a frame if you want to be able to break down with few tools. 2x4s are sturdier but lend themselves best to a semi-permanent structure. If you build with 2x4s, do yourself a favor and drill them to accept carriage bolts to join members. This will make it easy to take down with nothing but a socket wrench. Remember to corss-brace to add rigidity; a collapsing grow box is a NIGHTMARE lol!
-
New setup looking for large yields
The problem with PVC though is that it's not strong enough to frame in the AC or DH.
-
New setup looking for large yields
Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
You're supposed to have a reflector on your cool tube.
The cool tube comes with a built-in reflector, but they don't work very well.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bud luv
I don't think you understand how growing pot works, no offense.
The number of plants doesn't matter. It's the distance/heat from the light that matters. You could use 2200 watts to grow a fat ass tree if you wanted.
As a matter of fact, klondike_bar has never grown a single gram of smokable pot. But that doesn't stop him from spreading misinformation all over this forum.
PC :smokin:
-
New setup looking for large yields
Right, that's true. You'd have to go up to quite a large diameter to take that sort of weight.
-
New setup looking for large yields
Quote:
Originally Posted by PharmaCan
As a matter of fact, klondike_bar has never grown a single gram of smokable pot. But that doesn't stop him from spreading misinformation all over this forum.
PC :smokin:
:S2:
-
New setup looking for large yields
Quote:
Originally Posted by bud luv
DH = Dehumidifier.
Without it your plants will be moldy. You must have one with hydro, there are no exceptions. :jointsmile:
Well here I have to disagree. I've never used one. I'm pretty sure others don't use them. I would not buy one until I know I need one, and I would not put one in if I already had it, just because someone says I should. MJ likes 60 humidity. If anything I need a humidifier, since mine rarely goes above 30. If you get mold you need more ventilation, not necessarily a dehumidifier.
Like I've always said, I like to put a humidifier and a dehumidifier in a room and let them fight it out.
-
New setup looking for large yields
Quote:
Originally Posted by bud luv
I figured out that you don't need any of the sophisiticated exhaust stuff, just an AC and a DH and some fart fans going across the lights.
Wow, you figured that out? I wish I could figure out how to use 2200 watts of HID in a 4x4' space, without ventilation. Because an AC and DH damn sure aint going to do it. That is unless you are putting in one of those AC units that are rated to do about 4 rooms.
-
New setup looking for large yields
Quote:
Originally Posted by bud luv
The problem with PVC though is that it's not strong enough to frame in the AC or DH.
Not sure about this, you can build some pretty strong shit with PVC. You don't even have to glue it together, to aid in disassembly. But I guess it would take a bunch of vertical studs under an AC that does 4 rooms.
-
New setup looking for large yields
Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
Well here I have to disagree. I've never used one. I'm pretty sure others don't use them. I would not buy one until I know I need one, and I would not put one in if I already had it, just because someone says I should. MJ likes 60 humidity. If anything I need a humidifier, since mine rarely goes above 30. If you get mold you need more ventilation, not necessarily a dehumidifier.
Like I've always said, I like to put a humidifier and a dehumidifier in a room and let them fight it out.
I guess that has to do with geography. Around here your humidity will go to 90% with the lights out, and I've seen that in a variety of different rooms/setups.
-
New setup looking for large yields
Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
Wow, you figured that out? I wish I could figure out how to use 2200 watts of HID in a 4x4' space, without ventilation. Because an AC and DH damn sure aint going to do it. That is unless you are putting in one of those AC units that are rated to do about 4 rooms.
Didn't he say an 8x4 space? 2200 watts in a 4x4 space would probably be a different story (and overkill/inefficient).
a window AC unit and a DH framed in so that the exhaust goes outside of the gro-box does wonders. Don't knock it till u tried it. I bought an AC and a sophisticated exhaust setup, installed the AC, then realized air-cooling the hoods was frivilous... I returned 'em the next day... I run exactly 70-75 degrees, but it might be different in your climate/conditions.
-
New setup looking for large yields
Quote:
Originally Posted by bud luv
Didn't he say an 8x4 space? 2200 watts in a 4x4 space would probably be a different story (and overkill/inefficient).
a window AC unit and a DH framed in so that the exhaust goes outside of the gro-box does wonders. Don't knock it till u tried it. I bought an AC and a sophisticated exhaust setup, installed the AC, then realized air-cooling the hoods was frivilous... I returned the vortex'z the next day... I run exactly 70-75 degrees, but it might be different in your climate/conditions.
:rastasmoke:
-
New setup looking for large yields
Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
Not sure about this, you can build some pretty strong shit with PVC. You don't even have to glue it together, to aid in disassembly. But I guess it would take a bunch of vertical studs under an AC that does 4 rooms.
Possible? yes
Better than wood? Not for me.
Between an AC and a DH you have about 90 lbs of weight, and for best effectiveness they need to be elevated. I'm sure there is a way to support that much weight with PVC, but I don't see a good reason to risk one of those tubes cracking and a 50 lb D/H falling on the plants. Also I'd rather hang my lights from 2x4s than on relatively long horizontal PVC tubes (unless theyre the really thick/expensive tubes). As far as breaking it down quickly, it doesn't take that much time to unscrew 20-30 deck screws, which is all you need. I"ve broken those rooms down in a matter of a couple hours before. Also wood is much cheaper than the PVC that would be strong enough for all this. I mean there's no doubt that you could construct one of these rooms with PVC, but it would be expensive. Wood also has the nice benefit of being able to painlessly mount instruments on it and add onto it with the pull of my drill trigger.
But to each his own. :thumbsup:
-
New setup looking for large yields
If you want to support something like an a/c in a pvc frame, you can screw a piece of plywood to the pipe and mount the a/c in the plywood. It has to be a pretty sturdy pvc frame, though. 1 1/2" is probably the smallest you could use.
PC :smokin:
-
New setup looking for large yields
Quote:
Originally Posted by bud luv
Possible? yes
Better than wood? Not for me.
Between an AC and a DH you have about 90 lbs of weight, and for best effectiveness they need to be elevated. I'm sure there is a way to support that much weight with PVC, but I don't see a good reason to risk one of those tubes cracking and a 50 lb D/H falling on the plants. Also I'd rather hang my lights from 2x4s than on relatively long horizontal PVC tubes (unless theyre the really thick/expensive tubes). As far as breaking it down quickly, it doesn't take that much time to unscrew 20-30 deck screws, which is all you need. I"ve broken those rooms down in a matter of a couple hours before. Also wood is much cheaper than the PVC that would be strong enough for all this. I mean there's no doubt that you could construct one of these rooms with PVC, but it would be expensive. Wood also has the nice benefit of being able to painlessly mount instruments on it and add onto it with the pull of my drill trigger.
But to each his own. :thumbsup:
I build everything out of wood too, but then I have the tools and the expertise to do so. Building a wood frame is easy for some, impossible for others. Almost any idiot can piece together pvc.
PC :smokin:
-
New setup looking for large yields
Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
Well here I have to disagree. I've never used one. I'm pretty sure others don't use them. I would not buy one until I know I need one, and I would not put one in if I already had it, just because someone says I should. MJ likes 60 humidity. If anything I need a humidifier, since mine rarely goes above 30. If you get mold you need more ventilation, not necessarily a dehumidifier.
Like I've always said, I like to put a humidifier and a dehumidifier in a room and let them fight it out.
Also I was talking about in the context of hyrdo. If you have good ventilation in a soil garden I could see it possibly not being necessary. Again this might be a geography thing, 30% humidity in any context is unheard of around here.
-
New setup looking for large yields
Quote:
Originally Posted by PharmaCan
I build everything out of wood too, but then I have the tools and the expertise to do so. Building a wood frame is easy for some, impossible for others. Almost any idiot can piece together pvc.
PC :smokin:
True. I like playing with my wood. :giggity:
-
New setup looking for large yields
I too prefer wood, guys. I have a truckload of woodworking tools and equipment. Literally. I've got pressure treated 4x8's, and a pair of stained and lacquered oak dice that I CNC'd words into, and a lot of stuff in between. You guys that can imagine the workings of CNC woodworking tools, try to imagine how you can router words into a very small 6 sided object. I've worked with wood all my life and brought home a decent paycheck from it too. I've also built some things out of PVC that worked great and cannot be beat in terms of tear down. Not even close to wood. Just don't glue it together and it comes right apart. No screw gun needed, and no need to worry about if I charged the batteries, and whether I should wait for batteries to charge, or try to dig out my old corded drill. I also don't have to worry about if I should put the screws in my pocket and let them poke me constantly, or try to find some container to put them in, or try to remember what bin or bag I got them from, or whether I should sort them properly or just put them all together.
And I too was talking about hydro and 30% humidity. That's in my grow room, not my house.