new, massive black hole found

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WASHINGTON (AFP) - US astronomers have discovered the biggest black hole orbiting a star 1.8 million light-years from Earth in the constellation Cassiopeia, with a record-setting mass of 24 to 33 times that of our Sun, NASA said Tuesday.

The massive newcomer beats the previous stellar-mass black hole discovered October 17 in the M33 galaxy that has 16 times the mass of our Sun, the US space agency said.

Like the much larger, supermassive black holes found at galaxy centers, stellar-mass black holes have such powerful gravity fields that not even light can escape them. Astronomers estimate their mass by measuring their gas emissions and the gravitational effect on the stars they orbit.

"We weren't expecting to find a stellar-mass black hole this massive," says Andrea Prestwich of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

Lead author of the discovery paper in the November 1 Astrophysical Journal Letters, Prestwich and his team found the new stellar-mass black hole using NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory.

"We now know that black holes that form from dying stars can be much larger than we had realized," he added.

Prestwich's team was able to measure the black hole's mass because it has an orbiting companion: a hot, highly evolved star. The star is ejecting gas in the form of a wind.

Some of this material spirals toward the black hole, heats up, and gives off powerful X-rays before crossing the point of no return.

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US astronomers spot massive, record-setting stellar-mass black hole - Yahoo! News

wow, things like that are cool. Space really amazes me, so many things that are going on we know nothing of or at most very little about.
If we have "black holes" of 'nothingness',... that leaves the door open for alot of things to be on the other side.

I read this a couple of weeks ago. I was so jazzed, I emailed a ton of people about it. Unfortunately, only Papi shared my enthusiasm. :(
My friends are shallow.

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Originally Posted by WeedyBoyWonder

wow, things like that are cool. Space really amazes me, so many things that are going on we know nothing of or at most very little about.
If we have "black holes" of 'nothingness',... that leaves the door open for alot of things to be on the other side.

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a few days ago i was blazed and looking through this book my friend had about all types of unexplainable things and i came across something called a 'white hole' , it said that they were the other end of black holes and there like a 'stellar fountian' that spews out matter and light the same way a black hole suck it in. space is trippy.

nice read man! thats some interesting shit.

That's a pretty cool discovery. I'm always amazed that they can figure out how big something like that is --- it's 1.8 million light years away and they can tell how massive it is from the X-rays from the gas it sucks up! That's amazing.

is this new news cause I herd of this a long time ago like at least 5 years ago, and some one was linking some hyrogliphics on some pyramid somewhere to it

I wonder if they are portals to other dimensions or planes of existence. If you were able to travel through a black hole (which for now is impossible) would you be able to time travel, maybe fold time/space like physicists theorize, where would you end up at..

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Originally Posted by Metaphor

a few days ago i was blazed and looking through this book my friend had about all types of unexplainable things and i came across something called a 'white hole' , it said that they were the other end of black holes and there like a 'stellar fountian' that spews out matter and light the same way a black hole suck it in. space is trippy.

nice read man! thats some interesting shit.

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One of Hawking's earlier theories involved the "destruction" of matter/data through black holes until he realized the answer was that the singularity opened up somewhere else and expelled matter/data there, like a parallel universe. What's really crazy is that Hawking's mission has essentially been to 'solve' black holes, and he does *so much* in his head..

If only we could get there...not that we would really want to be anywhere near a black hole but still, what a sight it would be...

ok black holes suck in everything right? is it possiblle... but that stuff just can't disappear just because they hit a black hole... suriving it may be a diffrent story, but they would enter it....

so now to my question... wht's there?if this article is right, then it would be an imaginable light source just spouting out... but assuming they did live... what do you tink they'd find?

here's an idea i just came up with: ever hear that the universe is contstantly growing bigger like at rapid rates? well i read that this is true. maybe these black holes give power to expanding the universealmost as if the universe is recyling itself and cleaning itself up an refocusing power.

it makes me sick how very little we kno. i wish a smarter alien race would come to earth in peace and share knowledge

I'd go in that black hole if I was in a barrel with some pillows and shit to make it nice and cushioned..I might need an air tank or 2 also..

yeah screw the lady who went down niagra falls in the barrel. you went through a fuckin' black whole in a barrel!

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Originally Posted by Number 1 DJ

i wish a smarter alien race would come to earth in peace and share knowledge

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Aliens do not come in peace to share their knowledge --- they only come to dine upon our succulent flesh. And to do anal probes. For some reason aliens have a thing for anal probes.

If you like the black hole story, you might like this.
Dead Stars Collide, Explode:

SPACE.com -- Dead Stars Collide, Explode

A massive explosion in the deep reaches of space stemmed not from one dying star, as is typical, but from two dead ones that collided as the climax of a long orbital dance, new research shows.

Two white dwarf stars slowly spiraled into each other to touch off a supernova explosion called SN 2006gz and discovered last year in a spiral galaxy some 300 million light-years from Earth, said the study's lead author Malcolm Hicken.

"This finding shows that nature maybe richer than we suspected, with more than one way to make a white dwarf explode," said Hicken, a graduate student at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.

The research is detailed in the Nov. 1 issue of the Astrophysical Journal Letters.

A white dwarf is the remains of a star with too little mass on its own to end its stellar life as a supernova, the cataclysmic explosions that redistribute material back into space. The Sun, as well as stars with up to eight times its mass, will ultimately end up as white dwarfs.

Astronomers split supernovas into two categories: the explosion of a young, massive star whose core collapses, or the cataclysmic result of a white dwarf star siphoning gas from a stellar companion until it, too, blows itself apart.

Originally, astronomers thought that supernova SN 2006gz was just another example of a white dwarf stealing material from a partner star. But a closer look revealed signs of extra carbon and silicon, hallmarks of a smash-up between two white dwarf stars.

SN 2006gz was also brighter than researchers expected, suggesting that its origins included more material than the 1.4 solar mass upper limit of a single white dwarf star.

The observations offer new evidence for what until now has been only a theoretical way for supernovas to form. Since single white dwarf-spawned supernovas, also known as Type 1a explosions, are used as a standard for judging cosmic distances, separating them from those caused by two-white dwarf collisions will be critical for future research, Hicken said.

"[W]e have to be careful not to mistake a double white-dwarf explosion for a single white-dwarf blast," he added. "SN 2006gz was easy to recognize, but there may be less clear-cut cases."

I only got one thing to say to that! BEAM ME UP SCOTTIE!

What the hell is left when two dead stars crash into eachother? There's a huge supernova explosion, but what is left? Black hole? Nuetron star? White dwarf? Little pile of ash like some kind of cosmic cashed bowl?

I was watch some speacial on tv a while back on black holes, they actully suck stuff in and when the stuff gets so close its traveling at huge speeds thats why there black because its traveling faster than light. Also theres a theroy that there is 11 deferent universes that tie in with the big bang theroy which happens to coinside with the theory with evolution which also contradicts religion, god damn it. Sometimes I get so pissed having such a small brain.

for everyone who likes this kind of stuff, watch Sliders! It explores what it would be like if we did cross the Einstein Podolsky bridge (parrallel earths). I was interested in this kinda stuff for a while, so look on wiki about quantum physics, complicated, but still very interesting none the less

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Some of this material spirals toward the black hole, heats up, and gives off powerful X-rays before crossing the point of no return.

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So is this how the Chandra X-Ray observatory works, by locating such rays? Man, you read something like that and it really hits home how intelligent people can be, and all the great things we are then capable of. Yet people all over the world live in fear, and we as humans have so many hurdles ahead of us, you wonder if your children's children will ever live on to carry your name. After reading an article like this, it really does make me think about how intelligent we are, with seemingly infinate potential, as a species. So, where do we start?
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Holy crap thinking about outer space and matter when I'm high is intense. :thumbsup:

space bugs me the fuck out

Maybe the universe is just a reversible jacket and black holes are portals to the plaid side of the jacket we hope to never have to show.

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Originally Posted by TresLeches

Maybe the universe is just a reversible jacket and black holes are portals to the plaid side of the jacket we hope to never have to show.

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Haha! Good one. "Help! I'm being sucked into the plaid!"

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Originally Posted by geonagual

I'd go in that black hole if I was in a barrel with some pillows and shit to make it nice and cushioned..I might need an air tank or 2 also..

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It would be fun for awhile. Until you get stretched lengthwise until your torn apart by the massive amount of gravity. Imagine your body mass crushed down to the size of a pinhead... or smaller.

I did some research, the term is called spaghettification


An object in any very strong gravitational field feels a tidal force stretching it in the direction of the object generating the gravitational field. This is because the inverse square law causes nearer parts of the stretched object to feel a stronger attraction than farther parts. Near black holes, the tidal force is expected to be strong enough to deform any object falling into it, even atoms or composite nucleons; this is called spaghettification.

The strength of the tidal force depends on how gravitational attraction changes with distance, rather than on the absolute force being felt. This means that small black holes cause spaghettification while infalling objects are still outside their event horizons, whereas objects falling into large, supermassive black holes may not be deformed or otherwise feel excessively large forces before passing the event horizon.

So, are you saying it isn't actually practical to go through a black hole in a barrel? Shit! What am I going to do with this damn barrel?

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

What the hell is left when two dead stars crash into eachother? There's a huge supernova explosion, but what is left? Black hole? Nuetron star? White dwarf? Little pile of ash like some kind of cosmic cashed bowl?

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What's left is the cosmic dust that makes up nebulas (or should that be nebuli? I'm not sure) anyway, new stars form from this "dust" and the cycle begins anew.
It's a touch more complicated than that but basicly there ya go.:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Trip06

I was watch some speacial on tv a while back on black holes, they actully suck stuff in and when the stuff gets so close its traveling at huge speeds thats why there black because its traveling faster than light. Also theres a theroy that there is 11 deferent universes that tie in with the big bang theroy which happens to coinside with the theory with evolution which also contradicts religion, god damn it. Sometimes I get so pissed having such a small brain.

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This is M Theroy and it has turned up some answers to equasions that are very acurate on a stellar level. Gravity break throughs have been made because of this new M Theory, and M Theory has been around less than 5 years. very exciting stuff

M-theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

heres a cool show on M Theory, but be warned it does not have the end, but everything on there is very informative even if your not a physicist

YouTube - M-Theory # 1

YouTube - M-Theory # 2

YouTube - M-Theory # 3

YouTube - M-Theory # 4

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So, are you saying it isn't actually practical to go through a black hole in a barrel? Shit! What am I going to do with this damn barrel?

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That's right, the gravity would actually kill you before you reach the event-horizon (the point where nothing excapes).

Another interesting thing about black holes is that if you were to watch someone jump into a black hole as they got closer to the event horizon they would appear to slow down and never cross the horizon(they eventually would but not in your lifetime). The reason is that the light coming from your friend would be slowed down by the gravity and eventually be not allowed to reach you sitting safely at a distance.

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That's right, the gravity would actually kill you before you reach the event-horizon (the point where nothing excapes).

Another interesting thing about black holes is that if you were to watch someone jump into a black hole as they got closer to the event horizon they would appear to slow down and never cross the horizon(they eventually would but not in your lifetime). The reason is that the light coming from your friend would be slowed down by the gravity and eventually be not allowed to reach you sitting safely at a distance.

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so we need a gravity proof space ship :D :D lmao

then we can go to other universies where thye have even stronger and more mentally dangerous skunk for us all to smoke and it would be legal :D


at least until america got there :thumbsup::jointsmile:

My ex-wife use to have one of those and I didn't have to leave the galaxy to see it.:D

Was'nt this some kind of Lindsey Lohan joke?