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Last night my buddy bought a few grams of some nice bud and we were ripping a bubbler. After awhile my other buddy busted out a bong and we were going to smoke out of it but someone said it wasted weed so we didnt. I dont understand why it would, THC isnt water soluble so the water wouldnt affect it IMO but i was way to stoned to bring the issue up :jointsmile:
I can pack the sloppiest bong bowl and take silly hits on purpose and not waste as much smoke as a (single person hitting it) joint so i vote no, bongs arent wasteful
I think the whole "water takes THC out of the smoke thing" is a wives tale. If it was true, no one would use bongs. Maybe they meant it wastes weed because you are burning more of the bowl per hit in comparison with a pipe? But I don't believe in water taking any THC out.
The order from least wasting methods (according to NORML):
1. Joints
2. Pipes
3. Bong/Bubblers (as being the most wasting method, due some THC being lost in the water and sides of the chamber)
But for me it doesn't matter. It's really low amounts of THC I figure and it's all based on what you feel better smoking. So they all do the job.
Okay, do bongs waste weed?
No...
Have you ever smoked a bong?
They get you HIGH
Therefore, whatever thc is 'lost' is SO miniscule it's absurd to imply that bongs are ineffective and wasteful. I don't give a fuck what NORML says, I know what I say, I know what my bong says. Joints waste more then anything. They need more weed to make a joint... The joint is constantly burning, thus you are losing thc. Sideburns... A bong takes less weed so it's not as wasteful as a joint. Perhaps a pipe is more efficient then all, HOWEVER, it's harsh as hell and not worth it, you wouldn't get that much higher from a pipe then a bong. If you smoke 0.3 in a pipe and 0.3 in a bong, it's the same.
Here is a study on this topic by NORML:Quote:
Originally Posted by JstUseDaBong
MAPS/CaNORML vaporizer and waterpipe studies
NORML and MAPS procured the services of a high tech lab to measure the tar and THC content in water bong smoke as compared to regularly burning weed. Basically, with water filtration, you have to inhale more tar (plus burn more weed) to get the same amount of THC. Neither THC nor tar is water soluble, but both stick to water. In fact, THC and the sticky cannabinoids it resides in sticks to water even moreso then tar does. This study found bong water filters out 30% more THC then tar. In the end a water bong results in more tar inhaled per unit of THC you get from smoking. I know it is counter-intuitive because we only think of "bad" things sticking in the water, but that is what the study found.
I personally use a very long pipe (to allow the smoke to cool and make it less harsh) or a long bong with no water. I don't think people who use water bongs are stupid... I say do whatever floats your boat. I find I get higher faster with less weed from a pipe. Plus I like the taste of a pipe better, believe it or not. My secret is to use a nice long pipe and smoke it slow... keep the flame just off the weed so it turns brown and sort of "vaporizes". Then I mix the bowl around and repeat, "vaporizing" more of the weed. I get a bunch of "fresh" hits this way before I actually have to set the weed on fire. And in the end I get blasted. ;-)
Joints easily waste the most, Bongs? Only waste I see is if you get to good of a cherry going, and it slowly burns while your holding your hit.
well what that study forgot to account for in joints was the fact that they dont stop burning even if your not hitting it, and as long as its burning, thats weed that isnt going into your lungs....joints and blunts easily waste the most
I don't think bongs are a "waste" of weed. They have been proven to be "counter productive" apparently, which doesn't mean they are a waste of weed.
Hit a bong, get you stoned?
There is the answer... proof is in the pudding.
Well how am i to believe NORML research about bongs being "counter productive" if they missed the obvious that a joint is consistently burning and wasting weed but they say its the most "efficient" way to smoke...Quote:
Originally Posted by LaZ
All they said was that the smoke from a joint had a lower tar:THC ratio than the smoke from the bongs. It's up to you to decide if you'd rather deal with some side-stream smoke, or a higher tar:THC ratio.
Personally, I don't think it matters much. I chose joints because if they are well-rolled, the amount lost is minimal, and I don't like having big fat paraphernalia to deal with.
I say we start a "FUCK NORML" petetion haha
Just kidding. Well, not really..
you guys are missing the point. bongs get you high as shit, so you dont lose thc content. bongs do waste weed when you dont have much and are smoking in a group because an otherwise fat bowl out of a pipe that will go around 10-15 times will only go around maybe 6 out of a bong. i like bongs for only me or 2 ppl, or if i have alot of bud. but when im in a group or low on weed, its pipes. they make it stretch. bottom line is 8 hits from a pipe> 2 hits frm a bong. i think thats what the guys meant.
NOT AGAIN!!!:beatdeadhorse::chainsaw:
go look at the posts on this concerning the norml/maps study
i dont feel like making my point again
http://boards.cannabis.com/recreatio...-no-water.html
you were smoking a bubbler, but you were worried about using a bong...Quote:
Originally Posted by JstUseDaBong
:wtf::wtf::wtf:
Joints hands down waste the most, then blunts, then bongs, then bowls. Bongs and blunts will get you the highest just b/c they will hit the hardest b/c they make the biggest cherries.
vapes get u the highest, and they waste the least amount
Technically eating cannabis will get you the highest, for longest. Then vapes. I really should eat it more.
you dont always have to put water into it, ive done a bong without water and plus, i had a 20 bag and my mate took bits out of it, he took quite a bit out for the Joint and quite a bit out for the Bong, i took half of the bong weed and smoked it and was fucked, my mates smoked all of the joint weed and werent as stoned as i was.
Different tolerances maybe?, I doubt smoking a J with (more than 2 people I guess?) would get anyone higher than rippin a bong by themselves.
Corner the bong bowl like you should be doing anyway and you'll get at least triple the greens in my experience. Not only that but I've only ever smoked out of one pipe that was able to get me more high on a hit for hit comparison than a majority of bongs. One dub-bub a buddy has is the only non-bong I've seen that can match the smoke, clarity, and high of a glass-on-glass diffuser, bub-bowl, ice catching bong (double+ perc will increase the smoothness and amount of smoke you can inhale, thus getting you higher).Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
I don't care what studies were done where, look at the fucking air when you smoke a J, blunt, bong, pipe, etc... unless the bong/pipe's rolling hard and the next person either doesn't put it out for a second or hit it immediately, you'll see the most wasted smoke coming off a j or blunt because, like a cig, it's continuously burning.
with a bong you can start and stop the flame with a j you cant it keeps burning, and when you leave it in the air if theres wind around it actually makes the joint burn as if your toking it, i know that cos i was smoking one yesterday and it happened and then i was like 'quick smoke it before it all finishes'
one thing good about normal joints is that, it is quite fun as it gives you something to do and uses up time and you can just like commune with a jay in your hand with a bong its kwik hits and the weed is finished fast so you cant really chill out cos you get stoned so fast
Well, as counter-intuitive as it seems I can almost believe it. One thing to consider is the even though some of the joint burns away as you smoke it, you get the extra thc that resonates on the inside of the paper when your hitting it. Unlike on a pipe, where you'd have to scrape it off when it's old and nasty. Big glass on glass bowls usually hold at least a penners worth of weed..
Also I think the measurement of "how high" you are is totally subjective. All of our minds have the ability to produce a placebo effect, so maybe we just think we're getting higher when we're hitting big ass bongs?
Here is the thing, waste is a relative term. Some people mean waste as in, to have a good joint you have to have at least a gram, preferably 1.5-2 grams. To have a 4 hits from the bong, only requires say .5-.75. See 1 joint gets more than one person high, so you have to take that into account. The norml studies are just measuring which is the least wasteful in terms of how much thc is lost from one hit. So the thing is neither are a wasteful use of weed. They are both just different in there own ways. Now what your friend was saying is that he wants to conserve weed, and bongs use up a lot of weed at one time, and it is harder to control the hit going into your lungs. The bubbler on the other hand makes it very easy to control how fast and how much of the weed burns, you can still pack a full bowl but corner it, easy put it out, take hits when you want. I know you can do the exact same for a bong, but the thing is you are forced to take bigger hits and you may not even need the entire first hit to get high. My entire point is that waste weed is not an absolute term. It very a ton for different people. I like joints a lot(though not good at rolling them yet they are my favorite kind. So I can say I think all other forms of smoking are wasting weed but that is just not true.) I do think hat using a bowl/mini bubbler or the best way to make your stash last longer and get more people high though.
On a side note, this is the end all argument statement, the only way to in fact waste weed, is to not get it into your system in some form or fashion whether, its a bong, bowl, bubbler, joint, blunt, knife hit, vaporizer, steamroller, hookah, gravity bong, or just easting it.
uh wat about gravity bongs? those keep my weed going for a looong time, but not as fun as a bong unless u pack bowls for snappin
This thread again? Anyways, here's a quote from Marijuana and the Brain, Part II: The Tolerance Factor:
"Clinical studies indicate that only 10 to 20% of the available THC is transferred from a joint cigarette to the body. A pipe is better, allowing for 45% of the available THC to be consumed. A bong is a very efficient delivery system for marijuana; in ideal conditions the only THC lost is in the exhaled smoke."
So apparently there have been other studies that support the glorious bong.
i havent read any of the other post but heres my story... recently due to my brother being around and i dont wanna be a bad influence (hes suppose to be the good kid in the family) i didnt wanna carry a bong around hte house... so i started smoking joints and blunts occasionally a pipe... but now that hes gone again ive been doing some mean bong rips and thats when i noticed nothing gets me high like a bong... put some ice in there you can take even bigger rips...
so to me if losing a bit of thc in the water and the sides of the bong is a loss im willing to take just because its a better quality hit to me and just takes me to a different level
Anyone who thinks joints waste weed cant roll joints. My joints dont waste ANY weed - so why do yours?
cause not smokes a whole joint after 1 hit, and if u dont, you too are wastingQuote:
Originally Posted by LIP
hahaha... its all about smoking snaps out of a bong, thats atleast what we call it. a snap is a little piece of bud you pack in the bowl, you milk up (hit it slowly so smoke fills up) the chamber or chambers of your piece. i prefer glass on glass bongs because i like to take the down stem out and its just a cloud of smoke straight to your dome when you clear it. imo its not a waste but more of a conserver.... just snap it kidz
Who cares? puff a blunt, toke a bong, hit the pipe, it's alllllllllllll good. :stoned:
Speaking of bongs though, i hit a four footer today. It was amazing.
I own a bubbler and it has never not gotten me high when i've smoked out of it, so who cares if it wastes a lil Tetrahydracannibinols here and there. :thumbsup:
The most wasteful use of weed I have ever seen was my dad flushing it down the toilet. NOOOOO
or my dog eating it...but I guess she enjoyed it.
I agree with LIP. If you roll the correctly, most of the smoke is paper. And if you think a bong gets you the highest out of all smoking implements, you haven't smoked that long or live under a rock. A vape will floor you. Once I shotgunned a J and the world rippled around me as time slowed down upon inhalation. That's neither here nor there because degrees of high are opinionated. Oh, and most of the time, when I smoke out of a bong or pipe it's rollin' anyway, 'specially when I grind the buds. So unless you snuff the pipe after each hit every time, is it really that different? Nah.
That doesnt make sense... So how am i meant to reply?Quote:
Originally Posted by anomaly
Anyway, you're still wrong, if you knew how to roll you wouldnt waste any weed in a joint.
Joints as the least wasteful? i guess it depends how they researched it, but smoking them normally would prove to be the most wasteful - joint is consistently burning and you take a drag now and then.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaZ
I guess bongs have the risk of thc sticking to the chamber, and contaminants in the water, but have they considered THC absorption rate? im guessing this would be much higher for bongs.
Have they taken into account environmental factors? if you were in a tent smoking a joint, the absorption rate would be much higher because your breathing in the smoke multiple times.
I shit on NORML's research.
Why hasnt someone invented a special type of water for the bong that filters out more carcinogens than regular water? meh.
I'll take another whack at this dead horse. *WHACK!* Take THAT, stupid horse.
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Originally Posted by CheeseOnToast
Thats where knowing how to roll a joint comes in usefull.
When your not hitting a joint, it shouldnt be embering and smoking - it should be alight still, but hardly embering at all. Then when you toke, it all comes back and burns like normal.
Between hits, the end of the joint shouldnt be smoking and should hardly be embering. THAT is how to roll a joint, and THAT is why joints dont waste weed. That's also how to get a joint to burn for along long time.
I'm not the only person who can do this - i know of others that can on this site.
The point is, if your joints are always burning and smoking, you cant roll.
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Originally Posted by LIP
The only problem here is that teh average Joe Schmo simply cant or doesnt know how to roll a joint like yours or the others who can do the same. Most ppl end up rolling loosely and therefore burn their joints up quickly. So on average, joints end up wasting more weed, not because of the delivery of it, but because of human error